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Scott Wolter and the Secret Templar Fish Code

7/31/2019

59 Comments

 
​Last night, America Unearthed aired its final episode of its first Travel Channel season, and to promote the broadcast, host Scott Wolter published a conspiratorial blog post with Steve St. Clair, who had appeared in earlier seasons as an expert on the extended Sinclair / St. Clair family of France and Scotland. Wolter’s discussion is full of his usual non-sequiturs and wild speculation, beginning with the temporally unlikely notion that the Knights Templar, who were suppressed in 1307, were still on the run around 1400, when the youngest of the original knights would have been 111: “The final episode is arguably the best in a season of 10 really good shows for it reveals exciting new evidence about the fugitive Templar's (sic) activities in North America circa 1400,” Wolter wrote. Granted, Wolter believes that there was a clandestine continuation of the Knights Templar after 1307, but surely at some point even these fictitious secret agents were no longer “fugitives” from kings and popes a century dead.
Wolter has hit upon yet another alleged symbol of Templar activities, which also manages to be so common as to have no clear connection to its imputed meaning. Wolter and St. Clair allege that fish are now symbols of Templar activity, and he points to a few disparate pieces of evidence. First, he claims that a fish symbol he believes was used by the Forrester clan of Scotland “could” be a sub rosa acknowledgement of Templar secrets. He was particularly taken by what he sees as a fish carved on a Rosslyn Chapel beam: “The fact the fish carving is positioned on its side, as Steve pointed out in our conversations, with the head ‘swimming’ to the east, could be a symbolic reference to Jerusalem and knowledge of the Templars activities there in the previous two centuries.” Or it could be a fish. Or not. St. Clair wrote in the blog post that the “fish” is actually a bugle, one of three on the Forrester coat of arms. The symbol includes an arc-shaped stylized bugle and a looped strap from which the bugle dangles.
 
In Rosslyn chapel, a single example of a symbol like the strapped bugle appears on one horizontal beam, aligned ninety degrees clockwise from its usual orientation. Wolter reads great significance into this, but the symbol doesn’t appear to have a clear context on the beam and might well have been an afterthought or intended for an upright carving that was used in a different way.
 
Wolter also accepts at face value a number of dubious claims (seen on Curse of Oak Island and elsewhere) that stylized plant carvings in the chapel are North American plants, decades before Columbus inaugurated trans-Atlantic commerce. The carvings are heavily stylized, so any similarities are due more to the observer’s fancy than an American origin.
 
Wolter also suggests that George Washington acknowledged Templar secrets by placing a fish symbol secretly in his signature. The “symbol” is actually just a loop Washington added for flourish on the end of the crossbar of the “T” in his name, similar to the loops he used on the G and the H. It does not match the classic “Vesica Pisces” shape used in Christianity in that it is not pointed. Even if it were, the use of the symbol among Christians and other groups would make it very difficult to prove a Templar connection with occult meaning.
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George Washington's signature.
​The conversation following Wolter’s posting descended quickly into mutual recriminations among Sinclair festishists about whose DNA is the purest. Given that a millennial family DNA history can be undone by a single faithless wife, putting so much stock in who is a “real” Sinclair (and thus a real descendant of Jesus) is a fool’s errand.
 
I must confess to not understanding the logic behind Wolter’s growing catalog of imaginary Templar symbols that are also standard Christian ones like the Vesica Pisces (“Jesus fish”), the pontifical cross, and the “In hoc signo, vinces” motto. The stated logic is that they have double meanings for the initiated, but being such standard Christian fare, it seems like it would be unnecessarily confusing for the Templars to have used symbols everyone else was using, not to mention bizarre to use the symbols of the supposedly hated papacy to encode pagan ideas.
59 Comments
Jim
7/31/2019 09:03:19 am

“The fact the fish carving is positioned on its side, as Steve pointed out in our conversations, with the head ‘swimming’ to the east, could be a symbolic reference to Jerusalem and knowledge of the Templars activities there in the previous two centuries.”

Of course if the fish had been swimming west it would symbolize the Templar Journey to America.

