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Scott Wolter Makes More Claims about Holy Bloodline Templar Conspiracies and Jesus' Daughter

3/19/2014

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Scott Wolter has been on quite a media tour for someone who doesn’t have anything new to promote between seasons of his H2 program, America Unearthed. He’s taking the opportunity, though, to push his more extreme speculation about Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and secret Holy Bloodline and Knights Templar conspiracies in advance of the show’s third season, which he had previously announced would return to Templar Bloodline conspiracies, specifically in France.

What I find most interesting is Wolter’s assertion that his speculation is somehow changing the historical record and rewriting the past. Wolter told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that he views each America Unearthed investigation as an “opportunity to get the history of the country corrected … that doesn’t come along very often.”
The Star Tribune article, by freelance writer Anna Pratt, includes no quotations or interviews with mainstream scholars who oppose Wolter’s views. Instead, it uses only generalizations of mainstream views provided, apparently, by Wolter and his friends. The profile is overwhelmingly positive, occasionally factually inaccurate (wrongly giving the air date for Holy Grail in America as 2013, confusing it for the America Unearthed episode “Hunt for the Holy Grail), and uninterested in factual foundations for Wolter’s claims.

Wolter told the Star Tribune that he feels better qualified than historians and archaeologists to determine the truth about America’s past because he uses “hard” science to examine rocks rather than the “soft” sciences that involved texts. His producer, Maria Awes, told the Star Tribune that while Wolter’s ideas may seem extreme ““when you really dive into it and the legends, a lot seems plausible.” This, of course, reveals the flaw in Wolter’s method: Far from sticking to the “hard” facts, Wolter constructs castles on foundations of sand specifically because he places far too much weight on myths and legends whose origins he neither knows nor understands.

This is more than evident in another recent article, from the Bangor Daily News, which details Wolter’s efforts to inject himself into the alleged controversy over the Spirit Pond rune stones, which experts have dismissed as “clumsy fakes” for decades. Wolter needs these stones to be authentic in order to support his claims to a Templar conspiracy because the Spirit Pond stones’ inscriptions were modeled on those of the Kensington Rune Stone and therefore include another instance of the otherwise non-standard variant-A rune, which Scott Wolter has trademarked under the name the “Hooked X®.”

“It’s the greatest story that’s never been told,” Wolter told the Daily News. “What you guys have in Maine are some of the most important historical relics in the history of the country. … Those stones that you have up there are priceless. They make Plymouth Rock look like a pebble on the beach. […] These archaeologists have all been programmed [to believe the stones are fakes] and they can’t think outside the box.”  He believes that the runes were carved by the Knights Templar while securing the Holy Bloodline of Jesus following the suppression of the Templar order. In a bit of news, Wolter told the paper he believes that Jesus’ child was a daughter.

In contrast to Pratt, Daily News writer Seth Koenig provides a balanced article that includes expert viewpoints from mainstream scholars along with an evaluation of the evidence Wolter provides. He also gets right the air date for Holy Grail in America.

It’s important to note that neither the Kensington Rune Stone nor the Spirit Pond stones say anything about the Knights Templar, Mary Magdalene, or a secret bloodline of Jesus. If we “let the rocks speak,” then even accepting the Kensington Rune Stone at face value, we have the following story:
8 Götalanders and 22 Northmen on an exploring (or acquisition) expedition from Vinland west. We camped by 2 skerries one day’s journey north from this stone. We were a-fishing one day; after we came home we found 10 men red with blood and dead. A.V.M. (= Ave Maria) Save from evil.

(There) are 10 men by the sea (or lake) to look after our ships 14 days’ journey from this island (or peninsula). Year 1362.

(trans. George T. Flom, with corrections after Henrik Williams)
Wolter sees a secret code in the runes, one tied to his belief about the Holy Bloodline of Jesus and the Templar voyages to America. But these two beliefs come from texts Wolter has never read and does not consider in his thinking about the Templars.

The only evidence of a Templar voyage across the ocean is the June 1308 interrogation under torture of Templar brother Jean de Châlons, who told Vatican inquisitors a series of provable lies, which culminated in the following discussion of what transpired during the 1307 raid on the Templars, which I translate directly from the Latin:
Then he [Jean] said that, learning beforehand about this trouble, the leaders of the Order have fled, and he himself met Brother Gerard de Villiers leading fifty horses, and he heard it said that he had set out to sea with eighteen galleys, and Brother Hugues de Châlons fled with the whole treasury of Brother Hugues de Pairaud. When asked how he was able to keep this fact secret for so long, he responded that no one would have dared reveal it for anything, unless the Pope and the King had opened the way, for if it were known in the Order that anyone had spoken, he would at once be killed.
Jean, as we can see, was repeating a secondhand story—but one that said nothing whatsoever about Templars crossing the ocean or taking a Holy Bloodline with them. It’s also important to note that in 1308 the medieval Latin word used for the ships--galea (ablative plural: galeis), from the Byzantine Greek usage—meant a small oared vessel propelled by rowing, not an oceangoing sailing ship. The idea of them as large sailing ships derives from usage after 1700, when they word became applied to some types of large warships used by the European powers. The Latin text does not immediately support the idea of a trip across the ocean.

