Muir contacted me to promote the book, and I asked her to provide me with samples of the original Latin of the diaries and/or photographs of these journals. She declined to provide the evidence. [Update: Muir disputed this in a comment on Scott Wolter’s blog. A person claiming to be Muir contacted me via Twitter on Oct. 23, and I replied via Twitter.] Apparently—and incredibly—Muir threw away the originals, keeping only her convenient translation, three pages, and a few photos. According to Muir, who described her choice to dispose of and bury the journals in an undisclosed location in a now-deleted Facebook post, the books she had were copies made during the Civil War (the American one, I assume) to protect their contents. There are, apparently, no medieval originals to be had. Uh-huh. Now erstwhile America Unearthed host Scott F. Wolter, a longtime Sinclair conspiracy theorist, has posted to his blog the introduction he wrote to Muir’s translation. It is every bit as bad as you might imagine a number of amateurs reinforcing their mutual fantasies might be. For our purposes, I am going to assume that the documents are fake because… well, because no one has provided evidence to the contrary and all signs point to fakery. But I am also taking this position to show that the claims Wolter makes can equally or better be explained by forgery. Wolter rightly begins by expressing his doubts about the journals’ authenticity, but things take a swift turn when he wrongly concludes that experts from dozens of fields would be necessary to fake the information found in them. Worse, though, is that Wolter claims to have spent two years personally vetting the journals with Masonic Grand Master Terry Tilton, neither of whom possess the requisite expertise. Wolter, for example, does not read the Latin in which Muir says they were written. How one could vet texts written in a language one cannot read, I hesitate even to speculate. Both Terry Tilton and Scott Wolter have had flattering pedigrees of their supposed exalted ancestors prepared and published by Muir. According to Wolter, the journals reflect with uncanny accuracy conspiracy theories about the life and beliefs of Henry Sinclair that were not part of the historical record and only developed by inference in the middle and late twentieth century. Amazing! The Scottish Templars led by the Sinclair’s traveled to the “Western Lands” numerous times including Earl Henry’s father, William Sinclair II, who made the trip a total of seven times himself. Impossible to comprehend at first glance, the idea of frequent trips to North America becomes all the more plausible given the “Cremona Document” tells of Templar voyages coming to North America as early as 1179. It seems a hoaxer would be more conservative in the number of trips knowing the context of currently accepted beliefs of historians that the Templars no longer existed in the mid to late Fourteenth Century, let alone ever made it to America. The fallacy here was the idea of no pre-Columbian European contact has no factual supporting evidence and numerous documents, artifacts, and sites found in North America directly refute this erroneous narrative. Wolter flatters himself that this apparently hoax was written to fool historians and not him. The mention of goddess worship, a new innovation added to the myth of Henry Sinclair in the 2000s by Wolter and his circle, marks this as a fairly obvious hoax. So far as I can find, there is no mention of Sinclair in connection with goddess worship before about 2004, and even then it was symbolic, not literal. Full-blown goddess worship claims seem to emerge from Wolter’s television series and related book after 2012. The further description of Sinclair as having found primitive Freemasons among Templar descendants in America marks this as a derivative of Wolter’s own speculations, for he developed this particular idea after 2013, further narrowing the window for hoaxing.
