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Scott Creighton Uses Medieval Pyramid Legend to Explain Great Pyramid Void

1/10/2018

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How do we live in a world where this is a normal headline? “Charlie Daniels Issues Grim Warning to Taco Bell About the Illuminati.” 

Meanwhile... ​Some people never learn. Regular readers will remember Scott Creighton, the writer who has some outlandish ideas about ancient Egypt, including the claim that the first sixteen pyramids map the stars of the constellation Orion to depict Osiris and the claim that Col. William Howard Vyse forged Khufu’s name on the Great Pyramid’s quarry marks to hide the true age of the pyramid. (See my review:  Part 1 and Part 2.) Well, prompted by the recent announcement of the discovery with cosmic rays of an unexplored void in the Great Pyramid, Creighton returned with an article on Graham Hancock’s website repeating old errors and misusing the medieval pyramid myth that I have spent so many years exploring to make a false claim for an antediluvian origin for the structure.
What astonishes me is that Creighton, who almost certainly has read my reviews of his work, has failed to learn anything about the medieval myth he uses as evidence, despite the fact that I have made the evidence easily available for even the most obtuse fringe writers to discover. “I took my cue from what the ancient Egyptians themselves tell us, and that which was later written down by various Arabic scholars. Alas, these ancient texts from the Coptic-Egyptian tradition are pretty much dismissed by modern Egyptology as nothing more than myth and legend.” That would be because the myths he cites, about King Surid building the pyramids before the Flood, doesn’t exist in the historical record before c. 1000 CE, and the preceding versions are vastly different and traceable to known historical sources.
 
As I have laid out many times before, the story that the pyramid were built before Noah’s Flood to safeguard science and wisdom is a medieval adaptation of a Late Antique Christian story that combined elements of Enoch’s antediluvian Pillars of Wisdom (Flavius Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews 1.68-74) and a preexisting popular Greco-Egyptian attempt to explain the hieroglyphs found in tombs and temples as a record of magic spells and wisdom carved to protect it from an unspecified Nile flooding event (Ammianus Marcellinus, Roman History 22.15.30). The first Christian version of the story, influenced by Hermetic philosophy, which had also adopted the same stories, applied the tale to the temples of Egypt, specifically the temple at Akhmim (Panoplis). This was the version known to Annianus and Panodorus, the chroniclers whose work formed the basis of the Islamic version. The first Islamic version of the story, given by the Persian astrologer Abu Ma’shar (Ibn Juljul, Tabaqat al-atibbaʾ 5-10) from Annianus, similarly applied the story to the temples, a tale that remained current to the end of the Middle Ages (Al-Maqrizi, Al-Khitat 2.80). It is only around 1000 CE, in the Akhbar al-zaman, that we see the pyramids incorporated into the story as a storehouse for the wisdom of Surid’s kingdom. This story was never the only one, competing with several other myths about the pyramids, and the temples remained the primary focus of the myth of antediluvian wisdom in the Islamic period.
 
Creighton doesn’t know any of this because he has never read the original texts, or, apparently, my translations and analysis of them. Instead, he cites his discussion entirely to Col. Vyse’s Operations Carried on at the Great Pyramid from 1840, whose second volume contains summaries of a number of Islamic texts. Unfortunately for Creighton, they are neither complete nor accurate, and he doesn’t know that. Hence, we get this incorrect statement of the history of this myth:
As stated, many of these myths were preserved and passed down in the oral tradition by the Coptic-Egyptians, the descendants of the original ancient Egyptian people and these accounts were subsequently committed to the written form in the tenth century AD by the Arabic scholar, al-Mas’udi.
​The question of oral transmission is uncertain. The best reading of the evidence is that the tale we currently have is a literary tradition based on Christian efforts to harmonize vulgar folk belief with (semi-heretical) Judeo-Christian legends of the Watchers and the antediluvian wisdom pillars. The popular folk belief, however, is not possible to fully reconstruct now, but since it claims to explain the hieroglyphs and their occult meaning, it almost certainly arose after knowledge of this writing system had gone extinct, in the early centuries CE. There is no evidence of a continuity of tradition back to the Old Kingdom, though there is some evidence of connections back to Hellenistic times.
 
