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Scott Wolter Wows Fitness Gurus with Conspiracies, Attacks Critics, Announces Summit with Graham Hancock

10/28/2016

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Well, this is a weird one. I’ve never heard of the Fit 2 Fat 2 Fit Experience podcast, hosted by Lynn and Drew Manning, and it seems the last place you’d expect to find fringe history. Drew Manning is the man who intentionally gained 75 pounds in 2012 to document his subsequent fitness regime to lose the weight. The fitness guru’s entire brand revolves around selling fitness regimes and health products. And yet here we are: Scott Wolter appeared on the fitness podcast to discuss fringe history with the hosts because Drew Manning was blown away after meeting Wolter as part of an event in Mexico this month to promote A+E Networks shows in Latin America. “He’s a scientist, and he definitely knows what he’s talking about!” Drew Manning enthused. Lynn Manning added that “these are the facts” and not a conspiracy, “and I find that fascinating.”
The pair said that they became convinced that history could be manipulated by powerful elites because “scientists” once claimed that fat was bad, but now say dietary fat is good. They argue that because scientists can’t get nutrition correct, history, too, must be part of a story told for profit because “corporations” “lie about things.” They will return to this idea later in defending their belief in Scott Wolter and his Jesus conspiracies.
 
The hosts don’t seem to know that Wolter’s H2 shows have been canceled, or that the H2 network no longer exists (at one point asking when the next season of America Unearthed will debut on H2), but both hosts hail Wolter, 57, as “the modern-day Indiana Jones,” who provided them with “mind-blowing” revelations about history.
 
To avoid confusion, I will refer to Drew and Lynn Manning by their first names, though it goes against my usual style.
 
Drew starts by asking Wolter “did aliens help build the pyramids?” Wolter replies that “my honest answer is that I don’t know, but I highly doubt it.” He says that it’s a mistake to underestimate the intelligence of ancient cultures—except, of course, when this involves the need for Europeans to deliver secret knowledge. Wolter claims that ancient people were more sophisticated than we are today, and he quotes Santayana’s dictum about repeating history to warn that the modern world is going to hell. Lynn asks him to explain this, and Wolter replies by announcing that he is going to have a summit with Graham Hancock in November in order to combine their research in order to discover a lost high civilization of the Ice Age. According to Wolter, the melting glaciers washed away all of the evidence of this lost civilization. Wolter gushes about Hancock’s “compelling geological evidence” for a comet destroying this civilization, and he says—without evidence—that the lost civilization lived in perfect “balance” with nature.
 
Wolter then pivots to the Knights Templar and alleges that there is conclusive evidence that the Knights Templar came to America in 1400 and brought a treasure with them that the Founding Fathers used to fund the Revolutionary War. Even though financial records from the Revolution provide no indication of a huge cash infusion—the Continental Congress used loans, I.O.U.s, and inflated paper currency to pay for the war—Wolter alleges that historians have been “brainwashed” into being unable to see the truth. “There are larger forces at work,” he said, “who have a vested interest in one version of history when in fact the truth is something else.” He claims that the Catholic Church is that vested interest, even though Anti-Catholic prejudice was a major feature of American life down to the 1960s and you’d think that Anti-Catholics would want to expose the Catholic Church’s suppression efforts. Apparently, the Jesuit secret agents were just that good.
 
Wolter then alleges that everything written about him on the internet (cough, ahem, cough – me) is “crap.” (“It’s all crap!”) He adds that “there are people actually being paid to continue to try to undermine people like me that are telling a different story than they want people to believe.” Wolter says that this mysterious “they” (i.e., me) cannot refute his “evidence” (since it does not exist) and therefore attack Wolter personally and viciously to discredit him “to try to undermine [his] credibility.”
 
It goes without saying that I am not paid by anyone to critique historical claims, much to my disappointment.
 
The hosts were somewhat baffled by Wolter’s rant, and the two of them together seem to know less than a modern high school student about history. They are unaware that no scholar believes Christopher Columbus was the first European to reach America (that was the Vikings), so they seem giddy with excitement at the idea that other Europeans came first. Wolter recites his fractured fairy tale about how the Catholics used Columbus (whom Wolter once identified as a Templar!) to deprive the Natives of their land in order to crush the Templars, who were also the Native Americans. It doesn’t make sense, but who can keep all of the conspiracies straight?
 
