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Scott and Janet Wolter Accuse Academics of Stockholm Syndrome, Say Disney Movies Are Goddess Allegories

6/29/2016

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Mexican authorities are investigating after a group of self-described Jehovah’s Witnesses toppled ancient altars and broke stone carvings in Mayonihka sacred to the Otomi Indians.  While Jehovah’s Witnesses leadership denies that the vandals belonged to their faith, the vandals allegedly confessed that they had damaged the altars because God forbade idol worship.
Earlier this week our favorite conspiracy theorists, Scott and Janet Wolter, appeared on The Secret Teachings radio show to discuss—what else?—the Kensington Rune Stone, which is for them a monomaniacal obsession akin to Ahab’s quest for the white whale. They then went on to rehash material from America Unearthed and to summarize the book Janet published last year with Alan Butler.
 
I must confess that I cannot quite understand the purpose of rehashing the same material over and over again across every fringe radio show. Surely, after more than five years of media appearances across every conceivable fringe podcast, radio show, and cable program, Wolter’s fan base is now familiar with the outlines of his superhero origin story. In many cases, he tells the same story on the same radio show more than once. It’s boring, honestly, if you listen to more than one of these appearances.
 
In the first part of the Wolters’ two-hour appearance Sunday night, Scott Wolter rehearsed his Kensington Rune Stone origin story and his paranoia that “academics” are conspiring to use a three-pronged attack against him: attacking his competence, attacking his lack of academic engagement, and attacking his personality. He then alleges—falsely, so far as I know—that his research has appeared in “peer-reviewed journals” that he declines to name. “If your precious peer review in academic journals is so wonderful, how did they get it so wrong in the first place that we have to come in and clean up the mess?” he asks, referring to his belief that he has correctly dated the Kensington Rune Stone. “You end up with circular arguments with these people. […] They won’t accept anything unless it supports the opinion they want to believe.” The show’s host calls it “psychological Stockholm syndrome” whereby academia can’t see beyond their own paradigms. “I kind of like the analogy of Stockholm syndrome,” Wolter said. “I think I’m going to use that.”
 
Janet Wolter chimes in and says that after writing her book accusing the Grange of masterminding a plot to dominate the world in pursuit of goddess worship, she and Scott Wolter have joined their local Grange and are having a lot of fun with “like-minded individuals.” Scott said that he most enjoys the fact that the Grange empowers women, unlike the Masonic Lodge which he had joined last year. Scott says that despite being an active member of the Grange and Masonry, he remains an “objective observer” of these two groups and what he has previously identified as their secret plots to rule the world.
 
Scott Wolter believes that Masonry has helped him to achieve esoteric knowledge that he would not otherwise have learned, while Janet Wolter says that the Grange helps to improve family life. I don’t think that there is much doubt that the two cannot separate themselves from their “research” and therefore have an emotional connection to these groups’ ideals that they are raising to the level of world-historical. In other words, they want to believe because these groups happen to align, to a greater or lesser degree, with their own hippy-dippy feminist liberalism. “If you understand the principles of Freemasonry,” Scott Wolter says, “these are the people you’d want making decisions.” He adds that more Freemasons should be put in government to break gridlock, and the says that Donald Trump would never have been a candidate if Freemasons had more power in the Republican Party.
 
Following this, Janet Wolter gives a summary of many of her claims about Washington, D.C. and the sexual symbolism she believes occurs in and around the Washington Monument. The two Wolters explain that they believe that the shadows cast by various monuments are permeated with symbolism pointing toward the future direction of America, and they add that the two of them and British fringe writer Alan Butler have not found all of the secret “shadow play” yet.
 
Janet Wolter says that there is a secret shadow alignment to Constitution Day, a September 17 holiday created in 2004. According to her, the Founding Fathers signed the Constitution on that day in 1787 in honor of the Eleusinian Mysteries of Demeter because “that week” is the time that the Mysteries were celebrated in Greece. This is debatable. The Lesser Mysteries were celebrated in the late winter or early spring, while the Greater Mysteries occurred on the 14th or 15th of the Attic month of Boedromion. Since that month stretched from mid-September to mid-October, this would put the festival closer to October 1. Thus, there is nothing to suggest a connection to the signing of the Constitution in 1787 or the creation of Constitution Day in 2004.
 
