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Scott Wolter Doubles Down on Portuguese Hooked X; Steve St. Clair Reveals "Proof" of His Templar Connection

2/2/2015

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As always, Mondays are a bit of a time crunch for me, and this Monday is made worse by the endless snowstorm that has had me out shoveling every few hours to try to keep up with the massive accumulation. I’ve run out of places to put snow, and the piles I’m shoveling into are now nearly as high as I am!
On his blog on Saturday, Scott Wolter doubled down on his claim that a Gothic (or blackletter) Roman numeral X in a Portuguese church is a “Hooked X®,” even though the photograph he posted clearly shows that the letter conforms exactly to blackletter style, with a thick line from the upper left to lower right and a thinner line from upper right to lower left, terminating on both ends with a curved “hook” representing the mark needed to start the ink when drawing the character with a quill on parchment. When asked how one could distinguish a “Hooked X®” from your run of the mill blackletter X, Wolter replied: “The one above that Janet found in Portugal is stylized for sure. However, it is the extension of the upper right arm creating the "v" at the top that makes it a Hooked X. The stylizing makes it easier to hide the symbolism and leave open plausible deniability.”

In other words, it’s only a Hooked X® if and only if Wolter declares it such! Otherwise, even experts could easily mistake it for being exactly like all the other blackletter X’s!

Don’t believe me? Let’s take a look.

Here is Wolter’s X from Portugal, which I have highlighted to show the letter more clearly, including the “hooks” on both the upper right and lower left staves. Note, too, that similar hooks and flourishes appear on the other letters of the inscription.
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Wolter's photo of the X
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Carving highlighted for clarity.
Here is the text of John 1:3-5 from the Santa Barbara Bible, written around 1250 CE—around the time of the Portuguese inscription—and now at the J. Paul Getty Museum in California. Note that many of the letters have flourishes and hooks in the blackletter style, and that the “x” in “lux” has the distinguishing “hooks” on the upper right stave each time it appears. 
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A clearer example of how this blackletter “X” appears can be found in the San Francisco Examiner logo, which displays—A HOOKED X®! Or, actually, a blackletter X that nearly any blackletter typeface based on medieval scripts will produce.
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But all of this pales before Steve St. Clair’s latest claim, providing the “proof” he promised but failed to deliver on America Unearthed that the Sinclair family is intimately involved with the Templars through the Priory of Saint-Martin-des-Champs in Paris. It was… underwhelming.

St. Clair claims that modern DNA studies and genealogical research show that the Sinclair family had members who married members of other families, who in turn provided money for the medieval construction of the priory during the Templar period. He therefore claims that all of the people who funded the priory’s construction as a “superfamily,” and that the Sinclairs are part of this superfamily through marriage.

This is roughly as much “proof” as the fact that Barack Obama and George W. Bush are distant cousins, which naturally puts them in a conspiracy, too. It is no surprise that a small, insular group of nobles interbred over centuries in the search for suitable brides and building alliances. This proves no conspiracy or connection, though, any more than the fact that Holy Roman Emperor Otto II married a Byzantine bride named Theophanu somehow “proves” that the Byzantines were “involved” in a century-long conspiracy to create the Teutonic Knights. In fact, it signifies the exact opposite of close involvement: The marriage sealed a peace treaty to keep the two rival empires out of each other’s way, though Otto ignored this in trying to annex Byzantine Italy. Anyway, the point is: shared DNA does not suggest a shared conspiracy.

St. Clair still has no evidence that members of the Sinclair family were active supporters of the Knights Templar or served in the Order. It remains a matter of record that members of the family testified against the Templars during their trials. 
98 Comments
CHV
2/2/2015 07:23:52 am

Serif? What serif, your honor?

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Steve StC
7/21/2019 01:06:21 am

Jason, You're such and exceptional jerk. You arrogantly word your very last sentence, your big final statement.... drum roll.... "It remains a matter of record that members of the family testified against the Templars during their trials."

If you did any research at all, if you ever did any real research beyond the first page of the Google results you find using your sweaty keyboard, you'd have found that our family also testified ON THE TEMPLARS BEHALF. But of course that doesn't fit your mission here: to bend the facts to fit your preconceived notions.

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Statey
2/2/2015 07:24:54 am

The "HOOKED X®" in the San Francisco Examiner logo proves without a doubt that the Freemasons founded San Francisco and all modern Freemasons are homosexuals.

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CHV
2/2/2015 07:28:48 am

FYI - Dick Cheney is a distant cousin to Obama, not Bush. Although any word that either like to flash M-shaped gang signs at family reunions is still unknown.

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Matt Mc
2/2/2015 07:32:02 am

So does that make Cheney and illegal Alien also? :)

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EP
2/2/2015 07:41:23 am

Jason said: "It remains a matter of record that members of the family testified against the Templars during their trials."