And lest you think I made this text up, you can find it yourself in Heinrich Finke (ed.), Papsttum und Untergang des Templerordens, Vol. 2: Band: Quellen (Vorreformationsgeschichtlighe Forschungen, no. 5) (Münster: Aschendorff, 1907), p. 339, citing the Vatican Archives’ Registra Avenionensia 48, Benedicti XII, Book 1, folios 448-451.

This is the entirety of the textual case for a Templar trip to America, and so far as I can tell Scott Wolter knows nothing of this text and never addresses it in his written work on the Templars.

The Holy Bloodline of Jesus conspiracy is even more poorly documented since there is not a scrap of medieval material making any mention of a child of Jesus, much less a daughter specifically. You have a possible Gnostic reference to Jesus kissing Mary Magdalene on the mouth (Gospel of Philip 59), but the papyrus has a hole where the word “mouth” may or may not have been, and at any rate it wasn’t really sexual in context. You have a Cathar reference to an evil earthly Jesus, of whom “Mary Magdalene was his concubine” (Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay, Historia Albigensis 2 [old system] or 10 [new system]). And you have a French legend that Mary Magdalene lived in France for a spell, a legend created in the High Middle Ages to justify claims of various churches to hold her relics, as the oldest such reference attests:
A persecution having arisen after the stoning of Stephen proto-martyr, Maximinus, one of the seventy disciples of Christ, crossing to Gaul, took Mary Magdalene with him. Furthermore, he buried her body in the city of Aix, over which he presided. Verily, the city of Aix was despoiled by the Saracens, so the body of Mary herself was transferred by Gerard, count of Burgundy, to the monastery of Vézelay, which had been constructed by him. And yet some people write that this woman rests in Ephesus, having no covering over her.

(Sigebert of Gembloux, Chronicon sive Chronographia, Entry for 745; my trans.)
The last line refers to the older story, given by Modestus in Photius, Biblioteca 275 and Gregory of Tours in his In gloria martyrum 1.30, that the Magdalene lived and died in Ephesus, from which the Orthodox claim her relics were later removed to Constantinople.

None of this says anything about kids, and that is an invention from the Holy Bloodline school of fringe history inaugurated by the poorly-sourced and largely fictional Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, Wolter’s ultimate source, and its imitators.

So why do we trust high medieval legends over late antique and early medieval texts? Scott Wolter doesn’t tell us and in fact doesn’t cite any of the primary sources about the Magdalene legends but rather fringe history books that in turn have only a passing acquaintance (or less) with the medieval and antique texts that fail to support their claims. If you’re going to demand that history be “corrected,” you had better be conversant in the history you claim to want changed.

His claim to letting the “rocks” speak for themselves isn’t even true if we take his claims at their word, for the rocks say nothing about Templar voyages or Holy Bloodline conspiracies. That’s the “soft” interpretation he’s imposing on incomplete and inaccurate data points.
50 Comments
Only Me
3/19/2014 07:34:52 am

I wrote these thoughts some time ago concerning Scott:

"Yet, we have podcasts, radio interviews, etc., where he has gone on the attack against experts in fields he hasn't one semester hour of training to his credit. He isn't an archaeologist or anthropologist, but he is convinced he has some special insight into their areas that they lack."

Now, he feels he's better qualified than historians and archaeologists because...he's the Stone Whisperer. Real science moves forward through cautious claims, careful analysis and peer-reviewed evidence. How can it compete with outlandish, fictional claims of Templars and a Holy Bloodline for the public's attention, support and interest?

I can't even laugh anymore.

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Chimera
3/23/2014 08:07:46 am

"Stone Whisperer": gotta love it !

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Dan Brown on Speed
3/19/2014 07:38:12 am

Simcha Jacobovici, Barrie Wilson, "The Lost Gospel: Jesus’ Marriage to Mary Magdalene, Bride of God" (Pegasus, 2014)

"What the authors eventually discover is as astounding as it is surprising: the confirmation of Jesus’ marriage to Mary Magdalene; the names of their two children; the towering presence of Mary Magdalene; a previously unknown plot on Jesus’ life, 13 years prior to the crucifixion; an assassination attempt against Mary Magdalene and their children; Jesus’ connection to political figures at the highest level of the Roman Empire; and a religious movement that antedates that of Paul—the Church of Mary Magdalene."

