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Scott Wolter: Jesus Conspiracy Is Centered in France

4/18/2014

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It’s Good Friday, so what better day to explore whether Jesus really died on the cross and rose from the dead? Scott Wolter did an interview with evangelical Christian author Karla Akins, who supports his findings despite disagreeing with his conclusions because in conspiracy culture what counts is your opposition to mainstream academia. In the interview he confirmed his belief that the Gospel narratives of Jesus are a conspiracy designed to hide the truth. If you remember Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers, he follows Ralph Ellis in believing that Jesus reigned as the king of Judea, as well as having been trained as the high priest of Amun, and sojourned in India to take training with Buddhist monks.
Among the highlights, Wolter told Akins that he is no longer an atheist but has “learned to accept” that some aspects of life he “cannot explain or fully understand.” This burgeoning spirituality coupled with previous atheism has helped him to seek out a different form of spirituality behind the façade of conventional Christianity.

To that end, he now believes that “the Tucson Lead Artifacts were made and left as ritual offerings by a Roman-Jewish party from what is now Southern France.” This is despite the fact that the artifacts state in mangled Latin that the people left from, and I quote, “Rome” to travel to Calalus. The reason for this is rather obvious: He also believes that the “mystery” of Rennes-la-Chateau is legitimate. Obviously, this is all connected to medieval myths that Mary Magdalene lived and worked in the area around Marseille and Aix, which will be a major focus of the upcoming season of America Unearthed.

That legend traces back to a bit of myth-making by the monks of Vézelay, who wanted to attract donations by claiming to have the relics of Mary Magdalene. Originally, the story was that Mary’s bones had been carried from Ephesus, her traditional resting place, to France, much like the bones of other saints. But by the time Sigebert of Gembloux wrote his Chronicon in 1111 CE, the story had mutated so that the living Magdalene had sailed for France (all the more glorious for France), though he recognized that the earlier tradition was still well-known:
A persecution having arisen after the stoning of Stephen proto-martyr, Maximinus, one of the seventy disciples of Christ, crossing to Gaul, took Mary Magdalene with him. Furthermore, he buried her body in the city of Aix, over which he presided. Verily, the city of Aix was despoiled by the Saracens, so the body of Mary herself was transferred by Gerard, count of Burgundy, to the monastery of Vézelay, which had been constructed by him. And yet some people write that this woman rests in Ephesus, having no covering over her. (my trans.)
This is the earliest literary reference to the myth of Mary Magdalene living in France.

Wolter, however, prefers not to deal in primary sources and instead simply accepts later Catholic legendry about Mary’s life in France at face value. He does not, for example, seem aware of the competing (and older) legend that Mary’s bones were removed from Ephesus and taken to Constantinople by Emperor Leo VI. In fact, Wolter takes the very lack of earlier evidence as proof that the Catholic Church is evil, as he told Akins:
What drives me to get this story out is because the factual evidence I’ve seen so far says it is the truth.  I also believe the world has been negatively impacted by the financially and spiritually corrupt nature of the Roman Catholic Church.  They convey the wrong message of what Jesus and MM [Mary Magdalene] were really teaching; that the individual doesn’t need a human conduit to get to their Creator.  They can do it themselves and this is what threatened the power of the Roman Church so they created a different story that became patriarchal and vilified woman.  Largely due to 1700 years of their spiritual domination it has thrown the world horribly out of balance, most notably by over-population.  I want my descendants to inherit a healthy planet and believe the ship is now beginning to turn around by this truth coming out.  I also think the vast majority of people in the world can handle the truth.
Note that Wolter confirms again a point that I made last week in evaluating his views as a classic conspiracy theory: he suggests a millenarian vision whereby his revelation of the real truth about Jesus will contribute to conditions that will cure overpopulation, heal the earth, and create a paradise of gender equality. Millenarianism is one of the key traits that separates the simple advocate of a single unusual belief from the conspiracy theorist. If you obsess over whether the Newport Tower, for example, is a Portuguese cod-smoking facility, you aren’t likely to see this as leading to a spiritual utopia; but if you see anomalous artifacts as part of an interdisciplinary conspiracy tied to deep-seated pagan truths, then you are more likely to view them as stepping stones to the Millennium. Wolter’s vision is more gradualist than apocalyptic, and it resembles the Millennium of pure reason envisioned in the Enlightenment, if reason were replaced with quasi-pagan pantheism.