Steve St. Clair should be more careflul around the Sacred Bloodz crew. Nobody likes a snitch ;)

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CHV
2/2/2015 07:46:00 am

Pretty much the only thing missing from Wolter and Steve's would-be sequel to TDC are shadowy agents chasing them throughout the streets of Paris trying to shut them up with a bullet.

EP
2/2/2015 10:15:25 am

This should be made into a SNES platformer! :)

Minod
2/2/2015 06:16:44 pm

Although Scott is pretty convinced that a shadowy cabal of bloggers, academics, the US Forest Service, the National Parks Service, the Smithsonian and the Minnesota State Archaeologist are chasing him through cable tv and the internet, trying to shut him up with reason.
Not quite as exciting though, no matter how many minisubs and backhoes he uses.

Matt Mc
2/3/2015 12:09:52 am

I read on Wolter's Blog that he wants to explore the shroud of Turin. I wonder how upset he is going to be when the Vatican rejects his request to examine it. You know because they let everyone else examine it.

EP
2/3/2015 02:09:38 am

Matt Mc, why do you feel compelled to engage in viciously anti-Catholic hate speech? :P

Matt Mc
2/3/2015 02:21:28 am

Being born and raised Catholic and having had to endure 8 years of catholic indoctrination oops I meant education I think I have earned the right to mock the Catholic church.

Only thing I ever gained from my Catholic upbringing was learning how to perfect daydreaming while being forced to sit countless hours in church, the art of lying and fabricating in confession (something everyone does and the irony of it all is not lost) and a sheer hatred on Nuns (who at my school were some of the meanest most evil corporal punishment loving child abusers I have ever ment, if there is a hell than the ones I delt with surely will be spending their days in Dantes ninth circle). I also learned that the best way to indoctrinate someone is to beat the living shit out of them and they will start believing out of fear.

Thankfully none of that bullshit worked on me and it made me a better stronger person for having endured that crap.

EP
2/3/2015 02:27:52 am

Whoa, I was merely joking about the recent spat of anti-anti-Catholic trolling...

Hope I didn't upset you man...

Matt Mc
2/3/2015 02:36:13 am

No not all all, My childhood was not very different from many other Catholics I know, different locations same bullshit.

Gotten a lot better for newer generations since the church frowns upon corporal punishment now for the most part.

I just wanted to point that all out because there are some that believe that speaking out and against the Catholic church and pointing out it hypocrisies is blaspheming. They are wrong, while not all Catholics are representative of my experiences the institution as a whole endorsed and embraced these practices and they are and were wrong in doing so.

So I will speak out against the church and continue to do so, freely and with a clear mind. There is nothing I have ever seen in my life sadder and more damaging than what I saw the happened to my classmates or what happened to me, and it was all committed as something God wanted or commanded.

So screw that and screw that god. I

(Sorry for going so far off topic Jason)

BKF
2/3/2015 01:30:43 pm

No one shall point out extremist hate speech on this blog, lest he be swiftly censored and the bigot promoted.

EP
2/3/2015 02:00:11 pm

Hey, BKF

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blpedophilepriests.htm

BKF
2/3/2015 02:28:42 pm

ER I am sure your vile and disgusting link will get you a pat on the back from this blog.

EP
2/3/2015 02:51:47 pm

Vile and disgusting link? I must have linked to your mom's sex tape again... :)

Jason Colavito link
2/2/2015 07:49:23 am

It's both Cheney AND Bush!

http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/obama-and-bush-are-cousins/?_r=0

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L Bean
2/2/2015 10:04:09 am

It's like a group of aliens trying to figure out a planet they've never been to, with their only guide being The Da Vinci Code. So, the aliens have no actual tool with which to decipher our world, only some mumbling and chanting and chicken scratch, with no reliable linguistic or cultural information, period.

Gothic script, WUT'S THAT? These humans must be hiding something from us.

But seriously, the Wolters and the St Clairs are only a reflection of several generations of coddling by the US public schools and the resulting informational void being filled by Hollywood. Americans are end up being educated by things like The Da Vinci code. And tasting 'information' for the first time in addictive. It's how we evolved as a species, after all.

Anyway, Wolter even admitted on his blog he wasn't interested in any of this stuff until the book came out.

These sort of shows don't even get me riled up any more, they're just too dirge-like.

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EP
2/2/2015 10:10:16 am

"the Wolters and the St Clairs are only a reflection of several generations of coddling by the US public schools and the resulting informational void being filled by Hollywood. Americans are end up being educated by things like The Da Vinci code."

If only it was that simple. Unfortunately, people in countries with what appear to be much more sound educational systems are just as (if not more) susceptible to popular pseudoscholarship.

"It's like a group of aliens trying to figure out a planet they've never been to, with their only guide being The Da Vinci Code."

This is actually a great way of putting it!