Ashley Cowie would have measured the angle where the two tail lines crossed and declared the angle the same as the sun at solar noon summer solstice on Runestone Hill thus making the fish a map to the new world.

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Uhriah the Hittite
7/31/2019 01:04:39 pm

Also, if the fish were swimming North then it would mean they were spawning, all the while singing "North to Alaska, Gone North the rush is on."

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Lyn
8/4/2019 03:51:55 pm

ah ha, I know where that came from, both song and movie. (both of which I like.)

That Jackson Sister
7/31/2019 03:31:34 pm

That's BROTHER Ashley Cowie if you're nasty.

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B L
7/31/2019 09:54:10 am

"America Unearthed, Season 4, Episode 10, Exodus of the Templar's"?.....

More like "America Unearthed, Season 4, Episode 10, Exodus of the Viewers"!

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Paul
7/31/2019 10:12:04 am

Let us count the ways, how many more Templar symbols can the imbecile Wolter imagine. Idiotic to believe that the Templars are all over this country without a shred of documentation or artifact, besides imagined carvings. Slays me how Wolter can pick up a carving or look at it through his magnifier and date it. Absolutely ridiculous. And why would a fish pointed to the east in Rosslyn chapel be associated with Jerusalem, isn't Jerusalem south-south east of Rosslyn chapel? And slays me that Wolter believes the admitted fiction that Dan Brown wrote is historical truth. I feel sorry for Wolter's kids, suffering that kind of abuse.

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Just Sayin'
7/31/2019 11:26:19 am

I feel sorry for Wolter's dad, killed in Australia when Wolter was his dive buddy. Ooops!

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Steve StC
8/1/2019 12:17:02 am

The writing of a true Colavito acolyte. You are despicable “Just Sayin.” Jason attracts the highest caliber people. Keep up the great work Jason.

Kent
8/1/2019 06:23:51 am

Hi Bob "Gunn Sinclair" Voyles!

Machala
7/31/2019 10:17:42 am

Templars are like leprechauns...I don't believe in leprechauns, but the little bastards are all over the place!

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Hilda Hilpert
7/31/2019 12:45:43 pm

Love that quote.I caught some of the episode. When they were in the caves, Wolter pointed out several things.The symbol of the diamonds that they could place in individual places on a map, taken as a whole, looked to me like almost a symbol for DNA.The cross looked similar to I think the Cross of Loraine, and maybe a papal cross. The so called templar carvings maybe older than the 15th century. That's like if you have some group calling themselves Cathars. The original Cathers disappeared in the 14th century, Gulliame Belibaste, being the last Cathar perfect executed in 1320 or so. Now there were families who belonged to the church, or credenties. Whether these cathar families of the Landoc region of France continued to practice in secret their faith is unknown. Just as in Spain converso jews and moors secretly practiced their faith.We know this because of inquistion records for some cases.
Fish are a common christian symbol regardless of what direction the fish is pointing to. If he found a basket with bread next to the fish, then that refers to the miracle of when Jesus feed the multitude. The fish he found in Rosslyn Chapel could have been a builder's mark too.
The Curse of Oak Island show has already had various signs or symbols mentioned in relationship to the Templars.Look at the ancient lead cross they found. Can't wait for their new season to start.

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Machala
7/31/2019 08:54:59 pm

It all sounds a bit too fishy to me...

Hilda Hilpert
7/31/2019 12:51:27 pm

I missed the business about how pure the Sinclairs blood line may or maynot be.You want the truth, we are all mutts in one fashion or another.No one started out noble, they all had to come from somewhere. I'm Hungarian-German.Ancient tribes passed back and forth over these lands and the rest of europe.And don't forget the Roman Army was everywhere.

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Doc Rock
7/31/2019 01:08:54 pm

The fish symbol can be found in decals or bumper stickers on vehicles in the parking lots of pretty much any given Christian denomination. And don't forget the atheist version of the symbol that is not uncommon to any given college campus and student ghetto. Can see this type of symbol carved or drawn on bathroom walls by drunken fishermen at fish camps and hunting lodges.