Wolter returns again to the idea that “online” critics (clearly, this must include me) are “creeping around” and criticizing him surreptitiously. “Anyone can be a tough guy sitting behind a computer,” Wolter said in response to a question about whether he ever felt his life was in danger. He implied that he would like critics to (verbally) attack him in person so that he could have a face-to-face confrontation. He later alleges that his critics have “stalked” him online.
 
Wolter claims that Mayan and Babylonian astrological systems are “scientific” and that because of the December 2012 “paradigm shift that occurred,” “the reign of the Fisher King would end.” Wolter, as you know, began hosting America Unearthed in December 2012. He identifies the Fisher King as Jesus based on Ralph Ellis’s fringe claims, but the medieval European Grail character is not typically identified as Jesus. In the real world, the Fisher King was a character invented by Chretien de Troyes for the poem Percival, and may draw on Celtic myths about Bran the Blessed.
 
This isn’t important, though, because Wolter announces that he believes that Jesus was merely a “good person,” but that the true semi-divine figure was Mary Magdalene, who should be venerated in his stead. Wolter adds that he is in the process of writing a new book, but “something big” came up and requires him to rewrite the book to incorporate it. He repeats after that some of his recent claims about the so-called Jesus Ossuary containing the “Hooked X®” and a “tau cross.” He wrongly asserts that the Hooked X® is the same as the Hebrew letter aleph, and he claims that the “last letter” of the Hebrew alphabet is a “tau cross” and derived from the Egyptian ankh. The Paleo-Hebrew version of that letter, the tav, is cross-shaped and is related to the Phoenician letter that became the Greek tau.
 
Wolter says that a Hooked X® and a tau therefore are the alpha and the omega, Jesus. He adds that the Knights Templar entered the Talpiot Tomb during the First Crusade and discovered all of this, because the Knights Templar were the genetic descendants of Jesus and received Christ’s secrets through “family” history. Hundreds or thousands of knights drawn from a geographically diverse area… Which of them were Christ’s hundred-times-great grandkids? All of them? Just the elite? If they were already elite, why did they need the Knights to share conspiracies they already knew?
 
“My life is an ongoing Dan Brown movie right now,” Wolter said. “The basic premise of the Bloodline is 100% true.”
 
Drew and Leslie repeat that they find Wolter’s claims to be convincing because they believe that Wolter is a scientist whose inferences and assertions are actually facts. Leslie believes that corporations and religions are hiding facts from us for profit, and therefore they believe that claims that oppose the interest of corporations must be true. Leslie and Drew believe that “scientists” lie all the time for money, and they claim that their experiences with bad nutrition claims and bad medical advice regarding dietary fat prove that science is intentionally teaching the public false information. They liken the suppression of fringe history to the inflation of cost for the Epi-Pen, even though “scientists” don’t set the price for the EpiPen, and other companies are free to make competing products. (Europe has competing brands.) This is an excellent illustration of how science is failing the public. Non-specialists have difficulty understanding the provisional nature of science and, for that matter, the difference between facts, inferences, and assertions. Note, too, that Drew and Leslie believe that when Wolter waves a microscope at a rock, he is revealing truth, but when credentialed scientists and historians offer evaluations of history they must be lying. In other words, their own sense of trust in an individual (Wolter) over an anonymous institution (“science” or “corporations”) leads them to believe ideas based on less evidence because it is personal, emotional, and keeping with their preexisting ideology and personal experiences.
 
Wolter chimes in that he believes that unnamed forces, perhaps drug companies, are suppressing a cure for diabetes in order to make money off of insulin sales. “It makes me crazy,” Wolter said, alleging that people in his family continue to suffer from diabetes because of a conspiracy. He adds that he thinks that cancer has also been cured as well, but that corporations are hiding the truth in order to make money. Drew and Leslie agree that the either the government or corporations are hiding health cures.
 
Wolter returns again near the end to criticizing “a lot of people online” (sigh, yes, me again) for allegedly calling him a liar and a pseudoscientist, saying that critics should not doubt his conclusions about runic inscriptions because “the government” (that arch-conspirator!) considered him competent to analyze the structural integrity of concrete from the Pentagon after 9/11. The two things have nothing to do with one another, as no one questions the structural integrity of a forged runic inscription, nor did anyone ask Wolter to date the construction of the Pentagon. They are two very different skills. It is probably worth noting again that Wolter uses relative dating, not absolute dating, and in most cases even his own windows for when an artifact was created, taken at face value, cannot exclude hoaxing. His windows for the Kensington Rune Stone and the Bat Creek Stone, for example, both could not exclude modern dates.
 