The journals also conveniently record Sinclair’s impressions of Antonio and Nicolò Zeno, the Venetian navigators and supposed authors of the hoax Zeno narrative (actually written by a descendant two centuries later). The journals further provide a record of the thirty men who took off to the interior of America to carve the Kensington Rune Stone, itself widely considered another hoax. What luck! What chance! Templars, Zenos, and the Rune Stone! My, that Henry Sinclair was so perceptive, a veritable eyewitness to hidden history. A shame, then, that he left no comparable records of his official acts in the actual records of his life surviving in Europe. “Only a deeply knowledgeable person on a team of hoaxers could insert these aspects into the entries in such convincing fashion,” Wolter writes. “Beyond myself and very few others, we know of no others who understand the complicated Goddess ideology of the Templar leadership.” Unknown to Wolter, he answered his own question: To create such a hoax, a hoaxer need only copy directly from Wolter’s own books and blog posts and radio rants. That he cannot see his own fingerprints only shows that the hoax most likely was designed with him in mind as its target audience. Wolter’s details about his vetting do not inspire confidence. He claims to have read the English translation—by Muir—and to have seen a photograph of one page of one journal. He claims three original pages, which he believes are copies of copies, still exist—though in comments below his blog post, he says he handled all of the journals and has photographs he will not share. Wolter claims that checking the content of the journals failed to turn up matches with known figures or extant European records. Bizarrely, he claims that this is evidence of authenticity. “This begs the question of how and why a forger would make up so many names of people known to exist and others we can find no record of. That we still have many questions about these individuals actually supports authenticity of the documents.” No, no, no. The forger more likely made up names because she (or he, I guess, since Muir claimed on Facebook to be the recipient of the journals from what she originally thought was a hoaxer) was making things up and did not have access to European archives, such as church baptismal records, grave markers, legal papers, and other surviving documents that might have provided a better cover. I expected to see Wolter explain what exactly he did to vet these journals. What facts did he check? What records did he use? For example, a place to start would be to compare the journals’ account of Henry I Sinclair’s life against the surviving documentation of his whereabouts. Do they align? Similarly, if he was involved with the brothers Zeno, how does this square against Venetian records showing that one of them was in Greece in 1392 and in Venice in 1394, where he was on trial. He also lived to 1402 while the hoax Zeno narrative has him in Greenland in 1393 and dead in 1394. These are fairly big problems that should be among the easiest places to start vetting the text. I also expected to see a discussion of the Latin. Given that Wolter is ignorant of it (he uses Google Translate), one might have expected him to ask an expert to review whether the Latin was (a) correct and (b) correct for the fourteenth century. Is the orthography consistent with the date? What exactly did he do for two years? Wolter only says that he will present information about this “in the future.” One might have expected that the publication of the journals would have been the time to present evidence for their supposed authenticity. But then I am not a fringe historian, so what do I know? According to Terry Tilton, writing in his own foreword to the book, presented on the volume’s Lulu.com sales page, his contribution involved searching “Masonic archives” for the names found in the journals. This strikes me as ridiculous since the Masons did not exist at the time and had nothing to do with Henry I Sinclair. They did not become involved with the Sinclair family for at least a century. He claims, contrary to Wolter, that many of the names (at least from the later centuries for which records exist) match extant records. A third person involved with the situation two years ago, according to Muir, was Wolter’s former partner in the Xplrr media company, whom I have elected not to name for reasons obvious to regular readers. This piece of information clears up some of the questions about the dramatic and paradigm-busting revelations that Xplrr promised two years ago but, as of this writing, did not deliver. From Wolter’s description, it appears that the so-called journals are a pseudo-historical fantasy designed to support a fringe view North American history, which just so happens to also be in the particular variant championed by the translator’s favorite TV host. That is truly an amazing coincidence, is it not? Wolter suggests that the proof of the journals’ authenticity will come from excavating sites listed in the journals for evidence of Sinclair occupation.
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Riley V
11/3/2018 09:21:49 am
Clearly there is no honor among forgers and plagiarists.
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Eirik Sinclair
11/4/2018 02:31:20 am
** 2500 BC Crete - Temple of Knossos
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Eirik Sinclair
11/4/2018 03:01:07 am
Oh yeah I forgot...
American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/4/2018 10:11:25 am
And THAT ^ made it through Wolter's screening process.
Joe Scales
11/5/2018 10:31:24 am
I liked him better with the semblance of seriousness. Now he might as well be Pops with his smartest guy in the world impression.
Hal
11/3/2018 09:40:53 am
Self-published author Jason continues to make his living by doing nothing original and claiming to have the ability to translate anything in any language. Your mom needs to turn off the WiFi to get you out of her basement.
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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
11/3/2018 10:48:04 am
It's like saying The DaVinci Code proves Holy Blood Holy Grail.
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Jim
11/3/2018 11:01:40 am
Wolters nonsensical idea that the more it appears like a fake proves it isn't a hoax, because a hoaxer would never make it look so much like a hoax is comedy gold !
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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
11/3/2018 11:38:23 am
I imagine Diana Muir shaking her head and doing a little jig after that first phone call from Wolter. "Got him!"
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Jim
11/3/2018 12:05:03 pm
Muir seems to be a big Pulitzer fan, how does he fit in ?
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Machala
11/3/2018 12:06:55 pm
I wonder if Scott's linguistic non-skills in Latin are confined to Liturgical Latin or include Latin Vulgate ? Or if he even knows the difference ?
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Jim
11/3/2018 12:12:30 pm
Wolter would take Latin Vulgate to mean swear words.