Of more direct concern here, and evidence of Creighton’s slipshod scholarship, is his allegation that al-Mas’udi recorded this story in the tenth century. This is false. The text he quotes comes from a translation of the Akhbar al-zaman produced by Aloys Sprenger for Col. Vyse (so far as the notes in the book indicate). Sprenger, however, was fooled by a mistake in the manuscript of the Akhbar. Because al-Mas’udi had also written a book with the same title, later copyists confused the two, and Sprenger, not knowing the difference, repeated the mistake. Creighton repeats the error yet again.
 
If this sounds familiar, it is because Erich von Däniken made the same mistake in Chariots of the Gods fifty years ago, for the same reason.
 
The funny thing is that al-Mas’udi actually did tell part of the story in his Meadows of Gold, but it wasn’t about the pyramids. It was about the temples, particularly the one at Akhmim:
The people who built these temples had a taste for astrology, and they persistently probed the secrets of nature. They had learned from the study of the stars that a catastrophe threatened the land; but they were uncertain whether the world was to perish by fire, by a deluge, or if the sword were to exterminate its inhabitants. In fear lest the sciences should be annihilated with the people, they constructed these berabi (singular, berba) and disgorged their knowledge into the figures, the images, and the inscriptions which adorned them. They built them either of stone or of earth, separating these two kinds of constructions. If the foretold catastrophe, they said, is of fire, the edifices built of earth and clay will harden like stone, and our sciences will be preserved. If, on the contrary, it is a deluge, the water will carry away that which is built out of earth, but the stone will subsist. In the case of destruction by the saber, these two kinds of buildings will remain standing. According to the above, these temples were built before the Deluge. Others give them a more recent date. (Meadows 31, my trans.
​Al-Mas’udi added that there were contradictory opinions on which catastrophe the temples were built as a safeguard against, but he thought it was a foreign invasion, not Noah’s Flood.
 
This is the story as it was known before being applied to the pyramids—exactly what we would expect from an author who lived and wrote before 1000 CE. Creighton knows nothing of the actual words of al-Mas’udi and therefore rails against modern scholars for dismissing a later invention as a later invention.
 
Having accepted the text at face value—and failing, again, to note that Sprenger had only an incomplete Akhbar and filled out the text with parallel (but not entirely identical) material from al-Maqrizi’s copy of al-Wasifi’s (Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah’s) version in his Al-Khitat—Creighton then decides that this story helps explain the void in the Great Pyramid:
I fully anticipate that future, more detailed scans of this feature within the Great Pyramid will reveal that there are no access tunnels anywhere leading to this ‘chamber’. I suspect that the bodies of the ancestor kings of Surid were lowered into this ‘burial vault’ when the roof of the vault was still open, providing the only access to the cavity. I also suspect that once all the ancestor kings were interred therein, the ‘chamber’ was sealed over and the Pyramid was built on top of it, to its completion.
​I would be extremely surprised if a story that did not exist before c. 1000 CE somehow proved the key to a void unopened for 4,500 years.
 
Creighton also cites with approval physicist André Pochan’s claim from 1978’s Mysteries of the Great Pyramid that the Grand Gallery of the Great Pyramid was once lined with statues of Khufu’s ancestors, a claim based once again on Islamic-era legends, in this case two passages preserved in al-Maqrizi. The first, presumably paraphrased from al-Nadim, who wrote before 990 CE. In it, he writes that from the inner “mausoleum” of the Great Pyramid, “extends a corridor the height of a man and leading underground. The roof is made of stone and in it one sees portraits and statues lying or standing, and many things of which we do not know the meaning” (my trans.). This might suggest a gallery of statues if it weren’t for the fact that al-Nadim had just finished describing a fanciful golden set of statues in the King’s Chamber, a giant vat of magical blood, and a pair of sarcophagi in the chamber that clearly never existed. Similarly, the second quotation, from Ibn al-Wasif Shah, offers little evidence in favor of a hall of statues, for the passage merely says that in “the East pyramid’s rooms were executed representations of the sky and the stars, and they were crammed with statues of the ancestors of Surid…” (my trans.). Here plural rooms are specified, but when we place the passage in the context of the entirety of the story—in this case, the whole of the Akhbar al-zaman, of which it forms a small section, we see that it is merely a repeated motif of tombs filled with statues. One king, Sa, for example, had 4,000 statues!
 