The show finishes with Wolter describing the episode of America Unearthed in which he wentin search of Bigfoot. He claims that he had to insist to the network that he be allowed to doubt Bigfoot’s existence on air. In the last minutes, Wolter claims that his favorite book ever is by Alan Butler, and says that he is planning a new TV series and is in talks with networks about it. The hosts tried a couple of more times to get Wolter to admit that aliens were involved in ancient history, but to his credit he didn’t take the bait.
42 Comments
Time Machine
10/28/2016 11:03:12 am

>>> Founding Fathers<<<

LOL
They were anti-religious Republicans and the very antithesis of The Knights Templar

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Gunn
10/28/2016 12:23:06 pm

From above: "It is probably worth noting again that Wolter uses relative dating, not absolute dating, and in most cases even his own windows for when an artifact was created, taken at face value, cannot exclude hoaxing. His windows for the Kensington Rune Stone and the Bat Creek Stone, for example, both could not exclude modern dates."

Hi Jason, I was under the impression that Wolter had used relative dating for the KRS with a window that put the stone beyond so-called modern times--that is, beyond when the many Scandinavian immigrant pioneers began settling the land. Perhaps I'm wrong on this.

I'm curious about your own feelings on "relative dating" when it comes to trying to come into chronological "windows" where a manner of roughly figuring history timeframes or window-frames might be attained...if you care to comment.

I'm thinking that this approximation, if attainable (I think it is), might be applied to runestones, and to petroglyphs, and of course, to stoneholes, too. From previous research at another blog, I suggested that I thought some of these "peculiar" artifacts could be placed within acceptable windows of history, which would probably be better than not being able to date them precisely, or at all.

I suppose this would have to do with mineral decomposition. My own feelings are that relative dating could be useful for including or excluding certain data, helping some history-searches along.

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Tom
10/28/2016 12:53:05 pm

As it appears likely that Mr Wolper is an avid reader of this blog it is probably wearisome to him to point out that the "Jesus Bloodline" by now would number in the hundreds of millions.
That the "runes" he describes are unlikely to be genuine since by the time the Norse traders and explorers arrived in America the Latin script was already widespread and would have better served the Norse who had a culture and technical expertise dating back centuries and were not the traditional berserkers of Hollywood fame
Finally has he ever made an authentic and original "discovery" which has added to the sum of human knowledge in all his years of research which can be quoted in a textbook?

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Time Machine
10/28/2016 03:18:58 pm

>>> "Jesus Bloodline" by now would number in the hundreds of millions<<<

Jesus Christ was not originally a Humanoid. And more to the point, there are countless references to Jesus Christ throughout the Old Testament. It's a Jewish concept that eventually fashioned into Christianity.

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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/29/2016 12:11:01 am

That claim would be more credible if the details of Jesus' life given in the gospels didn't conflict with Old Testament prophecy at many points. The early Christians had to twist facts, or choose contorted interpretations of the relevant prophecies, in order to make Jesus' life fit with their beliefs. The prime example is that the messiah was supposed to be from Bethlehem, based on a passage in the book of Micah, but as everybody knew, Jesus was from Nazareth, far from Bethlehem and with no religious significance. Thus, the idea arose at some point that he was born in Bethlehem. To explain why Jesus was born in Bethlehem but raised in Nazareth, the authors of the gospels of Matthew and Luke fabricated two different, contradictory stories about his birth.

It doesn't help your case that the earliest Christian texts, the letters of Paul, refer to Jesus as a flesh-and-blood human whose brother Paul had personally met. Or that Josephus, a non-Christian Jew, says this same brother of Jesus was executed by the Sanhedrin during Josephus' lifetime.

Time Machine
10/29/2016 02:37:39 am

All wrong - because every single book and Biblical scholar on Jesus Christ are wrong - and have been wrong from the very beginning.

There are no contradictions on Jesus Christ in the Old and New Testaments (and pseudopigrapha). Jesus Christ was and is primarily a metaphysical religious concept and not a humanoid. The myth of the humanoid Jesus Christ was first fashioned shortly before the Gospels during the second century.