Wolter also complained again about the “power-tripping, anti-diffusion leaning individuals” who edit Wikipedia, and despite his anger at the online encyclopedia, he also complained that he isn’t cited frequently enough as a source regarding controversial artifacts. He says that in terms of research “the tools I use are the internet and books; lots of books.” The trouble, of course, is that those books aren’t primary sources with original documents but rather fringe history books, as seen from the bibliography and chapter notes in his last book, Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers, which contained virtually no primary sources but dozens of fringe history books and—wait for it—Wikipedia.

63 Comments
KIF
4/18/2014 05:45:11 am

Margaret Starbird used the golden legend of Jacobus de Voraigne to bolster the bloodline theory, neglecting the part of the legend that stated Mary Magdalene was married to John

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Expat
4/18/2014 05:49:48 am

FYI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Marys#Legend_in_France

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KIF
4/18/2014 05:53:22 am

The inhabitants of Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer in Provence don't seem to accept the bloodline theory

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Only Me
4/18/2014 08:26:13 am

"counts in your opposition"- (in) should be (is)

"gradualist that apocalyptic"- (that) should be (than)

I guess neither Wolter nor his supporters understand that he/they can edit Wikipedia, including him in relevant articles and listing his books as a source.

Wikipedia itself states, "People of all ages, cultures and backgrounds can add or edit article prose, references, images and other media here. What is contributed is more important than the expertise or qualifications of the contributor. What will remain depends upon whether the content is free of copyright restrictions and contentious material about living people, and whether it fits within Wikipedia's policies, including being verifiable against a published reliable source, thereby excluding editors' opinions and beliefs and unreviewed research"...AND..." Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles, except in limited cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism. Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or, if they choose to, with their real identity".

Of course, he/they would have to read the Wikipedia: About article and the related articles therein to ensure the rules are followed.

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Only Me
4/20/2014 06:31:34 pm

You know what? Forget my above comment about Scott editing Wikipedia. I found something that at least partly addresses his complaint about Wikipedia's editors. Check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Scott_F._Wolter

I really liked these excerpts, in particular:

"I am not sure he's notable, but he has explicitly asked for removal of the article because he doesn't like what is being said--he doesn't want his theories criticized; naturally, a NPOV article might inevitable give the impression that his theories are not mainstream, but that's irrelevant. That's not a reason for deletion--if the only articles on fringe scientists are the ones that have a POV in their favor, we will be in a very sorry state indeed."

"Based on what I've read here, getting fair treatment is impossible. You can't even spell my name right (Walter?); just delete the damn listing and be done with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hookedx (talk • contribs) 00:38, 28 December 2012 (UTC)"

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Mandalore
4/18/2014 08:32:54 am

I'm curious how Wolter's delving deeper into fringe theories and spiritualism (whatever that means) will play out on America Unearthed. Whenever its final season happens, I bet it's going to be weird. And then he'll get another show, maybe a global version of AU.

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Only Me
4/18/2014 08:39:27 am

If it happens, that show will also be "commercially produced for commercial distribution in order to attract a viewing audience to the paid adverts...", nor will it be "of the same character and quality as, say, "NOVA" or "Frontline" ...".

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nonRev Gil Photsch
4/18/2014 01:45:43 pm

I resemble that remark!

Walt
4/18/2014 11:14:14 am

I wonder how the fringe theories will play out as well. I've probably seen every episode since they show reruns for hours, but I watch for the video of ancient sites and the limited archaeology. I watched half a dozen episodes before I found out, thanks to Jason, that he was covering fringe theories without mentioning the history. I've ignored the few times he's openly discussed secret societies and conspiracy theories, but if every episode is openly "researching" a fringe theory, I probably won't watch, even reruns when there's nothing else on.

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Kal
4/18/2014 09:18:32 am

Scot seems to be confusing Mary mother of Jesus with Mary Magdeline and the other Mary who washed his feet. They're not the same woman. "Mary, mother of Jesus, Mary Magdeline and the other Mary with to the tomb and found it empty."

Holy Blood Holy Grail and the Da Vinci Code already did this, with the Mother of Jesus Mary. It was fiction.

It was all based on a French conspiracy by Picarr who wanted to make himself seem royal so he put all of this merde in the French Museum so it could be found later and prove he was royalty. It didn't work. He died. He never got to be king.

He took the idea from that 12th century thing, which as you pointed out, is just a 'holy relic' and since it was almost a thousand years later, nobody remained alive to dispute the find of some bones that could be a Mary.

The name Mary was as common as James and Judas and Jesus in the old world. But it's not likely that grave even has a Mary in it, much less one of the female friends of an apostle of Jesus.