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Jason Colavito link
3/19/2014 07:57:37 am

I'll be interested to see what type of "evidence" these authors use to document all of these claims. I imagine it would surprise Tacitus to know that Jesus was chummy with the highest Roman officials!

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Byron DeLear
3/19/2014 09:18:28 am

Here's the further unpacking of what is most likely upcoming... if you hadn't seen it... Richard Bauckham compares the allegorical interpretation with Barbara Thiering's largely discredited 'pesher' technique which she applied to generate a fanciful reading of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

http://ntweblog.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-bride-of-god-or-lost-gospel-of.html

"Jacobovici and Wilson have evidently supposed that the talk of historia and theōria in the two letters means that the story is a cover for a coded meaning, which is the true history of Jesus. They have missed the fact that Moses and his correspondent are speaking merely about the usual sort of allegorical exegesis that in the Alexandrian school was applied to any such narrative.

There seems to be nothing special about the Syriac version of Joseph and Asenath in Pseudo-Zacharias, apart from the fact that Asenath is called Asyath. But it’s not too difficult to see roughly how Jacobovoci and Wilson are interpreting it. Joseph, I guess, is a cypher for Jesus, a thoroughly human figure who nevertheless has a kind of heavenly counterpart in the chief archangel. In the story Asenath’s name is changed to ‘City of Refuge,’ within whose walls many nations are going to gather. Since ‘Magdalene’ derives from migdal, tower, this change of name refers to Jesus giving his wife Mary the new name Magdalene, to symbolize the role she is to have in the Christian movement. Note that the blurb for the book refers to ‘the towering presence of Mary Magdalene’! In the story, Joseph and Asenath have two children: Ephraim and Manasseh. That Mary Magdalene is the ‘bride of God’ reflects the last section of Asenath’s psalm (21:21). I expect the strong political dimension in the description of Jacobovici and Wilson’s book refers to some kind of reading of chapters 23-29 of Joseph and Asenath. None of this sounds to me any more far-fetched than Barbara Thiering’s so-called pesher reading of the Dead Sea Scrolls."

Ghost of Pseudo-Zacharias
3/20/2014 12:20:05 am

I never mentioned anything of the sort in any of my writings

KIF
3/20/2014 12:22:53 am

We know Pseudo-Zacharias didn't mention anything about the bloodline etc in his writings - he's just using that author as a hook on which to hang their beliefs upon

KIF
3/21/2014 12:32:22 am

The continuing and on-going success of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail". Never been out-of-print. Never been corrected. A type of infallible alternative Holy Bible.

MRK
3/19/2014 08:54:32 am

That last one - a Church of Mary Magdalene - is possible. Christianity, at its beginnings, was quite varied and fractured. That said, I don't recall ever running across anything like it in any of my studies of early Christianity, so if it existed, it was small and ultimately not that influential.

On another note, Wolter claimed these stones "make Plymouth Rock look like a pebble." As anyone who has been to Plymouth Rock can tell you, it does a fine job of looking like a pebble all on its own.

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Byron DeLear
3/19/2014 09:07:58 am

http://ntweblog.blogspot.com/2013/10/jacobovici-and-wilsons-lost-gospel.html

Here are some good "preview" observations on the Bride of God "Lost Gospel" book/documentary. Link is above to read full thread.

Dan King said...
The Syriac ms in question is BL Add 17202 which, as another contributor has pointed out, contains the ecclesiastical history of Zecharias Rhetor. That's not quite accurate - in fact it contains a Syriac translation/epitome of that history written in 569 by a monk. The compilation which the monk produced also included various rather random material in the first two books which were not from Zechariah himself. One of these was a Syriac translation of the History of Joseph and Asenath, which is a reasonably well known Greek apocryphon. This is (I assume) the text which they have 'decoded' to refer to Jesus and Mary. The Syriac translation itself was made by a known individual from the middle of the 6th century and has no sigificance for the reconstruction of the original Greek which is well enough known (and edited) from Greek mss.
What perhaps made it look 'mysterious' to these authors was the fact that whenever the History has been translated (and there are 2 English versions of it) this material has been omitted, simply because the editors saw little point in reprinting something that was easily available elsewhere and really had nothing to do with the rest of the church history with which they were interested.
I suppose the hypothesis they will attempt to justify is that some people (?Syrians ?Greeks) read the J&A story as an allegory of Jesus and Mary and meant it to be understood that way. I expect it will be a difficult hypothesis to demonstrate to anyone other than Discovery Channel viewers...
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Mark Goodacre said...
Many thanks for these interesting comments. To be fair to them, Jens, it's not press release so much as book blurbs & Barrie Wilson's website that I am drawing attention to here. So at this point, they are being guarded about their discovery / theory. My guess is that in fullness of time, they will reveal more. I happened to stumble upon it because of my interest in and googling of "lost gospels".