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L Bean
2/2/2015 10:20:39 am

True, it's a global thing, but only in the US is it a TV show(s). So what used to be the domain of htf subscription newsletters written by fringe obsessives has become dinner-table discussion for Mom and Pop. It does take a certain type of populace for these dilletante-led fluff-fads to emerge, imo.

EP
2/2/2015 10:22:13 am

"only in the US is it a TV show(s)"

Is this really true? I'd be surprised if it was. (UFO stuff is definitely on TV in a number of countries, at least...)

L Bean
2/2/2015 10:26:45 am

Yeah UFO stuff on its own maybe, but this hybridized mishmash of every debunked Victorian-age supernatural rumor and hoax is definitely an American thing.

EP
2/2/2015 10:30:43 am

Do you remember a blog Jason wrote a while about about David Wilcock's appearence on that stupid Russian program? It reaches *way* more households than anything on H/H2...

L Bean
2/2/2015 10:42:01 am

Yeah isn't that the Convergence guy? More of an empty new-age schtick than anything else, no? I'm not really familiar w his whole history, but I wouldn't classify these new-age, The Secret, etc types as Wolters, idk maybe I'm wrong. Both ends of the quack spectrum do rely on profound ignorance, but the Wolter-types also rely on fear and paranoia as an essential quality in their target demographic.

I feel like it's a different game but maybe it's just a matter of taste, like preferring NASCAR to the opera.

spookyparadigm
2/2/2015 11:00:14 am

For a number of years in the early 2000s, there was an entire channel (whose name escapes me at the moment but it should be googleable) on cable in Latin America that was dedicated to the paranormal. I mean, openly dedicated, not stealth dedicated like History and H2, or partially like Discovery and Animal Planet and Travel Channel and SyFy. Furthermore, paranormal topics are more likely to be found in Latin America on tv news, though I'd suggest less likely in Latin American newspapers than in US or British papers.

I don't think there is anything particularly American about having paranormal TV. What you will see is the flavor of that TV being influenced by select audiences and political atmosphere. So in Russia, you'll see support on RT and elsewhere for conspiracy theories that make the West look bad. And in the US, if you can throw some Genesis-friendly giants, end times prophecy, or claims of a lost white civilization in North America, you'll be able to buy all the tea you'll ever want.

EP
2/2/2015 11:03:48 am

"Fear and paranoia" is what's behind most Russian television these days :)

EP
2/2/2015 11:09:59 am

Any country with nationalist inferiority complex is bound to give substantial TV time to all kinds of pseudohistory.

Latin America and Eastern Europe are more likely to have UFO/paranormal stuff.

Western Europe and East Asia are partially spared due to TV marketplace being more tightly regulated.

spookyparadigm
2/2/2015 01:24:30 pm

The channel I was thinking of was, I want to say, Colombian in origin, but it was aimed at the broader Latin American market. And it's woo was not particularly nationalistic. A significant section of it was mediums and healers. Much of the rest was like the old school UFO "documentaries" History Channel used to run, before everyone did nightvision "reality shows."

It was the channel, Infinito, and it was based out of Argentina, not Colombia (I watched it in Central America).

http://www.c21media.net/lat-am-paranormal-net-breaks-into-us/

The channel still exists, but around 2011 or so it switched formats to rerunning mostly American reality tv shows not focused on the occult.

EP
2/2/2015 01:36:38 pm

Yeah, I meant the countries with nationalistic woo to be a distinct category. Places like Turkey or Russia or India...

Crash55
2/2/2015 11:08:21 am

Walters is old enough to come from the generation before the U.S. schools started coddling everyone. He is more a product of everything is a conspiracy generation.

The popularity comes from the Internet. The net has made it really easy to find people with your same beliefs. In the old days you generally only had access to the accepted history at your school or library. Now you can find the crazies just as easy. We are all on this page because we wanted to see Walters debunked. I am sure there are similar pages lauding him and no overlap between the two sites

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Jonathan
2/2/2015 10:23:48 am

AU season 1 is now on Netflix, so there may be another surge of interest in coast articles.

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Jonathan
2/2/2015 12:42:34 pm

*those older articles,, not coast.

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Only Me
2/2/2015 11:32:38 am

Well, I went to Scott's blog found this interesting response to a commenter's question about his handling of the KRS:

"I did take a core sample out of the back of the stone. The subsequent petrographic work I did was invaluable in determining the significant weathering/age of the inscription. It helped prove the authenticity.

At the time, the consensus was the KRS was a hoax. Therefore, obtaining a core sample from the back side of the stone meant there was nothing to lose and everything to gain. In this case, it turned out to be a Home Run.

The "discoloration" from molding the KRS myth was a rumor put out by my disgruntled former co-author as a way to try and discredit me after our break up. I was not the person who made the mold which did no harm to the KRS.

No, this is not true."