Regarding James the brother of Jesus - the earliest Christians called themselves brethren and when Paul wrote "James, the brother of the Lord" he really meant "James, on of the brethren of the Lord". This shows the reference found in Josephus to be a Christian interpolation. It also shows that part of the inscription on the so-called James Ossuary to be a recent forgery,

Nazareth did not exist during the era of the first Christians, it was an invented town to fit in with the passages in the Gospels that should be translated as "the Nazarite/Nazarene" (a Jewish sect) instead of "from Nazareth"

The whole claim about Jesus being born in Bethlehem was made to fit in with the (contradictory) genealogies that he was of the Line of David - again, the myth precedes the alleged "historical fact" (remember, there are two contradictory nativity stories in the Gospels, different writers had different takes on the pseudo-bio of Jesus).

The "references" to Jesus in the works of Josephus are Christian additions made long after the death of Josephus. They were unknown to Christians before the era of Origen, who confused and mixed two different accounts together,

The first direct reference to the passage known as the "Testimonium Flavianum" was made by Eusebius during the fourth century when Christianity was first recognised as a legitimate religion within the Roman Empire. There is a historical context for the origin of the interpolated passage within Josephus.

Nothing hangs together in the story of Jesus Christ, when placed under critical scrutiny.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/29/2016 01:46:46 pm

1. The remains of Nazareth have not been extensively excavated, which gave room for René Salm to claim that it didn't exist in Jesus' time. However, even though the site hasn't been fully explored, coinage has been found there that goes back as far as Hellenistic times, and a farm was recently excavated that dates to Jesus' time. Nazareth existed. Plus, if it didn't and "Nazareth" means something else, why do the gospels explicitly say that Jesus was from Galilee, the region of Judea where Nazareth is?

2. A few words in Josephus' most direct reference to Jesus are obvious and clumsy Christian forgeries. But even if you set aside that entire passage (the Testamentum Flavianum) and not just the obviously inserted words, you still have to address the passages about the execution of John the Baptist and the execution of James the brother of Jesus. The latter is part of a detailed passage about the politics surrounding the high priesthood in 62, which is unlikely to be entirely forged. And, although you obviously don't agree, scholars universally accept this passage as genuine because Origen quoted it verbatim, in a time before Christians were influential enough to be tampering with widely known non-Christian works. Finally, there's the reference to John the Baptist, which indicated that he was a real person. The gospels, incidentally, all treat him as an important figure but do so in three different ways depending on their biases. If Jesus was divinely endorsed from birth (as in Matthew) or divine himself (as in John), it was an increasingly awkward fact that Jesus was baptized by the inferior figure of John the Baptist, which is why the Gospel of Matthew points out the incongruity and the Gospel of John eliminates the baptism altogether.

Whether the Christians somehow managed to convincingly forge this passage in Josephus on top of the two others, or whether Josephus' reference to John is real and thus John was real, the early Christians worked awfully hard to pin their fictitious messiah's life to a specific point in history. I see no reason to believe the early Christians were that good at rewriting history, considering how much their own texts contradict each other.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/29/2016 02:09:45 pm

3. And you still haven't addressed the passages by Paul that refer to him as the fleshly descendant of King David who was born of a woman, was executed, and was buried.

4. Most fundamentally, in all the Christian sects we have evidence for, all the catalogues of "heretics" denounced by proto-orthodox writers, not one sect claimed Jesus did not exist on Earth. The closest thing to that was the Gnostics, who thought Jesus was a spiritual being and not a real human. But they still thought he took on the illusory appearance of a real human and went walking and talking around Judea. Non-Christians in the Roman Empire, when they mention Jesus, may call him a fraud or a sinister magician or a bastard, but they never deny that he was a real person who went walking and talking around Judea. If you look at all the ancient sources about Jesus, there is only one thing about him that they all agree on: that he went walking and talking around Judea. To claim they were wrong, you have to invent a mystical Jewish/Christian sect that disappeared without leaving any trace in the record, while giving rise to a profusion of sects that all believed Jesus went walking and talking around Judea. That makes no sense.