I have to admit that I would be a bit disappointed if this turns out simply to be a kind of allegorical reading of the Syriac text of Joseph and Aseneth found in Zacharias Rhetor (as anon. and Dan suggest above). Joseph and Aseneth is one of my favourite texts and as some will know, I have had a website up on it since 1999, and I've spent lots of time with it over the years. Although I would approach any new claims with an open mind, as I mentioned above, I think it would be extraordinarily difficult to justify a reading according to which it was composed as an allegory of Jesus' marriage to Mary Magdalene. I've read the Moses of Ingila correspondence too and although it describes the text as allegory (θεωρία), it certainly does not suggest an allegory of Jesus and Mary.

But could they really be referring to this text? Since it's neither "lost" nor a "gospel", I think the description would be seriously off base. And I am not sure where they would get the material about Tiberius and Sejanus, let alone Jesus' two children, so it may be that they have a different text in mind.

However, I must admit that there are indeed uncanny resemblances between Joseph and Aseneth and the hints they provide about their text -- it is 29 chapters long, the manuscript of Zacharias Rhetor is found in the British Museum (now the British library), it is in Syriac and it dates from the sixth century (well, they appear to claim the fifth). It is certainly not first century, but it may be that the blurb there confuses the date of the work (Joseph and Aseneth may well be first century) with the date of this Syriac textual witness. Further, the "Gentile priestess" comment could make sense if they are planning to associate Aseneth with Mary Magdalene.

Perhaps the most obvious link between the book's pre-publicity and Joseph and Aseneth, though, is the note about "bride of God", since this is the way that Aseneth is described in IV.2.

I hope, however, that this identification is incorrect and that these links are purely coincidental, since Joseph and Aseneth is not in any sense a "lost gospel", and the Syriac text is explicitly secondary to the Greek text, which is primary (as confirmed by Moses of Ingila).
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Mandalore
3/19/2014 09:35:47 am

Christianity was certainly very different before Paul. But that is because it was a sect of Judaism, not a 'Church of Mary Magdalene'. I assume he is using the late Gnostic Gospel of Mary Magdalene which is no more authoritative than the infancy gospels where a young Jesus kills people.

Why would someone try to assassinate Jesus when he was ~20 years old? There's no evidence he was doing anything important. Did he make some bad cupboards or a subpar bookshelf?

Connections to Roman elites is ludicrous.

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ralph ellis
11/10/2014 04:38:34 am

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The fact that Jesus married Mary Magdalene was not a problem. All rabbis had to marry. The real secret was that Mary Magdalene was also Jesus' sister. This is what the gospel authors have tried to cover up.

Most of the Egyptian and Jewish monarchs, married their sisters - just like Pharaoh Akhenaton, Queen Cleopatra, The Torah's Abraham (who married Sarah) and the N.T.'s Agrippa II (who married Berenice). In these Eastern cults and cultures, it was a sacred tradition and duty to maintain the bloodline, by marrying a close family member. And Jesus had the very same sibling betrothal, to Mary Magdalene.

In the historical record Mary Magdalene was Mary Boethus (Mary and Martha Boethus, of Talmud fame), and the Talmud says that these two sisters were the richest women in Judaea. Which is how these women paid for Jesus' mission (see Luke 8:3). And in the historical record, Mary Bothus married Jesus (Jesus of Gamala), a minor prince and governor of Galilee who led a rebel army of 600 'fishermen' and became the high priest of Jerusalem.

Yes, this is what the historical record, as narrated by Josephus and the Talmud, says. Please see the books: "Cleopatra to Christ" and "King Jesus".


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Matt Mc
3/19/2014 08:06:53 am

I think Simcha Jacobovici is the same kind of "researcher" that Wolter is. He is someone who comes from a completely different background, used books and TV reality based docs to conduct research and as demonstrated in his show NAKED ARCHEOLOGIST thinks that he is uncovering great secrets that no one before him has. It appears like Wolter he approaches a subject with a preconceived answer and presents things in a manner that supports his answer and ignores the rest.