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EP
2/2/2015 12:52:39 pm

I believe Scott Wolter. He is a person of unquestionable integrity who would never try to downplay his own wrongdoing :)

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Only Me
2/2/2015 03:19:23 pm

Too bad Scott doesn't want to talk about this:

richardnielsen.org/PDFs/RSM_Staining_Report%202010.pdf

I mean, the photos are quite telling. Oops.

Clint Knapp
2/2/2015 03:56:07 pm

Didn't Scott's "close personal friend and professional colleague" deny Wolter had taken any pieces out of the rock in one of his more recent rants?

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scot link
2/2/2015 12:32:15 pm

I don't know if Jason ever posted this so sorry if it's redundant.If you go to www.richardnielson.org he has all the reports and reviews that completely shred SW's BS. Nielson has posted the documents, if anyone's interested it's actually quite interesting and amusing. Especially the garbage that he throws around about all disciplines agree and that Nielson doesn't have any proof to back his claims.

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Joe Scales
2/3/2015 05:38:42 am

I liked the report where Nielson basically claims that staining the KRS with the rubber material will make any subsequent dating analysis difficult at best.

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Only Me
2/3/2015 06:00:10 am

Thanks for the site, scot.

I haven't read through it all, but as you can see below, I've already found some rather enlightening stuff.

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scot
2/3/2015 02:52:07 pm

No prob! figured you guys would enjoy. Be sure to check out the review of Wolter(2011) Report of Digital Microscopic Examination. Truly shows the depth of his dishonesty and utter lack of scruples or integrity.

Joe Scales link
2/4/2015 02:46:57 am

Another good site, which not only leads to some of Nielson's work, but Williams as well, is: http://runicstudies.org/

Considering it's a leading organization in field of study of runes, you'd think typing in "wolter" in the site's search engine might pull up something. Go ahead... have some fun.

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lurkster
2/2/2015 03:26:36 pm

"It was… underwhelming."

I couldn't get past the super family schtick, so I'm going to take your word for it.

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Mark E.
2/2/2015 03:26:51 pm

Does being a member of a Templar superfamily convey upon you some sort of super powers? Do you get hooked x-ray vision? I suppose walking on water would come in handy if you wanted to make your way from Scotland to Oak Island.

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EP
2/2/2015 03:33:16 pm

If Scott Wolter and Steve St. Clair have taught us anything, it's that the greatest superpower is friendship :)

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Mark E.
2/2/2015 03:57:31 pm

Does that make them Super Friends or the X-Men? I feel like I must have missed out on a lot over the last week or so. Is there a bidding war going on between DC and Marvel for the rights to the Hooked X?

Clint Knapp
2/2/2015 03:58:14 pm

My two-year-old niece could tell you the same thing; she watches My Little Pony too ;)

Only Me
2/2/2015 03:34:48 pm

Although this is a link to Prof. Henrik Williams's review of Scott's book /The Hooked X: Key to the Secret History of North America/, I highly suggest everyone reads it. It definitely helps to explain the ridiculous interpretation Scott made concerning the "Hooked X" that was "discovered" in Portugal.

http://richardnielsen.org//PDFs/ESOP%20v27%20p139%20Review%20of%20Wolter%20Book%205pp.pdf

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EP
2/3/2015 02:49:47 am

"Wolter's basic method is to locate as many Xs and crosses in as many different places as possible and to tie these to the Medieval monastic order of the Knights Templar"

LOL

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Tracy Pearson
2/3/2015 12:23:45 pm

Only Me, thanks for the link to Henrik Williams' excellent article about SW's book! That was very refreshing to read.

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Dan
2/3/2015 02:22:17 am

I'm curious about what it is that caused such a pathological inferiority complex in Steve St. Clair that he has to invent such fantasies and travel far and wide to chase them -- just to have a little feeling of self-validation.

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EP
2/3/2015 02:28:52 am

Well... If I were a Freudian... ;)

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Joe Scales
2/3/2015 04:44:17 am

I think it's clear why Wolter can only consort with the likes of Butler and St. Clair. No other true academic will tolerate him. Even Nielson, who wanted to believe in the authenticity of the KRS, couldn't follow Wolter down the path of dotted R's and Templar conspiracies. Professor Williams' distaste of Wolter's intellectual dishonesty is clear, and working with him might have been Wolter's best hope ever of gaining credibility. So I don't believe anyone with any shred of academic promise is going to go near Wolter at this point. Heck, I'd even suspect that attorneys who have to deal with him as an adverse expert witness on matters of building material are finding a plethora of potential voir dire to question both his competency and veracity in his outlandish, contradictory and unproven claims.

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Cathy Anderson
2/3/2015 09:27:23 am

If I were one of those opposing attorneys, I sure would. Eventually he'll be so discredited that no one will want to call on his services.

