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Scott Wolter Claims America's Founding Fathers Were "All Knights Templar"

2/27/2020

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Ancient Aliens received a bump in the ratings after moving from Friday to Saturday for its fifteenth season, but the surge in Saturday ratings was short lived. The show has seen its viewership continue to decline, though not yet to the historic lows it reached at the end of its Friday run. This week, the show fell to 928,000 viewers, down from last week and down markedly from its season premiere. That’s still a cut above the 750,000-800,000 watching in its last few Friday episodes, but the trend line isn’t positive, despite the History Channel making Ancient Aliens the de facto face of its network across its multiple platforms, including its lucrative line of fan conferences, such as Alien Con and History Con.
 
Wolter mostly repeats the same things he always says about the Knights Templar, whom he wrongly believes to be a mercenary force for oxymoronic freedom-loving pagan aristocrats, but he adds a few more specific claims that are increasingly disturbing as he pushes his ideas in a more extreme direction. In the video, Wolter alleges that powerful forces are conspiring to suppress the “truth” about the pre-Columbian history of the Americas, and he specifically claims that the Roman Catholic Church and “some elements of our government” are working to support the primacy of Christopher Columbus.
 
The historical record argues otherwise since the celebration of Columbus saw significant opposition in the nineteenth century, notably from white Anglo-Saxon Protestants, who feared that recognizing Columbus as important would embolden Italian and Spanish immigrants and cut into white majorities, since at the time “Latin” Europeans were not considered true whites. The U.S. government’s strong anti-Catholic bias is a well-known historical fact, from the politicians who were openly anti-Catholic down to the fact that John F. Kennedy’s Catholicism was a major political liability during his campaign for president, to the point that he had to proclaim his loyalty to America above the Pope. The idea of the U.S. government of the nineteenth century working hand in glove with the hated papists is ridiculous.
 
Wolter does not explain how the Catholic Church can impose its conspiracy of silence on countries that are not Catholic, including those that were violently opposed to Catholicism following the Protestant Reformation. Instead, he engages in some historical revisionism in which he attributes the founding of the United States to “my brother Masons” as part of a Masonic master plan and places himself in the role of a true American and true heir to the land, the government, and the power of the United States.
 
More ridiculous still is Wolter’s claim that the Founding Fathers were “all Knights Templar,” a claim that fails on its merits. They could not be actual Knights Templar, since that order was disbanded in the 1300s. They cannot be “successors” since there is no evidence of the Founders holding knighthoods in the Portuguese, Maltese, or other knighthood orders that absorbed the Templars. And they couldn’t have been Masonic Knights Templar because that Templar fan club emerged only in the 1780s in Ireland, wasn’t formalized in the British Isles until the 1790s, and did not spread into America until later. (An earlier Templar-inspired masonry, under a different name, fizzled out in the mid-1700s but did not spread much beyond the Germanies.)  There is, of course, no evidence of the Founding Fathers in Templar Masonic orders.
 
Wolter’s conspiracy theories reek of the worst Victorian-era anti-Catholic intolerance, and he happily embraces nineteenth century fantasies without understanding their origins or their consequences. But Wolter also alleges that the “dynastic families” in charge of the conspiracy are “very patient” and are willing to wait a couple of thousand years to put their plans into motion. I have to say, if you need to wait from Akhenaten to today to organize a government, you just aren’t that good at it. Just think of all the people they let suffer and die under tyrants because they were too slow and lazy to get anything done. What good is your eternal genius if its fruition is always coming but never arriving?
 
Halfway through the interview, Wolter discusses his family’s multi-generational involvement in Freemasonry going back at least three generations. He also speaks of the “Enochian mysteries”—the parts of Masonry derived from Judeo-Christian legends about the patriarch Enoch saving knowledge on tablets or pillars before the Flood. Although Masonry’s version is quite distorted and corrupt, it is still recognizably the Jewish story recorded in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Book of Enoch, and Flavius Josephus. (Masonry’s version is derived from medieval retellings of Josephus.) Yes, it’s the whole Watchers narrative again. They are everywhere.
 
Wolter finishes by alleging that those who doubt his wild conclusions are incapable of explaining their disagreements. “It’s never a calm, reasoned discussion,” he says, though admitting no role in escalating disagreements into hostility with his insults, both ad hominem and to logic and reason. “It’s not about me; it’s about getting the right answer. […] I’m easy to get along with! We’ll have a great time, but don’t do stupid things. I’ll push back.” Wolter, who reminds viewers that he was a football player in his youth, doesn’t quite recognize how his jock-ish banter sounds, with its implied threats woven into the superficial bonhomie. After waxing eloquent about how open he is to correction, he ends interview by nearly choking on the word “academics” as he asserts that they are all wrong and he is right.
89 Comments
American Independence
2/27/2020 08:48:17 am

More to the point, the origin of American Independence lay in the crushing of Biblical Fundamentalism, the introduction of freedom of belief marking the ongoing progress of the enlightenment - linked to the French Revolution that did a similar thing, initially crushing the Roman Catholic church and replacing it with the Goddess of Reason (Catholicism was afterwards officially restored in France). Both American and French Freemasonry were aligned with the atheistic programmes of their relevant governments - reflecting the ideals of the authentic and historical Order of German Illuminati set up by Adam Weishaupt. The German books are only now being translated into English for the first time (published by Malta Minerval Editions Limited).

