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Scott Wolter Makes Bizarre Claims about Native Americans in New Interview

8/12/2013

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Last Thursday (August 8), Scott Wolter appeared on the Rev. Tim Shaw’s Black Cat Lounge podcast to promote his new book, which he apparently will sell to anyone except me. The book is for sale on Wolter’s website and on Amazon.com, but Amazon informed me that they could not provide a copy to me. Apparently, it’s still not out after several months of delay. Tim Shaw is a spiritualist minister who cites Cremo and Thompson’s Forbidden Archaeology, a Hindu creationist text, as his entry point into archaeological mysteries. The two discussed Wolter’s greatest hits, and Wolter offered a truly stunning new claim about Native Americans that we will get to momentarily.

Wolter first told Shaw that the pre-Columbian voyages of Sinclair-Templars are “important” and needs to be exposed to a wider audience. It’s perhaps interesting that Shaw identifies Wolter’s work as dealing with “our” ancestors, as opposed to Native Americans, which makes me wonder who the implied “we” would be if it is not white Euro-Americans.

I’ll be frank: I find podcasts to be excruciating. I read much faster than people talk, and waiting as they slowly…slowly…slowly dribble out their words to fill time annoys me to no end. At more than an hour, Wolter’s appearance on Shaw’s podcast tested my patience. The first fifteen minutes were about Wolter’s background, and then he discusses the Kensington Rune Stone, with Wolter complaining (again) that he became “pissed” that opponents were “attacking me personally” for his work on the Rune Stone. He asserts that “they” (an undefined group) were defending a “paradigm” by launching attacks on Wolter as a person rather than on the evidence.

His next claim makes an interesting point: Wolter asserts that when people need concrete analyzed, they turn to him, “but somehow when I work on this stuff [archaeology] I’m an idiot, I’m not qualified, and it’s like they question everything, and I’m like ‘Oh, my gosh.’” No fooling: That’s how expertise works. A Shakespeare scholar is not automatically an expert in F. Scott Fitzgerald, and a concrete analyst is not a prima facie expert in medieval archaeology. Both men later claim that historians are “just like organized religion” (in Shaw’s words) because they propose a dogma and defend it against heretics, as though the history books from c. 1960 laid down the unchanging TRUTH for all of time. Shaw believes that historians are trying to “control” knowledge.

Wolter must have a stock set of talking points he uses because, for being a new interview, I’ve heard so much of this before…word-for-word. Wolter repeats the same claim he has made repeatedly that in his work as a concrete analyst he has to testify under oath that he believes what he says is true. Since it’s good enough for court, it should be good enough for everyone. “That standard isn’t good enough for academia?” he asks. Well, no. Just because you believe something is true and have collected selected evidence does not make something true; you propose a claim that others then examine and either accept or reject. Wolter forgets that even in his own analogy the court doesn’t simply accept his testimony; the jury decides whether to believe him, and in his case, the jury of his peers rejects his evidence as inconclusive or wrong.

His attacks on “academics” continue for most of the middle of the episode, repeating his greatest hits about the academic arguments against the legitimacy of the Kensington Rune Stone—which I will again remind you on its surface does almost nothing to affect the story of American history given that we know that Vikings crossed the Atlantic centuries earlier. Lord, I don’t care about the Kensington Rune Stone. He also reviews the “amazing alignments” of the Newport Tower and the fake claims about tons upon tons of missing copper, based on decades-old lies. (The details are all in my Unearthing the Truth book, with references and citations.)

Another classic Wolter bit, repeated from other interviews: “What accountability does a tenured professor have? I would argue none.” There is genuine anger at the very process of the creation of knowledge. Shaw chimes in that people with “pure book learning” don’t hold a candle to those with “experience,” as though archaeologists never leave their cubbies or historians their hovels. The two men believe that academia has excluded everyday Americans from the process of creating knowledge, and it is sad when Wolter and Shaw cannot understand why archaeologists feel that a dilettante proclaiming their decades of experience worthless is laughable while simultaneously arguing for the acceptance of claims based on his own decades of experience. Could Wolter identify a culture by shards of its pottery?

Both men, however, reveal their nationalistic pride in noting that Wolter is doing “amazing” work convincing real Americans that they don’t have to travel overseas to find European artifacts and that we have a powerful ancient history right here in the U. S. of A. This argument was first used in the post-Revolutionary period to bolster American pride and national identity by imagining a lost white race of mound builders co-equal to the Celts of hated Britain.

Wolter says that he is investigating the Serpent Mound and the Decalogue Stone (a Victorian forgery), which he plans to discuss at length on his program. He isn’t able to tell us his findings until they air.