Time Machine
10/29/2016 02:48:05 pm

1. Nazareth is not mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament and was never mentioned by Josephus.

2. The story of Ananus by Josephus in Antiquities is directly contradicted by his other account of Ananus found in Wars of the Jews. James is mentioned in Antiquities but not in Wars of the Jews (in relation to Ananus). Origen did not quote anything "verbatim" in relation to the death of James because he makes it plain in his account that he was working from memory. Scholars consider that Origen mistakenly confused the account of the death of James as originating from Josephus when in fact it was derived from Hegesippius (the two names are variants of each other).

3. There are no early manuscripts of Antiquities of the Jews in existence, so no-one can tell if the early manuscripts mentioned John the Baptist. It remains a possibility that the account of John the Baptist in Josephus could have been purloined from something like the Gospel of the Hebrews. If so, that would explain why that particular Gospel vanished without trace.

4. Paul's references to Jesus that you refer to may not be to past history, but to speculative symbolic definition of the Messiah.

5. There are no references to a Humanoid Jesus Christ in the Christian literature of the first century. Of course, when the biography was created during the second century nobody was about from the first century to contradict those claims. Everything relating to the life of Jesus Christ stems from the second century, not from the first century.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/29/2016 04:34:06 pm

"Paul's references to Jesus that you refer to may not be to past history, but to speculative symbolic definition of the Messiah."

In other words, you have to contort the text beyond recognition for it to mean what you want it to mean.


"Everything relating to the life of Jesus Christ stems from the second century, not from the first century."

That only makes your problem worse. Writing the gospels in the second century and making them fit into the first century with the kind of accuracy that they have would have been extremely difficult and provided no benefit. Historical research was far, far harder in ancient times than it is now. Yet the gospels reflect reflect details about the administration of Judea (like the ambiguities in jurisdiction between the Roman administration, the Herodian kings, and the lesser Jewish authorities like the Sanhedrin) and the nature of Jewish religious sects that had largely disappeared by the start of the second century, thanks to the Great Jewish Revolt. The gospels contain people like Pontius Pilate and John the Baptist who were real but didn't have any significance to people in the second century. When Philostratus wrote his fictionalized biography of Apollonius of Tyana, he made Apollonius meet with the kings of exotic lands and defy the tyrannical emperor Domitian. Yet the gospel authors made Jesus interact with a wild Jewish preacher who led some kind of long-ago revival movement and a Roman prefect who was only remembered for having a troubled tenure in a perpetually unruly part of the empire. What possible reason could there be to do that?

And the second century was the period of prolific Christian writers like Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, and Irenaeus. Christianity was already well developed and diversified by the late second century, as shown by how many heresies Irenaeus felt he had to refute. Marcion's version of Christianity, begun in the middle of the century, was a radical inversion of Judaism, and by then the gospel of Luke was already in existence for him to use (and distort).

So the Jewish mystical messianism you posit had been so thoroughly erased by midcentury that Marcion could reject Judaism entirely? The belief that Jesus really lived in Judea was created in the second century and took over every Christian sect so thoroughly that the Irenaeus, determined to fight every heresy, had never even heard of the idea that Jesus didn't exist on Earth? I repeat: You are inventing a mystical Jewish/Christian sect that disappeared without leaving any trace in the record, while giving rise to a profusion of sects that all believed Jesus went walking and talking around Judea. And you are claiming that this invented belief system was erased and replaced in less than 80 years. You make less sense every day.

Time Machine
10/29/2016 04:42:33 pm

The Line of David was pure romance. It was dissolved by the Babylonian occupation of Judaea. It was not restored when the Jews returned to Palestine --- and Israel existed without Kingship until the Maccabees.

Justin Martyr is the first Christian witness to the existence of written Gospels. Tatian, his disciple, created the Diatessaron in order to harmonise the contradictions.

But still there was no Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

It was Irenaeus who first mentioned these names towards the end of the second century.





Time Machine
10/29/2016 04:56:36 pm

"But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship."

Clearly this is a reference to the Apocalypse and to the End of the World, God intervening to save the Jews from Roman occupation.

What else can "when the set time had fully come" mean other than that. And what are the references to Jesus Christ other than history personified and representative of collective consciousness of believers.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/29/2016 05:05:45 pm

"The Line of David was pure romance. It was dissolved by the Babylonian occupation of Judaea."

If by this you mean that the genealogies of Jesus in the gospels are fictitious, that's pretty damn obvious.



"It was not restored when the Jews returned to Palestine --- and Israel existed without Kingship until the Maccabees."

This is basic history, not worth bringing up.