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George Washington
2/27/2020 09:12:11 am

George Washington was Honorary Grand Master of the Alexandria Lodge no. 22 in Virginia that contains a chapel to the Knights Templar. Of course, there is no connection between this and Scott Wolter's theories that have their basis in the publication of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" (1982)

https://gwmemorial.org/pages/tours

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Jr. Time Lord
2/28/2020 06:51:26 am

"Holy Blood, Holy Grail" (1982) is the result of leftover espionage from world war II.

Jr. Anthony Warren
2/28/2020 10:19:03 am

It's really not.

So lonely

Jr. Time Lord
2/28/2020 06:57:59 pm

Look deeper, Junior. That BS goes back to WW II and someone's attempt to elevate the Kent family to a divine status. Similar to Islamic leaders claiming relation to Muhammad, attempts were being made to do the same with European royal families and Jesus.

Yep
2/28/2020 08:03:14 pm

That's about the intellectual level of the average Christian fundamentalist towards understanding things properly

Terry Melanson on this blog
2/28/2020 08:11:31 pm

Have you noticed that Terry Melanson is on this blog, who is responsible for making available English translations of Weishaupt's writings - have you seen Melanson's interview with Josef Wäges on his Blog where it was discussed that two of the Founding Fathers of American Independence corresponded with Adam Weishaupt - and Josef Wäges finding evidence of the original and historical Illuminati wanting to expand to Independent America?

Jr. Anthony Warren
2/29/2020 02:30:56 am

"Similar to Islamic leaders claiming relation to Muhammad"

It's like you don't understand the distinction between "related to" and "descendant of"! `Ali certainly was related to Muhammad and Muhammad's current descendants are too numerous to count. Being related to Muhammad is a pretty low bar.

It's not the same.

A concept you should be familiar with.

So lonely.

Jr. Time Lord
2/29/2020 05:54:49 am

"It's like you don't understand the distinction between "related to" and "descendant of"! `Ali certainly was related to Muhammad and Muhammad's current descendants are too numerous to count. Being related to Muhammad is a pretty low bar.

It's not the same.

A concept you should be familiar with."

No shit, Sherlock. After phone prints "descend aunt" THREE times...Frack it! Say related instead.

I've read all the books and stand by my conclusions. One brother dies in a plane crash smuggling transferable wealth and the other abdicates the throne for an American divorcee. Though all of my professors claimed he was a closet Nazi as the real reason.

I can never be lonely when I've got you.

Blah Blah from the deniers
2/29/2020 08:13:28 am

Blah blah from the deniers - never interested in the facts when the facts are against them - they tighten up

AMHC
2/27/2020 10:19:22 am

The only difference between what you just said and Wolter boils down to a historiographical approach to Modernism. It's still an incomplete view. Tupper Saucy the author of Rulers of Evil says much the same and ties it to Catholicism via Cardinal Bellarmine, a noted Jesuit. There's the disturbing allusion to Marxist reductionism with Science out of context as a the decentered subject no less - giving the lie about the engine of progress hidden in plain sight. I don't disagree with you in this NARROW WINDOW but your switching genere with no reference to which paradigm your in. Your setting up for an attack on idealism. Nietzsche warned against Nihilism he didn't ADVOCATE it. I see the potential for an abuse a philosopher accused of not having made his philosophy Universal as an excuse for the abuse of FORCE. Modernism isn't it's own reward in this case.

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Modernism etc
2/27/2020 10:32:28 am

There you go again blah-blah-blah
Formulated religious fundamentalism is no better than Scott Wolter

Jr. Time Lord
2/28/2020 06:47:48 am

"Both American and French Freemasonry were aligned with the atheistic programmes of their relevant governments"

BULLSHIT!!!

You remind me of the sneezing college girl. When I said, "Bless you" she went on an actual atheist rampage telling me "keep my blessings to myself" and "say gesundheit instead". You don't know what you're saying.

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Jr. Anthony Warren
2/28/2020 10:20:43 am

Stranger danger.

So lonely.