Perhaps ALL such folks are really Templars and just do such a great job of keeping it double top secret that we and they don't realize it. Kind of like back in the 60s when the FBI infiltrated some subversive groups so thoroughly that later records revealed that there were more agents than subversives in the group they just didn't realize it because one hand lost track of what the other was doing.

The theory that the Smithsonian doesn't want you to hear. Don't be surprised if your computer crashes while reading this.




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Kent
7/31/2019 01:27:52 pm

Did Wolter mention that the Greek word for fish ΙΧΘΥΣ is an acronym for Ἰησοῦς Χριστός Θεοῦ Yἱός Σωτήρ "Jesus Christ Son of God, Savior" ?

Maybe he left it out because it's common knowledge. As always, stupidity is the more likely explanation.

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Accumulated wisdom
7/31/2019 02:44:48 pm

He probably left it out because he doesn’t have the annoying habit of copying and pasting random factoids from Wikipedia for no other reason than to concoct an artificial appearance of intellectualism for himself.

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Kent
7/31/2019 03:26:53 pm

Wow, who whizzed in your gastro-nasal tube Walking Tampon?

Remember you're the Summer's Eve who has praised what you take to be my knowledge of languages.

Didn't get it from Wikipedia. Learned it from Father Richard Mahoney in Eureka, CA as a child. Isn't it interesting that I can remember people's names and you can't?

The simple explanation is that Wolter's a football major who played geology and he has the dull dumb eyes of an unusually stupid animal but he gives you a haven for your nonsense on his blaugh.

What was that state that was supposed to not have bears? I must have missed it the first time you answered the question. Oh, that's right....

You can pogue Mahoney if you like.

Accumulated wisdom
7/31/2019 07:38:58 pm

Um, I wasn’t referring to you Mr. “Everything in the World is About Me.” There’s no need for you to be so hyper-sensitive!

Kent
7/31/2019 10:55:27 pm

Loquitur.

What was that state that was supposed to not have bears? I must have missed it the first time you answered the question. Oh, that's right....

You really are incredibly stupid. There is no scale on planet earth that can measure it.

Accumulated wisdom
7/31/2019 11:11:25 pm

I’d say there is no state in which a normal person could “bear” to communicate for an extended period with an uneducated dolt who desperately wants the world to be impressed by his faux erudition.

Kent
7/31/2019 11:56:35 pm

Loquitur.

What was that state that was supposed to not have bears? I must have missed it the first time you answered the question. Oh, that's right....

You really are incredibly stupid. There is no scale on planet earth that can measure it.

Kent link
8/1/2019 12:27:18 am

Now here we're presented with an interesting question: How stupid is Anthony Warren?

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KENT
7/31/2019 01:27:52 pm
Did Wolter mention that the Greek word for fish ΙΧΘΥΣ is an acronym for Ἰησοῦς Χριστός Θεοῦ Yἱός Σωτήρ "Jesus Christ Son of God, Savior" ?

Maybe he left it out because it's common knowledge. As always, stupidity is the more likely explanation.

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ACCUMULATED WISDOM
7/31/2019 02:44:48 pm
He probably left it out because he doesn’t have the annoying habit of copying and pasting random factoids from Wikipedia for no other reason than to concoct an artificial appearance of intellectualism for himself.

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KENT
7/31/2019 03:26:53 pm
Wow, who whizzed in your gastro-nasal tube Walking Tampon?

Remember you're the Summer's Eve who has praised what you take to be my knowledge of languages.

Didn't get it from Wikipedia. Learned it from Father Richard Mahoney in Eureka, CA as a child. Isn't it interesting that I can remember people's names and you can't?

The simple explanation is that Wolter's a football major who played geology and he has the dull dumb eyes of an unusually stupid animal but he gives you a haven for your nonsense on his blaugh.

What was that state that was supposed to not have bears? I must have missed it the first time you answered the question. Oh, that's right....

You can pogue Mahoney if you like.