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Teresa Parker
11/3/2018 12:40:21 pm
Uh? isn't Jason Colovito self published? Not a good argument guys. Apparently Jason's work is worth a 'real' publisher publishing either? I'd say read it before you judge. Mine is on order and when I get it will do my own research. Just as you should.
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Jim
11/3/2018 01:22:27 pm
Come on now, why would you believe her without being able to check her sources ?
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11/3/2018 01:22:50 pm
My books were published by Prometheus Books and McFarland, and I am currently closing two deals to place forthcoming books with larger publishers. I self-published a few classic reprints, anthologies, and collected blog content that would not be of interest to mainstream publishers.
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Hal
11/3/2018 07:41:28 pm
But you are still accurately described as self published. You have self published a lot more than you were paid for. Any publisher willing to issue anything by you isn’t doing it because your crap would sell. You are a self absorbed, narcissistic snob who knows he’s an imposter. That’s why you delete so many posts that criticize you. Lots of us see through you.
AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
11/3/2018 08:08:03 pm
Hal, Jason is very lenient about deleting posts. He doesn't for instance maintain the tight editorial control of a Wolter.
Dan
11/4/2018 06:14:39 am
Precisely WTF is wrong with being self-published these days.
AmericanCool"disco"dan
11/3/2018 01:23:37 pm
As I said in another thread Wolter's endorsement is itself an indicator of fraud. My research is done.
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Thrashed to death for years
11/3/2018 01:40:27 pm
Rosslyn Chapel is dead, dead, dead.
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Eirik Sinclair
11/4/2018 11:36:39 am
The Rose line Chaps are fading but not dead, dead, dead just yet.
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daniel hoffnagle
3/5/2022 08:24:40 am
Do you know if the Templar's or Munks who traveled with them carried a sacred rock... I believe that was suggested by Workers regarding the Newport tower. I also came across a photo of an old...1600s etching showing Munks mixing powders to make philosophers stone...and in the background as if a timeline a templar is holding up to the sky looking through (obviously translucent) a glass like stone which looks to be something naturally formed or possibly it is supposed to have fell down from the heavens. Any thoughts on this?
Eirik Sinclair
3/5/2022 02:36:08 pm
A Templar carries two stones. One from his mother, and one from his father.
Eirik Sinclair
3/6/2022 03:34:39 am
Powdered mix of sand, soda ash, limestone. Heated makes glass.
Eirik Sinclair
3/7/2022 02:15:40 am
A Philosopher's Stone is a vertebrae from the spine. Philosophical scholars figure out how one thing connects to the other things. If these things can be connected, their philosophy is correct. Book scholars, in many cases, examine a single culture and come up with a theory that they expand on. Much of the time, if book scholars were to investigate how the culture came into being, or what it evolved into... they would discover their theory is incorrect because the circumstances that create a cycle would not logically connect under their theory. Thus, a vertebrae symbolizes continuity... which is a symbol of being correct.
Crash55
11/3/2018 03:22:23 pm
If they know where the “originals” are buried why not dig them up? At a minimum check to ensure that they paper and ink are consisting the Civil War era.
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Craig Johnston
11/5/2018 11:54:02 am
It's all good.
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Jim
11/3/2018 03:26:23 pm
From Wolters Blog:
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Jim
11/3/2018 03:44:51 pm
Muir: (from Wolters blog)
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11/3/2018 03:56:42 pm
She contacted me via Twitter, and I responded via Twitter. Generally, I respond using the same method someone uses to contact me.
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11/3/2018 04:01:17 pm
It is of course possible that the Diana Muir who contacted me on Oct. 24 was not the one in question and was someone posing as her to promote the book.
Mike Morgan
11/3/2018 03:44:19 pm
My, my, my. Even with all her degrees, advanced degrees, and self promoting herself as being a historian and anthropologist with no degrees as such, she apparently has trouble with reading comprehension.
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Crash55
11/3/2018 04:05:45 pm
Providence needs to be more than just saying they were passed down through many generations. Need proof they existed at the time they are claimed to be written and then chain of custody. The fact that she claims they were copied over during the Civil War makes any claims about them being older than that suspect with out proof.