"Justin Martyr is the first Christian witness to the existence of written Gospels. Tatian, his disciple, created the Diatessaron in order to harmonise the contradictions. But still there was no Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. It was Irenaeus who first mentioned these names towards the end of the second century."

All right, you're finally getting specific about how you think Christianity as we know it came to be. You've been awfully vague in the past. But this doesn't address my fundamental objections. It's implausible that second-century authors could make up stories that reflected the conditions in early first-century Judea as accurately as the gospels do, particularly that they could all do so while disagreeing with each other on other points, like the very nature of Jesus, that would have been far more important to early Christians. It's equally implausible that they could insert passages into Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews referring to Jesus, James, and John the Baptist in exactly the right places in the text and, with the exception of a few obviously out-of-place words, make it look convincingly like Josephus' language. It's even more implausible that the belief in a Jesus who walked and talked around Judea took over every single Christian sect, despite their huge differences from each other, and erase your purported original version of Christianity within a few decades.

In short, you're attributing to the early Christians a competence and unity of purpose that they simply didn't have.

Time Machine
10/29/2016 06:52:16 pm

All wrong. The history of the Maccabees is reality. The history of the Gospels is fantasy. There were no Gospels in first century Christianity, that's why Christianity crashed.

It was the invention of the Gospels during the second century for evangelical reasons that kick-started the popularity of Christianity, And witness how the content of the Gospels appealed to the Roman public, transforming a barbaric Pontius Pilate into a sympathetic figure towards Jesus Christ. The Gospels are clearly aimed at a Roman audience with an Evangelical agenda that worked. The Gospels took on a life of their own and over a period of time Christianity became the dominant religion of the Roman Empire (with a little cleansing of the rival religions).

But this had nothing to do with verifiable history. It was all to do with what people chose to believe. Two different things.

You keep mentioning John the Baptist in Josephus,

Josephus in his autobiography mentioned how he spent time with the ascetic baptiser Bannus, yet he never mentioned John the Baptist. You would have thought Josephus would have mentioned him within this context. But he did not.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/29/2016 10:21:53 pm

You're still not addressing why, if the story of Jesus' life as we know it was fabricated in the second century, the fabricators chose to set it in a period of no particular significance (the late 20s and early 30s), involving historical figures of no great significance, and how they managed to portray that period with such accuracy. You're still not addressing how the new tradition managed to so thoroughly erase the original one that Irenaeus wasn't aware that the original one ever existed. And you're treating the canonical gospels as a single tradition, when even the synoptic gospels have somewhat differing agendas and John reflects a dramatically different view of Jesus and set of events in his life. If their views of Jesus were so different (and the non-canonical gospels were still more so), why did they all agree that Jesus walked and talked around Judea in the days of Pilate? Why agree on that, of all things, when they disagreed so radically on most other things about Jesus? Why did the Gnostics say Jesus was a spirit and not a human but STILL believe that he walked and talked around Judea?

Your contortion of Paul beggars belief. The passage in Galatians about God's son is clearly, in its context, referring to the past events that allowed Christians to be "saved," that is, the life of Jesus. Not to mention the other passages by Paul that say Jesus was crucified by "the rulers of this world" and that he was buried.

There is also the passage in Tacitus' Annals that mentions in passing that Christianity originated with a Jewish leader who was crucified in the time of Pilate. This passage is very unlikely to be a Christian interpolation because it fits Tacitus' style and is full of insults toward Christianity. It shows that the idea that Jesus was crucified was already extant in the 110s, when Tacitus wrote Annals, and because Tacitus despised Christians and didn't bring up any of the reasons that Christians thought he was important, it's rather unlikely that he got his information about Christianity's origins from them. There were non-Christian sources he could have used, like… Josephus, whom Tacitus had probably met. Josephus wasn't necessarily Tacitus' source, but what Tacitus says about "Christus" closely resembles the parts of Antiquities of the Jews that mention Jesus and aren't obvious Christian additions.

I repeat, every ancient source, Christian and non-Christian, agrees that he walked and talked around Judea. To claim otherwise, you have to conjure a lost belief system out of thin air.

Time Machine
10/30/2016 07:18:25 am

There are no references to a Humanoid Jesus Christ dating from the first century. Also, diagnosis of Gospel material is required. This was done in Germany during the 19th century where every passage in the Gospels was built on Old Testament passages. Bibles are produced that show which Old Testament passage was an equivalent of a New Testament passage. I own such a Bible,

The passages relating to Jesus Christ within Tacitus were unknown before the 15th century. The passages are not cited anywhere in antiquity.