Hey, J.R. Time Lord
2/28/2020 11:43:46 am

You need to check out the backgrounds of the people involved independent of the propaganda promoted by the likes of David Barton and Catherine Millard.

Assuming you were serious!!

Scott Wolter Is An Idiot
2/27/2020 09:54:25 am

Why does anyone waste their precious time listening to or reading the ridiculous drivel that come from this imbecile with a Masonic complex?

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Masonic complex
2/27/2020 10:36:26 am

You meant pseudo-Masonic complex
Scott Wolter's version of Freemasonry bears to relationship to historical authentic Freemasonry which sought to democratise the world and end the influence of Church and State through rationalism

Authentic historical Freemasonry is the total opposite of Scott Wolter's version of [irrational] pseudo-Freemasonry.

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AMHC
2/27/2020 10:03:05 am

I've not even read today's post but here's Pope Francis asking his flock to give up trolling for Lent. I'm not Catholic but I appreciate him.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN20K1O7

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Kent
2/27/2020 05:08:07 pm

So I guess it's too much to hope that priests and Cardinals and residents of Vatican City will give up sodomy for Lent? Yeah, thought so.

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Billy Grab
3/8/2020 11:01:05 pm

It's impossible to hope that Kent will give up discussing sodomy or any other such activities for Lent.

Templar Linebacker
2/27/2020 10:49:37 am

Wait until jock boy figures out the modern Masonic Knights Templar are actually a by product of Jacobite Freemasonry developed by the Catholic Stewart family.

https://www.lodge76.co.uk/lectures/the_masonic_mystery_of_bonnie_prince_charlie.htm

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Templar Linebacker rejoinder
2/27/2020 12:16:27 pm

A variation of the many myths as outlined by Peter Partner in his book "The Murdered Magicians: The Templars and Their Myth"

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David Childress
2/27/2020 12:24:18 pm

Are the Masons really free, or do they hit you with hidden fees and restrictions like the Golden Coral buffet?

I need someone to rebuild my back stairs. Apparently the stone I have now can handle only so much weight.

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Homer Sextown
2/28/2020 08:11:55 pm

Is "back stairs" code for "back there" as in "up the down staircase" or "in through the out door"? Remember this is a safe space.

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Kent
2/27/2020 12:34:24 pm

First, kudos on your shorthand "the Germanies"!

In the Cthulhic grade school I attended we learned about Leif Erikson so the minions of the Church's program aren't all singing from the same monolithic hymnal.

Where Wolter and many others (first post on this page) go wrong is the Constitution as enacted did not forbid State religions and religious tests for office, only Federal. The Articles of Confederation which predate the Constitution appear not to address religious freedom at all.

"at the time “Latin” Europeans were not considered true whites." This is still the case, and officially since the first Nixon administration. Enough people of "Latin" descent identify as POC all we white folks can do is acquiesce.

"He also speaks of the “Enochian mysteries”—the parts of Masonry derived from Judeo-Christian legends about the patriarch Enoch saving knowledge on tablets or pillars before the Flood."

I wish people from Bernie Sanders to Pat Buchanan would stop saying "Judeo-Christian" and just say "Jewish and Christian". In spite of Christianity's emic self-definition, they're not on a continuum but two different religions. Jews say there are other Gods but one shouldn't worship them, and if you're not a Jew as long as you accept the Noahide Laws you're cool with the Chosen. And also oops, some Jews believe in a binitary God. Christians say there's only one God although they disagree on the minutiae. Muslims engage in taqiya and say everyone worships the same God. Leaving the question of why "God" needs worshiping for another day.

"Yes, it’s the whole Watchers narrative again. They are everywhere." To be fair, Highlander was a great TV show.

"Wolter, who reminds viewers that he was a football player in his youth, doesn’t quite recognize how his jock-ish banter sounds, with its implied threats woven into the superficial bonhomie."

I'm glad Jason included this. Jock-ish banter indeed. Wolter famously says "I know enough to be dangerous" and claims to be connected with double-nought spies and that the FBI shares information with him because he fancies himself as Danger Man. He's dangerous all right, to self and others. Nothing a stay at Club 5150 couldn't straighten out.

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Freedom of Belief
2/27/2020 02:57:38 pm

American Independence introduced Freedom of Belief to dilute any monopoly of belief - which was the opposite to what happened in France. Although France tolerated Roman Catholicism it did so for as long as it was subservient to the Republic, and this was fine-tuned by Napoleon's Concordat. But the French Republic - following several Elections that wasn't to its liking - decided to separate Church from State in 1905 whereby all religious buildings in France became the property of the Republic - and only worship within religious buildings remained the property of the Church, with Catholicism becoming regarded as a cult. America did not take things so far because there was no threat from the monarchy following Independence (there was always an alliance between the Church and the Monarchy in France). Both France and America shared the common goal of establishing democracy that was separated from (official) religious interference.


