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Scott Wolter: Masonic Expert Says "Sinclair Journals" Not Consistent with the Latin and English of Their Alleged Time Period

11/30/2018

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​Having satisfied myself that Diana Muir’s so-called “Sinclair Journals” are unlikely to be genuine medieval records of minor noble Henry I Sinclair, Earl of Orkney’s secret voyages to America in the late 1300s on behalf of the defunct Knights Templar, I have largely stayed away from reading onetime History Channel and H2 TV personality Scott Wolter’s continuing discussion of his role in attempting to prove the texts authentic in the comments section of his blog. However, since he did choose to address last week one of the key questions that I raised in doubting the authenticity of the texts, I thought it worthwhile to highlight Wolter’s response to the question of whether any expert in medieval Latin or Middle English had examined the alleged pages of the journal to offer thoughts on whether the text is in fact accurate for the late fourteenth century date of its alleged composition. Here is what he said:
I can speak to the fact that PGMMN (Past Grand Master of Masons in Minnesota) Terry Tilton and I have had the three surviving pages, one in Latin, one in Old English, and one in modern English, sent to Masonic scholars in the appropriate languages in Scotland. An opinion was offered [that] the Latin and Old English were not quite consistent with the period and he suggested other opinions be sought by other experts which will happen. While I am quite confident the older journals were copied, most likely in the mid-19th Century, more research will be performed on those surviving pages as well as archaeological investigations based on content. This book is only the beginning of a much bigger story.
​This would seem to be highly relevant information, and facts that both Wolter and Muir declined to make public until directly questioned about the matter. It is marred a bit, however, by the fact that Wolter and Tilton asked a Freemason—his credentials beyond that are not given, and Wolter later says that Tilton alone can choose whether to share them—rather than recognized language experts to date the text. (Yes, Wolter speaks of Old English, but I presume he doesn’t know the difference between Old and Middle English.) According to Wolter, Muir provides a photo of the Latin text in her book, but it will cost $40 to view it, a price far too high for the dubious nature of the material.
 
Wolter’s excuse for the linguistic mismatch seems to be that a nineteenth century copyist changed the language, but that raises its own problems: If the text isn’t an accurate copy, by what right do we imagine it to be authentic at all?
 
Consider, for example, what Wolter says the journals contain: “Read the journals and you’ll learn the details about how the Scottish Templars started the mission to establish the ‘Free Templar State’, and then handed the ‘Covenant’ to our brethren you call the ‘Founding Fathers’, who finished the job.” Just leaving aside the fact that this contradicts or fails to match the entire rest of the historical record, it is rather remarkable that the text is somehow exactly aligned to claims that only emerged from speculators like Wolter in the past couple of decades. (Prior to Wolter and his circle, the Templar “state” was believed to be in Mexico, according to fringe theorists going back to Eugène Beauvois in the early 1900s.) Also—the typical form should be Templar Free State, on the model of the Congo Free State, though a genocidal colonial regime is probably not the right model for your imaginary medieval pagan hippie commune.
 
Muir, for her part, concurs with Wolter that Victorian copyists changed the texts:
Yes, one of the scholars said the Latin was not in the style that was typical of the age. However, we are working on a theory that they may have been copied by local scholars during the Civil War in order to preserve what they said. […] If they were copied by local Freemasons it would have taken a team of writers who knew different languages. With the nearby Greeneville College which taught classical languages it's very possible.
​Forgive me for stating the obvious, but it does not take experts to copy. Anyone of minimal literacy can look at text and copy it. High schoolers plagiarize that way all the time. You do not need to know what text means to scrawl the letters on paper. Indeed, many medieval texts were copied by scribes who had only minimal knowledge of the texts, as evidenced by transcription errors both unfortunate and hilarious. It may take experts to translate texts, but not to write out a copy of them.
 
Meanwhile, Muir said that she tried to have the pages of the Sinclair journals DNA tested (!) but elected not to reveal the results of those tests:
Yes, I had asked to have one of the journal pages tested for DNA because there appeared to be a blood spot on the last page of Henry's journals. I also wanted DNA run on the lambskin map. At the time I had all the originals, However, now without them, we aren't able to repeat the process and I've chosen not to reveal those results.
​And what would those results possibly show? Since the body of Henry is long gone, even if there were recoverable DNA, you aren’t going to match it to Henry. There are enough living Sinclair clansmen (legitimate, illegitimate, and fake) that any “connection,” should one be found, would be all but meaningless at 700 years’ remove—particularly since the living Sinclair family members haven’t been shy about promoting fakery around their family name.
 
Muir previously said that she disposed of all of the journals after translating them into modern English by burying them. She said that she now feels that this action is “mortifying,” but she has made no effort to recover the supposed journals.
 
Muir also told Wolter’s readers that she chose to block me on Twitter after accusing me of lying about replying to her tweet asking me to look at her book. After she contacted me on Twitter and requested that I examine the book, I had asked her to provide evidence supporting the claims that the journals were authentic. She declined to respond. She now says that it was a “mass tweet,” though she specifically tweeted the message to me individually (all tweets are “mass tweets” unless specifically tagged @ a handle), and she never saw the response before accusing me of lying. “I sent out a tweet about the book so that I could reach more people. Probably the first tweet in a very long time. I didn't ignore his message. I simply didn't see it until a few days ago and then made certain he was blocked. I choose not to endorse his type of journalism.” She prefers the type where you simply believe without proof that two dozen medieval journals are buried in a secret garbage pile because their translator didn’t think it important to keep them. (Her complaint that I priced her book wrong is also untrue; the listing she sent me via Twitter gave the price as $95; she changed it to $45 afterward. The original listing is no longer active, and the price has changed in the newest listing to $40.)
 