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Bob Weaver
11/3/2018 04:22:57 pm
I’m sure this all a big misunderstanding. There must have been a well documented discovery process with credible cross referenced validation through other scholars tracing and confirming provenience and provenance. The applied methodology and analysis results must have then followed that validate the claim about the age and material context of the documents. In turn, there must have been a team of professional linguists from accredited institutions working collaboratively to author a review publication in a reputable journal after peer review. Lastly, the securing of the documents with proper archival treatment surely took place with a legitimate museum or university or government agency. Let’s clear the air here; where can I find all this? Oh wait...I see she’s a lone wolf beyond reproach Mormon genealogist who emailed Scott Wolter.....ahhhh now it makes sense.
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Crash55
11/3/2018 04:28:03 pm
Yes the rules of normal scholarship do not apply to her. Though I don’t see “Mormon genealogist” being an exactly a tough title to achieve. Just slightly harder than having Walter reply to an email where you confirm his ludicrous ideas
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Ken
11/3/2018 04:44:32 pm
As historical "researchers" get lazier and lazier, history will become shorter and shorter. By 2100, I predict all recorded history will be less than 50 years old.
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Crash55
11/3/2018 05:14:16 pm
The problem is anyone can call themselves a "historical researcher." These days all you need is an email and maybe a blog.
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11/3/2018 05:46:23 pm
It doesn't matter who the researcher is but rather the quality of the research.
Crash55
11/3/2018 06:30:52 pm
True. However the low barrier to entry means that we are seeing more and more people without the proper training to conduct good research. As you have pointed out before most of these people can't read the original languages and are not relying on primary sources. What is worse is that they often make statements that imply that they are using properly vetted sources
Eirik Sinclair
11/4/2018 11:58:00 am
You show a skeptic five dominoes that are standing in a line. It is clear that the one labeled 1 will hit 2, 2 will hit 3, and so on.
Baffled
11/3/2018 06:05:53 pm
when material is not vetted, it can only be stated as a supposition. What hurts all of this, is that books coming out by Wolter, Muir and others now using this shabby type of research hurt the other people who are truly doing good work with presentable facts. That said, it could easily be listed under Fiction.
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Dave Brody
11/3/2018 06:33:36 pm
Jason, you are just as guilty of bending the facts and obfuscating the truth as are those you criticize. You write that Nicolo Zeno was "in Venice in 1394, where he was on trial," and therefore could not have been sailing in the North Atlantic. But you know full well, having read "Irresistible North" by Andrea di Robilant, that Zeno was tried in absentia in Venice. You can be a real pedant when it comes to facts that support your argument, but somehow those same facts become irrelevant when they don't help you.
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11/3/2018 07:03:55 pm
That book came out seven years ago, Dave, and even my prodigious memory can't recall every fact in the hundreds of books I've read since then. The author says in passing that he was tried in absentia, but he provides no reference for this. Few other sources say he was not present, which accounts for why I have no memory of what is literally two words in "Irresistible North." It isn't terribly important, though, since the same author said that he went into exile on Murano and wrote his will in 1400. There is still no match to the Zeno narrative.
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HAL
11/3/2018 07:48:38 pm
Well you just proved his point. Facts don’t matter when they don’t help you. Go back to moms basement hypocrite. 11/3/2018 07:54:34 pm
A "fact," Hal, may be true or false. I am concerned for truth. The author provided no primary source, and since other authors disagree, I can't render a judgment on the truth of the assertion without a primary source.
Dave Brody
11/3/2018 10:21:43 pm
That's exactly my point, Jason. You are often wrong with your facts. Perhaps you should stop throwing so much shit against the wall hoping it will stick. 11/4/2018 06:49:32 am
I think you meant to direct that comment at Scott Wolter, Dave. But to your point: The author didn't provide any evidence to distinguish whether he had records to prove the trial was in absentia or whether he concluded that because he believed Zeno to be in Greenland. Without evidence, I can't do better than to follow the general consensus among sources, some of which are more recent. I'm happy to correct the facts if you have a primary source that can confirm the claim.