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EP
2/3/2015 09:35:47 am

I very much doubt anyone ever will after AU and all the revelations concerning Wolter's dubious competence and honesty.

Matt Mc
2/3/2015 09:38:48 am

I have to agree that he buried that bridge once he started making his claims. I do however think he knew that going into all this and that he made a decision well beforehand that his days as a expert witness were over.

Joe Scales link
2/3/2015 06:34:53 am

Here's a blast from the past:

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Documents-may-prove-ancient-runestone-fake-1141999.php

In defense of the KRS being authentic, Wolter actually made the following charge against those embracing the Larsson papers as "another example of people making snap decisions. They've made up their minds and went looking for evidence for it." Almost spit coffee out my nose reading that one.

Of course these days, he considers those relying upon the Larsson papers simply as furthering a Masonic conspiracy....

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Only Me
2/3/2015 06:52:33 am

Interesting, isn't it, that he would hold a grudge against Richard Nielsen, but, he excuses Henrik Williams by alleging that he's under pressure from the Swedish establishment and is afraid for his career.

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scot link
2/3/2015 02:57:40 pm

It's probably because Neilson forced him to pay the royalties that Wolter tried to cheat him out of. On Neilsen's site there are a bunch of lawyers letters to Wolter. Explains a lot.

I would think that between his fake Masters degree and the ensuing lame attempts at explaining away, his idiotic and farcical ideas he really wont have much of a career when AU has a stake put in it's proverbial heart. Of course he can live off his wife's book royalties.

Lurker Uncloaking
2/3/2015 01:18:57 pm

"...the piles I’m shoveling into are now nearly as high as I am!"

Seems you had a prophet;s moment, eh?

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Lurker Uncloaking
2/3/2015 01:19:13 pm

"...the piles I’m shoveling into are now nearly as high as I am!"

Seems you had a prophet;s moment, eh?

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Only Me
2/3/2015 02:46:09 pm

Truth, BT, BKF, even Tricia. How many nom de plumes will one troll who, in all likelihood, isn't even Catholic, use to continue to stir up unnecessary drama? And why is it always this blog that has to deal with such immature stupidity?

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EP
2/3/2015 02:52:10 pm

Yeah! Immature stupidity is my job! ;)

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BKF
2/4/2015 12:47:43 am

Unnecessary drama? So you feel that persecution of Catholics is acceptable?

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EP
2/4/2015 03:26:10 am

I feel that your parents need to take away your internet access.

Only Me
2/4/2015 05:42:04 am

No, I do not. I also feel baseless accusations of persecution against other commenters are also unacceptable.

Matt Mc shared his personal experience; he was called an asshole. Truth shared his personal experience with a "black kid"; although, that comment was deleted, I remember it, so is he/she an asshole, too?

If you consider *any* criticism, any joke, any remark that doesn't paint the Church in a positive light as bigotry, well, I've got some bad news: you are intentionally looking to be offended.

That's why your comments are being deleted. They have nothing to do with this blog post and everything to do with your persecution complex. Here's some more bad news: being unable to accept that others will not share your belief system is also bigotry. Think about that before you comment again.

EP
2/4/2015 05:46:31 am

Also, one of you assholes impersonated me as attributing highly offensive views to myself and Jason and I assure you that it's not something you're going to get away with.

Jerky
2/4/2015 11:05:55 am

I have seen no one on this blog persecute Catholics. And I have been seeing all the deleted postings. What I have seen is some Catholics getting bent out of shape over other commenters posting there own experiences with the church that do not fit within there own little world view of the church, and start crying "bigot, hate speech, blasphemer!" and go on to persecuting those they profess are persecuting them selves.

Petrucci
2/3/2015 09:41:53 pm

Hi
I'm new here and new to Wolterism. Never heard of him until this past weekend when I stumbled across his two final episodes on H2. His sloppy research and slipshod conclusions take your breath away. But my experience with AU began with confusion -- a confusion only abated by the realization of what he is actually doing and where he is coming from.

But I'm still confused about a major point brought about by this blog topic, namely the discovery of the hooked X on a pillar in Tomar, Portugal. On this blog and also on Scott Wolter's, there is the claim that Janet (his wife?) discovered the hooked X where one stave is thicker than the other which mimics gothic script. However in the last episode of AU, it is Scott's brother who makes the discovery -- and the X looks completely different. Both staves are of equal thickness and there are little feet on the staves top and bottom. It is no hooked X. Yet the X portrayed on this blog and Wolter's blog show the version with the thicker stave. I have yet to see a still picture of the version I saw last weekend where both staves are of equal thickness -- actually thinness. And of course the discrepancy of who discovered it: Wife Janet or Brother Steve.

Could someone explain this to me. What am I missing?

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Only Me
2/4/2015 05:47:08 am

I think it's the same letter; it just looks differently depending on the camera angle. Janet allegedly found it, so Scott and Steve incorporated its "discovery" during filming.