I’ll just finish up with this telling bon mot from Wolter, who now suggests that Templarism existed far beyond the formal membership of the Knights Templar: “Did it ever occur to you that being a ‘Templar’ begins first and foremost ‘in your heart’?” Sure it does. Aren’t we all really secret goddess cultists deep inside?
90 Comments
Jim
11/30/2018 10:08:26 am

Oh, oh,,,Wolter will be fit to be tied when he doesn't read this.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/30/2018 02:15:56 pm

It will only serve to harden his resolve. Combine that with knowing enough to be dangerous and you have..... well, a big pile of poo.

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gdave
11/30/2018 10:11:45 am

Jason,

I apologize for the off-topic post, but I wanted to submit this while the comment thread was still "clean."

I really enjoy your blog. I've read it daily for several years. I don't always agree with you, but I always find your work interesting and stimulating. The same used to be true of the comment section. Unfortunately, at this point it's effectively defunct.

I won't beat around the bush. The poster who as lately been going by the 'nym "American Cool "Disco" Dan" is a toxic presence.

They comment in the vast majority of comment threads. The vast majority of their comments aren't replies to the blog post itself, but responses to other commenters. And the vast majority of those responses contain nasty insults to other commenters.

As I am writing this comment, in the comment thread for the blog post of 11/28/18, American Cool "Disco" Dan has posted 9 of the 30 extant comments. In those comments, he address or refers to another commenter as "bitch", "lying little faggot", "BITCH", and "lying ass". And twice advises that commenter to commit suicide. This is typical behavior.

It's not as simple as ignoring their comments. They frequently clogs comment threads, as in the above where almost 1/3 of the comments are theirs. Those comments also frequently directly derail exchanges between other posters.

In the above cited thread, a long time commenter here, "An Anonymous Nerd", was attempting to interact with another poster, "Priceless Defender", and "American Cool "Disco" Dan" interjected, derailing the interchange into a confused mess as Priceless Defender responded to American Cool "Disco" Dan's attacks, while An Anonymous Nerd appeared to take those as responses to their comments. Again, this is typical behavior.

I rarely support banning a commenter. I think this is the first time I've ever openly advocated for banning a commenter from any forum.

I don't know if Weebly actually has the tools available to block a commenter. I know that this blog is a labor of love for you, not a money maker, so there's a very limited amount of time you're willing to spend on comment moderation. I don't know that there's a good solution. But unless there is, I think at this point, your comment section is, for most intents and purposes, dead.

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Rough Draft
11/30/2018 11:33:09 am

I completely agree with this post. American Cool "Disco" Dan (that's the most recent screen name, anyway) is the very definition of a toxic poster. He adds nothing to the conversation and seems to be only interested in disruption, personal attacks, and attempts to show his (imagined) superiority to other posters.
Jason, I know you believe in free speech, but the kind of idiocy that goes on in the comments section of your blog is in stark contrast to the valuable content that you provide in your posts. It's indefensible and harmful to the credibility of your entire website. I really do think some action is necessary.

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Joe Scales
11/30/2018 12:30:35 pm

I have a complaint. Here we are with a Wolter dedicated thread and Gdave has to go all tattle-tale and derail it. Can't he simply ignore posts from people coming from cultures he doesn't understand rather than seek to disenfranchise them?

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BigNick
11/30/2018 09:34:15 pm

ATRISK was right about you! He wasnt crazy after all

Riley V
12/1/2018 03:59:41 am

Are you five? Tattletale? You will never be the teacher’s pet.

Joe Scales
12/1/2018 11:10:12 am

You're in good company Nick. Should you ever wish to put a grand on your suspicion, since Jason tracks IP addresses, he can be the judge. Lay it down man, or slink away with crazy...

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/30/2018 02:11:27 pm

@GDave: Bless your heart as we say in the South. May I share with you a quote from one of my favorite posters?

"E.P. GRONDINE
5/15/2018 04:33:50 pm
Dear Dickwad -

Since you won't get up from your computer and go out and get laid, may I suggest that as an alternative you go fuck yourself."

E.P. GRONDINE
11/27/2018 08:59:23 pm
@Shit for Brains"

Are you perhaps an itinerant lighter sheath leatherworker? Are you the sock or the puppet?

There is already a procedure in place to get posts you find objectionable pulled. In the words of Scott Wolter, have at it.

In the meantime you are being a teeny bit of a pain in that which though it be sat on, be not a chair, though it doth trumpet loud, be not a military fanfare, and though it be divided in two with a crack in the middle, be not a frozen lake on which stands a nervous skater who has overestimated the strength of the ice.

Il faut cultiver son propre jardin.

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Riley V
12/1/2018 04:06:00 am

You also sound 5.

“But teacher, he did it first!!!”

David
11/30/2018 04:05:19 pm

+1
I have enjoyed this blog (and made some small financial contributions) for many years, but I am tired of the off topic and inappropriate comments that, as stated, "derail" the threads.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/30/2018 05:14:37 pm

"while the comment thread was still "clean."

I only just now got it. You have issues with black people.
Interesting.

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PGDAve
11/30/2018 06:53:57 pm

Jason,

I apologize for the off-topic post, but I wanted to submit this as a white inheritor of the correct version of America while the comment thread was still "Negro-free."

