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Scott Wolter on Doing the Work of an Archaeologist: "Really? Why Can't I?"

12/11/2016

32 Comments

 
​Early Saturday morning, in the wee hours, former television personality Scott Wolter appeared on Coast to Coast A.M. (audio behind paywall) to discuss the so-called Jesus Ossuary, a first century funeral box inscribed with a name some interpret to be that of Jesus, with guest host David Schrader. I must admit that I don’t get the appeal of these kinds of talk radio shows. What do they sound like to people who aren’t already steeped in fringe history? If I didn’t already know about Scott Wolter and his work, I don’t think that the interview would have made any sense at all. Are listeners expected to come to shows like these already up to date on the latest crazy-quilt of claims?
​“Enjoy the show for what it is: entertainment,” Schrader said at one point. “And maybe you’ll learn something by accident if you listen for a little bit.” I believe Scharder is entirely correct: The show has no informative value, and the only way one learns anything from it is entirely by accident.
 
Wolter started the interview by disclaiming any attempt to offend Christians but saying that he had to live in the “real world” by assuming Jesus was not God. Schrader takes exception to this and proposes the old heresy of adoptionism, first proposed by Theodotus of Byzantium, to explain how Jesus could be a man subject to physical laws, while only becoming God when “filled with the Christ” at his baptism. If you think Schrader knows he was talking about adoptionism, or that it is an age-old heresy rather than an exciting modern discovery, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Wolter, by contrast, claims that the entire Christian story is an “allegory” and “never happened.” This, of course, undermines Wolter’s own claim that “real historical people” are responsible for the Christ story. If the documents are unreliable and can’t be trusted, then by what right do we assume that Jesus married Mary Magdalene? The only reason for that are myths and legends read into the same Biblical texts that Wolter blithely dismisses as fiction. Just to put this in a way Wolter can understand: By his own logic, there is no way to distinguish between a real Holy Bloodline conspiracy and, for example, fiction made up by the Knights Templar after they visited the Talpiot Tomb (the Jerusalem sepulcher Wolter believes holds the ossuaries of Jesus and his family) and read a set of names off of the ossuaries.
 
Following this, Wolter repeats his usual set of fictions about how the leadership of the Knights Templar were lineal descendants of Jesus and instigated the Crusades so they could recover the bones of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and find “something hidden along with these ossuaries.” This claim doesn’t hold water unless you could find proof that Jesus’ descendants (a) existed and (b) were resident in France. This claim, with its echoes of the Merovingian bloodline claims from Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, only works if you accept the medieval legends that Mary Magdalene lived and died in France, a story that is much less likely to be true if she is buried beside Jesus in Jerusalem. (For that matter, the Orthodox Church and the Catholics outside of France prior to the High Middle Ages long held that Mary Magdalene’s body is in Ephesus.)
 
Wolter alleges that the Knights Templar wanted to obtain the bones of Jesus in order to have power over the Catholic Church, since they could blackmail the Church over the claim Jesus ascended to heaven. He does not explain how anyone would know that the bones are those of Jesus. Schrader immediately relates this to Hitler and fantasizes about how Hitler could have used the corpse of Christ to win World War II. He wonders why the secret Templars did not give Hitler talismanic Jesus bones to help him, and Wolter speculates that hiding Jesus’ bones is “more frightening” and “powerful” than showing them. To that end, he believes that fictional bones or imaginary ones are better than real bones because you can psych out the Catholic Church in a way that real bones might not do because they might be attacked or ridiculed as hoaxes. Uh-huh.
 
In the second hour, things start to get weird. Taking a cue from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Wolter speculates that three skulls found in the Talpiot Tomb were in fact those of three Knights Templar, placed there as guardians of the Jesus tomb in what he says are the “exact” positions where leaders of a “Templar preceptory” would sit.
 
Schrader says that the Catholic Church is “backpedaling” in order to accept that some parts of the Bible aren’t literally true. Wow. Schrader is only a few centuries out of date! Schrader, a Lutheran, seems unaware that the Catholic Church hasn’t endorsed a literal interpretation of the Bible practically ever. Literalism is a Protestant obsession, and even then primarily among fundamentalist sects.
 
Wolter delivers an impassioned defense of his ability to perform the job of an archaeologist. “People have accused me – ‘Well, you’re not an archaeologist, and, you know, you’re a concrete guy, and you’re a geologist and you can’t do geology’ – Really? Why can’t I?” He added, “Last I checked, archaeologists dig in the ground, they look at stone artifacts like arrowheads and hammers, stones, and all that. And that’s a world I’m very comfortable in, so I’m not saying I’m an archaeologist but there are aspects of archaeology that I would think they could use my help in.”
 