Scott Wolter then, unprompted, brings up Pirate Treasure of the Knights Templar in order to grouse about those who complained that the show described him as a “historian.” “What is a historian?” Wolter asks. “Someone who reads about history, right, about certain places? If you’re fortunate enough to go to those places and immerse yourself in the history and see it, read about it—what else do you do?” I mean, seriously? Wolter doesn’t know what historians do? Has he no familiarity with historiography, archival research, critical analysis of sources? Of course not. It’s just reading books and repeating what you’ve read. No wonder he thinks it’s so easy.
 
Scott Wolter reviews some of the “investigations” he did on America Unearthed, including the New York City obelisks and the Tucson Lead Artifacts, and talks more about the making of that show, apparently because his entire fringe history career has collapsed into an endless recycling of that 2012-2015 series. At some point in the near future his audience will have forgotten about the show, and he won’t be able to make hay out of revisiting the series over and over again. At any rate, Wolter has learned nothing since he “investigated” the Tucson Lead Artifacts. He maintains that they are genuinely medieval, and he now asserts that the artifacts contain both Masonic and “Venus Family” symbolism—allegedly around a thousand years before the founding of Freemasonry. He further disputes that the artifact depicting what seems to be a diplodocus could be a fake showing a dinosaur because the image had forked tongue and dinosaurs did not have forked tongues. Proving he has learned nothing, he remains ignorant of the fact I pointed out years ago that at the time the artifacts were hoaxed popular depictions of dinosaurs sometimes showed forked tongues.
 
Wolter adds that he has learned from the Masons that the Bible is full of Masonic symbolism and allegory. For some reason they end up talking about Star Trek and celebrating the show’s progressive racial and sexual politics, which he calls “beautiful.” Wolter says that Star Trek is a Masonic allegory, and that Disney films, too, are Masonic. Janet Wolter claims that Disney princesses are really Masonic goddesses, and the two Wolters and the host claim that Cinderella is really a retelling of Isis and Osiris. This isn’t a standard interpretation, but can be found in extreme feminist tracts and in fringe history, where pretty much every female character is made into either Isis or Mary Magdalene, who are identified with each other as well. Mainstream scholars believe that the folktale’s earliest known version is the story of Rhodopis, a Greek slave-girl who marries the king of Egypt after he went searching for the owner of a particular shoe, a story first recorded by Strabo (17.33) in the first century BCE, and repeated in Aelian’s Various Histories (13.33) in the third century CE. Because Rhodopius was a courtesan—i.e., a whore—I imagine there is a tendency for fringe types to identify her with the Magdalene, traditionally labeled a whore, and thus with Isis, whom feminist writers have tried to equate with the Magdalene due to the belief that the Magdalene represents some sort of ancient goddess figure.
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Jubal
6/29/2016 10:51:42 am

>>>“If you understand the principles of Freemasonry,” Scott Wolter says, “these are the people you’d want making decisions.”<<<

George Washington on 18 September 1793 laying the cornerstone of the United States Capitol building, the home of the legislative branch of American government.

http://www.buscasescuela.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/18-Piedra-capitolio-portal.jpg

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Jubal
6/29/2016 11:51:35 am

The George Washington Masonic National Memorial
http://www.gwmemorial.org/

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Joe Scales
6/29/2016 11:23:38 am

Wolter continues to rehash and refine his KRS nonsense, polluting alternative media so as to make him appear as a leading expert on this slab hoax. That he can claim peer review and bash it at the same time doesn't bode well for his credibility. It is certainly a lie, as he sees fit to define "peer review" as joining a club to publish his dribble in what are basically their newsletters. He lies about it being all about "soft science" when it is a fact that his work has never been published in hard, scientific geological journals, with double-blind review and editors well qualified within the field of science. He doesn't do this because his "hard science" is riddled with error, approximations and confirmation bias.

My challenge to Wolter would be to come up with one geologist with a PhD in geology, with whom he has had no working or personal relationship, who can attest to Wolter's methodology for his "archaeopetography" in regard to his KRS work, verify his findings and replicate them independently; in writing and in proper form. Just one.

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Uncle Ron
6/29/2016 05:07:02 pm

". . . one geologist with a PhD in geology . . ." But Joe, anyone with a PhD is part of academia and ipso facto disqualified from understanding Wolter's work. They all have "psychological Stockholm syndrome." :-) (Proving that Stockholm syndrome is just one more thing Wolter does not understand.)