Now, let’s get to the good stuff. Wolter has obviously seen my criticism that his program seems to be explicitly denying the accomplishments of Native Americans. I can do no better than to transcribe his attempt to turn this on his head and blame political correctness for denying white Americans dibs on North America. Wolter claims that he is “fighting” against

…the post-Manifest Destiny period where, you know, I mean, let’s be honest, you know, we committed genocide against the Natives because they were not Christian, they were pagan, and not worthy of owning this land, so we took it from ’em, and, I mean, you know, it’s virgin land, right? It’s basically free for the taking. And when they were finding evidence—cause you know they did—of previous contact with all kinds of cultures, some of them land claims like the Kensington Rune Stone, what would this do to Manifest Destiny? [Shaw (cross-talk): “Exactly, exactly.”] It would create a problem, wouldn’t it? So what do you do? You just make it go away. I mean, it was the simplest, it was the easiest explanation. And some people would say, well, you’re talking about a major conspiracy. In some ways, I think there is a conspiracy going on until people can explain to me things like the Bat Creek Stone.

Holy shit. If I read this correctly, Wolter is claiming that the U.S. government is conspiring to hide European voyages to America to apologize to the Native Americans for genocide and protect the government’s legitimacy from…whom? Sinclair claimants? For a man who a few minutes before bragged that he had “cracked” more than 2,000 books and thus was equal to a historian (“How do you become a historian? You read.”), Scott Wolter does not understand anything at all.

Let’s count his errors:

  • The Kensington Rune Stone is not a land claim, unless you agree that Wolter has found a secret code made of dots, which is useless as a land claim since nobody stumbling across the stone could read it. 
  • The “post-Manifest Destiny” period would have been after the Civil War, at which point many Native groups had already become Christian and most had been deprived of their land. Christianization of Native peoples began with Columbus and continued down to the present.
  • Wolter identifies himself as part of “we,” by which he apparently means Euro-Americans. He is apparently unaware that Native Americans are also U.S. citizens (though they were not automatically citizens prior to 1924), and he implicitly views himself and other white people in opposition to the Native “Other.”
  • Previous colonization by European groups would not have affected Manifest Destiny (U.S. expansion) in any way, shape, or form. In fact, in the 1700s and 1800s, the U.S., British, and Spanish governments assumed that Welsh, Phoenician, and other peoples had come to North America in the past, and the Spanish government even sponsored an expedition to search for Welsh Indians in the Louisiana Territory back when they owned it—hardly the behavior of people quaking in their boots about legitimacy. 
  • U.S. president Andrew Jackson specifically cited the lost white race of the mound builders as a reason for deporting Native Americans, yielding the Trail of Tears: “In the monuments and fortresses of an unknown people, spread over the extensive regions of the west, we behold the memorials of a once powerful race, which was exterminated, or has disappeared, to make room for the existing savage tribes.” Therefore, Jackson said, Native Americans were illegitimate possessors of white land and ought to be removed from American soil. If the president could make that claim in the State of the Union Address of 1830, it was not a secret and he did not fear evidence of this lost race.
  • The existence of a lost white race of mound builders was official U.S. government policy for several decades (Pres. William Henry Harrison was an active believer), until Cyrus Thomas’s archaeological work made the claim untenable. While it was U.S. policy, it was widely assumed that this race had contact with the Jews, Phoenicians, and other ancient peoples. 

Wolter now asserts that the Native Americans “know something” about the Templars since he has come to recognize that they were present during the period of the alleged Templar voyages. However, “we tried to kill them [so] maybe they’re not exactly in the mood to talk.” Funny, though, that many Native Americans (who are individuals, incidentally, and not a homogenous group) are happy to talk to Ancient Aliens, Skeptical Inquirer, and me. Perhaps some Natives aren’t too excited about reliving the racist old claims that white people reigned over them as gods and bequeathed their superior genes to them, as Thomas Sinclair asserted in a lecture widely-cited in Templar conspiracy literature and later repeated by Frederik Pohl, the godfather of Sinclair conspiracy literature. Native Americans know where this kind of conspiracy-mongering tends to lead.

41 Comments
Coridan Miller
8/12/2013 09:20:23 am

I....I....my brain just hurts, I can't even remark on that. I am admittedly an Amerindianphile so I have some bias; but his reasoning doesn't even make sense in his own logic bubble. He admits that Americans were trying to justify our acts of genocide but then thinks the artifacts they "found" to justify it were genuine?

Hard to tell if he is a racist, a clever scheister or just an ass.

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Christopher Randolph
8/12/2013 03:45:24 pm

"Hard to tell if he is a racist, a clever scheister or just an ass."

I think we can remove the 'clever' and otherwise go with all three.