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Gusg
2/27/2020 03:58:01 pm

Thankfully, the Supreme Court put the matter to rest in the 1940’s in Everson v. Board of Education — at least in the minds of rational people who live outside the delusional, dittohead echo chamber.

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Kent
2/27/2020 04:43:17 pm

I for one am glad that the government is free to subsidize transportation to Nation of Islam Schools, Branch Davidian Schools, and Yeshivas and Madrassas.

However I'm a little unclear on what you think this decision accomplished.

Law for dummies
2/27/2020 04:57:37 pm

In the first part of the majority opinion, Justice Hugo L. Black addressed the issue of incorporation. Prior to Everson, the establishment clause, like most of the provisions of the Bill of Rights, applied only to the national government as the First Amendment explicitly states: “Congress [an arm of the national government] shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . .” Yet Everson involved a state law. The majority held that the 14th Amendment language — “No State shall . . . deny . . . liberty without due process of law” — applied this liberty to the states.

Kent
2/27/2020 05:04:21 pm

Oh my! Aren't you the smart little boy in class!

Sorry, you're wrong. It was Cantwell v. Connecticut in 1940 where the Supreme Court accepted the incorporation via the 14th Amendment doctrine.

See you at recess.

Wrong again
2/27/2020 05:56:27 pm

The Cantwell case incorporated the First Amendment's Free Exercise Clause, thereby applying it to the states and protecting free exercise of religion from intrusive state action. The Establishment Clause was incorporated seven years later in Everson v. Board of Education.

Kent
2/27/2020 07:19:50 pm

Again, wrong. You funny! Hope you're wearing your Huggies today.

"We hold that the statute, as construed and applied to the appellants, deprives them of their liberty without due process of law in contravention of the Fourteenth Amendment. The fundamental concept of liberty embodied in that Amendment embraces the liberties guaranteed by the First Amendment. The First Amendment declares that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The Fourteenth Amendment has rendered the legislatures of the states as incompetent as Congress to enact such laws."

Just because Wikipedia jumps off a cliff would you jump off a cliff too? I hope so.

<Sigh>
2/27/2020 08:21:53 pm

Your quotation proves me right. The issue presented before the court in Cantwell was whether the state's action in convicting the Cantwells of inciting a breach of the peace and violating the solicitation statute violated their First Amendment right to free exercise of religion — it did not relate to the state’s attempt to establish an official religion. Do you understand the difference?

While the dictum regarding the establishment clause could signal the court’s position regarding a future case, the issue was not part of the facts of Cantwell and it was not addressed — thus, the issue was not before the court and by definition it was not part of the holding.

In citing Cantwell, the Everson court specifically addressed this fact:

“The broad meaning given the Amendment by these earlier cases has been accepted by this Court in its decisions concerning an individual's religious freedom rendered since the Fourteenth Amendment was interpreted to make the prohibitions of the First applicable to state action abridging religious freedom. [n22] There is every reason to give the same application and broad interpretation to the ‘establishment of religion’ clause.”


This might help you avoid embarrassment in the future:

“Obiter Dictum – A comment made by the court while delivering its decision, but which is not necessary to the decision itself.”

Kent
2/27/2020 08:58:26 pm

You say obiter dictum and I say tomahto. Obiter dictum is Latin for "stuff I don't want to acknowledge." Of course Supreme Court Justices are never wrong, amirite Justice Taney?

Everson v. Board of Education
2/28/2020 01:29:58 am

Blah Blah Blah Blah

Two different religions
2/28/2020 01:35:32 am

More blah blah blah

The Apostolic Fathers only recognised the OId Testament as Scripture (which they quoted and never any Gospels) because the New Testament Canon hadn't been established and it was before the foundation of the Gospels in the second century. Established religious education is all rhubarb because it does not square with the verifiable facts. Just because the Gospels describe (alleged) events from the first century does not mean the Gospels existed during the first century - especially when no first century Christian was aware of their existence.

Two different histories of Christianity
2/28/2020 01:44:55 am

The Pauline Epistles and Acts of the Apostles. They can't both be right about Christian origins. Another example of chaos. And the letters of Paul cannot be checked for accuracy simply because the earliest extant fragments date from the fourth century.

What does this have to do with Everson v. Board of education?
2/28/2020 02:16:13 am

Why did later church officials (most likely Eusebius himself) fraudulently insert the Testimonium Flavianum into Josephus if there was already enough evidence for an historical Jesus?

Jr. Time Lord
2/28/2020 06:56:37 am

"Mark's gospel was initially written as an esoteric text which was not meant to be interpreted in a literal sense; it was actually composed as an astrological allegory of the solar hero's passage through the zodiac."

Now shut up already.