Both Wolter and Schrader believe that academics are too stubborn to accept help from what Schrader described as paranormal research and what Wolter says is a different scientific perspective. Both agree that academics are too territorial and don’t accept new ideas. Neither of them was able to articulate an understanding of archaeological field methods, or even an understanding that the history of civilization isn’t written in a handful of prestige artifacts yanked willy-nilly from the ground out of context.
 
As the interview wound down, Wolter reached deep into old Victorian “Jesus myth” claims, saying that many researchers “believe” Jesus was the “sun” and not the “son.” The late Achayra S was big into that one, but she didn’t invent the claim.

​But perhaps the most interesting part of the final minutes was when Biblical fundamentalists called in to berate Wolter for not giving enough respect to the Bible, literal interpretations thereof, and the person of Jesus overall, and then suspecting him because he is a Freemason, which listeners for Coast to Coast A.M. have long been taught to believe is an evil organization trying to take over the world. Another caller reminded Wolter that even experts have been duped by hoaxes like the Hitler diaries, and asked Wolter why he believes that Talpiot Tomb is that of the Jesus family if the Bible, the oldest source for the lives of the people allegedly found in the tomb, says that the people involved traveled all over and were not in Jerusalem to die and be buried. Wolter flailed around a bit in response, and Schrader prevented callers from following up on their questions. Wolter eventually decided that maybe the Jesus family were brought to the tomb “centuries later.” If that’s the case, then Wolter undermined his own ideas since the creation of a “Jesus family tomb” centuries after the fact could not be distinguished from a pious fraud, a hoax, or an ill-supported tradaition, like the tomb of Jesus at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. 
32 Comments
John
12/11/2016 09:47:33 am

Of course archaeologist do use geologists to help them all the time, but of course Walter acts like that never happens simply because he's not one of the people that they would contact.

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Only Me
12/11/2016 10:29:04 am

I think Wolter's answer to the "Why can't I" question is one he applies to every situation where he offers an opinion on a subject beyond his expertise. Take, for example, how he says he knows enough about runes "to be dangerous."

"I’m not saying I’m an archaeologist"

But he apparently has no problem with being called a historian, something he clearly is not.

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Scotty Roberts' Doppleganger
12/11/2016 11:03:54 am

Funny how these fringe types want to be recognized for expertise they don't have. Scotty Roberts who claims to be a theologian and historian, John Ward who claims to be an archaeologist, Egyptologist and paleontologist, Scott Wolter who claims to be an historian and wants to be seen as equal to an archaeologist...I think they all recognize, deep down, that they're full of shit and try to make up for it by claiming such expertise.

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Clint Knapp
12/11/2016 08:31:44 pm

This is the same Scott Wolter who conflated a cup of coffee into an Honorary Masters Degree to make himself appear a more competent and learned geologist for many years, as well. That stripped of him, what other choice does he have but to seek new titles to collect?

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Tom
12/11/2016 11:14:12 am

The Empress Helena visited Jerusalem in the 4th Century and like all tourists shopped around for momentoes eventually ending up with the true cross (tor at least a cross) and other relics but was never told of the Talpiot Tomb.
This is most odd since she did press the Bishop of Jerusalem to search out any evidence of the Messiah portable enough to be shipped back to Constantinople, or if Heretical, destroyed.
The Talpiot Tomb has also survived waves of heretic hunters, apostates, infidels etc to the present age when finally the light dawned on the academic world.
Someone could write a whole book on this alone.....
But please don't.

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Jim
12/11/2016 12:35:57 pm

Butt, butt, butt butt,,,, there is a hooked x. If there is a hooked x it must be true. Wow,, does this prove the Knights Templar were around ten centuries previous to what we were led to believe? Wow !!! Perhaps they found secret knowledge of Longitude in this Ossuary. This all ties in nicely with the fake map with a hooked x, thus proving that the Templars knew how to measure longitude seven or eight centuries before anyone else and also mapped out America hundreds of years before Columbus arrived.
Has anyone noticed that if you draw numerous lines from star to star in the night sky that you come up with thousands of hooked x symbols ? Was God himself a Knight Templar? And if God was a Templar, therefore the Nephilim likely were as well. Were the Templars Nephilim ?
Is it any wonder that the Church tried to eradicate the Templars when they found out they were Nephilim ???
Go Scotty go !!! Find us the truth out there !!