He's just being a tad bit more honest with his racism, which anyone who spends ten minutes per week reading the Yahoo comments or Amazon sellers' boards can tell you is at a fever pitch, and good for piles of cash.

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spookyparadigm
8/12/2013 11:26:17 am

You know, sometimes it might just save you time and sanity to not go through a big critique, and just post the "That's Racist" gif

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/thats-racist

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Graham
8/12/2013 03:16:02 pm

Actually it's better to go through the critique, I'd rather know why it's wrong (or racist) so I can explain to others.

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Thane
8/12/2013 01:09:49 pm

By "our ancestors" he meant human ancestors but I suspect that's not the case.

>>British, and Spanish governments assumed that Welsh, Phoenician, and other peoples had come to North America in the past, and the Spanish government even sponsored an expedition to search for Welsh Indians in the Louisiana Territory back when they owned it—hardly the behavior of people quaking in their boots about legitimacy. <<

Also, let's not forget the enduring fascination with the Lost Tribe of Israel and what became of them.

And finally, about Prez Andy J....he had other personal issues with native tribes. He was a troubled individual and while some of the chips he carried on his shoulder can be understood given his past, but not all of them.

Wollter has obviously found a rich money-vein in this line of fantasy and is willing to do whatever he has to keep it flowing.....

Jason, do you think he's a true believer or is he just another con?

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Dave Lewis
8/12/2013 03:38:42 pm

Is Scott Wolter a fast talker like Alex Jones? Fast talkers don't make much sense when you analyze what they are saying. They throw in a catch word frequently like....

blah blah blah templars
blah blah blah Kensington runestone
blah blah blah UFOs
blah blah blah freemasons

Dave Lewis

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Tara Jordan
8/12/2013 04:49:02 pm

"that opponents were attacking me personally".This is the reaction of a 15 yr old boy caught with his pants down, but Wolter is right,some of us attacked him personally for being utterly incompetent,shamelessly disingenuous & lacking any credential whatsoever.

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Phillip Brown
12/16/2013 04:09:15 pm

you make scott look like an utter jackass, granted that isn't really that hard to accomplish but you make it look so elegantly simple. I would sever five toes from my feet to see you have at the fool publicly. He's a racist to boot I mean come on everyone knows that only white people could have had the brains to build mounds of dirt. my god they actually let this ass hole on television.

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BobM
8/12/2013 05:47:46 pm

"“What accountability does a tenured professor have?"

The man has obviously never read historical academic journals. Historians attack each other all the time. Sometimes with a lot less reason than for attacking an idiot like him. But there are some ferocious debates about history out there.

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Tara Jordan
8/12/2013 06:01:33 pm

Scott Wolter.
You obviously reads this blog on regular base,I am addressing you directly.

In your latest interview you claimed you read almost 3000 books and went through a lot of "historical documents".You also pretended you dug through a lot of historical documents that are "not sexy enough for academics".

I have a very simple challenge for you.
1)Show me one historical document that records or mentions the Sinclair-Templars pre-Columbian voyages to America. When I say "historical document",I am not talking about pseudo academic speculative constructions,historical forgeries-fabrications or alternative historians "researches",not even books written centuries later, but actual 1100`s & 1200`s historical records "dans le texte" (en Français ).The historiography of the Templars & their activities are well known and on record.There is no "mystery".In the interview you said ""all these historians,linguists,archaeologists, they think....I Don't care what you think, show me the evidence......". Well, this is it,show me the evidence.

2)The original historical records & documents related to the Knights Templar are written in "vieux Francais"(Ancien français).Do you read & speak the language?.if not,what is your methodology for studying these texts?.How can you even expect to be taking seriously if you are incapable of studying the documents "dans la version originale".

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The Other J.
8/12/2013 09:41:58 pm

This is a man who claimed random lines on a rock wall in Oklahoma were Irish Ogham. If he has a linguistic methodology, it seems a lot like a Rorschach test. (I'd love to see him unpack why the rooster is an unofficial national symbol in France. Or maybe not. I just imagine it being a disaster of Michael Bay proportions.)

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Tara Jordan
8/13/2013 03:05:36 am

Indeed,this is precisely why I am not addressing the so called Wolter`s "In Situ" evidences (most of which have been shown to be hoaxes & fabrications) but instead focusing on the original historical documentations.If there is evidence for the "Sinclair-Templars pre-Columbian voyages to America",it should be inside the historical archives, & I am expecting Wolter`s expertise to point me into the right direction.

smg
8/13/2013 03:10:41 am

Like many other readers of your blog, I came to it after watching an episode of America Unearthed. I've been checking in almost daily ever since.