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Mike Morgan
6/30/2016 07:02:09 pm

Joe,

I know you are very, VERY, familiar with all the requirements, or as termed by another poster, "rules of engagement", SW set forth for making his detailed work available to others. Although your challenge is for a geologist with a PhD, you may recall that SW has accepted and approved a request by a MS geologist to examine the KRS and his work on it. This may be the closest we will come to an independent "peer review"

Conversations under:
Tuesday, December 8, 2015
New Hooked X's and Ancient Runes Found in Old Icelandic Manuscripts
@ http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2015/12/new-hooked-xs-and-ancient-runes-found.html

John Parks January 24, 2016 at 11:17 AM
I find the discussion concerning the evidence both for and against pre-Columbian exploration of the Americas by other cultures most interesting. The open exchange of not only ideas, but the process of debating the pros and cons of the physical evidence to be intellectually thought-provoking.

From viewing the ‘America Unearthed’ series, it appears that you attempt to uncover a different viewpoint or understanding of the relics for the general viewer. I speculate that you have done additional research that is not shown in the series to help establish the authenticity / or not of the relics concerned - given the constraints of the series (e.g., your KRS research resulting in your 3 publications). That said, from reading through some of the postings on this blog, it appears that one of the critiques of the work on the artifacts is that additional, independent work may be needed to either collaborate or refute the view as to the authenticity of the artifacts. Essentially a ‘cold-eyes’ or ‘peer-review’ approach. You have mentioned in this blog that your work has been peer-reviewed. But, even this statement seems to be generate controversy.

There is much disagreement regarding many of these artifacts; the KRS, Waubansee, Narragansett & Spirit Pond stones and others you have evaluated. While it is important to consider various theories as to origin of these features, it is just as important to address the process of investigation - what can be called the ‘scientific method’ in the examination of these artifacts.

Accumulating several viewpoints, based on the evidence, separating out the most likely from the least likely concerning these pieces, in a peer-review format is an established format. Discussing the critical elements associated with resolving the origin of these items (if possible).

It is for that purpose (peer-review) that I offer any expertise that I may have in this process of investigating these artifacts.

A little background about myself would be in order at this time. I, like you, am a geologist and scientist. I received a MS Degree in Geology from the University of North Carolina – Chapel Hill, where I worked at the McCarthy Seismology Lab as a Research Assistant. Additionally, much of my graduate work was also spent in structural geology and igneous & metamorphic petrography. I studied at the Duke University Marine Geophysical Lab where I did my research for my thesis. Additionally, I taught for 3 years at Austin Peay State University as an instructor of Geology. I did field research on aspects of geomorphology (co-authored several publications). My undergraduate degree was in Art with majors in Art History & Painting. I am in my 36th year at ExxonMobil. I have taught classes in advanced stratigraphic concepts. I am presently a Geophysical Advisor in the West Africa Division of ExxonMobil’s Exploration Company, focusing upon strategic evaluation of West Africa oil & gas opportunities.

I look forward to you response

Scott Wolter January 25, 2016 at 9:29 AM
John,

First, I appreciate your thoughtful posting and offer of your expertise. It appears you have sufficient geological qualifications and I’m especially impressed with your experience in igneous and metamorphic petrology. This is a must when considering various geological aspects of the Kensington Rune Stone and other stone artifacts.

Are you interested in offering your expertise to review the work on the Kensington Rune Stone? If so, it would likely necessitate a trip to Minnesota. Would this be an issue for you?

John Parks January 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM
Scott,

Yes, I would be interested in meeting in Minnesota to have the opportunity to examine the KRS and discuss the physical evidence that you and others may have compiled on the Rune Stone. Reading reports that have been written or viewing photographs that other investigators have taken is important and can’t be overlooked or diminished, but only by conducting an independent inspection of the weathering characteristics of the original stone and the appearance of the inscriptions that are there, will I be able to assess the potential authenticity of the KRS – but, of course this will only be from a geologic standpoint, and not from any linguistic

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Mike Morgan
6/30/2016 07:06:54 pm

(comment cut off for length) con't.

view (since that is not my field of expertise).

I hope the we will be able to discuss this further and arrange a mutually agreeable date to meet.

Demands at work are currently keeping me from coming to Minnesota until later in the spring.

Regards,
John

Scott Wolter January 27, 2016 at 2:06 PM
John,

I appreciate your sincere interest in researching the KRS and the scientific work that I and others have done. Why don't you contact me privately so we can discuss things in more detail: swolter@amengtest.com

I'll let the readers of this blog know what comes of this promising inquiry.