Dave Brody
11/4/2018 09:36:51 am
I call bullshit, Jason. It's not about just two words or even about your "prodigious memory." The reality is that di Robilant’s entire book calls into question your assertion that the Zeno narrative is a fake. You didn’t “forget” it, you just chose not to disclose it. Like those on the political right you claim to abhor, you bend evidence and alter and misrepresent facts to fit your worldview. You are not an impartial observer, you are a zealot. Look carefully in the mirror. You will see those you abhor staring back at you. 11/4/2018 12:21:57 pm
The book, David, is not as convincing as you imagine, but its absolute authenticity is not entirely relevant to the subject under discussion here, which is the Sinclair journals. Even if you assume that the Zeno Narrative is based on fact, you run into the wall that the younger Zeno admitted to reconstructing much of it from memory after destroying the originals. At best it is a memory, with all the errors of memory. To that end, it is difficult to ascribe to it more than a description of a trip to Greenland, which is of no particular interest for our purposes. A journal that confirms the details that are speculative even by their author's admission, has a high burden of proof to overcome. 11/4/2018 02:11:51 pm
I checked the sources, and while "Irresistible North" provides none, those who cite primary sources offer a different interpretation. Andrea da Mosto's 1933 work on the Zeni, "I navigatori Nicolò e Antonio Zeno," one of the only works citing original sources, says (in italiano) that Zeno was in Venice in 1392, on trial for embezzlement in 1394, and writing his will on August 1, 1400. Da Mosto argued that we "may well identify [him] with that Nicolò Zeno who appears to have been a ducal counselor in the first half of 1393" (my trans.). This considerably narrows the time available for him to have engaged in the fantastic voyage that supposedly resulted in his 1394 death in the story. Regardless of whether he was physically present in the courtroom, there does not appear to be enough space in the records for him to have sprinted off to Greenland and back. I believe this represents more effort spent than any of your friends have offered to actually check the facts.
Dan
11/4/2018 10:40:18 pm
Ya know what, Hal?
Jim
11/4/2018 01:42:41 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/books/review/book-review-irresistible-north-by-andrea-di-robilant.html
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Doc Rock
11/3/2018 07:36:33 pm
Nothing in terms of "providenced" and authenticated artifacts produced thus far to support the assertion that Templars, or anyone else besides the drop in by the L'Anse aux Meadow folks, were traipsing throughout North America during the Middle Ages. Yet they think that sites identified in the journal will produce data proving the authenticity of the journal and associated claims. Stay tuned for the upcoming breaking news about the discovery of an in situ broadsword, chainmail, and horse bones on the outskirts of Podunk USA
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E.P. Grondine
11/4/2018 09:29:17 am
@Doc -
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Eirik Sinclair
11/4/2018 09:53:06 am
You aren't taking into account evolution. Much of the Oriental written records come from places not in the Orient. Time is skewed given the records talk of history in other places.
Doc Rock
11/4/2018 03:17:46 pm
EP,
E.P. Grondine
11/5/2018 01:19:15 pm
@Doc -
Doc Rock
11/5/2018 01:31:14 pm
Then you might see a problem with asserting that the "archaeological community" (which ranges from Ivy League white folks to Native Americans working for the federal, state, or tribal agencies) ignores Native American oral traditions.
Jim
11/5/2018 07:20:16 pm
"The Gaints of the Ho Chunk" has best seller written all over it !
E.P. Grondine
11/5/2018 07:27:08 pm
@Doc -
Doc Rock
11/5/2018 09:24:11 pm
So we are moving a bit away from the narrative that the archaeological community ignores Native American oral traditions then?
AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
11/3/2018 09:31:25 pm
Wolter posts to himself posing as someone else?
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11/3/2018 09:56:21 pm
The Hitler Diaries forgery ran 60 volumes. Clearly it is possible to create an elaborate hoax.
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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/3/2018 10:12:50 pm
I fear you missed the bigger point of Wolter posting under his account and signing someone else's name. 11/3/2018 10:31:14 pm
I didn't miss it. Wolter sometimes posts from his own account messages he receives from his friends who don't / won't / can't post themselves. It wasn't really a big deal since it was signed. Think of it like sharing a quote.
Mike Morgan
11/3/2018 10:24:09 pm
"Wolter posts to himself posing as someone else?"
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AMERICAN COOL "DISCO" DAN
11/3/2018 10:32:50 pm
I know he's a real person. Look at the page and tell my why he's posting under Wolter's name.
Jim
11/3/2018 10:34:51 pm
What he is getting at, is that Darwin Ohmans post has Wolters name and photo at the beginning of the post, signifying it was posted by Wolter his own self.
Mike Morgan
11/3/2018 11:12:05 pm
Oops! Well then, never mind. I stand corrected. I'll be playing my age card now. :>)
Eirik Sinclair
11/4/2018 09:40:27 am
Zeno the philosophers -
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Charles Verrastro
11/4/2018 11:45:40 am
I seem to be the one to be pedantic about inconsequential or niggling points. But there was an English Civil War (1642–1651), which would fit the supposed original's historic source, although why the copy could be dated to either event era without forensic or paleographic evidence (or a simple Colophon) escapes me. Why not 1900's (or 2000's?). Not an argument however for the authenticity of what is clearly a modern Oera Linda Book (or name your favorite forgery).