FYI, Steve is not related to Scott.

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Byron DeLear link
2/4/2015 10:44:48 am

"FYI, Steve is not related to Scott."

Well, at least not recently. ;) "How old is our most common male ancestor? A new study indicates that the guy scientists call "Y-chromosomal Adam," or "Genetic Adam," walked the Earth around 209,000 years ago."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/28/y-chromosome-adam-men-ancestor_n_4653736.html

Hope all here are doing well! Haven't said much lately, but still checking in and enjoying the commentary and even the dust-ups, no matter how predictable!

Cheers Only Me, EP, Matt MC, Spooky and everyone else.

EP
2/4/2015 01:58:56 pm

They're blood brothers ;)

Petrucci
2/4/2015 02:49:51 pm

Thanks for your response.

Sorry, but I find the camera angle explanation unconvincing. It is my firm recollection -- and my memory is fallible (except when recollecting "ex cathedra" ^_^) -- that the "hooked X" was portrayed differently in the AU television show. A different camera angle would not account for the curls versus little "feet" at the ends of the staves and the obvious different stave thickness. I was watching the program through my DVR and "rewound" that portion of the show several times in order to note that it was truly not a hooked X as Mr. Wolter claimed. I wish I had "recorded" that snippet so that I might take a photo of it for posting. The issue is actually trivial, Wolter's conclusions are fatuous, and I won't waste my time in tracking down my perceived discrepancy. It will be just one more of life's little mysteries I can live with.

Just to let you know, I engaged in a bit of a "debate" with the Great Wolter on Twitter (@RealScotWolter @OtavianPetrucci) the weekend his season finale aired. I didn't mean to harass him, but he kept saying things which required correcting. Some of his comments and those of one of his admirers directed at me surprisingly revealed an antipathy for the Roman Catholic religion. I don't know where this antipathy comes from -- whether he has become frustrated by the Church prohibiting him from accessing certain religious sites or whether he has issues stemming from bad experiences from childhood or whatever. It is also obvious that he has little to no knowledge of Christianity or its history, limited experience with Western religious art, and only a slight appreciation for science. He is the living embodiment of the dictum that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. He focuses on the science of the 16th - 17th centuries reveling in the numerology and astrology of that era. At one time astronomy and astrology were one science; but since the 17th century, astronomy has moved on. Wolter and his "disciples" are still stuck in the 17th century or earlier using only the critical thinking of that period which was more mystical than experimental. Where might he get such views presented without sheer derision? On H2; it is only history after all, and even that is questionable.

Clint Knapp
2/5/2015 01:39:12 am

Scott's Anti-Catholicism doesn't necessarily derive from any bad experience or prior wrong-doing on their part. In fact, I haven't seen any evidence he's actually been turned away from any of the sites he pretends to investigate.

It simply stems from the fact he believes in a Holy Bloodline (which he believes his friend Steve St. Clair to be a part of) and the Roman Catholic church does not. Bloodline conspiracy theories and Anti-Catholic sentiments go hand in hand. He'll say anything to support his laughable, frail, and often downright racist brand of Templar/Bloodline idiocy, and the Catholic Church makes for a good target for all of his ire since they disbanded the Knights Templar; who he believes represent an unbroken chain of Bloodline-protection and goddess-worship by way of some truly disturbing leaps in logic, New Age tomfoolery, and the fine old art of making shit up.

Check out some of Jason's AU reviews, or his review of Wolter's "Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers" book sometime. If you think you've seen the depths of the man's unscrupulous bullshit so far, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

EP
2/5/2015 01:59:55 am

I actually don't think Wolter is maliciously anti-Catholic. He is just ignorant. "Whatdoyamean Jesuits aren't just an evil cabal?" type of stuff.

With its pageantry and its history, the Catholic Church is the perfect antagonist for conspiracy narratives. Hell, lots of actual Catholics believe all kinds of stupid bullshit about Catholicism.

Harry
2/4/2015 11:34:57 pm

Despite all of Steve St. Clair's pathetic attempts to bait Jason, I will give him this: he is honest about the genealogical evidence, including of his own ancestry. In fact, while I agree that Steve goes too far in drawing implications about Templar connections, his demonstrated scholarship is worlds above anything Scott has shown.

On the other hand, consider this: Philip IV, the man who destroyed the Templars, married Queen Joan I of Navarre the eventual heiress of Hugh, Count of Champagne (actually, a descendant of his brother), the man who Steve credits with founding the Order. Philip himself was descended from Hugh's sister (who married King Louis VII) and Joan's uncle married Philip's aunt. Therefore, if any members of the French royal family made donations to St. Martin des Champs while the Templars were in business, it would make Philip IV himself part of the Templar superfamily by Steve's reckoning.