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Jim
12/11/2016 01:00:13 pm

P.S. someone should buy Scotty and the Hooter some Ozzy Man T shirts,,,

https://www.facebook.com/commerce/products/1081198515329920/

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Carl Feagans link
12/11/2016 01:32:24 pm

This is a prime example of metacognitive inability to recognize his own incompetence. In short, he doesn't know enough to know what he doesn't know.

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Shane Sullivan
12/11/2016 01:35:45 pm

Ooh, ooh, I know this one--it's called the Dunning-Kruger effect!

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Jim
12/11/2016 01:42:42 pm

I don't know all the ten dollar words, but, we call it being a dumbass.

Americanegro
12/12/2016 04:06:53 am

Just so you know, DK Effect is a term that internet douchebags use. Do yourself and the universe a favor and don't use it.

Joe Scales
12/11/2016 11:07:25 pm

True. Wolter is the Inspector Clouseau of forensic geology.

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DaveR
12/12/2016 10:07:33 am

And just like the fictional Inspector Clouseau, the factual Wolter is hilarious to watch.

Seamus
12/11/2016 01:57:31 pm

' In the second hour, things START to get weird. '?

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Jason Colavito link
12/11/2016 02:25:33 pm

Relatively speaking. The first hour was mostly crap we've heard many times before, so it doesn't even register as strange to me anymore.

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Ken
12/11/2016 03:48:11 pm

I realize that professionals don't want to waste their time with crackpot ideas which they have seen debunked many times. On the other hand, the amateurs don't want to hear the actual reasons and evidence that their ideas are wrong.

But you would think there is some way that the dialogue could be a little less contentious and a little more instructive to all involved. There always seems to be a glimmer of truth somewhere in fringe theories which deserve to be acknowledged before being contradicted by simply presenting the evidence (which Jason usually does, quite convincingly).

Maybe a more civil forum between amateurs and professionals would curtail (even a tiny bit) the endless proliferation of flawed theories.

For example - somewhere in the distant past Scott probably presented one of his theories to a pro who basically laughed in his face - end of conversation. This not only engenders an environment of distrust of all professionals and academics as snobs, but it causes one to double down on trying to prove one's self right.

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12/11/2016 04:36:13 pm

But see, that's the rub and has been debated in skeptical circles. What is the minimum level of knowledge/logic/facts required for a "civil" debate. Real scientists probably descend into petty arguments over non-controversial subjects, they're human after all.

But when you get a Ken Ham who refuses to believe to the earth is older than 6,000 years and believes evolution is a lie, what do you do? The two parties can't even agree on the basics of biology, geology, physics, etc. That's a big gap.

I don't what your profession is, but if we debated the nature of TV broadcasts and I argued TV's worked because of tiny elves in my flat screen, would you not laugh? would you not blow the whole thing off and go for a pint?

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12/11/2016 07:42:06 pm

The civil argument is: If you believe that the Bible is literally true, then there is not a lot of sense in debating. If you believe that science is true, allow me to explain several proven dating methods that indicate the earth is a lot older.

I would ask you how the elves received the broadcast information and transformed that info into screen images - on all brands of tv at that.

I am in science and engineering, and I do see a lot of germs of possibly good ideas put forth by "fringe" scientists who clearly lack the background to take that idea any further. Yet because the thought was uttered by a "quack" many of my colleagues would never dare to develop that thought, no matter how good it may be.

I actually look for reasonable arguments in fringe science - which means reading through a lot of crap, but often finding some viable alternative arguments.

I'm only saying that there must be a better way.

Jim
12/11/2016 09:33:27 pm

Ken,, What would be the point, if the you believed these people were simply making this stuff up for personal gain ? Do they really believe it themselves ? Take the Roman sword for example, I am sure Hutton knows it's a fugazy, however, due to monetary and egotistical reasons he will never admit it. Wolter also knows full well it's a fake yet still partners up with with the likes of Pulitzer. Two peas in a pod, if you ask me. How much more time must be wasted on the Roman sword or the KRS by real scientists ?
Those who prey on the gullibility of others deserve no respect !

Ken
12/12/2016 04:57:01 am

Well, it appears that the ridicule vs. reason strategy (a la Richard Dawkins against theists) wins the day.

So in the immortal words of Rosanne Rosanna-Dana - "never mind"

At Risk
12/12/2016 11:08:29 am

Ken, I applaud your sentiments. They ring dear to me. Up to now as a novice, I've tried my best, but I've fallen short....