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J.A.D
3/19/2014 09:57:19 am

AU just rolled out 13 of the batch of 26 Eps
so do these bright ideas from SW sorta hint
at what the next 13 in Season Three are all
going to be about? i think he retrenched his
strategic game plan, he did want an opening.

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Dr. Bryant Lister
3/19/2014 01:36:14 pm

Scott Wolter is a never ending source of comedy. I've been exchanging emails with him for the last month or so and it's been incredibly humorous. He repeatedly taunts me to posts on his personal blog site, and claims that I'm afraid to and that he 'will destroy me' on there. It's amazing that the History channel has given this charlatan a television show, he's mentally unstable and completely ignorant of the scientific method. However, his emails are a great source of comedy material.

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Dave Lewis
3/19/2014 02:27:00 pm

Wolter deletes posts from his blog that he doesn't like. It would be interesting to see if he would allow you to post anything.

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Steve St C
3/20/2014 05:43:48 am

1. Dr. Bryant Lister has been invited to post on Scott's blog. Being a coward, he turned that down and opted to post here instead.

2. Dave Lewis, you are a liar. Wolter does not delete posts from his blogs. Angry turds like yourself are welcome to post away and make complete fools of yourself.

Dr. Bryant Lister
3/20/2014 05:50:30 pm

Steve St C, I emailed Scott Wolter directly and I explained to him why I would not post on his personal blog. If he and you lack the reading comprehension skills to understand the reasons I explained to him, then I suggest you and he go back to school and gain those skills.

Steve St C
3/19/2014 05:24:58 pm

Dr. Bryant Lister has said above that Scott is "mentally unstable."

Jason, does this fit in with your new blog rules?
Just in cast, I've pulled a screen grab of the comment and the time stamp in case the law firm wants to take a look.

Dr. Lister, can you prove that Scott is mentally unstable? What proof do you have?

Thanks so much Jason for making this forum available for assholes like this to post such filth.

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Lynn Brant link
3/20/2014 12:36:35 am

When Scott is asked if he can prove a claim is true, he asks if you can prove it's not. Can you prove he is not mentally unstable?

"Kensington: The Story and the Stone," a short essay available for free download at Smashwords.com

Dr. Bryant Lister
3/20/2014 01:50:12 am

Steve, I have roughly 40 emails from Scott that demonstrate he has some serious issues. If someone wants to file a suit against me for my comments, go ahead. It would be hilarious to go through his emails in court. However, we both know this is just more of the empty threats and childish bravado that is a favorite tactic of Scott Wolter. Just like Wolter's claims in his fictional books and comedy show, there is no substance to your threats.

Matt Mc
3/20/2014 01:59:06 am

Steve there was nothing Libelous about the statements made. Maybe just a slim slim maybe you could make that argument for a private person but would be very costly and difficult to prove that damage was done to character or reputation, if that was the case the internet would be a constant source of litigation for libel cases.

That said Wolter is a public figure and well libel is even harder to prove against a public figure

Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages. (source Expert Law).

Lynn Brant link
3/20/2014 02:12:26 am

The threat is childish and stupid since, much like the age of a stone carving, the meaning of "mentally unbalanced" is in the mind. No different from calling someone foolish or naive, hardly actionable.

Matt Mc
3/20/2014 02:18:48 am

Of course it is Lynn but Steve doesn't care he thinks that statements like that might actually scare someone.

Sad really.

Walt
3/20/2014 03:23:39 am

It's just amazing that the same handful of people can all be experts on every single subject ever discussed here. How lucky the rest of us are.

And to think, some people have to study their entire lives to be good lawyers or geologists, yet somehow people commenting here who have never studied either subject for even one full year are so gifted that google is all they need. What are the odds so many gifted people would take time out of their schedules to gather in one place and do nothing but comment about somebody else's comments just for the benefit of the rest of us. How lucky we all are.

Matt Mc
3/20/2014 05:54:04 am

Walt,

I know libel laws very well. A large part of my professional career was being a story video editor for CNN and the State Department. I had to be very aware of what was being presented and what the producers wanted me to do vs what could have legal ramifications. In fact it was because of my own personal ethics and not wanting to participate in stories that I felt where heaving in mis-truths or out right untrue that I left the live news world 8 years ago.

I will be the first to admit I have never been great at expressing what I am thinking in writing, I work much better with images. Sometime like in the case of explain what libel is, it is much easier to cite someplace that explains it really well than try to put it in my own mixed up wording.

Walt
3/20/2014 06:59:13 am

Scott Wolter is a licensed geologist, TV show host, creator of a new science he calls archaeopetrography, and has testified under oath in a court of law where he was deemed to be an expert witness. No attorney would give the advice that calling him "mentally unstable" is not libelous. That doesn't mean it was, but I wouldn't say it without reading the 40 emails.