To J R Time Lord
2/28/2020 07:27:22 am

Is that your preferred opinion about the Gospel of Mark? Out of literally many other theories about the Gospel of Mark that have been introduced over the centuries?

To J R Time Lord - again
2/28/2020 07:29:23 am

You quoted Konstantinos Gravanis.
Thanks for that !!

already enough evidence
2/28/2020 07:34:25 am

>>already enough evidence for a historical Jesus<<

The nativity of Jesus is extremely historical. All very sloppily done mixing together Herod and Quirinius without realising they both fitted into different time frames. Oh yes, the fusion of those contradictions have been depicted beautifully every Christmas in re-enactments for many centuries.

Jr. Time Lord
2/28/2020 08:05:43 am

"This extraordinary study by a Unitarian minister suggests that Jesus never existed historically; he was simply a representation of an astrological theology―a representation, simply put, of the zodiac sign of Aquarius. In The Gospel and the Zodiac, Reverend Bill Darlison demonstrates that all the other signs are present too, in perfect zodiacal order. The Gospel story is not the product of historians or eyewitnesses, but an older, mystical text produced by an ancient, esoteric school as a guide to the Age of Pisces."


https://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Zodiac-Secret-Truth-about/dp/1590200373


Reverend Bill Darlison IS wrong
2/28/2020 09:12:32 am

Nothing original about Reverend Darlison's theories about Jesus Christ - the usual goofball nonsense that began with Constantin François de Chassebœuf, comte de Volney

Thomas Jefferson
2/28/2020 09:16:10 am

Thomas Jefferson was impressed by Volney's theories of Christian origins and translated his book "The Ruins"

https://archive.org/details/ruinsorsurveyofr01voln/page/n8/mode/2up

יב
2/28/2020 10:55:42 am

The twelve Shi`ite Imams
The Etruscan League
Twelve Days of Christmas
Twelve jurors
K-12 includes the "missing" constellation Ophiuchus
Twelve types of elementary fermions
Twelve human cranial nerves

I see the pattern
2/28/2020 11:04:46 am

And a human takes an average of twelve dumps every two weeks.

Thomas Jefferson to C. F. Volney, 17 March 1801
2/28/2020 11:47:13 am

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-33-02-0289

Jr. Time Lord
3/2/2020 07:01:39 am

TO J R TIME LORD - AGAIN
2/28/2020 07:29:23 am
You quoted Konstantinos Gravanis.
Thanks for that !!

This???

https://www.astro.com/astrology/aa_article151102_e.htm

Took me a little bit to find what you were talking about. This dude only presents a slice of the gist. At least he mentions the Jupiter and Saturn connection. The pattern being 12 year cycle and 30 year cycle. The numbers have CONTEXT.

Paul
2/27/2020 05:06:29 pm

I sometimes wonder if there is a specific gene coded for all out delusion. If so, Scotty has them in spades. Notice the purple pimp shirt and the extra heavy, I imagine, Freemason ring he was wearing? Wants everyone to acknowledge his royal blood.
So typical, Scotty saying all the archaeologists, linguists, runologists, scientists, historians and just about every other kind of -ist you can name is wrong and Scotty is right. What an idiot.
Scotty, you are so wrong, it would take you the rest of your life to get right.
Keeps harking back to the one comparative "analysis" he did between the KRS and a bunch of tombstones in Maine. Doesn't matter that he was comparing different material, different environment, different climate and only one sample set as well. Scotty, imho, you are the stupidest sob that walks the face of the earth.
One could go on but why bother, worse than talking to a rock.

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Jim
2/27/2020 06:19:03 pm

Different material, environment and climate aside, he faked or erred on the data about the mineral biotite being in KRS.
No one else has been able to find it.
He based his dating on the weathering away rates of biotite on the exterior of the KRS when in fact there was no biotite to weather away at all.

Whoosh, there goes his whole hard science shtick down the toilet.

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Terry Melanson link
2/28/2020 08:50:45 am

Does Wolter ever cite Manly P. Hall in his books? All the essentials are there - the Masonic purpose of America in particular - except he swaps out Hall's obsession with the Rosicrucians for his own obsession with the Knights Templar.

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Jim
2/28/2020 09:19:37 am

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/review-of-scott-wolters-akhenaten-to-the-founding-fathers-part-1

" Hall believed, and Wolter has adopted, the idea that history is a conspiracy run by a nomadic herd of immortal elites, though Wolter replaces the deathless cult leaders with self-replicating Templars. As Hall wrote in 1928, history is driven by a secret esoteric doctrine and this doctrine “has been preserved in toto among a small band of initiated minds since the beginning of the world.” This, in a nutshell, is Wolter’s mission statement."