The first episode I saw was "The Great Lakes Copper Heist" and boy was it a doozy. I am an Industrial Archaeologist in Upper Michigan and my research is devoted primarily to the historic copper mining industry that took place here from 1840s-1950s. In order to properly contextualize my research, its imperative that I place it within a millennia-old prehistoric mining tradition. For over 5,000 years, native peoples visited Lake Superior (and Isle Royale especially) to exploit the native copper deposits found here. Their "mining" was rudimentary by today's standards, but the level of technology involved was impressive when one considers the resources available to them.

Wolter's assertions about "thousands" of mining pits on Isle Royale may be accurate in the sense that native peoples "grubbed" out outcroppings of copper, but in no way is it evidence of a concentrated European effort to mine copper and ship it to the Mediterranean. The people that guided him around the island are people I know personally. They were embarrassed to be associated with Wolter and if you watch the episode, you'll notice you pretty much never see an official, National Park Service presence in frame (Isle Royale is a National Wilderness Park). Wolter's interest in Isle Royale and Michigan's Upper Peninsula acted as a double-edge sword; it increased the area's exposure while at the same time increased interest in diffusionist, pseudo-archaeological investigations in the area.

I suppose I should get to my point. I am now inundated with requests by local (and not so local) enthusiast/amateur archaeologists who want me to verify their findings of: dolmens, pyramids, rock carvings (so far, no Ogham—knock on wood), and stone tools as evidence of European involvement (as opposed to evidence of prehistoric native presence—which is for some reason not as existing—why? search me), etc.

These entreaties nearly always begin with, "Have you seen America Unearthed? I think I found something similar to... [fill in episode here]." I can no longer give public talks about the local history without having to address these issues. Now there isn't time to speak with the attendees who have questions/comments that are of real interest to me and my research. I must admit that prior to America Unearthed, these sorts of questions and requests were occurring, they were just much less frequent.

I have spent the last several months trying to find ways to reframe these experiences as, "any interest in archaeology is good for archaeology" experiences. In the past, I've been successful in demonstrating to the untrained enthusiast the differences between reductive speculation and the scientific method. These successes were nearly always predicated on the enthusiast's belief that expertise was not something to be feared and distrusted, but something to be respected and even expected. After all, you wouldn't expect shoes you made yourself to be as good as those of a cobbler with 50 years experience.

In the last couple of years (and especially in the post-America Unearthed/Diggers years) this belief in expertise has flamed out rather quickly. I find it increasingly difficult to reason with the enthusiast now. All conversations end with "agree to disagree" type statements. Its even to the point that students of archaeology are increasingly accepting of fast and loose interpretation because it "fits better" with their own ideas and pre-concieved beliefs about a site or narrative.

As I said, I've been following the blog for some time now but never posted. Today was the breaking point for me. I just had to slog through a 30 minute video of a purported sun dial, cave, ritual bath (thanks, Wolter) and cache of stone tools made by "Stone Age" European peoples that are so clearly naturally occurring phenomena that it I just had to ask... Why do you see a stone tool in every rock you pass by? Is it not more likely that something is natural, rather than EVERYTHING is man-made? The answer of course is/was/forever will be, "We'll have to agree to disagree." Sigh.

Its time to fight the good fight for science. We don't have all the answers... and that's a fantastic, thrilling feeling. All we have are the tools (that take years of training to use properly) to answer questions as best we can.

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Tara Jordan
8/13/2013 03:48:54 am

You are an Industrial Archaeologist,but according to Wolter`s twisted logic,you are part of the secret cabal of nefarious academics who are trying to suppress his groundbreaking discoveries;).

"Its time to fight the good fight for science. We don't have all the answers... and that's a fantastic, thrilling feeling".
Welcome to the club.....

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Jason Colavito link
8/13/2013 05:46:31 am

Thank you for sharing your perspective. You're right that none of this is new, but the exposure on TV has spread these ideas exponentially. It's sad and disheartening but certainly evidence that TV plays a key role in public perceptions of archaeology and history.

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The Other J.
8/13/2013 05:57:59 am

Thanks for dropping in, smg. That's a sobering post.

Question: Do you ever manage to change some of these true believers' opinions? Do any visitors come looking for evidence of Phoenicians and leave understanding more about the natives who worked the island?

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CFC
8/13/2013 11:30:10 am

Science will prevail, it will just take a while. It’s like fighting political battles and it has to be done.

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Dave Lewis
8/13/2013 02:14:19 pm

Another of my favorite bloggers, Mike Heiser, is a scholar in the fields of biblical studies and the ancient Near East. He has a list of 11 topics he won't respond to which are related to alternate history/archeology/religion. You may have to do the same!