I've been online since 1989 so I have more experience with the subject than I'd prefer, and I actually agree with what you said, but I wouldn't have said it since it essentially gives legal advice that no lawyer would give.

Matt Mc
3/20/2014 07:11:41 am

My intention was not to give legal advice, Rather to point out that Steve was talking out his ass.

Dave Lewis
3/20/2014 12:51:57 pm

Steve St Clair called me a liar and an angry turd.

I dispute the liar and angry characterizations!

I must be doing something right to be insulted by Mr St Clair. I take it as an honor!

How's that for non-snarky?

Most of the other folks who promote non-standard ideas here eventually get tired of arguing and go away. Mr St Clair is very persistent.

Sinclair
3/23/2014 11:41:25 am

As I stsarted to read this thread I thought GEE this would most likely be where Steve StClair would suddenly appear and as I got further down in the comments yup lo and behold there he is.And guess what with the same old arrogance and lawsuit threats as usual. The courts would not have room for all these cases that STClair has threatened in the past.

Gossip has it Steve that you and Scott are doing another piece together. Not that I care one way or the other but as usual it snould be entertaining. Just wondering what outlandish claims you will have this time.

Oh and just a reminder so that no one relates the antics of Steve to anyone in the Sinclair family,it has been proven by DNA that Steve is in no way related to any Sinclairs in Scotland or the UK for that matter.

Walt
3/19/2014 02:00:11 pm

Wolter's ideas aside, nice job doing an article on Wolter without letting on that you guys can't stand each other. No personal attacks, snarkiness, or snide remarks! I'm impressed. Very civilized and professional.

As for his ideas, he continues to state that academia dismisses his findings while professionals concur with them. Somebody needs to get a dozen geologists on the record.

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KIF
3/19/2014 02:58:57 pm

The historical Jesus is very important to the Bloodliners - of course such a Jesus Christ would be demythologised and shorn of his supernatural status. But what's so important about a married Christ to these people in the first place? Why invent such a thing?

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Walt
3/19/2014 03:33:03 pm

Jason can probably provide the full history of the fringe theory, but it's probably more information than you ever wanted to know.

Even if one were to assume Jesus really was married and had children and that these stones on this continent are authentic, it's still quite a leap to believe they're related based solely on their "forensic geology".

Iggy
9/20/2022 02:01:51 am

There is an oral history of Jesus in the Americas from almost all the tribes. Only 2 of the tribes insisted on His name. "Geee zoos" is their oral tradition, which "I am" was pronounced "Gee" in ancient Aramaic or "Je" short for Jesus. So, if His name was not Zeus maybe that was why He told Moses to tell the Israelites "I am the I am"
And He might have went by Issa in Indía... Truth is stanger than fiction.
In my opinion the missing word on that text was that Jesus kissed Magdalena on her belly. Kissing His little daughter inside her....

The God of Snarkdom
3/19/2014 02:29:20 pm

This blog entry rated 0 on the snark scale.

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Shane Sullivan
3/19/2014 02:41:54 pm

"In a bit of news, Wolter told the paper he believes that Jesus’ child was a daughter."

Well, we already he had a daughter.

Her name is Kathleen McGowan.

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Shane Sullivan
3/19/2014 02:43:39 pm

Dammit...

We already *knew* he had a daughter.

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Dave Lewis
3/19/2014 02:50:26 pm

Good show, old chap!

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The Chosen One
3/19/2014 03:03:51 pm

Kathleen McGowan no longer parades the claim that she is a descendant of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. She figured it sounded stupid.

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Iggy
9/20/2022 02:12:21 am

It doesn't sound stupid to me. I believe I am a direct descendant. Both my daughters and my granddaughters look like most of the paintings of Mary Magdalene. The price of Freedom is people can believe whatever they want and they are allowed to say it, too.

Cathleen Anderson
3/19/2014 05:03:34 pm

I have asked a couple of geologists what they think of Scott Wolter. Their responses aren't really repeatable in civil conversation. I think they find him to be an embarassment. Kind of a Michelle Bachman/Sarah Palin hybrid.

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Martin R
3/20/2014 03:35:34 am

Now there is a connection worth exploring.

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SDrew
3/20/2014 10:10:45 am

...though not nearly as irritating and put-offish as a Nancy Pelosi/Barbara Streisand hybird !!

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El Snarko Grande
3/20/2014 12:56:47 pm

I was thinking what would happen if Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid had a kid.......