ACCUMULATED WISDOM
7/31/2019 07:38:58 pm
Um, I wasn’t referring to you Mr. “Everything in the World is About Me.” There’s no need for you to be so hyper-sensitive!
__________________

It doesn't get much funnier than that.

TONY S.
7/31/2019 04:36:38 pm

Regarding the last paragraph, Jason, I suspect the reason is that Wolter and his delusional friend Steve don't have the slightest clue about the actual history of the order, nor the true nature of its relationship to Rome.

As always with the fringe, they bloviate about rewriting history,yet know nothing of the history they think they're rewriting. They don't understand how idiotic they make themselves look by disdaining actual historical sources, primary and otherwise.

If they were just honest about the fact that they were writing historical fan fiction, they wouldn't get as much flack. Of course, they would also have to have original ideas to write authentic fiction, and neither one of them has ever come up with an original thought regarding their "theories".

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Jim
7/31/2019 05:11:06 pm

Ironically, Wolter in his made up history has inadvertently given Rome and the Catholic church every justification for punishing the Templars.

Wolter claims the Templars were Goddess worshipers (heretics) and only joined the Church to do it harm to give themselves Rome's power.
They would have had every intention from the get go to break the holy oaths they took.
Treason even to this day and especially back then was punished by death. Not to mention worshiping a false idol and heresy.
In other words according to Wolter, they were a bunch of treasonous, lying, back stabbing, idol worshiping, oath breaking sob's who deserved what they got.

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TONY S.
7/31/2019 05:23:58 pm

Yeah, you're right. It doesn't seem very well thought out, does it?

That's actually pretty amusing. Especially when you take into account his obvious hero worship of them (well,what he THINKS they are) and the fact that he's been obsessing for years over the idea of them being some kind of mythical superheroes.

Jim
7/31/2019 08:01:45 pm

"Doesn't seem very well thought out" is Scott's middle name.

Wolter on the Wemyss Cave:

" The cave we were in was beehive shaped with a narrow entrance that would have worked perfectly for defense purposes."

Hopelessly trapped with no escape is a good defensive position ?

TONY S.
7/31/2019 09:33:56 pm

That sums up pretty well the general state of his knowledge.

It's pathetic that the people who watch AU actually believe he's doing something of substance by engaging in fringe nonsense. All he is is an ignoramus poisoning the well of knowledge, especially for younger people. He's feeding into the notion that all the work that scholars have accomplished while adhering to the scientific method for centuries all over the globe shouldn't be trusted.

He's a fraud, and he knows he's a fraud.

Jim
7/31/2019 11:03:23 pm

"He's a fraud, and he knows he's a fraud."

He has been playing that hand for a long time.
In 2001 Professor Weiblen studied the core samples of the KRS and could not find any biotite. And in 2004 Dr. Runo Löfvendahl and the rest of the team of Swedish scientists had the same results, showing Wolter to be either a liar or incompetent.
Wolter had to know for sure the KRS was a hoax at that point.

As Harold Edwards (Who worked in Wolters lab at the time of Wolter's examination) pointed out the calcite which contained some of the carvings had virtually no weathering, pretty much an impossibility.
Wolter knew then it was a hoax.

Then came the lies, the fakery, the conspiracy theories, the non existent peer reviews, the fake honorary degree etc. etc.
And here we are almost 20 years later watching his asinine dog and pony show keep rolling along.
Disheartening for the human race.

Kent
7/31/2019 11:08:04 pm

" The cave we were in was beehive shaped with a narrow entrance that would have worked perfectly for defense purposes."

Wolter strikes me as someone who's never been in a fight. Before it turns into a d*ck measuring contest I will happily discuss 3 or 4 fights I lost. Something Nick "Handbag Full of Rainbows" Redfern would never do.

I riffed on it but your point that his idea of a good idea is idiotic was well made.

TONY S.
7/31/2019 11:27:09 pm

Jim,

"Disheartening" is the perfect word for it.

TONY S.
7/31/2019 11:30:27 pm

Kent,

We all know Nick f--ks all the women he wants, and wins all his fights.