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spookyparadigm
8/13/2013 02:14:28 pm

I am also an archaeologist, though my work is largely not in the US (I teach at a US institution). I can't get into the specifics at the moment, but I have started to be involved in how to handle these kinds of issues, and I guess my response would be two-fold

- more archaeologists need to know their pseudoarchaeology, and be prepared to deal with it. Biologists learned this after Kansas, and we can see some of the payoff with Dover. If we can deal with components at a site that aren't our interest, or in the classroom we can teach about areas of the world (at a basic level) where we don't work, we can learn this stuff. Also from an analytical perspective, it is just as much a cultural recasting of the archaeological record as Anglo-Saxons burying criminals in Neolithic Mounds, or Aztecs leaving offerings at Teotihuacan.

Further, if we can provide an interesting story about why these ideas are wrong, all the better. Too many archaeologists, when confronted with pseudoarchaeology, try to explain why settlement patterns and pollen cores are so much more fascinating. That may be, but for reasons to long to get into here, it's not going to work at that moment. Instead, tell a counter-story that is cool, and also cool. The story of Mitchell-Hedges and his skull is far more fascinating in many ways now that we know it probably never was in Belize. In the case of Moundbuilders/whites in America, tell the story of how Congress was so interested in this, they earmarked money to study it, and got someone who believed it to work on the question (Cyrus Thomas) only for him to discard the idea once he looked at the evidence. That could be a cool story (and there are others, I've seen Bradley Lepper give a good talk on the Newark Holy Stones that incorporates colorful characters and local as well as national politics).

- your audience is not the people who are already fairly interested in these topics, to be blunt, they're gone. Some might be swayed, but to actively court them is serious diminishing returns. Your audience is their potential audience. Debates don't work.

My more long-reaching suggestion is that archaeologists have to give up on TV, it will never serve them properly at least in the US. They need to embrace youtube. I think it is in the long-term interest of American archaeology for someone like SAA or some other broad-based institution to support a youtube show or shows on archaeology, made by a team or rotating cast of young and charismatic presenters, that completely steps around the beyond useless broadcast media.

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CFC
8/13/2013 03:57:21 am

BRAVO smg!!! Thanks for sharing your perspective. I hope we hear from more professionals, academics, state officials, etc. who are seeing the negative impact of this type of programming. Programming that misinforms the public and ridicules professionals, academics and experts in their fields. Mr. Wolter (a licensed geologist) should be disciplined for his blantant misconduct.

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joe schmo
8/13/2013 05:32:39 am

I think that 95% of you people on here would make up lies and go on TV telling said lies. If people were throwing money at you. I DONT agree with it either. That is just the way most people nowadays are. Its all about the Almighty dollar!!!!!

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Jason Colavito link
8/13/2013 05:44:22 am

I actually turned down an offer to appear on one show because I refused to pretend that their pseudo-historical lies could be true. Destination America was similarly disappointed when they asked me to host one of their shows because I wouldn't pretend America was chock full of ancient aliens, and they made plans to pair me with a "true believer" before canceling the show altogether.

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Tara Jordan
8/13/2013 05:56:27 am

Joe.
Don't tell anyone,but I am working as an escort girl to pay my studies.

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Varika
8/13/2013 03:13:38 pm

Sure I would, Joe Shmo--I would LOVE to be the head writer on, say, a new Star Trek series, or a fantasy series, or even a show that took some of these alternative history "theories" and explored how the world would have to be different than it is now for them to be true. But one thing I would NOT do, not for ANY amount of money, is pretend that the lies were true. And while a lot of people might do precisely what you suggest, I think you've picked the wrong group of people to cast into that mold, since the majority of us are here to find out what the lies are and what the truth is, so clearly, we care about what truth IS.

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Peter Nulton
9/5/2014 05:10:16 pm

@Joe Schmo

...no.

Sure, I'm not 90% of people, but someone becomes an archaeologist out of love. If you love money more, you do something else. Becoming a professional archaeologist is more difficult than most people would usually want to endure (since in many fields you are nigh-unemployable without a Ph.D., (In the case of the fields I know predicated on learning ancient and modern languages, reading a great deal, conducting excavations, writing a dissertation.) 10 or more years of higher education, and no promise of financial reward after. If we didn't "wash out" out of greed before finishing the degree, we're probably fairly committed to our ethics.

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joe schmo
8/13/2013 06:05:53 am

Well to Tara, that is nice... And Jason I really do like that about you. I just wish more people had your integrity.

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Tara Jordan
8/13/2013 06:17:35 am

I am joking.I dont need to prostitute myself (I am not a Postdoc yet),I can rely on my wealthy dad.But nowadays getting an higher education is quite expensive.