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2019/06/america-unearthed-season-4-episode-4_25.html

"Scott WolterJune 28, 2019 at 7:47 PM
Fred,
Let’s start with this; have you read any of my books or those of Manley P. Hall? My guess is no, but if I’m wrong please enlighten me."

"I’m not going to try and sell you on why you should read Manley Hall or my books. If you haven’t read any of them and have no initiative in doing so then it makes no sense to continue a discussion about pre-Columbian Templars in the America’s."

Our Scotty also borrows strongly from from the nonsensical writings of William F. Mann

https://www.innertraditions.com/author/william-f-mann/

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Terry Melanson
2/28/2020 09:49:27 am

That's what I thought. Thanks. When his audience gets bored with Templar this Templar that, he'll make a shift to Rosicrucian this Rosicrucian that. A secret destiny/tradition carried on by secret societies is what's important. He could tie in the Bavarian Illuminati too if he was aware that they wholeheartedly subscribed to this myth. To Weishaupt and his cohorts, a secret tradition of enlightenment was directed behind the scenes by gnostics, rosicrucians and masons. The Illuminati were the direct heirs to it and they even fibbed that they were behind it all to begin with. Egyptomania was also important, as were Templars.

More Roman Catholic Rubbish Propaganda
2/28/2020 10:09:59 am

The Roman Catholics also cooked-up this rubbish about the Illuminati

https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/53/53ADD6A9C9DA06BE7D8C954FCF7BAFD4_Smoking.Gun.Proof.-.Illuminati.Planned.to.Bring.Down.Our.Culture..4.of.5.pdf

Jim
2/28/2020 10:21:29 am

Hopefully he doesn't read your post and make the jump to the Rosicrucians. lol
Lately he has been making some noise about the Cistercians being involved in all his nonsense, so perhaps they are next.

What struck me in the video was at about the 4 minute mark he indicated that the Templars didn't worship Mary but used her name as a metaphor to actually worship the "Goddess" in an attempt to fool the Catholic church into believing they (the Templars) really were devout Catholics.(which he claims they were not but were just playing the church to gain power)

After all his bloodline and Talpiot as Jesus tomb nonsense he kinda puts himself in a box. It makes no sense that they would continue revering Jesus and Mary after 1307 when he says they never revered her in the first place but were revering the Goddess.
Kinda hard to square that circle.

Illuminati
2/28/2020 10:38:38 am

How can you compare the Illuminati with Wolter, OR Manly P. Hall with Wolter.

Egyptomania
2/28/2020 10:44:01 am

Egypt was the foundation stone of Judaism, the original Jewish 40 day calendar bearing distant echoes of the Egyptian calendars.

Don't mock that which is no better than Judeo-Christianity when it comes to batty pedigrees.

Kent
2/28/2020 04:34:06 pm

"Lately he has been making some noise about the Cistercians being involved in all his nonsense, so perhaps they are next."

Actually all the way back the KRS.

Jr. Time Lord
2/28/2020 06:02:49 pm

kent is correct. The Cistercians have always been at the heart of Templar theories. SW has suspected a cistercian monk being the KRS carver. He even claimed to know the name of this monk. Then his source turned out to be Muir.

Don,t you lot here know anything
2/28/2020 06:10:51 pm

Bernard of Clairvaux was a French abbot and a major leader in the revitalization of Benedictine monasticism through the nascent Order of Cistercians.

Educating, not discussing
2/28/2020 06:14:38 pm

It's not about discussing here, but about educating

My mistake
2/28/2020 06:24:37 pm

I thought it was the Order of the Piss Cistern.

kent
2/28/2020 06:38:17 pm

"After all his bloodline and Talpiot as Jesus tomb nonsense he kinda puts himself in a box. It makes no sense that they would continue revering Jesus and Mary after 1307 when he says they never revered her in the first place but were revering the Goddess."

I haven't watched the video but Wolter would be in line with the rest of the world if he said the Templars didn't worship Mary. To be a nitpicker, no Catholics "worship" Mary. They get around it with the word "venerate". But because the Venus Family bloodline is important in his lunocracy Jesus and Mary Magdalene would have been important to them, with MM being representative of the Goddess. That's straight out of Holy Blood, Holy Grail. It's not new. I don't think he's made the connection yet but this would be analogous to the binitary God of some Jews. It's the imaginary Venus Family bloodline and Captain Purple Shirt's imaginary lineage/pedigree that makes the Talpiot Tomb an important feature in his delusion.