But, interestingly, the specific wording used by Al-Maqrizi doesn’t appear in the parallel text of the Akhbar al-zaman, often considered to be the oldest and most accurate form of the text later cited by al-Maqrizi. Not to belabor the point, here are the two lines
​Akhbar al-zaman
Into the eastern pyramid, he transported the idols of the stars, representations of the heavens, wonders built by his ancestors, incense to offer to the idols, books containing the history of ancient Egypt, an account of the lives of the kings and the dates of all the events that had transpired, still other books comprising a proclamation of all that would happen in Egypt until the end of time, with a description of the paths of the fixed stars and their influence at every moment.
 
Ibn Wasif Shah in al-Maqrizi
In the East pyramid’s rooms were executed representations of the sky and the stars, and they were crammed with statues of the ancestors of Surid, perfumes which were burned for the planets, and the books that concerned the table of the fixed stars and the table of their revolution in the course of time, the list of events of past eras under their influence, and when they must be examined to know the future of everything about Egypt until the end of time.
As you can see, there is a slight but noticeable disagreement in terms of whether the objects were statues of Surid’s ancestors or the wonders (talismans, often in statue form) built by those ancestors. The latter makes more sense and is probably the correct reading. Al-Maqrizi was a good scholar for his time, but he could only work with the materials available to him, and by his day the copies of copies were somewhat corrupt. For what it is worth, the much more corrupt version of the Akhbar used by Murtada ibn al-‘Afif referred to Surid packing the pyramid with “Statues excellently wrought” as well as talismans, so wherever the error occurred, at some point a copyist just gave up and included both.
 
The bottom line is that Creighton’s reliance on excerpts in secondary sources has seriously undermined his argument by implying certainty where there is doubt and exposing his ignorance of the complex history of ideas he simplistically accepts at face value.
23 Comments
Only Me
1/10/2018 10:00:46 am

"I suspect that the bodies of the ancestor kings of Surid were lowered into this ‘burial vault’ when the roof of the vault was still open, providing the only access to the cavity."

I suspect Creighton is full of shit. The people involved in the discovery of the "void" aren't able to pinpoint its location and are unable to tell if there is even anything inside, much less its purpose.

Someone tell Creighton two Hancocks is one too many.

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Bryan
1/10/2018 10:42:18 am

"Someone tell Creighton two Hancocks is two too many"

Fixed it for you :)

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Mary C Baker
1/10/2018 10:54:15 am

When is a void not a void?

It is a jumble of statues, bodies, sarcophagi, perfumes, books, talismans, and artifacts. The air left must indicate a huge chamber, enough to weaken the structure which has stood since Noah's flood.

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Americanegro
1/10/2018 11:51:08 am

a. It's hard to "weaken" a big pile of stones

b. "Noah's flood" never happened.

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Mary C Baker
1/10/2018 02:04:12 pm

At least not in Egypt.

We are talking about a void equivalent to half the pyramid.

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Americanegro
1/10/2018 03:27:15 pm

"We are talking about a void equivalent to half the pyramid."

Uh, yeah, NO. According to the original article in Nature, the void is "8 meters high, 2 meters wide, and at least 30 meters long".

Four hundred and eighty cubic meters is NOT half of 2.58 million cubic meters.

You can't fix crazy.

Mary C Baker
1/10/2018 10:09:32 pm

The void has been nearly filled with all the above named rubbish. All that is left is 480 m³ of air.

Don't you get satire?

Americanegro
1/10/2018 10:39:47 pm

Of course I do. Let me know when you come across some. Satire I mean, I've seen your rubbish.

Please to be explaining "the above named rubbish". And also let us know where you're institutionalized.

William M Smith
1/14/2018 11:47:52 am

Mary C Baker - Do not fear people that use fake names to show their great math and expertise on stone structures. AMERICANEGRO puts all real name people in some type of institution. The Red pyramid is older than the great pyramid according to the academic institutionalized folks.

