Scott Wolter Promises "Mind Blowing" Proof of Conspiracy Theory During Radio Show Appearance
Last week Scott Wolter appeared on Jimmy Church’s Fade to Black podcast (October 8), but the episode was not made available online for download until yesterday. Clocking in at 178 minutes, it is a bit of a slog to get through. Wolter’s claims are mostly the same as always and don’t really need to be reviewed in great detail.
He starts by recounting how “pissed off” he is that mainstream scholars don’t accept his findings about the Kensington Rune Stone. He then relates his belief that there is a hidden code in the Rune Stone, one encoded by the Knights Templar to claim the Mississippi watershed. Later, he asserts that the Rune Stone’s only relationship to northern Europe is that the “carver was educated in Sweden.” He believes, based on no evidence other than his own conspiracy theory, that the remainder of the party—despite the plain meaning of the Rune Stone text (“8 Götalanders and 22 Northmen”)—was not from Scandinavia.
“This isn’t some Da Vinci Code pipe dream that I made up,” Wolter says without irony, despite several times having his own show compare his research to the Da Vinci Code. He added that his research is “a mushroom cloud of an atom bomb of evidence.”
Wolter recounts again that his experience testifying in court should be used as evidence that his geological conclusions are correct. He emphasizes the importance of court cases and using the standards of the court to rule on scientific findings. Presumably this does not count the case of Albert H. Peterson v. Scott Wolter (1989), a case he lost based on a judge’s findings about Wolter in his capacity as an expert geologist. The details of that case are publicly available by contacting the Benton County Courts. I keep trying to be the better person and not publish details about the case, lest they damage Wolter’s day job, but somehow he keeps doing his damnedest to make it directly relevant to his fringe history work.
Church expresses his upset that when he took a course in Indiana history, the textbooks refused to acknowledge any history for the state of Indiana before the colonial era “except American Indians,” as though they were not actual historical people who had millennia of history. “And that’s what was taught in school!” he shouts, oblivious to his own implication that white people are history-makers while non-white people are anthropological specimens. Wolter, to his credit, tells Church that tens of millions of people were living in America in the Middle Ages and that they have history. However, he falls back on the idea that scholarship still follows mid-twentieth century norms and blasts scholars for talking of the “discovery” of America, rather than the more modern understanding of the initiation of European contact. He calls his childhood history classes “brainwashing” and explains that what he learned in junior high history class in the 1960s has stayed with him for life.
Wolter then repeats his now-familiar line about Manifest Destiny, which he continues to misunderstand as an official government program—and which he constantly references through the lens of “what we were taught” in Minnesota schools in the 1960s.
Following this Wolter outlines his beliefs about the Hooked X®, his trademarked name for a variant of the rune for the vowel A, which he believes is a secret sigil providing a schematic diagram of the moment of conception when Jesus’ sperm impregnated Mary Magdalene.
Wolter asserts that there is a stone object outside the United States that proves his Hooked X® theory and will blow the minds of skeptics and doubters, but he refuses to give details until they are revealed on America Unearthed. Wolter will only say that the object is related to the Mediterranean and to a tomb. He says that the object was brought to him and he helped its owners to understand its true purpose. It sure sounds like he thinks he’s discovered a Biblical artifact. He says in response to Church’s implication that the Smithsonian will try to suppress the artifact, “they’ll never get their grubby hands on it.”
Church delivers a monologue on fringe figures’ efforts to assert personal freedom in the face of “orthodoxy” and governmental and academic elites. Wolter asserts that the government has “stymied” his efforts to investigate, particularly at the Grand Canyon. Wolter also claims that the Smithsonian has tried to sabotage him by declaring the Bat Creek Stone a hoax on the very day that it arrived at the Cherokee museum on loan. “Don’t we as the American people just assume they’re doing things the right way, they have integrity?” Wolter sneers—and sneer is the correct description of his tone of voice. He calls the Smithsonian’s research methodology “B.S.” and calls mainstream researchers into the stone “academic hit guys” for the Smithsonian.
“This is a scam. This is a crime against our history, and I’m going to hold them accountable!” Wolter becomes very animated at this point and is clearly perturbed.
Church asks Wolter if he has been threatened by the Smithsonian, and Wolter admits that no one has threatened him and that the Smithsonian conspiracy is really only the work of “a few selected individuals” whose major crime is disagreeing with Scott Wolter’s conclusions. “My point is, I try to be respectful when people deserve the respect, but when they don’t, they’re going to hear about it.” He says that the percentage of academics who are “not doing their job” by suppressing the truth is “way higher” than it should be. Again, he seems to take disagreement with his conspiracy theories as evidence of a conspiracy against him and the truth, which are apparently for him the same.