I really enjoy your blog. I've read it daily for several years. I don't always agree with you, but I always find your work interesting and stimulating. The same used to be true of the comment section. Unfortunately, at this point it's effectively defunct. I won't beat around the bush. The poster who as lately been going by the 'nym "American Cool "Disco" Dan" is a toxic presence. They comment in the vast majority of comment threads. The vast majority of their comments aren't replies to the blog post itself, but responses to other commenters. And the vast majority of those responses contain nasty insults to other commenters. As I am writing this comment, in the comment thread for the blog post of 11/28/18, American Cool "Disco" Dan has posted 9 of the 30 extant comments. In those comments, he address or refers to another commenter as "bitch", "lying little faggot", "BITCH", and "lying ass". And twice advises that commenter to commit suicide. This is typical behavior. It's not as simple as ignoring their comments. They frequently clogs comment threads, as in the above where almost 1/3 of the comments are theirs. Those comments also frequently directly derail exchanges between other posters. In the above cited thread, a long time commenter here, "An Anonymous Nerd", was attempting to interact with another poster, "Priceless Defender", and "American Cool "Disco" Dan" interjected, derailing the interchange into a confused mess as Priceless Defender responded to American Cool "Disco" Dan's attacks, while An Anonymous Nerd appeared to take those as responses to their comments. Again, this is typical behavior. I rarely support banning a commenter. I think this is the first time I've ever openly advocated for banning a commenter from any forum. I don't know if Weebly actually has the tools available to block a commenter. I know that this blog is a labor of love for you, not a money maker, so there's a very limited amount of time you're willing to spend on comment moderation. I don't know that there's a good solution. But unless there is, I think at this point, your comment section is, for most intents and purposes, dead.

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riley
12/4/2018 02:18:13 am

I have to agree. When one person makes enourmous effort to use ad hominems, homophobic, racist, ableist, sexist and whatever else comments, then you end up driving a large section of your audience away because they are not interested in being attacked in that manner.

There’s a huge difference between discussing and debating difference of opinion on any number of sociopolitical issues and using terms and phrases designed to troll and hurt people into not argument or not commenting at all. I disagree with Joe Scales on any number of issues but would rather read all his comments than a single one from American Whatever.

A good comment section is one where people of different opinions still feel respected, and that can’t happen when insults are the main tactic. I stopped bothering with the comments section, valuable as it is, because I can’t stand to see the vitriol anymore. It is offensive. And it’s intended to be. And Jason, you’re allowing it to continue.

Uncle Ron
11/30/2018 07:03:58 pm

I agree with Gdave. I often enjoy intelligent on-topic comments, a spirited on-topic debate, and even the occasional light-hearted joke as much as the blog itself. And, while I am in no way a prude, this is not the place for vulgar, profane, sexually explicit, scatological, and ad hominem trolling. It really tarnishes the luster of an otherwise intellectual experience.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/1/2018 12:22:12 am

So THIS would be problematic for you?

"E.P. GRONDINE
5/15/2018 04:33:50 pm
Dear Dickwad -

Since you won't get up from your computer and go out and get laid, may I suggest that as an alternative you go fuck yourself."

E.P. GRONDINE
11/27/2018 08:59:23 pm
@Shit for Brains"

Riley V
12/1/2018 03:53:50 am

Agreed. I quit reading the blog for a couple of months because of the insulting comments.
I just don’t get it. What is the point of the continuing drama created by two or three posters?

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Scott David Hamilton
11/30/2018 10:26:07 am

"his credentials beyond that are not given, and Wolter later says that Tilton alone can choose whether to share them"

What does that even mean? What kind of credentials can only be shared by the person who has them? I mean, I guess classified government work, but I don't think Latin and Old English scholarship falls under that.

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Jim
11/30/2018 10:37:08 am

Tilton is supposedly helping Wolter "vet" this nonsense. In doing so he has sent the work to his unknown Scottish Masonic "Scholars", it's their credentials that are being questioned.

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Doc Rock
11/30/2018 10:49:33 am

I just took another look at the discussion. Looks like Muir was pushed enough that she finally came up with the name of a legitimate expert who was involved in the project--a medievalist in Wales. But if I follow the comments correctly this person's main contribution was to agree with Muir that a cave would be a good place for Templars to hide.


The claims about the Masonic building being destroyed 5 times during the Civil war sounds rather odd given what is known about Masons during the Civil War.

Joe Scales
11/30/2018 12:37:32 pm

I just find it funny that Wolter thinks the term "masonic scholars" has some sort of accreditation beyond knowing a bunch of stuff about Freemasonry.

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Jim
11/30/2018 03:17:51 pm

That's all he has got left, masonic scholars, no real academic or scientist will touch him with a ten foot pole.
In his recent Jimmy Church interview, he opined that these manuscripts must be real because no one on the planet knows enough about these matters to fake them.
He claims himself, his wife Janet, Alan Butler and William F Mann are the only real knowledgeable people in these fields and that even with their combined knowledge they wouldn't be able to do it.

What makes me wonder, is the fact that Muir says the templars hid in the Wemyss caves.
On a quick search I couldn't come up with a reference to Templars being in these caves prior to 2012. (The carvings have since been proven to be from a relatively modern age and definitely not Templar) If anyone knows of any earlier references, I would be interested in knowing, otherwise I am just going to assume these manuscripts were concocted after 2012.