Jim
8/1/2019 12:15:50 am

Kent

"your point that his idea of a good idea is idiotic was well made."

They would have been smoked out of that cave half an hour after lighting the fire.

Kent
7/31/2019 07:32:07 pm

Deeply sublimated homoeroticism but you didn't hear it from me.

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TONY S.
7/31/2019 09:34:36 pm

Wolter and eroticism..... ugh.

Kent
7/31/2019 11:17:44 pm

You gotta admit he's a good lookin' guy and keeps it tight. That said, he's an idiot, and I wouldn't even have sex with a woman who's an idiot. In my youth I'm happy to say I made that decision on multiple occasions. And many women made that decision for me. Thank you ladies!

TONY S.
7/31/2019 11:38:40 pm

It's funny how our priorities change as we get older, ha ha. I didn't mind when I was young, but now, nah, no idiots, not even hot ones.

Kent
7/31/2019 11:29:23 pm

It bears remembering that during the Templar era the Pope was not in Rome.

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TONY S.
7/31/2019 11:37:01 pm

I thought the papal court didn't move to France until 1309?

Kent
7/31/2019 11:47:40 pm

You might want to look at the Wandering Popes era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_papacy#Conflicts_with_the_Emperor_and_East_(1048%E2%80%931257)

TONY S.
8/1/2019 09:40:18 am

Appreciate it, thank you!

Robert Girard
8/5/2019 01:38:31 pm

I included dubious fringe history in MY fictional novel “OBELISK A Tale of Spiritual Warfare”
I asked Jason to read it and “critic the rascal to death” But alas, no read, no review and thus no scathing comments from the Peanut Gallery of Critics! The book is chocked full of FRINGE!
Occult secrets, biblical truths, historical reference
Fact, fiction and a frightening level of evil-no review from Jason 🙁.
-RG

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Kent
12/28/2019 06:04:32 pm

"Why do you argue with Kent over nothing ad nauseam on this site but on Wolters blog you humbly submit to Wolters bullying without a peep ?"

Because Anthony Warren (not his real name) is a submissive homosexual and loves thinking about Scott Wolter DOING him in a vigorous and sweaty fashion. From the back. Playing one hole sex cribbage. For hours.

Jim
8/1/2019 10:52:47 am

Accumulated wisdom (Anthony Warren)

Why do you argue with Kent over nothing ad nauseam on this site but on Wolters blog you humbly submit to Wolters bullying without a peep ?

Accumulated wisdom (on Wolters Blog):

"Fish symbols always have a point. The symbols you've shown have loops with no distinct point. In my opinion... That's Mercury."

Wolter's Reply:

"Fish symbols do not always have a point at the head end; the rounded head is emblematic of Vesica Pisces. It's the way symbolism works."

Wolter is full of crap.

http://symboldictionary.net/?p=1127

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesica_piscis

C'mon Anthony, don't be bullied, you are right and Wolter is wrong.
Press home your argument, you have him by the short and curlies. Stand up for Pete's sake.

And if you do please let us know, as I would be very interested to know if Wolter will allow a comment made by you proving him to be wrong to stand. He certainly censors me every time I post any evidence proving him wrong.

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Jr. Time Lord
8/1/2019 02:21:05 pm

Jim,

Someone else has been, and is still using the "Accumulated Wisdom" name. For instance, I have never in my life used the word "insipid". There, I just did.

For the record, I AM NOT an acolyte of Wolter. At one time, I thought he could provide answers to what, I was seeking. I have made several comments, he has never posted. Especially regarding his Templar map. Later, someone else would make a similar comment, and it would get posted. For instance, I speculated "The Current of the Monster" was the tide. The monster likely being Leviathan. Nothing posted. A while later, someone else posted similar ideas.

I don't think he realizes, "Brother Cowie" is ripping off his Brothers Knight and Lomas. One needs to read, "Uriel's Machine" for Cowie's source.

"How stupid is Anthony Warren?"

I am not the one who has been arguing with an imposter for weeks.







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Jim
8/1/2019 05:34:03 pm

To be clear, are you saying someone is impersonating you on Wolters blog ?