Even Church notices that Wolter’s qualifying statements here contradict what he just finished saying about the Smithsonian as an institution suppressing the truth about the Bat Creek Stone, but despite raising the point, Church declines to follow it to its obvious conclusion.
After this, Wolter reviews some of his greatest hits from America Unearthed, adding nothing new.
When listeners start sending in their questions, things get weird. One question asked Wolter his opinion on the “one language” from before the Tower of Babel and whether it was spoken or psychic. Wolter says he doesn’t know, but I guess this implies that he believes in the Tower of Babel and a single world language. “I’m open to anything,” he says. Another listener says that after listening to Wolter, he now thinks that a gravestone he saw in Kentucky thirty or forty years ago, but admits to not remembering well, must have had a Hooked X® and be related to the Templar conspiracy. Wolter then talks about the Georgia Guidestones and various numerological conspiracies involving the fact that someone added a block labeled “2014” to the modern monument at the end of September, prompting conspiracy theorists to wonder if the population control protocols of the New World Order have been put into effect. Wolter thinks it’s a publicity stunt and a tourist-oriented cash grab, and he’s probably right.
The first phone call for Wolter is—of course—about giants, specifically the ones investigated on America Unearthed in its first season. The caller wants to know why “y’all didn’t just dig the bones up.” Wolter notes that digging up human remains is against the law in Minnesota and he implies that the state archaeologist was lying in wait to press charges against Wolter as part of a gleeful effort to suppress Wolter’s research. Wolter says that he has “to be careful” about what he says about the giants because “I got kind of aggressive” with the state archaeologist, who in turn has “stonewalled” Wolter’s efforts to find giants. Wolter further states that “the way they write these laws are (sic) very clever” and designed to suppress amateur research (i.e., looting). Despite claiming the laws are clever, he, of course, doesn’t know the relevant laws and wasn’t able to distinguish between federal law (NAGPRA), which does not apply to private property, and Minnesota state law, which does.
The next caller says he’s never watched Scott Wolter’s show but is convinced that the Smithsonian conspiracy to suppress Wolter’s work is related to the government conspiracy to suppress knowledge of “the extraterrestrial phenomenon” and academic efforts to suppress Bigfoot research and knowledge of the Jesuits’ efforts to colonize Japan in the Middle Ages (?). Wolter replies that academics aren’t able to speak freely about the dark forces that are threatening them into staying in line with the official story. Wolter states that it’s possible that there are “guys in black suits who go around” intimidating those who dissent from the orthodoxy. Except for Wolter, of course, who earlier said no one has threatened him. He then backs off on this and says that he doesn’t think this is likely happening.
Church returns to the idea of giants and also the Grand Canyon in order to discuss the Smithsonian conspiracy yet again. Wolter takes the question in a different direction and discusses the fantasies he and his friends share about what they would do if they found the Templar treasure, including the Ark of the Covenant, possibly in the Grand Canyon. “Who owns that?” he asks before speculating on the Ark’s “magical powers” and “unlimited energy.” He is worried that “the government” would exercise “eminent domain” on the Ark, which is wrong on two counts: Eminent domain refers to seizing private property for public use, and archaeological materials found on public land belong to the American people under longstanding U.S. law. Antiquities found on private land are a different story, and the laws vary by state.
Wolter says that he will not reveal any ancient treasures for fear that the government would take control of them. He says he would look at them and then reseal any burial chambers forever. “What are you going to do with it?” he asks. This reminds me of Erich von Däniken who famously said he was no longer interested in finding the library of alien wisdom he was so certain existed in Ecuador.
Wolter calls on the audience to put pressure on politicians to use their authority to open the Smithsonian archives, reveal the truth, etc. because we are an open country where information should be public. But in response to the next question he also says that the government has the right to keep some things secret to keep us safe. If the Ark has magic powers that Wolter fears to find, which category does it fall under?
He then promises that this season of America Unearthed will look at claims of Chinese visits to ancient America. He darkly hints that this might be the final season of America Unearthed (we can only hope!), though he says he would be honored if “they” (the H2 network) renew the series. He also says he’s writing a new book and has booked speaking engagements. He sounds, frankly, like someone preparing for the next stage of his fringe history career. If that’s the case, he needs better branding to differentiate himself from the TV show so that once it’s over he won’t fade as quickly as memory of the series.
10/14/2014 04:18:29 am
The people ate A&E might not care what they're selling.