Riley V
12/1/2018 04:10:52 am

I too questioned the idea of “Masonic scholars”, especial ones that can read Old English (pre-1066). I ain’t buying it. Especially for $40.

Jim
12/1/2018 10:17:05 am

Riley V,

Doubly so, not only Wolters "masonic scholars", but apparently a group of civil war "masonic scholars" from Greeneville had the same skills and took the time out from rebuilding their masonic lodge 5 times to copy these journals.

J7
11/30/2018 10:39:32 am

I've been a huge fan of this blog for years and I've never posted but I want to second what GDAVE just said. This one poster has almost single-handedly wrecked civil discourse on here.

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Fast Eddie Tilson
11/30/2018 11:01:56 am

I agree with you about GDAVE's comments. It is sad that a poster like "American Cool/Disco Dan", who changed his handle from "Americanegro", can come onto a blog site and almost completely wreck it for others and Jason Colavito seems powerless to take any action. Because of his action, Mr. Colavito has lost a lot of readers and people who would post on his site who have something to truly comment on the subjects. Why come on to a site to subject yourself to insults. I am certain that "American Cool/Disco Dan" will come onto this site to insult those who have written in to complain. I am of the opinion he does not consider this to be Jason Colavito's blog, but his.

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Reg
11/30/2018 11:39:39 am

Yes, G'DAVE has hit it about right. However, I'll continue to read and enjoy Mr Colavito's blog for the interesting and knowledgeable writing he puts down. I'm a little in awe of Mr Colavito's breadth of knowledge on the subjects that he writes of.
As to AmericanCool ....., he shows only hat he is an ignorant fool who should be watched from a distance but never corresponded with.

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Jockobadger
11/30/2018 12:44:09 pm

Jason, I've been reading your blog for some time and only recently started posting an occasional comment. I enjoy most of the content, but have not usually commented unless I had a question or felt I had something to add. Much of your recent work on the Sinclaire/Muir/Wolter stuff is beyond my ken, so I've mostly stayed out of it.

I admit that I have sometimes posted comments that were either partly or, on a few occasions, almost entirely OT. They were political in nature and I believe I was usually responding to previous comments. However, I posted earlier today on a previous thread that I'll knock that off, though I'd surely like to be able to continue to respond to outright falsehoods. Otherwise, I'll keep my trap shut. Like others above, I have observed that some folks go too far with the ad hom and name-calling. I hope I haven't been guilty of that.

I appreciate your hard work. Thanks!

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Jason Colavito link
11/30/2018 01:44:20 pm

I appreciate all of the comments about the comments section. I will devote tomorrow's blog post to questions about comments. Let's go back to discussing today's topic here.

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Jim
11/30/2018 02:03:57 pm

Jason and all,

In case you haven't read this,
Wolter's peer reviews always seem to be a hot topic of contention.
All the answers can be found this article by Dr. Richard Nielsen.

https://websites.godaddy.com/blob/65151a46-8ee3-453c-83d3-7b1077c69c9e/downloads/1bjjqlckr_452803.pdf?78d0546c

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Shane Sullivan
11/30/2018 02:36:24 pm

"Also—the typical form should be Templar Free State, on the model of the Congo Free State, though a genocidal colonial regime is probably not the right model for your imaginary medieval pagan hippie commune."

Another option would be "Free State of Templar starring Matthew McConaughey".

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/30/2018 03:57:33 pm

Fortunately things are much better now in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Republic of the Congo.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/30/2018 04:40:40 pm

"DAVID
11/30/2018 04:05:19 pm
+1
I have enjoyed this blog (and made some small financial contributions) for many years, but I am tired of the off topic and inappropriate comments that, as stated, "derail" the threads."

Just so we're clear, are you saying you don't want to hear an old man going on and on about imaginary "impact events" or do you not want to hear someone with multiple disabilities go on and on about how the God of Christians and Jews is both insane and evil? Or are you saying you don't want to hear about stone holes?

Just what is it you don't want to hear? Asking because it is society's responsibility to cuddle and coddle you.

Telling someone being "A" is no way to go through life is not the same as calling someone "A". Yet I regularly get called "Shit for Brains" and that's A-Okay with you. I point it out and mock it but don't complain about it because I'm not a huge pussy. Note that I've even been civil lately with Doc Rock aka Cap'n Drinkypoo. When the revolution comes you're on your own.

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Doc Rock
11/30/2018 08:23:35 pm

For the sake of full disclosure you should have added that you were forced to turn to civility as a last resort after all else failed. And I just don't see it lasting all that long since this is about the third time in the last year or so that you have been ID'ed by multiple people as the main problem child at the kiddie table.

So yeah, a little change is in order. I'm happy to abide by whatever rules need to be imposed.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/30/2018 09:42:10 pm

@Doc Rock: No, I went with civility because making fun of your alcoholism and fascination with children got old, and au fond, you don't seem like a bad guy and you appear to want to keep Chief Grondine in line.

Doc Rock
11/30/2018 10:40:11 pm

I just realized this is kind of a strange new twist. Someone had to hijack this thread to protest the kiddie table constantly hijacking threads and now the kiddie table is trying to hijack the thread even though it is already all about them hijacking the thread from someone who first hijacked the thread to keep them from hijacking the thread.

Nightcap time.

E.P. Grondine
11/30/2018 08:30:44 pm

"I'm not a huge pussy"

Other people here appear to have a very different opinion.

I am pressed to find any positive contribution you have made to the discussion here.

Can you point any out?