Seriously, the guy doesn't even know the difference between the two most obvious Marys in the Bible. Even so, common name. The Catholic Mary is the Mother of Jesus one.

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KIF
4/18/2014 09:30:09 am

"It was all based on a French conspiracy by Picarr who wanted to make himself seem royal "

Jean-Luc Picard ?

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The Hulk
4/18/2014 09:44:15 am

No, Kal is referring to Jean-Felix Picard, aka Abbé Picard (1620-1682) who was the first to accurately calculate the radius of the Earth

Data
4/18/2014 10:12:11 am

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-COMwuNQBDxE/T7JBSbSAZGI/AAAAAAAAAoM/B7V1JToROtU/s1600/triplefacepalm.jpg

Dave Lewis
4/18/2014 01:49:48 pm

Good point! I read something this past week that indicated that the three Marys were frequently confused in extra-biblical writings.

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Tara Jordan link
4/18/2014 09:23:20 am

I love the idea of Scott Wolter becoming the latest new kid on the block for the conspiracy culture.But there is one major problem for his fans,Scott Wolter is the same person who worked on the Sept.11 Pentagon attack,on behalf of the US government.According to conspiracy buffs rational,Scott is part of the cover up.By the way,I wonder what Scott thinks of the 9/11 conspiracies

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PNO TECH
4/18/2014 03:39:14 pm

Great angle, Tara.
+1 for tartuffery!

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Tara Jordan link
4/18/2014 08:22:08 pm

"tartuffery".

C'est l'hôpital qui se moque de la charité?.

PNO TECH
4/19/2014 01:03:51 am

Iirc, 'tartuffery' was originally applied toward you(Tara) in an early AU comment thread as a pejorative, then you came to embrace it. My apologies if my memory failed me. I did not intend to mock: t'was meant as a compliment.

Tara Jordan link
4/19/2014 02:41:01 am

No offense taken.This is precisely why I responded with "the pot calling the kettle black".I do not recall who made the original tartuffery statement,but I am confident he is reading us;)

[jad]
4/19/2014 05:51:43 am

CHARLES II prior to his Restoration spent time in Paris
with his near kin. He was "Tartuffe" and the play delves
into his existence as a Prince on a mission before and
after the battle of Worcester. GoTo LOUIS XIV in youth.

BillUSA
4/20/2014 08:05:28 am

Bravo, Tara. Nice catch.

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/18/2014 10:19:11 am

Jesus of Nazareth is a COMPELLING figure … Sooner or later, everyone has to come somehow to terms with Him …

Some of us revere Him as Savior and Lord … others regard Him as a wise teacher … or a first century revolutionary … or a prophet … or a personal guru … or a deluded would-be messiah ... or a fictional mythological hero ...

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KIF
4/18/2014 10:21:18 am

I regard Jesus Christ as a parallel to Superman in DC Comics

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Only Me
4/18/2014 10:38:24 am

Or a superstar...

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Brent
4/21/2014 02:00:26 am

"Or a superstar..."

Brent Dudgeon Likes this.

Heidi
4/18/2014 06:57:43 pm

Speaking of France, I know next to nothing about it's contemporary history beyond the fact it's a socialist country now and subject to the self same identity politics as the rest of Europe. Germany has the longest reputation for social democracy that I know of, but that does not rule it out in France either. In such cases, is it anti intellectual of me to wonder if we should be talking about the uses and abuses of axiology?

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KIF
4/18/2014 09:04:52 pm

Anti-Semitism continues to flourish in France due to the residue of fundamentalist Roman Catholicism that exists in that country - despite the French Revolution, the Concordat, the Age of Reason, the separation of Church from State, and its socialism

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KIF
4/18/2014 09:07:28 pm

Rene Descartes may have been a champion of reason and rationality but he was still a closet Roman Catholic fundamentalist

Tara Jordan link
4/18/2014 10:35:47 pm

Amazing statement but do you have any evidence to support it?.
As far as I am aware,"les Cathos integristes" or "Cathos traditionalistes" ,such as Alain Escada`s Civitas or le courant Lefebvreiste,represent an ultra minority in France.They have no influence on French society & its institutions,whatsoever.

KIF
4/19/2014 02:04:13 am

French folks are packing into St Sulpice cathedral every Sunday in Paris, every single pew taken. Every single person there would have a negative view of the Jews. Forget about ultra-right wing minority political Catholic groups like Society of St. Pius X when anti-Semitism is mainstream within French Roman Catholicism

Tara Jordan link
4/19/2014 02:36:09 am

"Every single person there would have a negative view of the Jews".
Of course you have the statistics & (or)the personal experience to back up your statement?.
French Roman Catholicism is aligned with the Vatican position.If you are aware of the reforms that have been made since Vatican 2, you`ll understand that the Roman Catholic is not the anti Judaic household it used to be.(I am not using the term "antisemitic" because it doesn't mean anything.70% of world Jews are not even "Semites").