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Matt Mc
2/6/2015 12:03:43 am

Harry,

I think you missed all the threads that were hijacked my the Sinclair family where other Sinclair were claiming the Steve's genealogical study was highly flawed and reached false conclusions.

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Matt Mc
2/6/2015 04:23:14 am

my = by

Harry
2/7/2015 12:32:20 pm

Matt,

You are correct that I have not seen the thread you mention (and do not know where that thread is). And I agree that his ultimate conclusion - that families that were related to each other and contributed to St. Martin des Champs during the Templar period are also connected to the Templars - is wrong. That is, in fact, the gist of my point about Philip IV. And I have not done an independent analysis to determine whether his research is truly accurate.

However, I do recognize many of the surnames in his alleged superfamily and nothing he said about actual genealogical relationships sounded unreasonable. I was particularly impressed by the fact that he made distinctions between relationships that were proven, those that were merely "likely" and those that he regarded as "myth."

Even if his genealogical research turns out to be wrong, that does not mean that it is dishonest and it still seems much better than scholarship I have seen from Scott Wolter. Of course, the latter is a low bar for Steve to hurdle.

Matt Mc
2/8/2015 03:33:41 am

I am not sure which of the blog entries was one of the few that St.Clair and other members of the Sinclair family had the long arguments but they are on here somewhere. Perhaps someone more patient and better at searching than I can point them out. One of the key points that fueled the argument was the St.Clair himself had no direct lineage to the Sinclair family.

I do know that years ago I and a few others questioned him about a chart on his website that has his lineage going back to 10,000 bc or something like that, He said it did not and was just illustrating DNA studies but the chart did show the Sinclair line separate from others.

As for his honesty and maturity, this blog is full of his childish antics and accusations of racism, slander, and tons of other stuff. I personally think he is a childish and immature person who lacks common sense and integrity. While Wolter has shown some similar behavior based on the interaction of both on this and other blogs and websites, I think Wolter is a far more mature intelligent person. St. Clair is just a childish wanna be bully who cannot even troll others successfully.

Only Me
2/8/2015 08:56:00 am

Ask, Matt Mc, and ye shall receive.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/wacky-claims-from-reader-mail

Harry
2/12/2015 03:09:29 pm

Thanks for the link, Only Me.

If he was called out for claiming to be related to Henry Sinclair, that might explain some of his apparent honesty in the post to which Jason linked above. I must admit that I have not been following that blog, so he could have been outrageously dishonest on other occasions.

And thank you, Matt, for engaging with my comments. I actually agree with everything you said about Steve's conduct on this blog. Indeed, that was what I meant when I wrote about his "pathetic attempts to bait Jason."

I was basing my compliments entirely on what I saw in that one article he wrote on Templar superfamilies, but only with respect to the genealogical facts, not about Templar connections. And now, I wonder if I was being too kind to him.

Ed
2/5/2015 06:47:56 pm

I wasn't sure if this has been brought up yet, but I think people should know what happened between Scott and his former colleague Richard Neilson:


http://www.richardnielsen.org//PDFs/The%20David%20W.%20Koehser-File%20on%20Financial%20reports%20due%20Richard%20Nielsen%20from%20Scott%20F.%20Wolter..pdf

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Dora
2/7/2015 07:04:01 am

Of course it is black letter x! No one even needs to be a paleographer to see it clearly.

Problem is pareidolia, and seeing patterns in random visual data, without proper cognitive selection. Extremely limiting if one wants to be a more serious researcher. If capacity for logical thinking can be trained, I wonder how the tendency to pareidolia can be diminished by work with the mind. Any ideas? Training in cognition and crtical thinking? I am not pathalogising it, as many people have this tendency to some extend, pareidolia I mean.

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Dora
2/7/2015 07:50:31 am

The entire text on the stone is in a form of black letter, why should x be not included in it?

Looks also like roman numeral 10, and it is quite possible it is 10. But both guys are not even interested what the text reads! Paleographers are not so difficult to hire.

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Petrucci
2/7/2015 08:30:00 am

I wax cynical on this topic. If enriching yourself or furthering your career is dependent on you seeing things which aren't there, you will see them.

Dora
2/8/2015 06:44:13 am

Petrucci, you may be 100% right! Sure, people can invent stories like that, see stuff, no pareidolia involved.

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Sinclair
2/8/2015 06:32:54 pm

NOT QUITE A FULL DISCLOSURE.....

Full disclosure: I, Steve St. Clair, am NOT a direct male descendant of the Herdmanston Lineage of the Saint Clair family. They show the P310 SNP and I have L193, meaning we don’t share a male ancestor for about 4,000 years. However, I have strong evidence that I descend from a female member of the Herdmanston St. Clairs in the early 13th century.