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/30/2018 09:57:40 pm

Oh, hell yeah, Chief. Less than a week old. I've pointed out that you, little teapot, short and stout, in spite of spouting bullshit about the "native oral tradition" IGNORE the fieldwork of NATIVE David Cusick from the 1820s with regard to the STONISH GIANTS whom he explicitly says are INDIANS from the interior of the North American content.

Also clarified that despite your obsession the site in Morocco was clearly not the result of an impact event.

Corrected many of your limitless mistakes.

This is not my topic, I don't enjoy talking about this but apparently Chief does, Let's do the radio countdown thing and look at "Best of Chief":


"E.P. GRONDINE
5/15/2018 04:33:50 pm
Dear Dickwad -

Since you won't get up from your computer and go out and get laid, may I suggest that as an alternative you go fuck yourself."

E.P. GRONDINE
11/27/2018 08:59:23 pm
@Shit for Brains"

Huge Pussy says what?

Bezalel
11/30/2018 10:12:37 pm

Banishment is not necessary for American Cool Disco Dan (ACDD). I have seen his type of behavior many times and it comes from an axe to grind, sense of entitlement and a regret for not continuing education beyond the first step when he should have. It's very common among those who think like a 25 year old, but still haven't succeeded in anything. In ACDD's case, much more math was needed to master his subject, and the BS in Math is essentially useless unless coupled with a real useful degree like Engineering anyway.

Much like Wolter and others (Tom Bearden also comes to mind), who can't see the wisdom in keeping their mouths shut when they still don't know shit after the 1st degree, but instead shouting from the rooftops what they think they know because of a couple of rungs of intellectual development and a decade or two of undeveloped, inexpert practice.

It's actually better to let him continue, because this kind of exposure often eventually leads to self banishment; exposure meaning everyone in the room realizes he's all mouth. As for lack of civility? Sure, maybe but I've seen much worse.

Fact is, this is ACDD's 4th or 5th incarnation at minimum, and he's not even black. Took some time, but he finally figured out to use that strategy to gain immunity from ridicule and banishment. Just like a bad-apple religious Republican accusing others of what he himself commits.

Besides, banishment will only see him lurch back again in a next incarnation; different email, different name, more contrite at first and then belligerent again as time unfolds. After all, American Cool "Disco" Dan is long dead.

Let him be and maybe he'll grow out of it. I've seen that too.

Call me an optimist



American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/1/2018 12:15:38 am

Oh, Bezalel. Second incarnation, was originally Americanegro but decided that was too confrontational. There's no 4 or 5. You, my friend, have posted all kinds of crazy nonsense so don't get started. I have used the same fake email from jump street, where your mama lives. And yes, I am or ares depending on your preference, black. Do I sound too stupid to be black or too smart? Pick one, quick!

"Ooo! I'm in a wheelchair! Ooo! I have diabetes!" Ooo, I'm in reasonably good health.

"In ACDD's case, much more math was needed to master his subject" Oh, that's interesting. Share with the class what my "subject" is, Negro.



Matt
11/30/2018 11:32:50 pm

You should probably switch to using Disqus or Facebook comments. If you are using Weebly (?) I believe it's a configuration setting. It would remove the "anonymity" of posters and people couldn't hijack user names (yours included) and maybe give more options to block users.

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Priceless Defender
12/1/2018 01:08:25 am

I have to agree with everyone's comments to a certain degree. I too have been reading this blog for 3-4 years. There are some very interesting discussions on topics from a wide variety of academic disciplines. Then along comes the Pidgeon Chess Masters, discusting the enlightened minds, and completely killing the discussion.

"Pidgeon Chess- Flying in, knocking over all the game pieces, defecating all over the board, and flying away declaring victory."

I personally find it disrespectful on many levels to peddle your book on someone else's blog. Not to be rude, funny, amusing, or disrespectful but, the title of the book sounds like a sequel to "Brokeback Mountain". Much of the vulgarity results from these exchanges.

I apologize for inadvertently sidetracking another thread. It was not my intention.

As for Wolter- He has really stepped into a steamy pile. The flies should have given him a clue.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/1/2018 04:19:51 am

Enough about your sexual fantasies or whatever that was. But PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MONTRESOR, learn to spell "pigeon" won't you?

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Priceless Defender
12/1/2018 12:37:32 pm

It's intentional dude. I'm not wanting to offend the birds with the comparison. I still have to walk underneath them as they fly.

Jim
12/1/2018 04:19:30 pm

If you "Look Inside" (page 4) Muir's Book on Lulu, it appears now that she intends to write 20 books in this series.
She seems to want to suck every cent she can from this. Write the books first, do the "vetting" and confirmation latter,,,,,,, much, much later. White paper anyone?
You should have taken up knitting Diana.

http://www.lulu.com/shop/diana-j-muir/the-lost-templar-journals-of-prince-henry-sinclair-book-1-1353-1395/paperback/product-23844155.html

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Doc Rock
12/1/2018 05:12:55 pm

Look on the bright side; there is now a thriving self-publishing and vanity press industry that employs a lot of people one way or another. As long as people like Muir "publish" 20 volumes sets of nonsense the people employed in those industries will have jobs.

On a related note, after reading some comments over on Scott Wolter Owned, I did a little checking. One of the professional outfits that published one of his books looks to be one of those predatory presses that are happy to review a book and publish it, if the prospective author is willing to pay them a nice chunk of money as a condition of reviewing the book.