SW also stated this in response to poster commenting about his restrictive "rules of engagement":

Scott Wolter January 30, 2016 at 4:37 PM
<snip>
John Parks has stepped up, listed his qualifications and has convinced me he is a qualified geologist who as part of the peer review process had agreed to travel to Minnesota to examining the artifact and related materials personally. This demonstrates to me that he is serious about this endeavor.
<snip>

That was the last we heard about this until I posted a request for an updated and he responded:

Me 6/30/2016
Scott,

It has now been 6 months since this offer and acceptance for Mr. Parks to examine/research the KRS and your work pertaining to it. I have not found any update about this endeavor on this or more recent blogs. Could you please give us an update concerning this?

Scott Wolter June 30, 2016 at 10:57 AM

Mike,

Mr. Parks was in the process of moving from Texas to Wisconsin this spring and said he'd contact me to follow through. I'll send him a note and see where he's at.

The possibility still exists.

Joe Scales
7/1/2016 11:07:14 am

John Parks basically called Wolter's bluff in this regard. There's no way Wolter is going to let an independent geologist review his work. Period.

Even before Harold Edwards confirmed from the inside that Wolter's scientific methodology was suspect, geologists had been picking apart Wolter's "hard science" on usenet from the get go. Sloppy work. Misquoting conclusions of others. Confusing terminology. Television producers don't care about things like that however. It's all in how you look. Wolter is a poseur. Dumb as a rock.

Harold Edwards
7/1/2016 01:53:09 pm

I think there are several things people should be aware of when evaluating Mr. Wolter’s work. First, when I tell lay people that I am a geologist about half think I am an archaeologist and begin to ask me questions about the pyramids of Egypt or some Native American excavation site. I have to correct them and tell them that geology is the study of the earth and its materials--rocks and minerals. Therefore many people when they hear Mr. Wolter’s claim of being a Professional Geologist or a forensic geologist think he is a Professional Archaeologist or forensic archaeologist. He takes advantage of these misconceptions.

Second, the investigation of lithic artifacts is part of the profession of archaeology not geology. Certainly archaeologists use the methods of geologists in this work, but they bring to the table other specialized training. Geologist who want to investigate these artifacts need to work with archaeologists and get some of this training for themselves. Mr. Wolter has not done that. He has no formal education in archaeology, history, or linguistics.

Third, Mr. Wolter’s geology is on crude level. He does mostly hand specimen identification of the rocks and minerals at a skill level one acquires from the first, beginning course in geology. He then peppers his work with technobabble and geobabble to befuddle lay people. A good example of this can be seen in his Bat Creek Stone study. It is short and easily available here:

http://www.ampetrographic.com/files/BatCreekStone.pdf

About half this work is a document analysis of which as stated above Mr. Wolter has no formal training. The other half is a physical examination of the artifact. Turn to page 21, the last page, his references. There are none on lithic artifact analysis, ironstone, minerals claimed to be in the artifact, methods of physical analysis, scanning electron microscopy, or tool mark analysis. All these areas have a vast literature, numbering in the thousands of papers. He cited none of it. Did he invent everything himself? Turn to page 20 and note the signature of Richard Stehly, P.E., MN License No. 12856. Mr. Stehly was a Professional Engineer and an expert in concrete. He had even less qualifications to examine this artifact than Mr. Wolter. Furthermore, the Minnesota ethics rule of the licensing board requires that when he affixed his name and license to the work he had to have performed the work or supervised it. He obviously did not do the work. Wolter did. Did he supervise it? How? Maybe he just needed a payday and put his name on the report to inflate the prestige of its result and to split fees. Ask the Eastern Band of Cherokee for a copy of the bill. All of this is moot since Stely died about four months later. There are typographical errors in the report. For instance Wolter claimed his figure 21 on page 17 is from page 392 of an earlier publication by the Smithsonian. It is on page 394. A small point, but something an editor or one of the referees might flag in a peer reviewed technical publication. Wolter failed to tell how he identified the so-called ironstone. Already in the late 19th Century there are composite and ceramic materials that mimic natural stone. He needed to eliminate these. If he used a received identification from an earlier source he needed to cite it. He did not. Wolter did not explain who ran the electron microscope. Usually there are highly trained individuals in charge of this equipment. Often they have advanced degrees including Ph.D.’s themselves. Finally, Wolter’s tool marks did not establish relative age of the tool marks. Different tools could easily create different marks. It was prior photography from 1891 and 1971 that gave the relative age of these marks. Garbage in, garbage out.

spookyparadigm
6/29/2016 11:25:57 am

Given that he's lost his tv show, and his trajectory, at some point one would start to see Wolter less like von Daniken, and more like Earnest and Ruth Norman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unarius_Academy_of_Science

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Only Me
6/29/2016 11:39:45 am

It appears apophenia runs rampant in the heads of the Wolter household. It almost...almost...makes me wonder what conversations around the dinner table are like. Do they align themselves as Team Goddess and Team Masonry, depending on how much their ideas agree/overlap?

