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Scott Wolter Appears on Jimmy Church Radio, Attacks Critics, Says Claims Should Be Believed Until Proven False

12/8/2016

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​Scott Wolter appeared on Jimmy Church’s radio show last night for a nearly three-hour discussion that ranged from Wolter’s usual hobbyhorses (the Kensington Rune Stone, of course) to eccentric discussions about the forensic geologist’s taste in music and his Protestant belief that “organized faith” is preventing humans from having a direct relationship with God. The majority of the interview was devoted to Oak Island, a subject Wolter previously claimed was not of interest to him, but the first hour was spent discussing Wolter’s dislike of critics, whom he calls “trolls.” Wolter, who frequently accuses scholars of conspiracy and fraud, complained that academics refuse to engage in “civil discourse.” “I get mad at myself sometimes when I get caught up in it,” he said, “you know, carping back at them or saying something to get back at them.” In a moment of reflection, he said, “Am I doing the same thing that I am accusing them of doing? And sometimes I am.”
to ​“I just wish people would ask questions,” Wolter said. “Or say ‘I disagree, and this is why.’ That’s not what I get. It’s criticism for the sake of criticism and personal attacks.” He added that most critics are “trolls” while proper criticism involves respect, which will allow Wolter to respond. Wolter adds that because he found “evidence” that the Kensington Rune Stone is genuine, it is therefore impossible for there to be evidence that it is a hoax. “It can’t exist,” he said, reiterating his belief that critics simply “argue the opposite” of Wolter’s points.
 
Oh really? I think every can clearly see that Wolter has a very limited idea of what constitutes legitimate disagreement. He does not consider that someone might disagree with his methodology, his data collection, or the inferences he draws to connect data to conclusions. As the conversation continued, it became quite clear that Wolter misunderstands criticism as a modified type of Hegelian dialectic, where the outcome of a criticism is that the critic moves closer to the advocate’s original position and the advocate curtails the sharpest edges of the claim until the critic ends up most of the way toward the advocate. Or, in Heinrich Moritz Chalybäus’s terms: thesis plus antithesis equals synthesis. However, facts, being stubborn things, don’t allow for Hegelian dialectic to apply to simple questions of objective truth. To wit: Thesis: The sky is blue. Antithesis: The sky is red. Synthesis: The sky is purple. It doesn’t work.
 
Jimmy Church says that critics of Scott Wolter refuse to appear on his show and “hide behind their keyboard,” often claiming they are too busy to devote three overnight hours to speaking to Church.
 
This appears to be a reference, at least in part, to me. In January of last year and August of 2014, Church approached me to appear on his radio show. As I explained to him both times, I work during the day, and I start at 6 AM. I physically can’t be up doing a radio show from 10 PM to 1 AM ET and still manage to do the actual work I get paid to do. I do not get paid to appear on the radio, or to write this blog. Let’s just remember that Church has advertisers who sponsor his show and he pitches their products and services. He makes money off of his interviews, whereas I’d be asked to give up three hours unpaid, and for an audience that would not buy any of my books, even if I had a new one to promote. I’m happy to appear, but not when it is detrimental to my real life to do so. In 2015, Church said he would have his executive producer contact me to discuss alternative arrangements, but the executive producer never contacted me, according to my email files.
 
Wolter said that “the people you’re talking about” won’t come on his show, and Church adds that they are not capable of discussing issues on the radio.
 
The offer, however stands, Jimmy: I’ll appear on your show, but only if you can record it at a time when I am available. Three hours is a huge time commitment—almost half a work day!
 
Does anyone really enjoy listening to people complain about personal attacks and how the world is treating them terribly all the time? No, wait. I just answered my own question: It’s why talk radio exists.
 
Beyond this, Wolter discusses Zena Halpern’s map, which he admits is a crude modern drawing that is definitely not a medieval map. However, because Wolter has an unusual idea of evidence, whereby we are to accept claims as true until they disproved, he makes this astonishing statement about the map: “Unless we have a reason to doubt it, I would say this is probably pretty darn close if not right on to what the original was.” This is probably what he would consider unfair criticism, but it is illogical and improper to simply assume something is true and then collect evidence to “prove” it. I discussed this before when I created my own fake map that by Wolter’s own logic we must now accept is “pretty darn close” to genuine since there is no logic that will allow him to reject it.

[Clarification: Wolter did not issue a blanket statement saying all claims must be accepted until proven false; rather, he said that specifically about the Zena Halpern documents, and in his comments he implied that the same standard should be used to judge his own claims and those of researchers he agrees with. It is a variation of the trust me principle.]
 