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RLewis
8/13/2013 03:57:55 pm

So who exactly is supposedly protecting the sanctity of Manifest Destiny? This isn't a phrase in a the Constitution or Bill of Rights. It was basically started as a war cry/political slogan/ religious belief. Weather it is proven to be "true" or not has no bearing on anything. It doesn't matter if we obtained the land through, destiny, war, purchase, or cheating and stealing (probably some of each). Fact is, we have it now and no uncovered moldy rock, or scratches on a remote cave, or poorly carved alphabet is going to change that - or have any impact on the legitimacy (in the world's eyes) of our claim.

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Only Me
8/13/2013 10:02:01 pm

I must admit to being surprised that we haven't heard anything from Scott's buddy, Steve St. Clair, yet. Usually, he makes an appearance to defend his friend and accuse Jason of obsession or levy a false accusation. Perhaps the subject matter of this interview is too extreme, even for him?

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Titus Pullo
8/14/2013 09:51:53 am

I was vacationing in Newport RI a few weeks ago. We rented a house on Atlantic Beach just east of the downtown/cliff walk. I found myself around the Newport Tower and walked into the Newport Tower Museum..a tiny place run by Jim Egan. He was on the America Unearthed episode. Interesting guy who has an interesting theory (the Tower was built during a secret Elizabethian expedition to found a colony) and it was an observatory. But I asked a very basic question-during all the digs around the Tower..were any pre 17th century artifacts dug up..he said no..and that pretty much kills the theory.

Occam's Razor...

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
8/14/2013 05:31:31 pm

Quite entirely apart from the question of the trust worthiness of the claims and ideas presented in any of the "America Unearthed" H2 TV shows ... ONE positive result is the renewed interest in looking closely at EVERYTHING re: North American history ... I think that is a GOOD thing ...

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Kim
8/15/2013 12:05:49 pm

I still find it amazing that people are so easily duped by psuedoscience, dramatic acting, conspiracies, anti-intellectualism, and other tom foolery. Because they put it on TV, that means it's legitimate?

I listened to Wolter's Sad... Sad... Sad... radio interview. He is the epitome of a mythomaniac - defined as - a compulsion to embroider the truth, engage in exaggeration, or tell lies.

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Gunn link
8/19/2013 10:06:40 am

Back from vacation to the UP of Michigan. Yah, ya betcha by golly, eh? Beautiful views of Lake Superior's southern shore near Bay Mills (Indian Reservation). Looking out the window, I thought I saw a Viking ship sailing west towards Duluth:

Jason: "...the Kensington Rune Stone—which I will again remind you on its surface does almost nothing to affect the story of American history given that we know that Vikings crossed the Atlantic centuries earlier. Lord, I don’t care about the Kensington Rune Stone."

That's obvious, Jason, especially since you haven't yet learned the important lesson that the KRS and Vikings are separated by a quarter of a millennium. If the Vikings didn't leave it, who did? Does it matter? Yes. Why? Because it's part of history.

I've suggested that you and others ask Native Americans why they believe the Sinclair story (close to it) from the East Coast to Upper Minnesota...in essence, from both ends. Do you believe the Native Americans you defend, or are you just giving them lip service? I want to know what they know too, not just Wolter.

Wolter is partially correct about the KRS, in that it is a genuine stone document telling a genuine story from 1362. The story should not be open to fantasies. It is a simple story, simple to understand. The KRS is associated with the ever-historical art of taking land. The KRS itself says as much.

The many, many evidences up here in MN and SD prove that medieval peoples were busy trying to take up land. Stoneholes in a particular area in SD were matched to singular carvings that would identify the new owner of the land, much as a herd of cattle carry the same brand.

The medieval attempts to take up land in the middle of North America failed, perhaps contributing to the reality of the Mandans, later in nearby ND.

The Kensington Runestone is a nightmare to ardent skeptics...a very real nightmare.

Mr. Scott Wolter is your dream host...sweet dreams, skeptical bloggites.

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Brian
9/5/2013 10:51:48 pm

I hear a lot of Bla Bla Bla being said about someone who is trying to figure things out. what are you doing besides criticizing him for what he has shown evidence for. you need to look at facts with eyes and evidence. One can only bring forth evidence if they are physically out there looking for it right.....I believe that is exactly what he is doing, looking for evidence something that would hold up in court. From what I see When Scott is not sure of what he has found he asks or consults with a professional so then he is able to piece things together like a forensic archeologist would do. If you feel the need to talk down people at least have the balls to say it to the persons face, like so many Americans now all they know how to do is talk shit about a person to everyone else but to the person being talked about. If you feel the need to discredit Scott on his findings and his methods then get off your ass and go and do better then he is doing if you can to bring some evidence of your discrediting him on his findings otherwise chill. Thanx for reading what I had to say I look forward to hearing from anybody who feels differently but to be honest proof is in the pudding as they say and I see proof in what he is doing and bringing to our attention if you can do better then please do so until then SHUT UP!!!