Since Wolter clearly isn't going to learn much about marketing from Pulitzer, I wonder how much longer he can ride the KRS/AE train.

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Kathleen
6/29/2016 01:26:30 pm

I was wondering about Mrs. Wolter. When SW joined forces with JHP I almost expected her to switch to her maiden name to protect her brand name. I see that they have figured out a way to blend their theories, it makes for a happy home. I am curious if AB and JHP will jump on the bandwagon. I think too many cooks will spoil the fringe broth, though. I look forward to what they whip up.

I think Teams will depend on how much wine was served with dinner.

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Joe Scales
6/29/2016 03:07:05 pm

If I had to guess, I'd suspect Mrs. Wolter is the manipulator of her vain, dense poseur of a husband. At mealtime, he goes on about his farfetched, idiotic skew of history and she just smiles... "yes dear, aren't you brilliant..."

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Clete
6/29/2016 12:31:14 pm

Based on the writing of John Adams, the declaration of Independence was signed on the Second of July, and then not by all the members, in some cases until weeks and months later. It took a couple of days for printed copies to be to be prepared and distributed. That is the reason the fourth of July is independence day, instead of the second. Neither dates therefore are in line with anything from the stars or ancient history.

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Causticacrostic
6/30/2016 09:36:31 am

Well, it's Constitution Day, not Declaration of Independence Day (otherwise known as the Fourth of July). September 17, 1787 is when the Constitutional Convention ended, but it wasn't ratified until May 29th of 1790. But your main point is correct.

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Clete
6/30/2016 07:46:48 pm

I fail to see you point. The fourth of July is celebrated across the country. Constitution day is basically ignored and Alan Butler and Janet Wolter were babbling on about Independence day.

Shane Sullivan
6/29/2016 12:55:09 pm

"While Jehovah’s Witnesses leadership denies that the vandals belonged to their faith, the vandals allegedly confessed that they had damaged the altars because God forbade idol worship"

You'd think the mighty God of Abraham, if he really wanted to put an end to idol worship, would just smash the altars Himself.

"[Wolter] further disputes that the artifact depicting what seems to be a diplodocus could be a fake showing a dinosaur because the image had forked tongue and dinosaurs did not have forked tongues."

I... wow, so because the artifact showed a feature that dinosaurs *didn't* have, that means it *wasn't* faked? That's some solid logic, right there.

"Wolter says that Star Trek is a Masonic allegory, and that Disney films, too, are Masonic."

Even if this were true, if their goal is to make the Masons look good, I'd keep my mouth shut about this. Song of the South is not something you'd hope to see associated with a progressive-mind organization.

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Jubal
6/29/2016 01:01:00 pm

>>>God of Abraham, if he really wanted to put an end to idol worship, would just smash the altars Himself.<<<

Or send his Son to do it.

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Eric Plumrose
6/29/2016 02:26:01 pm

It does seem curiously uncharacteristic, though. If true, perhaps some of their number being recent converts was a factor?

Harold Edwards
6/29/2016 02:03:11 pm

Mr. Wolter claims his that his work on the Kensington Runestone is his crowning achievement as a forensic geologist. About two weeks ago I obtained a copy of his scanning electron microscopy images and spectra from both the artifact and the slate tombstones from Maine. These tell a different story. I believe that a disk with these can be obtained from the Minnesota Historical Society. I invite others to get it and have a look.

On pages 38 to 46 in “The Kensington Rune Stone: Compelling New Evidence” (2006) Wolter publishes his study of the slate tombstones. He claims that he analyzed the tombstone for an Abner Lowell who died in 1815. From online genealogies it appears Abner Lowell died in 1858. These can be unreliable but the history of Kennebec County, Maine which contains the cemetery at Hallowell has him a prominent shipbuilder active from 1816-1825. Who knows the who, when, and where the samples attributed to Abner Lowell came from? Mr. Wolter’s work goes down hill from here.

He uses electron microscopy photos to compare the artifact with the Maine slates. He has a polarized light microsopy petrography of the KRS but not any of the slates. He has a qualitative x-ray spectra of the fresh surface of the so-called Lowell tombstone but give no others: not a weathered slate, nor a fresh KRS, nor a weathered KRS. Why? Did he not have them? No, he had some of them but did not use them. His spectra on page 41 purports to be for biotite. He has a weathered spectra is virtually identical that he does not publish. Biotite loses potassium (symbolized by a “K”) when it weathers and typically alters to clay minerals like vermiculite. Therefore the weathered spectra should show greatly reduced or no potassium. The fact that the weathered spectra has about the same amount of potassium indicates that biotite is not present in Wolter’s tombstone. This is consistent with published analyses of Maine slates which typically show little or no biotite. Mr. Wolter has submitted sloppy rock and mineral identification work and has suppressed data that contradicts his published data on the Maine slates.