KIF
4/19/2014 02:44:17 am

I've heard of Vatican II.

I've even heard of Pope Benedict XVI saying the Jews were not to blame for the death of Christ (cf, his book "Jesus of Nazareth: Holy Week", 2011)

'Jews, Out of France!'

Chilling video shows hundreds of anti-Semites on the march in Paris, illustrating the frightening rise of anti-Semitism in France.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/176876#.U1J9iJsU_IU

Matt Mc
4/19/2014 02:54:31 am

So the fact that there are people who are anti-jewish in France, the rest of Europe, and the State means that all French Roman Catholics are Anti-jewish?

There is anti-Semitism all over the world, just as there are anti-black, anti-Japanese, and anti-(insert race or ethnicity here) . At times they can be quite good at assembling and bringing there message to the media and getting coverage but that does not mean they are reflective or representative of the population as a whole.

We could go on for hours and days as to the reasoning behind the ebb and follow of racist and ethnic based ideas gaining and losing popularity and still only touch the surface but judging a whole country or group of people on the ideas of a few is acting the same way as those we are criticizing. Generalism does not help promote anything except seperation

KIF
4/19/2014 03:02:50 am

Essay: The 'Radical Traditionalist Catholic' Movement

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/radical-traditional-catholicism/the-radical-traditionalist


Radical Traditionalist Catholics Spew Anti-Semitic Hate, Commit Violence Against Jews

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2006/winter/the-new-crusaders

Matt Mc
4/19/2014 03:10:39 am

I am not saying that there are not French Roman Catholics who have negative views towards jews, there are groups of Roman Catholics that have negative views of Jews around the world. These groups of Roman Catholic however do not represent the teachings of the church nor the whole of those who claim to be Roman Catholic.

I am saying that it is wrong to say that all French Roman Catholics have negative view of Jews. That generalization is incorrect and is the same kind of behavior as is being attributed to the French Roman Catholics.

Tara Jordan link
4/19/2014 03:19:58 am

@KIF
With all respect,you have no idea of what you are talking about.The link you provide is taken from the first protest of "Jour de Colère" in Paris."Jour de Colère" was a popular protest rally against the Hollande government,including,workers unions (syndicats),ordinary French citizens,Catholic,secular,Muslim organizations,anti system groups,right wingers,centrists,small entrepreneurs,advocates for freedom of speech etc....

The imbeciles who indeed screamed out "Jews out of France" were as much as 15.They belong to fringe radical antisemitic sects under "the leadership" of intellectual luminaries such as Alexandre Gabriac,Yvan Benedetti & Hervé Ryssen

Dora
2/6/2015 05:37:36 am

Can't just contribute so much of anti-Semitism to Catholicism. Don't forget the traditions of Age of Reason, its dark side,its bigotry which is still partially alive today. During this era France was considered the navel of the civilized world, which meant western Europe, with Paris as center. East from German border those were the lands of "barbarians," "half breeds," etc. And also same bigotry was applied toward Jews. The Enlightement made of Jews the perfect Other in its own way, not only the eras before them, and justified, and even encouraged the hate of Jews.

Voltaire was an anti-Semite, and wrote that the Jews are totally ignorant nation, who for long contained contemptible misers, and very revolting superstitions, and intense hatred directed against nations who hosted and tolerated them. In brief, according to Voltaire, Jews were worthy of hate.

In similar tone, Jean-Baptiste Mirabaud: "Jews deserve hate because they hate other nations."

Enlightement was infested with such ideas. And they are still alive in France, not typical Catholic fundamentalist bigotry ("Jews didn't recognize a true Messiah"), but the "enlightened" one: anti-Semities speak of Jews deserving hate because they hate other nations, that anti-Semitism is their fault, or that they are money driven etc.

"IN WW2..." -----seyz [jad]
4/19/2014 05:58:15 am

In the Second World War, in the Resistance, there were
people who hid people from the Nazis, there were acts of
heroism during the dark days of that war. Lets keep this in
mind, the Nazis were not liked. Lets all try resist the urge
to kneejerk blame the many for the actions of the very few.

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lets all try TO resist the urge to leap to conclusions
4/19/2014 06:01:11 am

usually most agitators know how to manipulate the mass media...