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Jim
12/1/2018 05:31:36 pm

The more I see the more ridiculous this book is, why were the Templars hiding away in the Wemyss caves between 1373 and 1388 ?
Who was looking for them ?
Nobody that's who !!
That is over 70 years past the halfhearted arrests and trials in Britain where all but 2 of the Templars were set free and awarded a pension. Most of them were never even arrested.

And then to give a book dedication to Niven Sinclair, a multiple time convicted child rapist,,,,, yikes.

Doc Rock
12/1/2018 06:29:27 pm

From what I have seen in the pictures, the caves appear to be just a step or two up from rock shelters. Shallow caves that are probably known to everybody in the general areas are not the best places to hide for extended periods. Certainly not good spots to be in if a lot of people with bad intent are supposed to be after you.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/1/2018 07:07:36 pm

While I continue to adhere to my "Scott Wolter is an idiot" rule of thumb I think the self-publishing industry is a good thing. It's Wolter's constant lying I cannot abide.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/4/2018 12:14:23 am

"You should have taken up knitting"

Madame DeFarge runs the knitting game around here..

WHO RUN KNITTINGTOWN?

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Kal
12/2/2018 04:51:43 pm

I say again, from before, what is Muir and Wolter's angle? They won't become rich from the sum of half baked book sales. Scott does not have a current History show. They can't hope to get fame out of some now discarded papers, conveniently destroyed long ago. Similar to Oak Islands non existent treasure, there is not there....there.

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Jim
12/2/2018 06:32:50 pm

Word has it there may be a show in the offing for Wolter.
He has dropped hints that the "proof" will be when they dig up artifacts from locations given in the manuscripts.
Soooo,,,,,,,Oak Island South, I suppose,,,,, use the tried and true formula of digging up holes in the ground and finding nothing. Unimaginative copycatism, but that's Wolter.

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Doc Rock
12/2/2018 06:59:08 pm

Kal,

Remember the "balloon boy" hoax? They wreaked havoc just for a long shot at creating some sort of media profile that would pay off in the future. Ended up doing a little jail time and paying big fines.

I would assume that a self-published book that sells well would generate some money, followed by a shot as a talking head on some shows like America Unearth, followed maybe a show of their own, followed by some decent fees for speaking engagements. Plus, a lot of people will risk life and limb just for 15 minutes of fame even if they don't make a cent out of it.

So the answer to the question "what does she stand to gain from this?" is potentially any number of things. The answer to what do THEY stand to gain is much the same thing. By playing the card of making sure that all these fringe theories, and the alleged conspiracies against them, connect in some way they stay relevant.


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Raparee
12/3/2018 10:53:32 am

Regarding Terry Tilton's credentials:

"After he graduated high school he attended Bemidji State University. Shortly before he enrolled, the requirements for the ministry degree changed — students only needed two years for an associate's degree and three years at divinity school. Tilton was required to attend four years of undergraduate school and then three years of divinity school. He majored in German and vocal music, took a year off and then entered graduate school at the United Theological Seminary of the Twin Cities in New Brighton, Minn."
https://www.wahpetondailynews.com/news/tilton-strives-to-provide-values/article_be114ce5-7185-5153-b253-3e791e92ed32.html

...German and vocal music...

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Doc Rock
12/3/2018 09:04:46 pm

An undergrad degree in German from Bemidji would probably qualify one to follow the dialogue in a Hogan's Heroes re-run. Not sure how it would be applicable to vetting the Sinclair Diary.

Next thing you know they will have someone with an undergrad degree in geology from a 3rd tier school in Minnesota telling Archaeology, Geology, and Linguistic Ph.D.'s that he don't need no stinking peer review. Wait, what...….

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Jim
12/3/2018 09:09:27 pm

He knows a Mason, who knows a Mason, who is from Scotland,,,

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/3/2018 11:55:50 pm

When you're right, you're right,

Priceless Defender
12/3/2018 02:56:01 pm

While I, highly doubt the authenticity of these journals, and in no way endorsing them, Wolter's use of Masonic Scholars makes some degree of sense. These unnamed people would have access to private libraries not available to the public. Same as Vatican Scholars would have access to private Catholic libraries. Possibly even the alleged Vatican Secret Library. Not sure why it's always called secret, when everyone knows about it, and it's no longer in the Vatican.

I, myself have had the privilege to view books in private libraries, I have never come across elsewhere. One did suddenly appear in paperback in 2008.

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Jim
12/3/2018 03:32:05 pm

Wolters use of unidentified "Masonic Scholars" is nothing more than a weak attempt to add some sort of legitimacy to his latest fantasies.
He has completely rejected mainstream qualified people in favor of any crackpot that agrees with his unsubstantiated rubbish.
Look at the qualifications of Terry Tilton that Raparee has provided for example.
Wolter thinks people will buy his crap research if he can hide it under some sort of Masonic umbrella of legitimacy.

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Priceless Defender
12/3/2018 03:45:31 pm

@Jim

i find myself agreeing with you more, and more every day. I may have went over-the-top on the Mormon angle but, she was deflecting, and it was imperative to throw her off.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/3/2018 08:11:57 pm

I have books no one else has. It means nothing.
Other people have books no one else has. It means nothing.

People who call themselves "Vatican Scholars" or "Vatican Researchers" are generally pompous asses who belong to one or more neo-chivalric associations who signed up on a clipboard.

"Vatican Scholar" is at the same level as "Registered Voter".