Mr. Wolter only has a spectra for the weathered surface of the KRS. It shows a small amount of potassium, but there is no spectra for a fresh surface to compare it with. On page 38 Mr. Wolter presents an electron microscope picture of what he calls the KRS Puck Glacial surface which he claims has “experienced at least twelve thousand years of weathering.” In one of the unpublished electron microscope pictures of this same surface is a beautiful euhedral crystal showing sharp and distinct crystal faces. This could not have survived more than a dozen or so years of weathering let alone “twelve thousand years.” Even worse, it appears to be a perfect pyritohedron, a crystal form characteristic of pyrite and few other minerals. If pyrite, it belies all of Mr. Wolter’s comparison with the KRS and the AVM Stone on pages 26-28. Pyrite in the KRS’s twelve thousand year old surface is in better shape than that in the after twenty years!

Everything Mr. Wolter writes is gibberish. Mr. Wolter’s ability to do geology is that of a blind man trying to identify butterflies.

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Harold Edwards
7/2/2016 04:27:53 pm

As I said, Mr. Wolter mislabeled the decedent and/or death date for Abner Lowell. It in fact did go downhill! Wolter in his latest blog posting posts a picture of a broken monument and admits that he lied: “This broken tombstone in Maine was one of the important monuments sampled and examined for the relative-age dating work I performed on the Kensington Rune Stone. Recently, a debunker inferred that I fabricated the 1815 death date of the individual marked by this monument. It clearly states the infant son of Abner and Hannah Lowell died that year. Since the name of the decedent isn't visible I used the name of his father for this monument sample who died many years later.”

Of course Wolter could have written that in 2003 and 2006. Instead he lied. He also did not publish the photo. He lied to the Runestone Museum Foundation. He lied to the Swedish Historical Museum. He lied to Dr. Runo Lofvendal and other members of the Swedish panel who tried to evaluate his work in 2004. He lied. Mr. Wolter was and is a liar.

Have a look at his purported “Abner Lowell” tombstone.

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2016/06/kensington-rune-stone-theories-verses.html

It does not look like a typical Maine slate tombstone. Is this made of biotite? Is it even slate? I am sure Wolter will tell us something, but who will believe him? What a nice brown patina it has. It seems every stone Wolter touches gets a brown patina.

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JJ
7/2/2016 09:27:49 pm

not following here, Harold. the nuts and bolts of this is: is the date correct as to the carving on the stone?

Harold Edwards
7/2/2016 10:07:24 pm

Maybe. Who knows? The picture I have of the stone from elsewhere is not what Wolter shows on his blog. One problem with tombstones is that the date of death might not be the date the stone was erected which in fact might be a later date. In a Minneapolis cemetery near me is a marble tombstone of a veteran of the War of 1812 that is in amazing condition. The caretaker told me that the Veteran's Administration replaces the tombstones when they become too weathered. That tombstone dated from the 1930's. Back to Wolter: Many of the "facts" in his paper are things that only he observed. One has to take his word for their veracity. If he lies about one thing, what about the rest?

Harold Edwards
7/2/2016 10:27:14 pm

I should point out one more thing. Mr. Wolter has broken the chain-of-custody. His 2003/2006 works refers to a biotite sample from the tombstone of an Abner Lowell who died in 1815. He gave no picture in these reports. When it was pointed out to him that Mr. Lowell died in 1858, he than gave a picture of a tombstone supposedly for a child of Mr. Lowell who died in 1815. Where did the samples he analyzed come from? Abner Lowell's child's tombstone of 1815? Abner Lowell's tombstone of 1858? Or from somewhere else? If Wolter were an expert witness presenting evidence in court, his evidence would be thrown out.

Raparee
6/29/2016 02:36:08 pm

Regarding the peer review that SW's work has been subjected to, taken from the comment section of his own blog:

"Scott WolterJune 24, 2016 at 9:40 AM

Anonymous,

Apparently you haven't been staying current with my research. First, the various aspects related to the inscription were investigated and publish in my academic peer reviewed book, "The Kensington Rune Stone: Compelling New Evidence." Second, two of my recent papers related to the KRS have been published in peer reviewed journals. My Hooked X/Tau Cross paper was published in April in the latest Midwest Epigraphic Society journal, and my Ritual Code paper was published last week in the Rocky Mountain Mason journal.