BillUSA
3/23/2014 11:57:47 pm

I don't know much about Bachman, but I think Palin was correct in her predictions about some things. She is smarter than most lefties would give her credit for but since the blog is about a person who goes around making assumptions, I'm not surprised that someone from the left would post such a reference as yours.

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Former Minnesotan
3/25/2014 02:17:41 am

I wish more people found Scott Wolter and America Unearthed embarrassing. The concept for the show is interesting, but what has been done with it is another thing completely. Claiming "facts" based on fake artifacts and omitting truths is not unearthing anything. Had to stop watching after the episode with the Minoans just couldn't take it anymore. It's so embarrassing that entertainment or comedy is hard to pull out of it.

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Graham
3/19/2014 05:14:58 pm

For me the first question that came to mind is this, does Anna Pratt have any connection to the company that makes America Unearthed?

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Mick Youther
3/23/2014 11:39:10 am

I did not know that geologists were "licensed".

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Gunn link
3/27/2014 06:34:42 am

From Jason: "His claim to letting the “rocks” speak for themselves isn’t even true if we take his claims at their word, for the rocks say nothing about Templar voyages."

Let's not be too hasty. The rocks possibly say something about Templar voyages, if one is able to take into account the few examples of possibly related rocks (stonehole rocks) found near "ostensible" Templar connections...as Wolter put forth in his X book. I believe I may have made reference to the page numbers, with quotations, in an earlier blog here. It wouldn't surprise me.

So then, Wolter DID make some reference between those stonehole rocks found in Europe, and the similarity (even exactitude) of those still being discovered here in the upper Midwest. The use of the hooked-X on the KRS also may be of Templar origin, though the case is apparently not as strong as Wolter would like to think--about the exclusive use of the hooked-X by Templars, that is.

I still think you have it wrong, Jason, about the evidences up here, including the KRS, but I don't have any hope or expectation of changing your mind. I just thought I might point out that it is, indeed, possible that Templars came to this region, perhaps even in a time-frame earlier than the 1362 KRS...maybe a hundred years earlier while they were still viable...and the KRS party was following-up in some way. (However, this appears to be a mostly Swedish thing, in my opinion.)

Again, Wolter pointed out possible links between stonehole rocks like those up here and those in medieval Europe, and they cannot be summarily dismissed. This naturally makes me wonder just exactly WHERE some of that Templar treasure may be hidden up here! Ha! Ha!

Sorry I don't have much time for posting these days...I'm very actively trying to promote a new kind of wind turbine I invented that I believe represents disruptive technology in the renewable energy field. The vertical axis wheel is double-enclosed...no whirling blades. The basic concept worked in ancient times, in Persia, for instance. I expect to finally have an animation available within days, and I'm busy preparing contact lists. Al Gore is the Big Fish to catch here. Or is it Tom Steyer? Anyway, on to fighting climate change...stonehole rocks will have to take a back seat for a while. Hey...how about me writing a new book, a bit later?

"Scandinavian Stoneholes in Medieval America."

Sounds like a good future blog heading, too, Jason. And if I may say so again, I think you would do well to ween yourself off that Alien/UFO crap. That's for a juvenile audience, unlike history. As you gracefully grow older, history will do you well. The other stuff seems immature for your talent and abilities. In other words, you should deal with material that is REAL and has actual substance, not with abstractions that never produce substance. This is not criticism, only genuine advice. (It can be a weening process...kind of like giving up a favorite blankie.)

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Julia Lewis
8/2/2016 10:10:35 pm

I spoke to a woman about what people have stated about the Bloodline of Jesus who was from Paris. She angered. Within a week of her returning home to Paris that supermarket blown up. The information that people had given me has been all correct and accurate against religious terrorists. I am reading the Bloodline of the Holy Grail and I have to admit that I am angered if these churches have known the truth for centuries and have made pun of so many people being lied to by them. How dare they?