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Jason Colavito link
9/5/2013 11:35:45 pm

You're welcome to click the "America Unearthed Reviews" link above to see all the massive evidence I've compiled to prove Wolter wrong. It is extensive and devastating to his ideas.

As for telling him to his face, I've done that, too. See comments: http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/2013/01/h-p-lovecraft-scott-wolter-and-the-romano-jewish-colony-of-arizona.html

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Brian
9/8/2013 07:12:07 am

I would like the rest of my comments answered since you took the time to answer like 2 of the 5 I asked. suppose I throw in another one..... I think carbon dating in not accurate in determining the date on anything, what would you say to that? the reason I say such a thing is simply that is the method used in telling us how old fossils or remains are correct? well take a sample of some lava or magma that a volcano just spit out a day or two ago and carbon date that for us all and tell me how old it is :) if you can. as for talking shit about Scott I discredit anything you would say about him as I have read mass on him and did not hear of you till a google search so thanx to you google you get a kudos :)

Jason Colavito link
9/8/2013 07:18:35 am

Carbon dating only works with organic remains and therefore cannot be used to date rock. Carbon dating provides an estimated range of dates, not an exact calendar year, and its accuracy is only good for a few thousand years into the past. We know it works because scholars have tested carbon dating by using it on objects of known date and trees whose rings can be counted and found that the carbon dating returned correct results.

If you choose to believe that science cannot produce results sufficient to justify you believing them, then you must also abandon belief in Wolter's ideas since he claims to base them on the same science you have stated that you refuse to accept.

Cory
11/28/2013 03:48:47 pm

Jason, you contradicted yourself. You said that "the Spanish government even sponsored an expedition to search for Welsh Indians in the Louisiana Territory back when they owned it—hardly the behavior of people quaking in their boots about legitimacy." Why search at all for Welsh Indians if there was no concern? Seems to state the exact opposite really unless they were wanted for some other unknown reason.

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Brandon
11/22/2014 09:19:23 pm

Someone needs to intervene as Scott Wolter is an embarrassment to science and history as he presents not even half ass theory's backed by no more science than a 7 year old with a toy science kit. I am the average or more individual that has a fascination with history and space and Astrophysics theory and science. I am educated as a Critical Care Paramedic but watching Wolter for 5 minutes I began to get this confused feeling asking myself if some mistake was made as he sliped through the cracks onto aired TV and realized it wasn't an accident and this guy is really feeding not just a theory but presented as theory's that he has in a blundering moment proved through squinting at a stone for 5 seconds and with a background in concrete analysis. AKA "Forensic Geologist" per Wolter. The Ancient Alien series... Ok I think it's a given that it is on the fringe of theory but somewhat entertaining but by no means influencing the populations foundation of knowledge as we know it. Wolter on the other hand I am begining to become terrified that people buy his claims when he goes on his play archeological exhibitions trips with his high tech single magnification lense and pseudoscience toy set. He takes all the hard science that real scientist have discovered through rigurous research and replaces with his circus show imagination theory's and try's to put a stamp on it as being literal fact because he's a make-believe archeologist. I can not believe History or any network can even watch him talk for 5 minutes without embarrassment let alone air his show. What has this world come to... So spread the word, he's an idiot and I think someone should search for answers and knew theory's.... There called real archeologist and historians, with possibly a phd, rather than sound as a GED graduate has propelled himself into the elite minds of history somehow and I don't know how he can even look in the mirror and take himself serious and not want to jump off a cliff knowing the blunder that is Scott Wolter. There! I feel better now that I finally got that out.

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Brandon
11/22/2014 09:34:34 pm

I have rational thinking which takes too long to explain but I think most here do, it's just that Wolter is so embarrassing to simply the average person somehow, I just cringe as his show plays thinking this is to an extreme of a mix of claims, an at times ridiculous so called artifacts such as even a simple line scratched on any rock he sees and then he suddenly connects it to any culture that suits his claims. No other person takes leaps and bounds to connect a theory like Scott Wolter. That says it best.