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Priceless Defender
12/3/2018 09:19:48 pm

The sky must be falling. This is the third time I agree with you. Either, I'm going to get struck by lightning, or win the Powerball. I shall run in a zigzag pattern to the gas station. Wait...I probably shouldn't go near pumps. This could be a set up.

Jim
12/4/2018 12:37:40 am

Masonic Scholars:

No science, languages, etc. they mostly just read Masonic books and give book reports and talks about them.
No classes or curriculum, just pick some books from a list and viola, you too can become a "Masonic Scholar".

https://pamasonicacademy.org/certification-process/

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Priceless Defender
12/4/2018 01:39:10 am

Wow! I did not know that about Masonry. In a way, this reminds me of my first trip to a gentleman's club. It's amazing what some people are willing to do for a dollar. Just $1.

I wonder the cost of faking 3 pages, as opposed to 20 volumes. Anyone know the going rate for lamb skin? Please don't say $6 a box. I'm not talking about those.

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Jim
12/4/2018 11:10:37 am

Priceless Defender:

All of Wolters earlier falsehoods, con jobs and outright BS were laid bare by Richard Nielsen.

This includes his "proof" that the KRS must be over 200 years old because the biotite (a type of mica) on the surface of the carved runes had completely weathered away.
Problem is there never was any biotite to actually weather away. There is no biotite evident in the core sample taken from the KRS, as evidenced in By Paul W. Weiblen Professor Emeritus Department of Geology and Geophysics
University of Minnesotas report including electron microprobe (EMP) analyse.
Wolters dating of the KRS is a sham and a joke.

Weiblens report:

https://websites.godaddy.com/blob/65151a46-8ee3-453c-83d3-7b1077c69c9e/downloads/1bjjr2j2i_6396.pdf?1990c761

Wolters Lies about peer review exposed, and the Swedish teams response to Wolters data and their study of the KRS including Dr. Löfvendahl :

https://websites.godaddy.com/blob/65151a46-8ee3-453c-83d3-7b1077c69c9e/downloads/1bjjqlckr_452803.pdf?78d0546c

Although Richard Nielsen (Wolters co-author of his first book) has since passed away, he has kindly left behind all of his damming evidence of Wolters falsehoods and shananigans which can all be found here.

https://richardnielsen.org/files



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Priceless Defender
12/5/2018 10:25:31 am

Jim,

Thank you for the links! I'm going to need some time to digest the information. My last Geology course was over 20 years ago.

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Jim
12/5/2018 11:24:31 am

When you look at Prof. Weiblens report don't forget to remember Wolters recent comment to me where he willfully lies.

"Dr. Wieblen did not review thin sections, he performed one micro-probe analysis on the weathered top surface. He also described the thickness of the top portion of the core sample (approximately 35 mm (1-3/8”) diameter by 12 mm (1/2”) thick), but did he not test this vertical surface, he tested the top, horizontal weathered surface. To no one's surprise, he found no mica's."

Priceless Defender
12/5/2018 11:44:27 am

Jim,

After reading Mr. Colavito's review of his Akhenaten book, I have completely changed my mind . I'll give just three reasons.

1. The double-headed eagle is a symbol for Ninurta, the son of Enlil. This symbol predates the Hittites.

2. The idea of monotheistic dualism can be traced to Zecharia Sitchin. He literally coined the term.

3. The St Louis Arch is indeed a sexual symbol. I know for a fact Wolter got this idea from Alan Butler. I can no longer prove it due to Yahoo deleting my email account. I gave this idea to Butler via private email in 2008.

To me, it seems like the purpose of some sites is to mine the public for information.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/5/2018 05:43:02 pm

I would like to hear the story about why Yahoo deleted your email account.

Know what's also a sexual symbol? Every railroad tunnel ever. And Parkay Margarine, "spread'n'ready". The CBS Eye and the NBC PeaCOCK. What is the Capitol Dome but a huge breast with an Indian shaped nipple (yes, the goddess Columbia blah blah)? Fun fact: the Statue of Liberty was constructed without undergarments. Don't even get me started on the Grand Canyon.

But what did it take to get Yahoo to delete your account?

Priceless Defender
12/5/2018 07:00:20 pm

ACDD,

St. Columba is the constellation Orion. Columbia seems to refer to the feminine aspect of said constellation.

I am aware of the breast too. Same thing has been sad about the Egyptian pyramids. Again Orion pops up. Sign of the Widow...blah, blah.

There is quite a bit of symbolism encompassed within the archway . The Arch is also a Chevron...Can you see the circle?

If you are, whom I think you might be, you should know the answer to your question. My answer is...I am still not sure.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
12/5/2018 07:25:53 pm

"2. The idea of monotheistic dualism can be traced to Zecharia Sitchin. He literally coined the term."

Not just no but FUCK NO. Badger used it in 1918 in his Zoroastrianism and Judaism. I do not assert that this is the first use of the term.

Even without research, Sitchin and anyone who relies on him can reliably be contradicted on anything whatsoever.

Priceless Defender
12/7/2018 07:06:16 pm

I can't speak with certainty about anything pre-1977 when my power of reading manifested. I don't rely on Sitchin for anything. He must not have been aware of the Astronomer Priests tracking orbits other than the planets. Interesting books at the time.

Mike Morgan
12/10/2018 09:29:02 pm

Jim & Joe Scales, Et al

Are we all excited? Finally, only 3 years in the making, we have what many have been seeking - a "review" of Wolter's geological work on the KRS by a Wolter qualified geologist, hereafter to be referred to as a "peer review". Certainly this highly definitive and rigorous "peer review" puts the exclamation point on settling the issue for all time.