KIF
4/18/2014 09:14:24 pm

The human mind will forever be a mixed bundle of possibilities. There will always be a university lecturer on anthropology somewhere who believes in alien abductions and in The Da Vinci Code

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Dan Ust
4/20/2014 08:11:08 am

I wouldn't use the blanket term "conspiracy theorist," since there's no a priori reason to reject any given conspiracy theory save lack of evidence or contradictory evidence. For instance, if the First National Bank is robbed by two or more masked people, I think we're on safe safe ground to posit a conspiracy to rob that bank. Likewise, the conventional explanation of 9/11 is that of a successful terrorist conspiracy masterminded by OBL and carried out by 19 other individuals from Egypt, etc.

Jeff Riggenbach has some interesting points to make on conspiracy theorizing here: https://mises.org/daily/4110/

None of this means, of course, any given conspiracy theory is valid or true.

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Jason Colavito link
4/20/2014 09:02:17 am

In an earlier post, I discussed what I mean by "conspiracy theorist," and for my purposes, I'm referring to what Michael Barkun describes as "conspiracy culture" or "super-conspiracies," which posit vast, nefarious forces that manipulate events at the macro-level. So while you're right that any two or more people can be engaged in a conspiracy, for our purposes we're talking about the "Illuminati control the world" type of super-conspiracy.

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william smith
4/20/2014 11:09:13 am

Jason - You are correct by saying people who think the Newport Tower is a Cod fish Portuguese smoke house will likely pay little attention to the claims of Scott Wolter who cherry picks items to fit his false claims. He also stated the Kensington rune stone was carved and buried to be found at a later date by linking all the triangle mooring stone holes. He ignores the mechanical wear line that is measurable and indicates the KRS stood upright for over 300 years. He also states The Mystery Stone of New Hampshire is an Indian artifact. If our government had to get Scott Wolter to tell them a jet plain crashed into the Pentagon it is no wonder we can not operate within budget. As a Christian I have little faith in people that distort history for their own gain.

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Only Me
4/20/2014 12:06:22 pm

It's not that the government needed Scott to tell them an airliner crashed into the Pentagon, they just needed available experts to analyze the structural damage to verify the cause, in answer to the birth of conspiracies claiming an inside job or that it was a missile fired by military aircraft. Things got nutty really quickly following 9/11.

Unfortunately, Scott is using this fact, and his prior testimony in court, as justification for claiming his legitimacy as someone who uses "hard science" to prove his many claims.

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/20/2014 03:00:27 pm

Scott Wolter's work on the Pentagon concrete post 9-11 was to evaluate the structural integrity of the remaining surrounding areas in order to determine the necessity of greater or lesser repair efforts …

It was ALL "hard science" ...

william smith
4/20/2014 03:05:52 pm

You have to be kidding - As I read your answer the government needed experts to tell them the difference between an airplane and missile. What a waste of taxpayers money when the home of our military experts has to call on someone that watches the fire truck go to the fire. Who called Who? I also understand his so called degree in geology was in question at the University of Minn. What hard science has he used to claim anything? He or his film company did offer $50,000 dollars for a rock in Kansas City which his so called hard science felt it was Templar related. Thanks to a local student and the property owner this artifact has been academically researched by real experts and now is on file with the state. Was it Scott or the company he represented called and by who? Have you witnessed his personal report on the so called work order he received to perform his hard science testing?

william smith
4/20/2014 03:28:38 pm

The following link identifies the testing done and who did it on the effects of the 9/11 attack. (http://failures.wikispaces.com/Pentagon+9-11+Attack)
I did not see Scott Wolter on this list.

Only Me
4/20/2014 03:37:45 pm

No, William, the government already knew it was an airliner that hit the Pentagon.

However, those who believed in the conspiracy theories following the aftermath, would not, and, to this day, still don't accept the official story. That's why the ideas about an "inside job" or missile attack were floating around. The government asked many experts to analyze the damage for the official report. Even Popular Mechanics went in-depth into the findings because of the Alex Jones endorsed theories.

As to who called who, I don't know. I have seen no work orders or reports, nor do I need to, since it's Scott himself that claims he is uniquely qualified for his investigative work, due to using "hard science". The only degree that was questioned was his honorary Master's degree, something Jason reported and Scott explained last year.