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Doc Rock
11/4/2018 12:01:57 pm
Someone familiar with the Barzaz Breiz.
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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/4/2018 12:15:06 pm
I wonder if Ms. Muir buries all her trash or just the hoax stuff. As has been said it makes the story tailor made for our Scott. She decided on her own that they were a hoax then she decided on her own that they were not a hoax. She's really got Wolter fooled.
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An Anonymous Nerd
11/4/2018 12:42:54 pm
I posted with a list of assumptions someone would have to make to believe in any of this, and pointing out that all of them would require proof by themselves, let alone all together.
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Jim
11/4/2018 01:28:18 pm
Did you post under An Anonymous Nerd ? Wolter will want to see ID.
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An Anonymous Nerd
11/4/2018 03:58:33 pm
What if I told him I was heir to the Templars?
Jim
11/4/2018 04:55:14 pm
Wait,,, Diana Muir did your family history as well ?,,,Lol.
An Anonymous Nerd
11/4/2018 11:04:20 pm
He let it through and he responded -- can't really say his response was substantive or satisfying but....Well, he's on television, and I am not, and he strikes me as the sort that would be full of himself even if he weren't a celebrity. So I consider it remarkable that I got into the comments at all.
Jim
11/5/2018 11:24:06 am
Often Wolter can be relied to say something blindingly stupid or bizarre, like his claim that Jesus Christ was a Templar.
Doc Rock
11/5/2018 12:16:45 pm
Your comments to Wolter and his response is a good illustration of the concept of fractal wrongness. The guy is screwed in the head at every level on this issue but acts like anyone who challenges him on it is an idiot.
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E.P. Grondine
11/5/2018 01:26:30 pm
@Doc
Doc Rock
11/5/2018 01:44:17 pm
I honestly believe that you honestly believe that. Let's leave it at that.
American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/5/2018 05:26:07 pm
"As long as most moder sceptics (including Jason) keep pretending that Richard Kieninger is at the heart of the modern Theosophist cult archaeology industry, this nonsense will continue."
E.P. Grondine
11/5/2018 07:46:09 pm
This is not question of "belief".
American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/6/2018 12:21:57 pm
"And as long as Native Histories are ignored, they will be replaced by made up nonsense of one type or another."
Lyn
11/4/2018 02:26:30 pm
many of the comments on this item produced in me a desire to howl 'provenance' over and over while banging my head on the wall.
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Frank
11/4/2018 09:10:36 pm
In the world of story telling, there are two types of people. One type are those that invent stories, and the second type are those that discuss those inventions.
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Jim
11/4/2018 09:24:33 pm
Wow, you don't believe the Vikings came to America, despite all the evidence ?
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Eirik Sinclair
11/5/2018 03:02:33 am
FRANK,
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EAGLE FEATHER
11/5/2018 03:15:39 am
Indians didn't wear feathers until later in their history. It was the Mediterranean people who put feathers in their cap. Columbus didn't have any feathers, and he and his friends were embarrassed by it, so he intentionally brought disease to America to wipe out the Americans. It was a plot to get the last remaining people on planet earth to stare at a brick wall and sing to it. Oh, those stone brick alien Kronans. They fell out of the Starship Enterprise and now we have to stack them into walls to so as to imitate their native habitats. Oops... I just remembered I'm late for work. Got to go!
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Cosmic Conscious
11/5/2018 09:13:33 am
People. In a place 'where no one had gone before'. How can that be? The ice bridge! That's it, the ice bridge brought them here. Wait... there isn't any ice in the Caribbean. Ooh, I know, I know. They were abducted by Jean Luc Picardo, and brought over just before the alien spacecraft crash landed in Europe. Yeah, yeah, that's it. The wreckage was found in Rozwell, Old Italy.
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Jim
11/5/2018 11:48:43 am
One has to wonder, who is responsible for these fake documents. Both sets of supposedly collaborating documents seem to be targeting gullible old ladies who already were drinking the kool aid. (Halpern and Muir) What are the connections here? Pulitzer ?
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FAKE INJUN
11/5/2018 01:35:22 pm
Have to throw this one out there...