Lastly, if the soft-science academic peer reviewed journal process is so wonderful, then why is it that process has failed miserably in so many instances such as the KRS, the Bat Creek Stone and the Tucson Lead artifacts? These are scientific “lay-ups” yet the process you covet so dearly cannot reach the obvious correct conclusion. Without trying to passionately plead your case from the standpoint of your beliefs in the process, tell me specifically the facts as to why these artifacts are not genuine. I don’t want equivocations or an attempt to turn this back onto me, tell us the facts that academia has found that supports their belief these are modern."

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.ca/2016/06/kensington-rune-stone-theories-verses.html#comment-form


-----------

So we have the Midwest Epigraphic Society Journal and the Rocky Mountain Mason 'journal'. I really don't think SW really understands what peer review actually involves.

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Joe Scales
6/29/2016 03:01:36 pm

About The Midwest Epigraphic Society:

"Who We Are
The Midwestern Epigraphy Society (MES) is a public educational organization that promotes the study and research of epigraphy, languages, alphabets, antiquities, and diffusion of the cultures of the world as it particularly applies to pre-Columbian contacts with the Americas. MES uses sources found in libraries, museums, obscure books and journals, manuscripts, plus new discoveries in archaeology and associated scientific fields. MES welcomes people with casual interest in these subjects as well as those pursuing more scholastic goals. Many members are specialists in specific areas and share it with the club. So, you can find your own rewarding niche in MES!"

So if you send them $35 you can join and maybe they'll print something you write to further their clear agenda for promoting diffusionism. Neither this nor the Masonic journal are peer reviewed. They're more akin to club newsletters. It's also funny how Wolter has now adopted and perverted the term "equivocations", as if it supports him, when it is his go to fallacy when attempting to redefine peer review.

Arguing with Wolter on his blog is a waste of time Raparee. But if you're gonna keep at it, you might as well ask what was Michael P. Barnes' opinion on the KRS in 2013; well after the Larsson Papers were revealed.

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Only Me
6/29/2016 03:16:40 pm

Actually, I think Wolter know exactly what peer review is, which is why he so actively avoids it at all costs.

Notice how he wants Anonymous to speak on behalf of academia, repeating the facts he already knows. His claims can't stand up to scientific scrutiny, something Mr. Edwards's investigation into how Wolter conducted his testing of the KRS makes plain.

So, he won't debate anyone from academia, he won't submit his work to peer review and all he has left is to ridicule/challenge those who accept what actual experts have to say about his hobbyhorse. By doing so, he can say, "See, they can't prove me wrong! I'm just too dangerous for the status quo!" He and his inner circle are an example of bunker mentality.

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Jubal
6/29/2016 03:30:21 pm

Get 10 geologists to analyse that Kensington Rune Stone and you will get 10 different opinions.

Only Me
6/29/2016 04:12:08 pm

Wrong.

Only Me
6/29/2016 04:29:20 pm

Are you saying, Jubal, that ten trained geologists would have differing opinions as to which materials comprise the KRS? Without knowing where that stone came from originally, trying to determine its age is practically impossible.

Since geologists are not trained in linguistics, the inscription and what it might reveal is irrelevant to their study. They could determine if the inscription is new, relative to the weathering on the stone. That might be the only area for disagreement.

But ten geologists = ten opinions? I think not.

Ph
6/29/2016 02:49:39 pm

I think i get it.
"psychological Stockholm syndrome" is the new word for peer pressure.
But if you use that word his arguments sounds meek.
Damn those self serving redefiners of the english language.

PS. There's a D too many in the titel syndrome

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Kathleen
6/29/2016 03:04:26 pm

Isn't "psychological Stockholm Syndrome" redundant?

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Jubal
6/29/2016 03:09:18 pm

John the Baptist knows all about decapitation.

Uncle Ron
6/29/2016 05:20:30 pm

Kathleen- Ha! That was my first though too. Besides, Stockholm syndrome is when a prisoner starts to identify with his captor and/or his captor's cause. It has nothing to do with academia, peer review, or anything else in this context.

John
6/29/2016 06:05:14 pm

Bit wayward there Jubal?