Thank you, Phil for explaining Scott's work at the site. As Tara pointed out, one wonders what he thinks about the 9/11 conspiracy theories, if he is considered part of the cover-up by the believers.

william smith
4/20/2014 04:33:17 pm

Scott Wolter is president of American Petrographic Services, and reports many awards given to his company by ACEC (American Counsel of Engineering Companies) Neither of these organizations are shown on the research conducted on the Pentagon before, during or after the 9/11 attack.
The research authorized by the government and in their updated report only recognize the ASCE (American Society of Civil Engineering), The NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) and the TCFE ( Technical Council of Forensic Engineering).
If I was president of a company that performed work at the governments request on the Pentagon and used this in my book and TV promotion I would have paper work to back it up to protect my company's credibility and hard fact science technology.
I wonder if Purdue University where I and my daughter obtained Mechanical and Chemical engineering degrees or Ohio State where my younger daughter was president of Woman's Society of Engineering have ever heard of ACEF.

Only Me
4/20/2014 05:31:32 pm

That's a good question.

I did find this at hookedx.com: "Scott has been president of American Petrographic Services, Inc., since 1990 and has been the principle petrographer in more than 7,000 investigations throughout the world, including the evaluation of fire-damaged concrete at the Pentagon following the attacks of September 11, 2001."

The wording may be different from website to website, but from what I've seen, they all contain the basic info.

An Over-Educated Grunt
4/21/2014 07:02:19 am

I leave for 40 days, and the more things change...

ACEC is an undustry association of consulting engineers. While I can vouch for their existence and that their membership includes a wide variety of engineering firms with whom I have experience and would therefore vouch (it seems unlikely that pretty much all the international, national, regional, AND local geotechnical firms that work in Texas would be in on shady dealings...) I don't think by any means they're a gold standard for engineering quality. As near as I can tell they're more an advocacy group for the engineering profession as a whole. Their conferences seem structured more for the business side of the house than the technical side, which pretty much leaves me cold.

Having said all that, there's a good reason that ACEC doesn't show up on the Pentagon report. The reason is that they're not actually an engineering organization, they're an advocacy and business organization that represents engineering companies. That's not to doubt the integrity of any of their members, or to suggest that Wolter couldn't have been a sub on the USACE contract for inspecting the building. The farther one is from being the prime contractor, the less likely one is to get a spot on the marquee. It's quite possible that APS was hired as a third or fourth-layer sub to do some concrete testing, because I imagine there were a LOT of samples to be tested in a very short period of time. As has been mentioned, I'm sure that adequate documentation would make that a whole lot easier to swallow, and it would be a fine feather in his cap, but it's believable that Wolter and APS worked on the Pentagon forensic investigation.

w
4/20/2014 04:43:48 pm

Only Me, Rev and Tara - What proof do you have that Scott Wolter performed work for the US government on the Pentagon 9/11 attack? Under what name , company or degree was he doing this work?

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Only Me
4/20/2014 05:36:00 pm

Apologies, w, I commented to William before seeing your post. You can look up Scott Wolter Pentagon on Bing, like I did, and you'll find websites that use the basic claim of his work at the Pentagon.

Remember, neither I nor Tara have to provide proof. We aren't making the claim...Scott is.

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william smith
4/21/2014 06:08:56 am

My experience with a large manufacturing company required qualified suppliers The holy grail for determining these were found in The Thomas Register. This included lab work and material testing. Our purchasing department maintained large books that were published each year for reference to the best in class for this requested service. I did not find American Petrographic Services or American Counsel of Engineering Companies in the latest version of this Industrial bible. I did look at your reference identified in much of Scotts claim, however I did not find any support that he claims exist other than his list of references. As for his claim of Hard Science I am not qualified to judge, however my opinion of hard science is likely quite different than his.

william smith
4/21/2014 12:27:54 pm

An Over-Educated Grunt - Thanks for your explanation about ACEC and their likely role play in the 9/11 investigation. The following link explains their role and function which leaves out their expertise in scientific testing. I am not condemning this organization, however their goals seem to be more political than forensic. ( http://www.acec.org/advocacy/acec-pac/index.cfm)
I am no expert in concrete testing, however when new concrete was purchased we used the expertise of a certified civil engineer to establish the specs and trusted the supplier of the concrete to provide on site slump test and mixture to meet the specifications. Our on site certified engineer rejected concrete that was in the truck too long and required the contractor to return it. The slang word for rejection was the concrete was too hot because of the added water required to maintain a proper slump. We also used certified people to perform testing on old concrete to assure its durability for supporting buildings or million dollar machines. I find it hard to believe the Pentagon was built without specifications. I also feel any reconstruction to the facility was well within the certified civil engineering specifications to meet the requirements of durability, safety and integrity of the structure. If American Petrographic Services was contracted or sub contracted to perform these test and use this for promotion of their services I am sure they have records of this work. Keep in mind this company made a mold cast of the KRS which reportedly left a film on this artifact that deemed it untestable until new technology was developed. They also took a core sample from the back of the KRS to see if the white line was a root mark or natural formation on the stone. They also reported that the Kansas City stone had been vandalized one month before qualified group performed non destructive testing and study of this site. (Where are the reports?) I agree it is Scott Wolter to provide proof his company provides services that meet the standards of forensic expertise.