Wolter said that there are “dozens and dozens of pages of documents that go with it – probably 50 or 100.” Wolter says that these documents—all alleged modern copies of older ones that Wolter suspectss the Catholic Church has suppressed—will change history, but that Wolter can’t share any of the information because Zena Halpern “has the rights to this material.” Wolter said that he signed a non-disclosure agreement in order to view Halpern’s modern documents. Wolter believes that the 50 pages make hoaxing impossible, but I guess Wolter doesn’t remember the Hitler diaries, a 60-volume hoax perpetuated in the 1980s. Length is no barrier. Wolter does, however, admit that there are “serious red flags in this research,” but he refused to say what they are.
 
After discussing Oak Island, the Templars, the Kensington Rune Stone, and Freemasonry (all connected, of course), Wolter begins to offer a discourse on God. He doesn’t recognize his own apparent Protestant bias (I don’t know what, if any, faith he actually practices), and he mouths some platitudes about how we all worship the same God and how all people should strive to form a personal relationship with God, but that organized religion (i.e. the Catholic Church) prevents this by adding layers of bureaucracy. Martin Luther made that argument 500 years ago, but it is a distinctly Protestant understanding of the relationship between the human and the divine. It’s not, for example, how the Greeks would have worshiped. A personal relationship with Hephaestus or Aphrodite would have been laughably silly. The ancient gods were transactional: Give sacrifice, get reward.
 
Wolter moves from this to a paean to the greatness of the United States and lamenting political division. He discusses how “forces” are preventing the public from embracing Freemasonry and its ability to heal these divisions, ensure freedom, and make America great again. He offers an angry diatribe against the Smithsonian (twice, actually), as he usually does in such interviews, and it is really only in those sections that he becomes most forceful and animated in his delivery.
 
As we come in to the final minutes of the show, Wolter accused “a small group of scholars” who “don’t like me because I get more attention for the Kensington Rune Stone than they do” of encouraging a non-practicing geologist to file ethics complaints against Wolter in three states for, among other things, practicing geology where he was not licensed to do so. Wolter said that he received and responded to the complaints and was cleared of ethics problems. Wolter said he he perceived this as harassment and wanted to counterpunch by asking a state board whether it was worth his time to pursue a complaint against the original filer’s license. Wolter, who twice emphasized that the complainer “didn’t have any money,” said he decided not to file an ethics complaint because there was no money to be lost should the board revoke the license of the other party, and thus no punishment. Wolter then said that “technically, yes,” he did practice geology in a state where he wasn’t licensed, but he said that this action “did not cross the line” requiring a license. Wolter suggested that this will not be the end of the story: “You know what they say about payback. I know this guy.”
 
Wolter lumped this action in with “trolls and the guys you and I both know we’re talking about.” I guess that’s me, but I had no involvement whatsoever with any ethics complaints made against Wolter, though I did receive an email announcing one state board’s decision. I didn’t consider the action to be worth discussing until Wolter brought it up in this interview.
18 Comments
Only Me
12/8/2016 12:20:38 pm

Huh. Sounds like Wolter has learned one thing from Pulitzer: use the threat of legal action against your critics.

So, we have to accept claims until they're disproven? Is he not aware how dangerous and stupid this idea is? For example, I shared a link to the IMDB message board for America Unearthed, one or two years ago, where a poster said he believed Wolter was racist. By Wolter's argument, we must believe this is true until it can be disproven. No one of sound mind would accept this standard.

I think, at this point, Wolter has nothing left but complaints.

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Jim
12/8/2016 01:27:26 pm

"So, we have to accept claims until they're disproven? Is he not aware how dangerous and stupid this idea is?"

Wowzers !,,, Back to the Inquisition and witch trials.
I hereby accuse Wolter and his partner of witchcraft and Heresy. Perhaps a sound "burning at the stake" would change his mind.

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Tom
12/8/2016 02:14:39 pm

Mr Wolter is a fantasist.
ALL the "evidence" he has put forward has been disproved ten times over.
Making things up is childish but I admit, can be profitable.
Would Mr Wolter care to debate his ideas in public with representatives of the Smithsonian and the Archivists of the Catholic Church?
He will certainly learn a bit of history and how documents have been stored and preserved over the past centuries and are made available for qualified academics to ponder over for centuries to come.

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Kathleen
12/8/2016 11:27:02 pm

SW feels that the academic Smithsonian and the power-wielding Vatican hide, destroy and distort the true evidence of history and archaeology. I believe he would decline any discourse with them because of his certainty of being presented not with the truth, but with the pablum created for all us gullible people. So, his apples their oranges.

Shane Sullivan
12/8/2016 12:50:57 pm

Poor Wolter's never gonna be a happy person if he doesn't learn to shut off the ol' rage furnace.