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      • America Before Review
      • Native American Discovery of Europe
      • Interview: Scott Sigler
      • Golden Fleeced
      • Oh the Horror
      • Discovery of America
      • Supernatural Television
      • Review of Civilization One
      • Who Lost the Middle Ages
      • Charioteer of the Gods
    • Collection: Ancient History >
      • Prehistoric Nuclear War
      • The China Syndrome
      • Atlantis, Mu, and the Maya
      • Easter Island Exposed
      • Who Built the Sphinx?
      • Who Built the Great Pyramid?
      • Archaeological Cover Up?
    • Collection: The Lovecraft Legacy >
      • Pauwels, Bergier, and Lovecraft
      • Lovecraft in Bergier
      • Lovecraft and Scientology
    • Collection: UFOs >
      • Alien Abduction at the Outer Limits
      • Aliens and Anal Probes
      • Ultra-Terrestrials and UFOs
      • Rebels, Queers, and Aliens
    • Scholomance: The Devil's School
    • Prehistory of Chupacabra
    • The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair
    • Magicians of the Gods Review
    • The Curse of the Pharaohs
    • The Antediluvian Pyramid Myth
    • Whitewashing American Prehistory
    • James Dean's Cursed Porsche
  • The Library
    • Ancient Mysteries >
      • Ancient Texts >
        • Mesopotamian Texts >
          • Atrahasis Epic
          • Epic of Gilgamesh
          • Kutha Creation Legend
          • Babylonian Creation Myth
          • Descent of Ishtar
          • Berossus
          • Comparison of Antediluvian Histories
        • Egyptian Texts >
          • The Shipwrecked Sailor
          • Dream Stela of Thutmose IV
          • The Papyrus of Ani
          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
          • Inventory Stela
          • Manetho
          • Eratosthenes' King List
          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
          • Old Egyptian Chronicle
          • The Book of Sothis
          • Horapollo
          • Al-Maqrizi's King List
        • Teshub and the Dragon
        • Hermetica >
          • The Three Hermeses
          • Kore Kosmou
          • Corpus Hermeticum
          • The Asclepius
          • The Emerald Tablet
          • Hermetic Fragments
          • Prologue to the Kyranides
          • The Secret of Creation
          • Ancient Alphabets Explained
          • Prologue to Ibn Umayl's Silvery Water
          • Book of the 24 Philosophers
          • Aurora of the Philosophers
        • Hesiod's Theogony
        • Periplus of Hanno
        • Ctesias' Indica
        • Sanchuniathon
        • Sima Qian
        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
        • Sepher Yetzirah
        • Tacitus' Germania
        • De Dea Syria
        • Aelian's Various Histories
        • Julius Africanus' Chronography
        • Eusebius' Chronicle
        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
        • The Orphic Argonautica
        • Fragments of Panodorus
        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
        • Agobard on Magonia
        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
        • Yazidi Revelation and Black Book
        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
        • The Kensington Runestone (Hoax)
        • Islamic Discovery of America
        • The Aztec Creation Myth
      • Lost Civilizations >
        • Atlantis >
          • Plato's Atlantis Dialogues >
            • Timaeus
            • Critias
          • Fragments on Atlantis
          • Panchaea: The Other Atlantis
          • Eumalos on Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Gómara on Atlantis
          • Sardinia and Atlantis
          • Santorini and Atlantis
          • The Mound Builders and Atlantis
          • Donnelly's Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Morocco
          • Atlantis and the Sea Peoples
          • W. Scott-Elliot >
            • The Story of Atlantis
            • The Lost Lemuria
          • The Lost Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Africa
          • How I Found Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Termier on Atlantis
          • The Critias and Minoan Crete
          • Rebuttal to Termier
          • Further Responses to Termier
          • Flinders Petrie on Atlantis
        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
          • The Seven Cities
          • The Lost City of Paititi
          • Manuscript 512
          • The Idolatrous City of Iximaya (Hoax)
          • The 1885 Moberly Lost City Hoax
          • The Elephants of Paredon (Hoax)
        • OOPARTs
        • Oronteus Finaeus Antarctica Map
        • Caucasians in Panama
        • Jefferson's Excavation
        • Fictitious Discoveries in America
        • Against Diffusionism
        • Tunnels Under Peru
        • The Parahyba Inscription (Hoax)
        • Mound Builders
        • Gunung Padang
        • Tales of Enchanted Islands
        • The 1907 Ancient World Map Hoax
        • The 1909 Grand Canyon Hoax
        • The Interglacial Period
        • Solving Oak Island
      • Religious Conspiracies >
        • Pantera, Father of Jesus?
        • Toledot Yeshu
        • Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay on Cathars
        • Testimony of Jean de Châlons
        • Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar
        • The Many Wives of Jesus
        • Templar Infiltration of Labor
        • Louis Martin & the Holy Bloodline
        • The Life of St. Issa (Hoax)
        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
        • Fossil Origins of Myths >
          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
          • Fossil Elephants
          • Fossil Bones of Teutobochus
          • Fossil Mammoths and Giants
          • Giants' Bones Dug Out of the Earth
          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
        • Iron: The Stone from Heaven
        • Ararat and the Ark
        • Pyramid Facts and Fancies
        • Argonauts before Homer
        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
      • US Government Ancient Astronaut Files >
        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
      • Demonology and Witchcraft
      • Thaumaturgia
      • Bulgarian Vampires
      • Religion and Evolution
      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Scrapbook
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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