Tara Jordan link
4/21/2014 07:25:37 pm

Thank you the feedback,Gentlemen.
When I first heard Scott Wolter talking about his involvement in the 9/11 investigation,I initially thought it was a loose definition of "involvement".Anyone could have done an investigation on the 9/11 attacks,either on a personal base,or on behalf of a group,an association.But if I am correctly paraphrasing him,Scott mentioned he did testing on the concrete, which logically means he had access to elements & materials that belong to a crime scene investigation.The way I see it,this is official business.It is extremely difficult if not impossible to have access to crime scene investigation evidences,especially a crime scene on that magnitude.

An Over-Educated Grunt
4/22/2014 01:29:41 am

A little bit of background, because I can't resist showing off. The Pentagon is actually, from a structural standpoint, a phenomenally built building, built in the heyday of the Corps of Engineers (USACE), when USACE still did their own work rather than farming it out. It was spearheaded by one of the great military engineers of the 20th Century, also a phenomenal ego, named Leslie Groves, who was selected as the lead on the Manhattan Project as a result of his work on the Pentagon.

USACE is still the primary construction agent for the Department of Defense (Naval Facilities Command, or NAVFAC, being the other). However, the shape of military engineering has changed since the 1930s and 1940s. Now, the overwhelming majority of work that USACE does is supervision of contracted architectural and engineering firms. This bears on APS at the Pentagon.

What I think happened, based on my experience, is that the forensic investigation (not "forensic" as in "crime scene," but as in "evaluating what changes this produced on the structure") was let by USACE Baltimore District as a very, very short bidding period contract with very loosely defined specifications. It would have been a very dirty contract, the result of frantic overtime work to get the building inspected even before any repair could be considered. Because of the very short performance period, basically any certified concrete lab that could get on as a sub would have been welcome. Think of it as parallel processing, lots of labs running the same tests at the same time, rather than the usual process where you have one lab for quality control purposes. It's quite possible that local labs found themselves overloaded and subbed out work to other labs. Once the cores are taken, it's not exactly a big deal to send them anywhere in the world for testing.

Thus, no one from APS would have been required to be at the Pentagon. They weren't doing slump cones, they were doing thin slices and busting cores on already-set concrete to verify that the surrounding material was still safe. Again, I'm not saying that this is what happened, but it is why I can believe that APS was involved in the forensic analysis of the concrete from the Pentagon, and why "prove it" becomes a problem, if they were a sub of a sub of a sub.

william smith
4/22/2014 02:46:31 am

Scott Wolter states he performed forensic testing, he did not state he was performing structural integrity. Tara is correct in that Scott uses the word forensic to fool the public about his so called work for the US government. An Over Edugated Grunt is also correct in his assumption of what actually happened. The truth is likely not what the function of American Petrographic was if any function at all. Scott also studied a grave stone from Main which created legal issues. He studied two unauthorized stones from a park in NY and removed a chip from a stone in Kansas City let alone the destruction test on the KRS. His movie sponcer America Unearthed stated they had to take 4 film takes because of his irate actions when the two boys in Hawaii said the park took their arrow head.
I have studied many sites and have a letter of intent approved by the property owner in all cases. Each year a group of local people in my area provide a one week class in archaeology at an ancient historical site in a park in our area. We teach the young children and their parents the importance of proper documentation and require they sign an agreement prior to recovery of items. I spent one week in the field with a film crew in the Kensington area and refused to go on land that was not covered with a letter of intent signed by the property owner,

Gunn
4/22/2014 05:23:11 am

You know, here in MN strange things can happen, coming from Washington, DC. Consider Ventura's visit by the many "CIA students" or such, who showed up in surprising numbers because they were so intrigued by how the former Navy Seal Hells Angel made Governor. I could have told them: "He fooled the young people." He later let them down on issues of pot and education, if I remember correctly.

I also vaguely remember either reading or seeing on a video, Wolter claiming that materials had been left at his locked place of business by the government. At the time of reading or seeing this, I remember thinking that was kind of weird. So then, people here in MN seem to get visited by "Washington DC" type folks in strange ways, is all I'm saying.