By the way,

"Martin Luther made that argument 500 years ago, but it is a distinctly Protestant understanding of the relationship between the human and the divine. It’s not, for example, how the Greeks would have worshiped. A personal relationship with Hephaestus or Aphrodite would have been laughably silly. The ancient gods were transactional: Give sacrifice, get reward."

This is sort of a complicated issue. I know you're referring to your average miller or merchant, and that was certainly the nature of the relationship for most Greeks at the time, but Proclus and other Neoplatonists certainly advocated a very direct relationship with the divine. There were of course a number of Jewish, Christian and Muslim mystics, largely drawing from Plotinus, well before Luther. Not to mention the experiential spiritual traditions of Hindu India (Yoga, Vedanta etc.), and Taoist sects of China.

Whether Luther's ideal of "personal relationship" with God constituted a form of mysticism I'll leave to the religious scholars, but his big complaint* was that that relationship was being monopolized by the church, and strangled out of the populace; I don't think the relationship itself was particularly innovative.

*That is, until his later years, when his big complaint was that the Jews were evil, but that's for another day.

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Jean Stone
12/8/2016 01:18:50 pm

"However, because Wolter has an unusual idea of evidence, whereby we are to accept claims as true until they disproved"

Just so we're clear, this is the same Scott Wolter who thinks that his understanding of how legal procedure works is a good guide to determining 'truth', right? So if I claim that Wolter doesn't understand how archaeology and historiography work, that means I'm right until he proves me wrong. And if I claim he owes me a billion dollars because I once doodled a Hooked-X when I was bored in school and thus claim prior art, he has to prove he doesn't. Pay up Scott.

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Kathleen
12/8/2016 01:37:38 pm

What kind of unlicensed geology was SW practicing? Did it involve concrete, agates or something in his self-created forensic category? Was it a sizable project or was someone nitpicking?

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Jason Colavito link
12/8/2016 02:18:21 pm

The complaint he referenced there was, according to Wolter, in regard to his analysis of the Bat Creek Stone in Tennessee, in which, he said, he was acting officially as a geologist on behalf of the Cherokee Nation.

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Kal
12/8/2016 04:37:16 pm

Oh SW, three hours, really? No wonder nobody wants you around on those other shows. The Berkeley Walls were not his to hit with a hammer and take samples. Digging a hole at some sites was likely not sanctioned. The KRS is not his baby. It belongs to the guy that carved it, or his descendants, and is a fake. The Smithsonian probably doesn't want to deal with this snake oil salesman form on archeology. Note, not a personal attack. It is a type of snake oil he's peddling. That is a provable hypothesis.

But I do not have time to sit through 3 hours of this, so if proven wrong, I will not know.

And as for trolling, there is an old expression that applies, SW, 'That is the pot calling the kettle black', which does not mean race. It means that back then pots and kettles were mostly black in color.

Idioms though would go over his head.

JC, he's probably not talking about you. Certainly there are others who run blogs with equal fervor. It is just that SW is not very net savvy and when he types in 'ancient aliens' your blog comes up because 'a' comes first. 'C' would come a short time later. That is how that works.

If they are talking about you, they're obsessed and need to take a break. I take it you don't have any control over them, so they should not think somehow you do, using some kind of mystical powers.

The classic troll reply to someone making fun of them, 'I'm gonna sue!' is getting old with them. You aren't going to be sued.

From what I've seen even on this blog, none of the criticisms are personal attacks, with the exception of a few suggesting SW is in love with his friends, but that's just juvenile humor. It's not an attack if it seems true. By his own logic it isn't.

Besides, he a a pubic figure and the libel and slander laws do not protect them from critics.

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Harold Edwards
12/8/2016 06:30:36 pm

I filed two of the ethics complaints against Mr. Wolter. One in Tennessee and one in Minnesota. Someone else file the third in another state. I am a professional geologist licensed in Minnesota. Under its ethics rules: “1805.0600 KNOWLEDGE OF IMPROPER CONDUCT BY OTHERS. A licensee who has knowledge or reasonable grounds for believing that another member of the profession has violated any statute or rule regulating the practice of the profession shall have the duty of presenting such information to the board.” Note that I only have to have “reasonable grounds” to file a complaint. The one in Tennessee is still pending.