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      • Oh the Horror
      • Discovery of America
      • Supernatural Television
      • Review of Civilization One
      • Who Lost the Middle Ages
      • Charioteer of the Gods
    • Collection: Ancient History >
      • Prehistoric Nuclear War
      • The China Syndrome
      • Atlantis, Mu, and the Maya
      • Easter Island Exposed
      • Who Built the Sphinx?
      • Who Built the Great Pyramid?
      • Archaeological Cover Up?
    • Collection: The Lovecraft Legacy >
      • Pauwels, Bergier, and Lovecraft
      • Lovecraft in Bergier
      • Lovecraft and Scientology
    • Collection: UFOs >
      • Alien Abduction at the Outer Limits
      • Aliens and Anal Probes
      • Ultra-Terrestrials and UFOs
      • Rebels, Queers, and Aliens
    • Scholomance: The Devil's School
    • Prehistory of Chupacabra
    • The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair
    • Magicians of the Gods Review
    • The Curse of the Pharaohs
    • The Antediluvian Pyramid Myth
    • Whitewashing American Prehistory
    • James Dean's Cursed Porsche
  • The Library
    • Ancient Mysteries >
      • Ancient Texts >
        • Mesopotamian Texts >
          • Atrahasis Epic
          • Epic of Gilgamesh
          • Kutha Creation Legend
          • Babylonian Creation Myth
          • Descent of Ishtar
          • Berossus
          • Comparison of Antediluvian Histories
        • Egyptian Texts >
          • The Shipwrecked Sailor
          • Dream Stela of Thutmose IV
          • The Papyrus of Ani
          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
          • Inventory Stela
          • Manetho
          • Eratosthenes' King List
          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
          • Old Egyptian Chronicle
          • The Book of Sothis
          • Horapollo
          • Al-Maqrizi's King List
        • Hermetica >
          • The Three Hermeses
          • Kore Kosmou
          • Corpus Hermeticum
          • The Asclepius
          • The Emerald Tablet
          • Hermetic Fragments
          • Prologue to the Kyranides
          • The Secret of Creation
          • Ancient Alphabets Explained
          • Prologue to Ibn Umayl's Silvery Water
          • Book of the 24 Philosophers
          • Aurora of the Philosophers
        • Hesiod's Theogony
        • Periplus of Hanno
        • Ctesias' Indica
        • Sanchuniathon
        • Sima Qian
        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
        • Sepher Yetzirah
        • Tacitus' Germania
        • De Dea Syria
        • Aelian's Various Histories
        • Julius Africanus' Chronography
        • Eusebius' Chronicle
        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
        • The Orphic Argonautica
        • Fragments of Panodorus
        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
        • Agobard on Magonia
        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
        • Yazidi Revelation and Black Book
        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
        • The Kensington Runestone (Hoax)
        • Islamic Discovery of America
        • The Aztec Creation Myth
      • Lost Civilizations >
        • Atlantis >
          • Plato's Atlantis Dialogues >
            • Timaeus
            • Critias
          • Fragments on Atlantis
          • Panchaea: The Other Atlantis
          • Eumalos on Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Gómara on Atlantis
          • Sardinia and Atlantis
          • Santorini and Atlantis
          • The Mound Builders and Atlantis
          • Donnelly's Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Morocco
          • Atlantis and the Sea Peoples
          • W. Scott-Elliot >
            • The Story of Atlantis
            • The Lost Lemuria
          • The Lost Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Africa
          • How I Found Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Termier on Atlantis
          • The Critias and Minoan Crete
          • Rebuttal to Termier
          • Further Responses to Termier
          • Flinders Petrie on Atlantis
        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
          • The Seven Cities
          • The Lost City of Paititi
          • Manuscript 512
          • The Idolatrous City of Iximaya (Hoax)
          • The 1885 Moberly Lost City Hoax
          • The Elephants of Paredon (Hoax)
        • OOPARTs
        • Oronteus Finaeus Antarctica Map
        • Caucasians in Panama
        • Jefferson's Excavation
        • Fictitious Discoveries in America
        • Against Diffusionism
        • Tunnels Under Peru
        • The Parahyba Inscription (Hoax)
        • Mound Builders
        • Tales of Enchanted Islands
        • The 1907 Ancient World Map Hoax
        • The 1909 Grand Canyon Hoax
        • The Interglacial Period
        • Solving Oak Island
      • Religious Conspiracies >
        • Pantera, Father of Jesus?
        • Toledot Yeshu
        • Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay on Cathars
        • Testimony of Jean de Châlons
        • Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar
        • The Many Wives of Jesus
        • Templar Infiltration of Labor
        • Louis Martin & the Holy Bloodline
        • The Life of St. Issa (Hoax)
        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
        • Fossil Origins of Myths >
          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
          • Fossil Elephants
          • Fossil Bones of Teutobochus
          • Fossil Mammoths and Giants
          • Giants' Bones Dug Out of the Earth
          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
        • Iron: The Stone from Heaven
        • Pyramid Facts and Fancies
        • Argonauts before Homer
        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
      • US Government Ancient Astronaut Files >
        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
      • Demonology and Witchcraft
      • Thaumaturgia
      • Bulgarian Vampires
      • Religion and Evolution
      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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