MM & Goddess
2/28/2020 08:06:05 pm

Nothing in Holy Blood, Holy Grail about Mary Magdalene and the Goddess - assuming that your comments are serious and sober and you are not intoxicated,

Binitarianism
2/28/2020 08:55:32 pm

Binitarianism is a Christian theology of two persons, personas, or aspects in one substance/Divinity (or God). Classically, binitarianism is understood as a form of monotheism—that is, that God is absolutely one being—and yet with binitarianism there is a "twoness" in God, which means one God family. The other common forms of monotheism are "unitarianism", a belief in one God with one person, and "trinitarianism", a belief in one God with three persons.

Binitarianism within Judaism
2/28/2020 09:02:52 pm

Binitarianism within Judaism represented obscure groups of heretics within the early rabbinic movement, according to Alan F. Segal, "Two Powers In Heaven: Early Rabbinic Reports About Christianity and Gnosticism" (Brill Academic Publishers, 1977)

Kent
2/28/2020 09:46:18 pm

"Nothing in Holy Blood, Holy Grail about Mary Magdalene and the Goddess"

Having read the book I may have you at a disadvantage.

"Binitarianism within Judaism represented obscure groups of heretics within the early rabbinic movement"

It's still around today and not considered unusual or remarkable, much less heretical.

Having read the book
2/28/2020 09:53:56 pm

I still have the first edition 1982
Page number reference relating to MM as Goddess ?

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Kent
2/29/2020 03:07:14 am

The fact that you didn't say "There's no such reference" suggests you didn't read or remember the book well. That's okay and stupid at the same time. But you didn't look at the book? Normally I charge extra for that sort of work.

I can steal from Imus now that he's dead and say "you stupid idiot".

Pages 93 and 94

\https://archive.org/details/HolyBloodholyGrail/page/n93/mode/2up/search/mary

Fucky the you.

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Mother Goddess in Context
2/29/2020 08:25:01 am

The reference is to a poem by the haphazard & incoherent thinking Philippe de Cherisey's Le Serpent Rouge where in one stanza he compares Mary Magdalen with Isis. The authors of HBHG continue to reflect on that stanza by calling Isis the mother goddess and then proceed to ask why was Mary Magdalene equated with the Mother Goddess. That's it.

Jim
2/29/2020 11:12:16 am

Kent, perhaps you should watch the video instead of just spouting off.
Wolter never said anything about Mary Magdalene, what are you going on about ?

Wolter was specifically referring to the Virgin Mary not Mary Magdalene.

He never said they worshiped Mary, he said "they embraced and venerated the feminine aspects of the Godhead".
I was obviously paraphrasing from memory and used the word worship rather than embraced and venerated.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/venerate

"venerate
To venerate is to worship, adore, be in awe of."

Kent
2/29/2020 12:51:22 pm

"Page number reference relating to MM as Goddess ?"

You asked, I gave. Fucky the you.

"Venerate" is a technical term in Catholicism which specifically does not mean "worship". Fucky the you.

Jim
2/29/2020 01:23:36 pm

"Venerate" is a technical term in Catholicism which specifically does not mean "worship".

Wolter is not Catholic, hence you are using the word venerate out of context.

"Brainiac" is a slang term which specifically does not mean "Kent"

Kent
2/29/2020 03:11:20 pm

"I haven't watched the video but Wolter would be in line with the rest of the world if he said the Templars didn't worship Mary. To be a nitpicker, no Catholics "worship" Mary. They get around it with the word "venerate"."

Completely in context.

Fucky the you.

Remember you're the guy who posts here about "Here's yet another post of mine that Wolter didn't publish." You can't get past the linebacker's screening process.

Jim.

Better Belief
2/29/2020 04:12:57 pm

Does anyone here seriously believe that Christianity is any better than Scott Wolter's beliefs. How hilarious to criticise Scott Wolter for the benefit of Christianity.

Jim
2/29/2020 04:16:22 pm

Would ??,,, if ??,,, LOL
You are talking about something you didn't even watch and lecturing us on it's context ?

Wolter, a non Catholic speaking about his supposed non Catholic Templars who in turn are referring to the equally non Catholic "Goddess" is using Catholic terminology ?

You have no clue what context Wolter meant when he used the word venerated.
Just because you decided to use it in that context doesn't mean Wolter did.

Jim
2/29/2020 04:43:08 pm

https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/america-unearthed/episodes/the-founding-fathers-secret

"Scott Wolter investigates whether an ancient unit of measurement used in the design plans of Washington, DC, created a sanctuary for people practicing goddess worship -- people like George Washington himself."

Kent
2/29/2020 05:18:49 pm

"You have no clue what context Wolter meant when he used the word venerated.
Just because you decided to use it in that context doesn't mean Wolter did."

You're gonna have to clue me in to when Wolter used the term "venerated", Skippy. If it's in a video, that means "with a timestamp". And even then I don't give a fuck about what he meant. I know what I meant, I'm not going to speculate about what he meant in this so far imagainary statement by him. Jim.