Just google "norse code-stone" and you will see that I sincerely tried to bridge this unfortunate gap in the discourse between science and fantasy that we both perceive.

As a labeled "fringe" person who doesn't consider my ideas "fringe" at all, I have been encouraged by your comments here. Thank you.

Peace to those who would ridicule.

V
12/13/2016 02:40:47 pm

Ken, what is contentious about, "Can you provide sources for your work?" Most of these fringe types, upon VERY CIVILLY being asked for actual evidence of their claims, are the ones who start to turn things ugly. I won't let someone walk all over me in order to be "civil," because that's not civil behavior. Nor should professionals have to waste time that could be better spent on their own work educating people who have shown less logic than a third grader would use. If someone wants to have their pet theory taken seriously, they can provide sources that aren't paper-thin and totally illogical, and they can damned well NOT start calling me names when I disagree with them. Which, by the way, is historically what Scot Wolter has done.

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Kal
12/11/2016 04:00:29 pm

Oh, for crying out loud. I am not going to pay for that podcast. Anyone can be an archeologist? I thought it was a line for Ratatouille, a cartoon movie, "Anyone can cook." This too is not true. It is a fallacy. Some people cannot cook to save their lives. You can pretend to be a scientist because you have a sciences degree (which I have) but you would not be a scientist. Just because I have a journalism (an applied science) writing (more of a humanities thing) background does not mean I can be the next Hearst.

I would not claim to be an archeologist after looking over some stuff and guessing, but you gotta admit, the bizarre lengths he goes to, even in your summary, are hilarious.

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Clete
12/11/2016 05:32:03 pm

When I was in school a hundred years ago, I was, like Scott Wolter, a geology major. I switched because I didn't like math involved an became an accountant. My Geology professor had a poster in his office of a goofy looking guy with the caption saying "Two weeks ago, I couldn't even spell geologist, now I are one."

Sound a lot like Scott Wolter. Two weeks ago he couldn't even spell archaeologist, now he are one.

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Americanegro
12/12/2016 04:09:38 am

Geology is for people too dumb to get a sociology degree.

dbdude
12/12/2016 04:47:42 pm

or as Sheldon Cooper puts is :

Penny: What's wrong with geology?
Sheldon: Let me put this in a way you'll understand, Penny. You remember you explained to me that the Kardashians aren't real celebrities? Well geology is the Kardashians of science.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
12/11/2016 09:00:36 pm

In defense of Ratatouille, near the end of the movie it explicates the real meaning of the line: "Not everyone can be a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere."

Unfortunately, Wolter's talent for archaeology is comparable to Linguini's talent for cooking. Unlike Linguini, who knows his own limits, Wolter insists on believing he's as much of an unexpected genius as Remy.

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Numbers Man
12/11/2016 04:14:53 pm

Some of Scott Wolter's historical takes are drenched in allegory. At times he replaces the already accepted or acceptable with allegory, even resorting to using special numbers.

Wolter has become a Numbers Man, dealing with allegory in place of historically acceptable answers. Confusion surrounds him like a black halo because of his adherence to the Jesus Bloodline mythology.

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Mark
12/12/2016 10:36:25 am

I love Coast-to-Coast. I don't listen to it anymore because I'm no longer in a position to stay up that late, and I'm not willing to pay for it. But I still remember the time they had on a guy who was selling an iPhone app that let you talk to the dead. Or the guy selling a book on how to use prayer to win at slots, and who was clearly stoned out of his mind. Good times.

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JLH
12/13/2016 12:39:10 pm

Me too! I have such fond memories of listening to the crazies at ungodly hours of the night.

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Tinker
12/12/2016 10:57:39 am

Mr. Wolter is clearly NOT an archaeologist. He has failed to be objective and refuses to explore other alternatives for his theories. He also needs to state that these are theories that can't be empirically proven. Instead he now has a good portion of the TV watching public convinced he is qualified to do what he does which in any other terms would be considered folklore. He has some ideas he has now invested in that get him on TV and radio shows like Coast to Coast AM so why should he consider the alternatives? The media is in part to blame for people like Wolter being taken seriously. Wolter steadfastly refuses to consider the historical record which shows an entirely different story than the one he is selling. People like Wolter and his buddy have made a joke out of alternate historical research which displays many odd and explainable facets without having to stretch the truth this far.

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JLH
12/13/2016 12:44:33 pm

"the leadership of the Knights Templar were lineal descendants of Jesus and instigated the Crusades"

Sure, except for the inconvenient fact that the first crusade happened a quarter of a century before the Knights Templar even existed.

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