Americanegro
1/18/2018 01:26:28 am

Oh, I'm sorry! It was rude of me to point out that 480 is NOT half of two and a half million. Just thinking of the kids, the kids in the schools. And jeez, I'm sorry, but not accommodating mental patients. This cavity is a room in a house, it is not half of the pyramid. What the heck is wrong with William M Smith?

Cowboy Bob
1/10/2018 12:03:16 pm

Strip me naked smear me with jam and tie me to an ant hill! Charlie Daniels is warning us all about the illumninaughty. I sure the conspiracy involves the bean counters (accountants) at Taco Bell seeing a trend on youtube and social media and making commercials with the same theme. I think the "void" is in some of these peoples craniums and not the Great Pyramid.

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Americanegro
1/10/2018 12:34:01 pm

I feel sure there is a connection to the purple taco graffiti appearing all over Dallas.

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Cowboy Bob
1/11/2018 01:41:00 pm

Well said. Still laughing.

A C
1/10/2018 02:23:59 pm

Have you seen this crap yet?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/two-suns-no-its-a-supernova-drawn-6000-years-ago-say-indian-scientists

I managed to guess pretty much the whole thing from the headline and immediately thought "how can anyone fall for this shit" before remembering that while reading a blog like this doesn't make me any kind of expert it still gives me specialist knowledge I can't expect from the general public.

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David Bradbury link
1/11/2018 03:59:44 am

It's certainly unlikely, but there is a fair amount of evidence of human occupation of the area at the relevant period. The original research was not published as The Guardian suggests, but in 2009:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2009JAHH...12...61I
The biggest worry is the attempt to treat the carving as a constellation map. A similar approach was used to interpret the other major carving featured in the article, originally in 2006:
http://www.tifr.res.in/~vahia/comets.pdf
But cup-and-ring marks are very common in rock carving, and are not elsewhere associated with potential craters.

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Hanslune
1/10/2018 05:36:49 pm

Scott has been pushing some odd and rather boring ideas the last few years. He is presently pushing his ideas on the website Unexplained Mysteries.

One correction - he is no Hancock. Hancock can actually write coherent material that is completely wrong but to an unknowing person might sound plausible and is sweeping in scope. Scott's material on the other hand comes across as forced, tedious, unpalatable and small potatoes with no great ideas that are tainted by inaccuracies.

However he has nothing else. The orthodoxy and fringe writer both face the same fate of 'Publish or Perish' while a real scientists can rest on their laurels a fringe writer must constantly come up with new material - each more wonderful and exciting than the first.

Hancock tried to prove a lost civilization that covered the globe, and failed in the real world but was accepted in fringe. Scott however is trying to suggest somebody in the ancient world did a lot of work to make a seed depository that was never needed. Yawn

A rather insipid vision.

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Joe Scales
1/10/2018 09:14:49 pm

Is it just me or does anyone else think the Devil really should have won Johnny's soul?

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Bob Jase
1/11/2018 01:22:27 pm

Yep, I've heard that reording hundreds of times and Johnny sounds like a second-rate square dance player compared to the Devil.

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Americanegro
1/11/2018 01:56:23 pm

People say I'm no good, and crazy as a loon
'Cause I get stoned in the mornin', I get drunk in the afternoon

How far the bass player from Nashville Skyline has fallen. Satan has had his way today.

Americanegro
1/11/2018 08:31:14 pm

Fun fact to know and tell: When Dylan says "Are we rollin' Bob?" he's talking to producer Bob Johnston, another fine American Negro.

Martin Stower
1/12/2018 07:54:04 pm

http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,1129614,1129627#msg-1129627

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/299848-update-on-scan-pyramid-project-oct-2016/?page=30#comment-6280081

What he put on grahamhancock.com is at best a rehash (if not entirely the same) as what he put on Scribd in November.

M.

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Brian Jacoby
1/14/2018 11:51:34 pm

ya, but what about the ancient library under the right hand of the Sphinx according to Edgar Casey?

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Reya Kaaz link
1/17/2018 06:56:32 am

After scanning the Great PyRa-mid which is the one in the middle; they are going to start digging and boring soon and that would be where they would know that no JOKER god or ordinary man or God-King built that GREAT Pyramid.

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