10/20/2014 12:00:07 pm
"But Disney, which in part owns A&E, is a famously apolitical company (in the modern day). They strenuously try to keep their image as neutral as possible, and this has worked very well for them"
10/20/2014 12:10:08 pm
"ABC, a representative of whom tried to pressure an archaeologist who wrote a book about how Atlantis is not a real thing, but has been used to promote a Euro-centric agenda into saying he believes in Atlantis, for a documentary aired on ABC and narrated by Britney Spears as leadup to their upcoming Atlantis animated movie."
10/20/2014 05:30:09 pm
I can't comment directly under "Wait, what?" for some reason. But an archaeologist who is well-known for debunking and writing books on topics related to debunking was approached by ABC for a "documentary" on Atlantis. And I was mistaken. It was Melissa Joan Hart who narrated it. I wasn't a BuffytVS fan, so it was all the same to me.
10/20/2014 08:41:43 pm
There's a difference between being sensationalist and being apolitical, however...
10/21/2014 07:36:15 am
I was saying they were able to ignore the political implications he wrote about in his book. Either they didn't even read a summary of the book before they got in touch with him, or else they thought they could get him to completely change tack in front of the camera. I think he opted not to be on at all, but the producer basically tried to get him to express the viewpoint opposite that established by his prior work.
An Over-Educated Grunt
10/14/2014 04:37:18 am
Yeah, I've got to agree about him moving on - let's hope. I know I should be upset about a lot of this, like the idea of just re-burying a massive find, because gee, who wouldn't go and re-bury something that's supposed to be part of the common heritage, but at this point it's just tiresome bleating. Scott Wolter's a hack, he's shown that he's not a particularly good geologist, and his interpretation of history is selective. It's bad enough that if tomorrow he announced he had discovered that limestone commonly contains marine fossil deposits, I'd ask to see a second and third lab verifying his (commonly-accepted and already well-known) results. His work, at least in his public face, is so sloppy and haphazard that it makes me doubt even statements he makes that we can independently verify and know to be true ("there is a Newport Tower").
10/14/2014 08:08:03 am
The obliviousness of Wolter is almost brilliant, isn't it?
10/14/2014 11:24:38 am
We're talking about the same guy who says he thinks the Freemasons are great, and then goes ahead and outs their imaginary conspiracy on television, on radio and in books. Talk about mixed signals.
10/14/2014 06:31:53 am
>>>>[Scott Wolter] starts by recounting how “pissed off” he is that mainstream scholars don’t accept his findings about the Kensington Rune Stone.
10/14/2014 06:34:57 am
"scholarship still follows mid-twentieth century norms and blasts scholars for talking of the “discovery” of America, rather than the more modern understanding of the initiation of European contact."
10/14/2014 10:58:19 am
I remember being taught around 1980 (not exactly mid-20th century) about the discovery of a virgin America. I didn't learn about who was already here, or that the virgin land had been used for centuries, for a few more years.
10/14/2014 11:16:45 am
Not sure what this has to do with my comment, but sure.
10/14/2014 11:43:17 am
Let me say it more clearly then. America was discovered exactly one time by people, and it wasn't by Europeans. Saying otherwise is inconsistent, at best. One man's "discovery" is another man's "invasion and destruction".
10/14/2014 02:55:54 pm
"Jack discovered his dad's liquor stash. Later that day, Jill also discovered it."
10/16/2014 12:45:41 am
You are both right, depending on how you define "discovery." If you mean "finding something no one else has ever found before," as Walt seems to define it, then saying Columbus discovered America is an insult to native Americans, not to mention that it ignores the fact that Scandinavians reached the North American continent centuries before.
10/16/2014 05:38:51 am
I think we should define 'discovery' to mean what it means in the English language, don't you? :)
10/14/2014 08:21:43 am
Paxil is what SW needs. Maybe some Ritalin too. Seriously. Get this guy some counseling. He's obviously two steps away from claiming a one man rebellion attack on the Smithsonian and on the Man. But he's claim it was the Man making him see a therapist. The dude is generally scary at this point and needs to chill out on something way stronger than medicine man opiates.
10/15/2014 04:15:22 am
I think some Haldol or Risperdal would also be in order. Poor guy sounds completely paranoid with those beliefs of government and academic conspiracies of his.