Kathleen
6/29/2016 07:38:56 pm

He was trying to seem scientific and sophisticated and got turned around. I think he wanted to say that he feels cornered or "captured" by the expectations of rigorous scholarship and that his captors are trying to force him to identify with their cause. Of course, he is firmly resolved to not knuckle under to their demands.

flip
6/30/2016 01:56:06 am

Jubal = Time Machine's new name I guess... What a pity, I was looking forward to comment threads being normal again.

As for SW and Stockholm syndrome, it makes me wonder if he did a Bachelor at all. He definitely uses the language of pseudoscience and abuses the language of actual science, in the same manner as others who've had no formal science training. If he did actually complete it, he needs to get his money back. He truly sounds like a fool.

Ph
6/30/2016 07:11:17 am

That's what i thought at first as well.
You can interpret Stockholm Syndrome with physical captivity, so i tried to understand it with a psychological captivity as what they meant.

flip
6/30/2016 01:59:49 am

Question about Cinderella: it just so happens I recently read about the origins of the story, but had seen it pegged to an early Chinese myth too. I was a little confused because both the Greek and Chinese versions have been touted as the earliest known version... but which is actually the first?

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Jubal
6/30/2016 09:23:13 am

The story of Cinderella exists on the dream plane.

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Kathleen
6/30/2016 09:30:26 am

Can I get frequent flyer miles?

Time Machine
6/30/2016 09:59:31 am

When it turns midnight, back to reality.

V
6/30/2016 11:38:01 am

Honestly, there's really no way of telling. It's a folktale. You can't really know how old the story is, only the first time one version or another was written down.

http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/cinderella/history.html has a pretty good analysis. In short, though, the Greek version (actually Egyptian, but written down by a Greek) was written down around the first century BC by Strabo, and the earliest Chinese version was written down around 850-860 AD. That version is the oldest known Cinderella-type story IN CHINA, which may be where the confusion comes from. The article goes on to say that the Chinese written story clearly assumes familiarity with previous, presumably oral versions of the story, so it's clearly been around a lot longer.

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flip
6/30/2016 08:42:08 pm

Thanks V!

Kal
6/30/2016 04:42:02 pm

Stock·holm syn·drome
noun
noun: Stockholm syndrome

feelings of trust or affection felt in certain cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim toward a captor.

Unless SW implies that the media are captors and the audience had sympathy for them, then it is not Stockholm.

Crowd or herd mentality is probably what he means, when a group follows a charismatic leader because others do. He should like that. It is not a syndrome though.

Following a charismatic cult leader can lead to the other, but is not necessarily so. Not all Germans in WW2 followed Hitler. A lot of powerful ones did, and that was a problem. A few cult members followed Manson in the 1960s to kill people. Not all of them. These people following the cult leader could have had something like Stockholm, but it was more like crowd mentality because they could have not done bad things. They chose to.

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Ph
7/1/2016 08:30:59 am

"Unless SW implies that the media are captors and the audience had sympathy for them, then it is not Stockholm."

Not quite, if you look a bit further then just dictionary definitions then you can read:

Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other." One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual's response to trauma in becoming a victim. Identifying with the aggressor is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be perceived as a threat.

There is no DSM definition as it is a simple self preservation of the mind.

And there certainly is quite a bit of harassment and abuse in the peer proces.
(at least towards the fringe realm).

So i understand what he tries to say, but it doesn't make it less ridiculous.
He (again) relies on the perceived emotional value of the words "psychological Stockholm syndrome" without actually connecting to the meaning of the words.

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William Smith
7/3/2016 11:58:23 am

It is good to read some constructive research ideas as to the study of the KRS by other well qualified folks on this site, however it does not take a PHD to measure the .020 mechanical wear line that exist just below the runic letters. It does not take a PHD to compare this wear to 60 established and documented tomb stones in like environment to establish a wear of .003 in. per 50 years.

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Joe Scales
7/4/2016 12:49:13 am

I'm sure there are countless geologists without a PhD that could examine a carved rock and make accurate findings without bias. Wolter isn't one of them however. The only reason I brought up the PhD issue was a challenge for Wolter to have the methodology and findings of his scientific "work" verified by someone unconnected to him with superior credentials. You know... like real scientific peer review.

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REV. E. HERNANDEZ
7/17/2016 11:21:16 am

Love the blog and work, JC. My only two centavos is perhaps a bore, and silly. I once wrote to Scott complementing him at the very start of that series. I knew and cared little about the damned KRS.

I asked him about his loupe. That's right, the jeweller's loupe which he uses because I collect them. He replied it was a standard 10x. Yes, it was kind of him to reply. No, it was not kind that he chose not to answer.

I guess I'm out to get the bastard, too ;)

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