I filed a fifteen page, single spaced, complaint in Minnesota alleging twelve acts by Mr. Wolter with Minnesota’s Board of AELSLAGID in early September. I cited specific rules and laws and enclosed 23 supporting documents. I received a letter from the Board dated November 22 stating that “After a careful review of your complaint, all the information in the complaint file, and the applicable law, the Board’s Complaint Committee has taken action to close the complaint file.” It also said because of Minnesota’s Government Data Practices Act only Mr. Wolter was to know its reasoning. I therefore do not even know why the complaint file was closed. My understanding of the law is because there was no formal hearing on these matters there is no res judicata, and thus anyone else who has knowledge of these matters and with hopefully better evidence can bring these very same complaints before the Board. Furthermore there are no statute of limitations on ethics complaints. Three of the issues I brought before the Board are:

1. Mr. Wolter on his vita which he uses to solicit work as a professional geologist has listed himself as the sole author of the 2006 book The Kensington Rune Stone: Compelling New Evidence when Richard Nielsen was a coauthor, fact the senior author. Mr. Wolter did this in the face of being warned not to do this by Dr. Nielsen’s attorney and that this was a violation of copyright law. The Board did not find this unethical.

2. Mr. Wolter has constantly claimed his work is peer-reviewed and often by specific individuals. His work was never submitted to peer-review journals, and the mentioned individuals deny having ever given any peer-review. The Board did not find this unethical.

3. Mr. Wolter has claimed that his P.G. license makes him a better archaeologist or linguist than academics in those fields in spite of having no formal training in them or even speaking the languages involved. He has claimed these individuals, including personnel at the Smithsonian, are lying frauds and should suffer some formal sanction or loss of financial support. He has never presenting any evidence of any of this. The Board did not find these things unethical.

My purpose here is not for sympathy. I want the public to know that someone has in fact complained to the Board and no action was taken. I know of at least one other person who has made a formal complaint for which the Board took no action.

There is no appeal for me. However Minnesota’s Governor Dayton oversees the Board. If you are outraged about this, write him at:

Governor Mark Dayton
116 Veterans Service Building
20 W 12th Street
St. Paul, MN 55155

If you have Minnesota ethics complaints you wish to bring against Mr. Wolter or anyone else (including myself) you may bring them here:

http://mn.gov/aelslagid/

The rules and laws are cited and there are fill in forms and instructions.

If I could have made a more artful complaint and thus failed, I apologize.

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Kathleen
12/8/2016 07:57:42 pm



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Tom
12/9/2016 01:11:29 am

Thank you, many people thought Mr Wolters was getting a free pass on all his nonsense.
At least you tried.

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B L
12/9/2016 11:56:15 am

If Minnesota Geology administration is anything like professional oversight in my state, a complaint from a member of the general public would go further than that of someone holding similar degrees. Perhaps if complaints are filed by the general public the suspicion of "sour grapes" does not apply? I am not sure. My point is that just because Harold Edwards didn't seem to get anywhere, it shouldn't discourage anyone else from filing a complaint if one should feel it necessary.

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Jim
12/8/2016 09:13:25 pm

A couple of points here.
1,, You would think if he is going to discuss it, Scott could at least quote the 90 foot stone properly. They had a good laugh over the two million pounds of gold the stone refers to, something along the lines of, thats all the gold found ever.
Of course the interpretation of the stone does not even use the word gold ! Oh well, don't let a complete misquote ruin your interpretation.

2,, Scott says he saw the hooked x on the map prior to his book being released and it is not likely whomever made the map would have known of his hooked x research. This somehow authenticates the map.
Umm, Scott why did Zena Halpern invite you to look at her documents if she didn't know of your research with The Templars and the hooked x ? Did you think she wanted to get your opinion on cement ? I mean c'mon man, she reeled you in like a big ol' bass !

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A C
12/9/2016 06:07:13 am

"To wit: Thesis: The sky is blue. Antithesis: The sky is red. Synthesis: The sky is purple. It doesn’t work."

Counter point: Sunsets

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Jason Colavito link
12/9/2016 06:51:33 am

I thought of that when I wrote it, but even in that case, the sunset isn't a synthesis but a temporary condition. I probably should have asked my brother for a better example; he's the one who has a philosophy degree.

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At Risk
12/9/2016 11:01:14 am

Jason, hoping you don't mind too much, all for good humor:

How about, Thesis: The hole is round. Antithesis: The hole is triangular. Synthesis: the hole is slightly triangular?

That was easy...as easy as decoding a four-position line of holes in a rock, where one hole is obviously missing, and asking, why? Well, that's the beginning...not too difficult....

DaveR
12/9/2016 08:23:49 am

The onus of proof lies upon the individual making the claim. It is not incumbent upon anybody to merely accept what someone claims as true without supporting evidence. Wolter's problem appears to be that people who want facts are not accepting his claims because he is failing to provide supporting facts and evidence. Since he cannot argue his case scientifically, he lashes out in personal attacks and vindictive reprisals against anybody he feels has besmirched his character. The truly funny thing is he then accuses others of unprofessional behavior.

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