Should read I Steve StClair am not related in any ay to the Sinclir family of Herdmanston or Rosslyn

Also P310 SNP dn marker is like 5000 years or more old and in no way shows Sinclairs of Herdmanston and Mandeville are in any way connected than any of the other hundred or so surnames that have the same marker.

Now its a female member connection LMAO

ALL HOGWASH

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Jerry
2/10/2015 11:47:14 am

I have not read all of these comments but have any of you ever heard of the "marrano or mason hand gesture?" I was doing a little research on this hand sign that is supposed to represent the M for Mary. Check this out. http://www.pseudoreality.org/westside.html try doing a search for marrano gesture.

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EP
2/10/2015 01:14:42 pm

NB: The post above links to a website spreading really vile anti-Semitic NWO-style conspiracy theories.

Jerry, are you an anti-Semite yourself, or do you just link to them without proper context?

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Jerry
2/10/2015 02:34:01 pm

No, actually I am not an anti-Semite. As I stated in the comment I was simply doing some research and noticed the term "marrano gesture." The link was supplied to show all of the instances of the use of the M hand gesture. That website just had all the pictures in one spot to see. There seem to be many portrait type pictures associated with known historical figures. I thought someone here might find it interesting to see so many instances of the hand sign. I think I made it obvious from my comment that I stumbled across the term through my search and that I had never heard of the term before. Actually I think Scott Wolter is a crackpot and I don't believe any of this crap. So.... that being said... Are you an internet troll that tries to get a reaction from people by twisting their comments into a context that suits your goals? I can see you are a veteran to this thread so another possible assumption I can make is that you let this subject consume your life to the point that your insecurities are remedied by picking on someone new to this thread.

EP
2/10/2015 03:51:00 pm

Read the website you posted. It says some pretty nasty (and false) things. Here, for example:

http://www.pseudoreality.org/the_cousinhood.html

DA Hodgson link
12/8/2017 12:36:43 am

I notice a lot of commentators of the Holy Grail and Knights Templar mysteries fail to research or admit or know the existence of family history or other forms of historical records. Ancient noble families, such as Sinclair or St Clair, keep their own historical records outside of censored history books in schools and public libraries. These family histories are handed down orally and in symbols called Heraldry, because written words have never been reliable, due to censorship and book burnings.

True stories are always very complicated and have multiple angles to look at them from and multiple versions from witnesses standing at even more different angles. History is never only one layer or one person’s view or version of events. Civilization and its also didn’t just land on the books a few hundred years ago. It is very ancient, more than tens of thousands of years, and has many many layers. The same goes for the Knights Templar.

The Knights Templar were builder knights responsible for the Gothic cathedrals still found around Europe, including Roslyn Chapel in Scotland, featured in the Da Vinci Code. Roslyn Chapel was financed by the Sinclair clan. All Knights Templar were nobles, all European nobles are related by blood, and records have always been kept of these relations since there were royals.

The Templars would not have built Roslyn Chapel for the Sinclair Clan unless there was a strong family connection. To cut several books short, it is simply how royals did things back then, from of thousands of years of tradition. That it is not public record or you do not understand the custom, does not mean that it is not true or does not exist.

How to cross reference all of the above is in symbols, Heraldry, much more efficient and reliable than written history books. Every noble family has its own symbol or set of symbols called Heraldry. These symbols tell us which family or clan or clans a person belongs to or is descended from. It can also tell us what military regiment they serve in and they ancient ancestors from thousands, even tens of thousands, of years ago.

Heraldry is the code that the Da Vinci Code spoke of, the code that royal are supposed to have learned since children, which they do, though not all to expert level. The reason Heraldry is not taught in schools today as a language is because Heraldry tells a different version of history to what is in school and university history books.

This may sound like a Da Vinci Code conspiracy, but it is actually simple politics, to do with the annexing of Israel from Palestine. But that’s another story. My point in this moment about Heraldry is you can use Heraldry symbols to track the Templars to the Sinclair Clan and find they were intrinsic to each other.

I am an art historian and my study is the symbols of Heraldry and Secret Societies in art and architecture. I have just published a book called Coded History Haight Ashbury that decodes the Victorian houses with some surprising alternative history results. Web site with more info at http://CodedHistory.com Get the book at http://www.blurb.com/b/8374797-coded-history-haight-ashbury


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SINCLAIR
12/8/2017 02:17:15 pm

Here are the Sinclair DNA pages through Family Tree DNA....these are PUBLIC pages open for anyone to see. This shows all the different Sinclair lineages or different types of DNA within the Sinclair family...or shall I say group!

The Ancestral Sinclairs are recorded in the Yellow starting at A2 and down.

Steve StClairs dna line starts at the light Blue Group 12 Alexander Sinkler 1698 immigrant and down

Clearly and once and for all proving by way of his own DNA that Steve StClair is in NO WAY related to the Sinclair Family of Rosslyn,Caithness or Orkney

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sinclair?iframe=yresults

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