Jr. Time Lord
8/1/2019 07:33:38 pm

No. This blog.

That is not a "fish". The symbol incorporates the Astrological symbol for Mercury. I'm not done.

Kent
8/1/2019 08:12:08 pm

I will say this: you have mastered, Anthony Warren's retarded use of commas.

You can be reliably counted on to:

1. make up stories
2. not remember any of the 2 to 5 books a day every day for the last 42 years you claim to have read
3. blame your mistakes on Autocorrect
4. sober up and claim someone is posting as you

Jim
8/1/2019 08:20:35 pm

How can I be certain this is Anthony Warren ?

"That is not a "fish"

Don't tell me, tell Wolter.
I already agreed with you that his fish story using Vesica Pisces is full of crap.

Kent
8/1/2019 09:59:58 pm

Vide supra.

Random Normal Person
8/1/2019 10:06:55 pm

As usual Anthony Warren got it wrong. This is the astrological symbol for Mercury: ☿

Jr. Time Lord
8/2/2019 02:45:44 am

@Random Normal Person

Oh contraire. That is the Astrological symbol for Mercury WITH the Cross of the Earth attached. Without the Cross, one is left with the loop as shown in the link, I provided on Wolters blog.

YOU ARE WRONG!!!

Kent,

There is something Fung Wong with you.

Kent
8/2/2019 03:41:50 am

Or, we could take out everything that's not a circle, and the symbol of Mercury would be just a circle. Because Anthony "Mental Patient" Warren said that's the thing to do,

Or we could ignore the walking brain damage yelling at pigeons in the park.

Jim
8/1/2019 01:30:35 pm

Well, it looks like Scott "Doesn't seem very well thought out" Wolter has pooped out another nugget of nonsense.

" I am convinced ancient mariners, and certainly the Templar's, knew how to calculate longitude suing a "drip cup" as a clock."

He musta been clock watching while waiting on his drip coffee maker. lol

Because a "drip cup clock" wouldn't be affected water density, especially caused by temperature fluctuations. Even the density due to salt in the oceans varies widely.
Or atmospheric pressure.
Or the motion of a ship. ( the water sloshing around in his "drip cup clock")
Or even lunar gravity would effect it to some extent.

What a putz.
How would anyone tell time by "suing" a drip cup ? Couldn't you just ask the judge what time it is ?

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Accumulating Jizzdumb link
8/2/2019 12:34:08 am

AnonymousFebruary 17, 2015 at 9:05 AM
Hello Alan,

This is Anthony. I'd traded emails with you until, I somehow had my account deleted by a small group of zealots, who post religious rants in response to Science articles. Could you please, make your way to Steve's guest blog, and click on the video at the bottom. Once you're there, pause the video at 2:11. You'll see a familiar "light box". I would love to expound upon this connection to Rosslyn Chapel but, I'd just be regurgitating your work. Would love to know what you think. Thank you again for opening my eyes to the sexual symbolism. I'd sent yourself, and Scott rough pictures of Mona Lisa's "dirty secret". I never would've realized "it" was there, without your works, and the brilliance of your mind.

Best regards,

Anthony

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-templar-families-and-sheep.html

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Rick
8/4/2019 04:00:26 pm

Does this mean that those people who put fish symbols on the back of their cars are modern-day Templars? ;)

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Jimmy the Walker
8/6/2019 11:12:12 am

The funniest bumper stick I remember seeing, other than Trump-Pense, was "My Cat is an Alien".

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Lyn
8/6/2019 02:59:09 pm

my favourite one in that line (sent by an American friend and now posted on my bathroom linen cupboard door) is THERE ARE MANY INTELLIGENT RACES IN THE GALAXY - THEY ARE ALL OWNED BY CATS.

Will Ritson
8/10/2019 12:26:23 am

Y’all need to get lives.

Sitting around debating tv show nonsense to prove your intellectual superiority. Hahaha

But I guess this is the ideal place for it. #Losers

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Kent
8/10/2019 12:27:35 pm

Would it be safe to say the irony is lost on you?

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