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Waste of time
11/5/2018 01:37:46 pm
This is all a waste of time because the Rosslyn mob has been quiet for years now.
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FAKE INJUN
11/5/2018 01:44:47 pm
Which mob do you represent?
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Kal
11/5/2018 04:07:05 pm
What does Muir doing a genealogy search have to do with anything now? We know Ancestry and other similar sites are run by the Mormons in Utah. So?
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Joe S
11/5/2018 04:30:40 pm
Off topic:
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Crash55
11/5/2018 04:42:54 pm
I would expect to see it on AA within a season or so. It is what they like best - something that can’t be proven because it is no longer within our reach
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Bezalel
11/5/2018 06:29:34 pm
Pretty sure they already did, if briefly this summer.
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Jim
11/5/2018 07:11:21 pm
Sounds like the work of time traveling Templars from the future.
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Charles Verrastro
11/5/2018 09:36:28 pm
Jim
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Jim
11/5/2018 11:26:44 pm
Lol, not surprising that something even as asinine as that isn't an original idea from Wolter.
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Jim
11/5/2018 11:46:14 pm
Jason has a 3 part review about Manns Book,,,Templar Sanctuaries in North America: Sacred Bloodlines and Secret Treasure, with a foreword by Scott F. Wolter of America Unearthed.
Kal
11/5/2018 10:22:50 pm
A guy named Jesus? Or a time traveler Jesus from 2,000 years ago went to Templar times and did this? The Mormons like their later day notions, so maybe he's that time traveler Jesus, and there are buried treasure tablets somewhere under a run stone covered rock in France bearing the name, Jesus, time traveler and templar.
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An Anonymous Nerd
11/6/2018 07:30:55 am
Almost always, to be honest I'm not sure I should include the "almost" anymore, the "mainstream" explanations are simply better. They have more actual evidence, as opposed to speculation. They have more analyses grounded in understanding of what you're looking at, as opposed to "looks like, therefore is." They require fewer assumptions, and of course each assumption is also a separate premise that requires proof that is lacking.
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Frank
11/6/2018 09:05:50 am
Hey Nerd! says the intelligent thinker, you cannot, "universally", group everyone. Although I do not claim to be one of them, intelligent wise, but taking the liberty to speak for the "intelligent" Atlantis "people", "hypothetically" speaking, we are to consider as a different "animal" those very-scientific Atlantis researchers, and "their" hypotheses based on Historical-Critical methods. Which we are assured, by the sources themselves, that this very historical-critical method is as good a science as any of the mainstream scientific methods for any discipline. And that also goes for the translation of the Atlantean language, which seems to be really closely related to Italian-American English, if we use the Templars own Rosetta stone; Kensington Rune Stone, decoded: Vikings, Templars, and Goths in America in 1362 before the Italian Columbus of 1492, who was a descendant of the Atlantean King Italos, so says Historical-Critical science.
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COSMIC CONSCIOUS
11/6/2018 09:24:14 am
Mainstream views are 'mostly' appropriate. But in regards to history they 'almost' always take a tangent away from the truth.
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COSMIC CONSCIENCE
11/6/2018 09:44:10 am
When the nuclear chariot of the 39% reaches the upper class, then a new civilization is constructed.
American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/6/2018 11:51:36 am
"There is no such thing as race, there are just people who categorize themselves as a race."
COSMIC CONSCIOUS
11/6/2018 12:34:43 pm
Exactly, but in reverse.
Joe Scales
11/6/2018 03:28:56 pm
Apparently, if politics is your bag, Mexican is a race...
American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/6/2018 03:45:54 pm
You keep saying "There is no race" but then you keep talking about race. Go Occupy something.
Julie
11/6/2018 10:00:24 pm
The ads for this Muir book went out on Facebook on Oct 29 or so.
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Joe Scales
11/7/2018 10:18:44 am
I do wonder if Wolter regrets not jumping aboard the Oak Island hoax. But who knows... perhaps he tried and wasn't offered a feature. The irony is that it is Geology that dispels much of the treasure lore, and if Wolter ever actually wanted to do real geology, he could put the continuing lies in regard to flood tunnels to rest.
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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/7/2018 05:25:57 pm
My personal opinion is that he'd be all over anything that gives him camera time and run his stupid facemouth. 3/12/2022 05:15:49 pm
I think the anatomical area he us thinking of is the coccyx, commonly called the tailbone. Where all his pain in the ass 'truth' come from.
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