All I said was

"I haven't watched the video but Wolter would be in line with the rest of the world if he said the Templars didn't worship Mary. To be a nitpicker, no Catholics "worship" Mary. They get around it with the word "venerate"."

And you're just shooting your electro-jizz all over everyone looking at this site like you're getting back for a lifetime of wedgies and purple nurples.

Not my problem, Skippy. Jim.

Jim
2/29/2020 06:20:59 pm

Kent,,,,, Wow you really are a piece of work aren't you ?

Kent: "You're gonna have to clue me in to when Wolter used the term "venerated", Skippy. If it's in a video, that means "with a timestamp"."

You quoted an entire paragraph from my post in which i said:
"What struck me in the video was at about the 4 minute mark he indicated that the Templars didn't worship Mary but used her name as a metaphor to actually worship the "Goddess"

Kent: " I'm not going to speculate about what he meant in this so far imagainary statement by him. Jim."

Jebus, the topic of Jason's post is the Video of Wolter's interview !
That is what is being discussed !

Perhaps you should watch it instead of pulling crap out of your @ss and flinging it around like a monkey, although your comment about Wolter's purple shirt indicates you already did watch it and are just playing silly bugger.

Bye bye Kent

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Kent
3/1/2020 12:51:14 pm

Would 'twere true!

Jim. I asked about "the word venerated" and you come back with "worship" and "worshipped". Jim.

There was a time when I had not watched the video followed by a time when I had watched it. So sad that that's a difficult concept for you. Jim.

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Jim
3/1/2020 02:15:31 pm

Kent:

"I haven't watched the video but Wolter would be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and Captain Purple Shirt's imaginary,,,,,,,"

That is from the same singular post by you !

Don't @iss down my back and tell me it"s raining.

Kent
3/1/2020 03:32:12 pm

What do people usually charge you for urolagnia play? Asking for Anthony Warren. Jim.

Kent
3/1/2020 07:47:29 pm

Jim. You stupid fucking idiot.

"PAUL
2/27/2020 05:06:29 pm
I sometimes wonder if there is a specific gene coded for all out delusion. If so, Scotty has them in spades. Notice the purple pimp shirt..."

"KENT
2/28/2020 06:38:17 pm

...I haven't watched the video but Wolter would be in line with the rest of the world if he said the Templars didn't worship Mary...It's the imaginary Venus Family bloodline and Captain Purple Shirt's imaginary lineage/pedigree that makes the Talpiot Tomb an important feature in his delusion."

LOOK AT THE DATE STAMPS YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT.

JIm. But I repeat myself. Jim.

Jim
3/1/2020 08:14:16 pm

Kent: "Jim. You stupid fucking idiot."

Hahahahahaha, finding plausible deniability after you already admitted to watching the video just makes you look even stupider !
Hahahahahaha,,, Sorry Kent, no do-overs, HAHAHAHA

Kent
3/1/2020 08:31:40 pm

"KENT
3/1/2020 12:51:14 pm

...
There was a time when I had not watched the video followed by a time when I had watched it. So sad that that's a difficult concept for you. Jim."

Is my watching of Wolter's video eternal and uncreated like the Qur`an? Or is it something that hadn't happened, then did happen?

Jim, you stupid fucking idiot. But I repeat myself. Jim.

Curiouser and curiouser
3/7/2020 09:10:53 pm

It’s funny how both Joe scales and Kent resort in the final analysis to blunt name calling, When either feels as if he is being cornered in his intellectual inferiority.
Well one uses “fucking imbecile” the other uses “fucking idiot”
It’s almost as if they are brothers or....something

Kent in Lent
3/7/2020 10:20:29 pm

Indeed, profanity is the last refuge of the ignorant. But sometimes you have to talk to those ignorant motherfuckers.

Shall I say "f***"? Shall I walk up to a black man and call him "You stupid N-word"? Would that be okay? It's one school of thought I suppose.

RFM
3/2/2020 04:31:45 pm

"... And they couldn’t have been Masonic Knights Templar because that Templar fan club emerged only in the 1780s in Ireland, wasn’t formalized in the British Isles until the 1790s, and did not spread into America until later. (An earlier Templar-inspired masonry, under a different name, fizzled out in the mid-1700s but did not spread much beyond the Germanies.) "

Jason, "British" Masonic Templary did exist prior to the time you mention. Chapters of Royal Arch Masons conferred the Orders in the 1760s, at least. Records indicate that the first Templars in America are believed to have been created in St. Andrews Royal Arch Chapter, Boston. William Davis was Knighted on August 28, 1769, Paul Revere followed on December 11 of that year, and Joseph Warren Followed in 1770. This was most likely due to the ritual being spread across the Atlantic by a Military Lodge, chartered under the Grand Lodge of Ireland.

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