The only conspiracy in 911 was perpetuated by our own NSA in purposely not sharing pertinent information with other governmental agencies. Just like the CIA was basically begun in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor, likewise the present "sharing" system we have now is the result of 911. There was no 911 conspiracy from our own government, unless one wants to consider the multiple the warnings from friendly countries--and not taking necessary steps to thwart the Evil One (Bin Laden) who was "determined to strike America."

A US conspiracy didn't CAUSE 911...but not sharing intelligence ALLOWED 911 to happen. 911 was not a complete surprise, except, seemingly, to our former low-IQ President, W. Remember how stunned and dumb he looked while pausing in his reading of the goat story? It's amazing that one of the planes didn't come down and strike him like a hellfire missile from a drone for being as dumb as that goat! One less boneheaded bonesman.

william smith
4/22/2014 07:25:30 am

Good post Gunn and others on this site. I am sure other people read Jason research and even in some cases say he is out of bounds and should be brought to court for some of his remarks. I also have been threatened by these scare tactics and would gladly see these type of people explain their actions in a court of law.
(Jesus Conspiracy centered in France) As a Christian I would hate to have a one time atheist tell the young people about the history of Christ let alone about the pre Columbian people in the new world. His opening statement in America Unearthed (History is not what we have been taught) is a statement proclaiming he is above the academics and scientific proven facts. We are fortunate to have Jason stand up to claims of this individual. I for one stand with Jason.

Gunn link
4/22/2014 02:11:41 pm

William, I have to take both Wolter and Colavito with a few grains of salt. My outlook on each one has everything to do with the infamous Kensington Runestone, quite naturally. That is the filter through which I view these two characters in real life.

It's quite simple, really. Wolter is correct--seemingly as if by accident--that the KRS is authentic. Colavito, in my mind, seems to be correct about Wolter-related-things about 95% of the time, but of course our Blog Host is completely off-base when it comes to recognizing the genuineness of said stone. To me, the KRS makes a good filter to judge by, but it's a very difficult process to go through, since Colavito seems to be right most of the time...but not all the time.

With the esteemed Blog Host, there seems to be a hesitancy to recognize crucial elements associated with the KRS, such as the easy-to-see inland waterways, and the vast number of very aged stoneholes...which are factually very connected with the KRS.

With Wolter, the problem has to do with misrepresenting the historical intent of the KRS. He does well to recognize its authenticity, but he seems to be a poor spokesman for the "possibly Christian" group of men. I don't think these "AVM" men believed the hooked X's on the memorial runestone stood for a Jesus bloodline. But I see other encroachments, too, such as the much-ballyhooed but wrong view about disease killing the ten men, and the KRS being originally buried and representing an enormous land-claim.

I take the message of the KRS at its word and don't add anything. What I have then is a base-line of truth to begin with. The troubled KRS doesn't benefit much from adding and subtracting, because both create false illusions.

Through the filter of the KRS, I can see recklessness trying to take over: from the Blog Host, the recklessness of dismissing an authentic relic as a hoax, and for Wolter, the recklessness of attaching decidedly repugnant spiritual nonsense to it. In my view, Jason and Scott are joined at the hip in "dissing" the POOR VICTIM in all this. Bottom Line: both are in their own ways quite wrong about the Kensington Runestone.

And so is another mini-villain in this attempted history-hijacking up here in the hinterland: Mr. Tom Trow, freshly dis-esteemed academic (in my view), who also cannot see the reality of aged, triangulated, hand-chiseled stoneholes from a medieval time-frame, even though they are still up here staring him in the face, very much still unblasted. But he wants to "teach our children well," like Colavito and Wolter.

Talk about a loose, unintended conspiracy. This could almost be a Three Stooges storyline, "The Three Stooges Assess the Kensington Runestone," except who would get to be Moe?

"Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck."

Moe: "Pick out two...."

"Okay, one, two." (Block to the eyes, blow to the head.)

william smith
4/23/2014 10:18:11 am

Gunn - I agree with most of what you say. Somewhere between Wolter and Jason is the truth. I also look at the KRS for what it says and no more or no less, however the exact translation has been modified over time. I feel the KRS has a lot more to say if proper testing and study is focused on the stone and not on theories or speculation. I also like you feel the stone holes will play a big part in the KRS mystery. Their is some work in progress that may clear the air on this subject. This work is to verify the mechanical wear line on the left carved side took mother nature 300 years to make.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/23/2014 07:47:54 am

I dunno …

I just wonder what "Chthulu" would say about this stuff ...

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