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2018/12/a-qualified-geologists-peer-review-of.html

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Jim
12/10/2018 11:27:18 pm

That was a peer review ?
Somehow I feel disappointed.
I haven't even posed a question, but already I see the heavy hand of censorship on only the third person to comment.
Its probably pointless to ask a pointed question, so I'll hang back for now.

Joe Scales
12/11/2018 10:16:45 am

Wonder how he feels about calcite?

Jim
12/11/2018 07:38:25 pm

Calcite, biotite, soil PH balance, I'm sure Wolters versions of his reports that this fellow saw are as censored as his blog comments.
Not that it matters, since:
"A Qualified Geologist’s Peer Review of Scott Wolter’s Geological Investigation into the Kensington Rune Stone"
doesn't appear to include the actual peer review, so we don't get to see Wolters shenanigans.

Joe Scales
12/12/2018 09:26:19 am

Well, someone ought to ask for a complete litany of all the chemical, mechanical and environmental processes the rock had been exposed to over the last hundred years or so and how it would affect his judgment if unknown.

Jim
12/5/2018 11:51:11 am

A nice read refuting all the bogus claims about Henry Sinclair.

http://www.alastairhamilton.com/sinclair.htm

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Joe Scales
12/5/2018 01:49:29 pm

Very funny scene on Curse of Oak Island last night where the
Cremona Documents made a guest appearance. It would seem that Zena Halpern's son needed to clear out all her crap from the townhouse... and there were piles of it... and the Oak Island boys were happy to oblige. They packed it all up and hauled it away in a trailer. To be continued!

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Jim
12/5/2018 03:58:53 pm

Great, Wolter will be choked with jealousy, he has been dirting Oak Island at every opportunity.

Joe Scales
12/5/2018 04:53:43 pm

I really do wonder if Zena's son sold all that junk, or just gave it away to be on tv. Either way, he looked happy that it was gone.

Jim
12/5/2018 05:08:07 pm

I would say, what could it possibly be worth ? But then, didn't they pay $10.000 for a fake sword ?

Joe Scales
12/5/2018 06:46:36 pm

Given such precedent, 10K would have to be the opening bid. And who knows... maybe the Laginas outbid Wolter. Hence his disappointment with his late contemporary's "work".

Jim
12/5/2018 09:09:30 pm

I wonder who gets to "vet" Zena's mountainous stacks of notes, books and documents. That has "career" written all over it for someone like Barkhouse, instead of his role of nodding sagely every once and a while.

Joe Scales
12/13/2018 11:35:35 am

Rick Lagina gets to do the vetting now that he's a fellow "Researcher"!

Jim
12/16/2018 10:06:44 pm

I see Wolters geologist buddy has added some more meat, including photos, to his "peer review" in Wolters latest blog entry.

https://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2018/12/a-qualified-geologists-peer-review-of.html

At any rate he has a photo of a 500x enlargement of the fracture side of the KRS. It has this caption:

"The other is at the microscopic level of an SEM image showing “numerous bladed-shaped biotite and muscovite mica minerals”. [see p. 37, fig.36, KRS-CNE]. "

That's right, the biotite that Walter claims all weathered away and cannot be found on the exterior of the KRS

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Jim
12/16/2018 10:30:29 pm

Oops bumped the reply button accidentally

Continued:

That's right, the biotite that Walter claims all weathered away and cannot be found on the exterior of the KRS seems to be all over the place !! What's going on? Can't get their story straight ?
Bearing in mind that when the much more credible Dr. Wieblen examined the core sample he found no biotite in the interior of the stone at all !!

Wolters main point for the dating of the KRS carving is the lack (weathered away) of biotite on the surface of the KRS (including especially the carved areas)
Dr. Wieblen found no biotite at all, making Wolter wrong.
Wolters new geologist buddy finds biotite on the outside surface of the KRS,,,, making Wolter wrong again.
I'm thinking of Dr. Wieblen as being the only one out of the three as credible.

Oh! What A Tangled Web We Weave When First We Practice To Deceive !

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Vanessa Barnes
1/16/2019 05:49:57 pm

You know, I read Ms. Muir's book and she clearly states in the introduction that it's very possible that the journals were copied during the Civil War to preserve what they said. True, it doesn't take a genius to copy something, but it does take someone who is literate and in the 1860s, those people were far and few between in Greene Co., TN, where I live. They're a bunch of high hillbillies, and I love them all! And yes they took them to qualified experts in Scotland. That was said too in the book, but OH! You DIDN'T READ IT!!! Duh!

Quit beating a dead dog and wait for them to come up with artifacts. That's what I'm waiting for!

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Zeno
3/13/2019 01:56:41 pm

Vanessa Barnes/Shirley Taylor/Diana Muir/numerous other aliases,

Give up already. Henry Sinclair left no journals. He wasn't a Knight Templar and none of the above went to the New World.

May I suggest YouTube? Maybe start a genealogy show on YouTube.
You could call it The Naked Genealogist You will get tons of attention.

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Addison link
6/14/2023 04:41:49 pm

I recently conducted my own investigation into Diana's alleged discover of the Sinclair / Weems journals. Turns out, she has a lifelong history of making similar extraordinary claims. Please see my blog post for more info:

https://searchingforheritage.blogspot.com/2023/05/modern-myths-of-weems-family-history.html

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