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/14/2014 10:14:33 am
The caller who talks about Japan says the Jesuits "had the black ships going to Japan before anybody else, apparently, knew how to get there." Well, not really. The Jesuit order was only formed in the 1530s, starting with only seven people, and received papal approval in 1540, on the condition that the order have no more than 60 members. That rule must soon have been waived, but it was not a big organization to start with. Portuguese traders first arrived in Japan in 1543. The Jesuits were quick to establish a presence there, later in that same decade, but they obviously depended on the Portuguese sailors to get them where they were going. Other Catholic religious orders arrived in Japan in the course of the 16th century. There were power struggles between the religious orders and between the Portuguese, who wanted to maintain their trade monopoly (guaranteed to them by the Treaty of Tordesillas) and Spanish Jesuits, who were suspected of trying to undermine that monopoly on Spain's behalf. Then Toyotomi Hideyoshi decided the Christians were becoming a dangerous factor in Japan's civil wars, crucified a bunch of them, and tried to kick out the rest. The Jesuits may have been the dominant Christian presence in Japan after Hideyoshi died, but that didn't last very long, because within a few years the Tokugawa Shogunate was established and banned all Europeans from Japan, except some Dutch traders, who were considered less dangerous than the Portuguese and Spanish because they didn't come with meddlesome missionaries attached. Never exactly a Jesuit monopoly.
10/14/2014 10:30:31 am
What the crap are the "black ships"? Is it a thing, or just a Warhammer 40000-inspired delusion?
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/14/2014 10:36:12 am
Apparently the Japanese did use that term to describe European vessels, starting with the Portuguese carracks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ships.
An Over-Educated Grunt
10/14/2014 01:37:57 pm
Other way around, as the not-Comte says. 40k took the name Black Ships, which were the annual Portuguese trade ships originally, from real life. Neither GW's first nor last lift.
10/14/2014 02:58:15 pm
Is that the actual source of the phrase in Warhammer 40000? Or did they just go with something that sounded particularly "grimdark" and it happened to be the same phrase the Japanese had used?
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/14/2014 04:42:55 pm
I don't know. Unless Over-Educated knows something specific about how the Warhammer people developed the concept, the latter seems more likely to me. "Black Ships" is a cool-sounding phrase that has showed up before in speculative fiction, including in The Lord of the Rings, which probably doesn't contain a single idea that somebody else hasn't copied.
An Over-Educated Grunt
10/15/2014 12:20:15 am
I suspect it's a mix. The people writing Games Workshop's fluff back in the '80s and '90s were as likely to have retained the memory from readings about late-medieval Japan as to have found it in Tolkien. Either way it's more likely that they'd heard the phrase elsewhere and decided it sounded cool. It was in 40k fluff before the fluff turned fully grimdark, and the Black Ships of 40k aren't exactly trade ships.
10/15/2014 09:13:13 am
Buncha nerds :)
The Black Ships, as they came to be known, were large Spanish Galleons that made an annual circumnavigation of the globe. They sailed from their Spanish ports around the tip of Africa and thence to the far east. There they traded their goods for spices, silks, and porcelain. Instead of trying to sail west, they continued east across the Pacific and down the coasts of North and South America. Rounding the tip of South America, they would travel along the coast, trading goods at all the major for gold and silver. From there they would then sail across the Atlantic and home.
10/14/2014 07:13:55 pm
He went to Europe to track down a new stone or manuscript
10/14/2014 08:40:42 pm
I wonder if logical thinking ever occurs to the fringe types. Say that Wolter is right, and there's a huge scientific conspiracy to stop views like his from becoming accepted by the mainstream.
10/15/2014 12:25:12 am
As someone who used to practice law and still writes on legal subjects, I know a little something about how courts handle scientific evidence. The judge, as a preliminary matter, determines whether an expert witness is qualified to render an opinion on the subject at hand and whether his or her methods of reaching that opinion are scientifically reliable. However, in doing so, the judge is not making any judgment as to whether the expert is actually correct. In fact, cases involving scientific evidence will typically have experts on each side contradicting each other's expert opinions. It is then for the jury (or judge, if there is no jury) to weigh the opinions and decide which one is right.
10/15/2014 08:47:29 am
The KRS is a fake from modern times to drum up tourists or interest in the park there. Even if it wasn't, it's not a conspiracy to hide evidence of Scandinavians, as they settled there later in colonial times. They can't prove stone holes were made only by white men, as they could easily have been made by natives too. This hooked x business is just smoke and mirrors. Funny that if you actually go to the KRS they tell you it's a fake for tourists.
10/17/2014 07:35:32 pm
Later, he asserts that the Rune Stone’s only relationship to northern Europe is that the “carver was educated in Sweden.” He believes, based on no evidence other than his own conspiracy theory, that the remainder of the party—despite the plain meaning of the Rune Stone text (“8 Götalanders and 22 Northmen”)—was not from Scandinavia.
10/17/2014 07:33:56 pm
I have a horrible thought... if S.W ignores the idea that
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