Time Machine
10/30/2016 07:29:17 am

The crucifixion depicted within the writings of Paul is an atoning sacrifice, Paul never places it within a historical context naming Pontius Pilate. The crucifixion within the writings of Paul is a metaphysical religious formula. Not a historical event,

Why did Paul's writings survive and become part of the Christian canon in the New Testament? Simply because Paul's writings were the only Christian writings in existence dating from the first century and for that reason alone must have acquired a notable part of early Christianity where the Gospels and the form Christianity developed into during the Second Century did not exist.

A different generation of Christians facing a different world with different circumstances created a variant of their religion during the second century that involved the creation of the Gospels.

I have mentioned several times that the creation of the Gospels was devised during the Second Century primarily as an Evangelical Tool because Paul's earlier version of Christianity had failed. Crucially, failed to impress the Roman Empire.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/30/2016 12:54:04 pm

So your hypothesis only works if:

1. Paul's words mean something radically different from what they seem to mean;

2. the gospel authors, despite writing with individual biases and based on maybe three different traditions (Mark, Q, and whatever other influences produced John), all managed to give a credible depiction of religion and administration in early first-century Judea, despite living decades after Judea had changed drastically;

3. persons unknown in Christian times managed to convincingly imitate the writing style of Josephus and Tacitus, down even to Tacitus' offhand anti-Christian remarks, so as to insert references to Jesus that didn't make him look good, as Christians wanted, but made him look like an ordinary human cult leader.

Okay. Good to know.

Time Machine
10/30/2016 04:13:37 pm

It's good to know that the forger of Tacitus committed the gaff of calling Pontius Pilate a "procurator".

Cuspius Fadus was the first Procurator of Judaea 44-46 AD.

And I don't think the Gospels are that accurate, they were badly put together and why should Mark be the earliest Gospel when the author of that book could not get the topography of Judaea right ?

Why should Mark have been the earliest Gospel and not John - after all, the earliest extant Gospel fragments are those of John, not Mark.

Why should any of the Gospels have been written at different periods of time when we haven't got anything even mentioned from the first century.

Why should those passages by Paul refer to a Humanoid Jesus Christ when all other things written by Paul are out-of-sync with a Humanoid Jesus ?

I go back to the facts - the concept of Jesus Christ existed within the Old Testament long before the origin of Christianity and the references to Jesus Christ in the Old Testament are numerous to say the least.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/30/2016 06:32:00 pm

"It's good to know that the forger of Tacitus committed the gaff of calling Pontius Pilate a 'procurator'."

He was using the term for the Roman overseer of Judea that was used in his own time. In ancient times it was very hard to be perfectly accurate when writing about times decades past. See below.



"And I don't think the Gospels are that accurate, they were badly put together"

Yeah, they are kind of badly put together. That would make it even weirder, if they were making stuff up in the second century, that they managed to portray divisions between religious factions and a general political situation that had ceased to exist decades before their own time.



"I go back to the facts - the concept of Jesus Christ existed within the Old Testament long before the origin of Christianity and the references to Jesus Christ in the Old Testament are numerous to say the least."

Except that Jesus' life in the gospels doesn't match what you would construct when making up a story based on the Old Testament. Why make the messiah a Galilean and contrive stories to explain his birth in Bethlehem, rather than simply claim he was born and raised in Bethlehem? Why have him crucified, thus running afoul of Deuteronomy 21:23, rather than have him be uninjured until his throat was slit, as was the requirement for a sacrificial animal? Why should he die childless rather than having progeny like the Suffering Servant in Isaiah 53?

The answer that most non-Christian biblical scholars give is that the early Christians were the followers of a real messiah candidate named Jesus who walked and talked around Judea and got himself killed. When that happened, his most committed followers tried to cope with the shattering of their expectations while salvaging as much of their belief in Jesus as they could, which meant they had to virtually rewrite other beliefs of theirs. (This psychological effect is best known in the case of the Seekers studied in the book Why Prophecy Fails, though it's a somewhat artificial example. More organic examples include the Great Disappointment and the messianic movements surrounding two other Jewish leaders, Sabbatai Zevi and Menachem Mendel Schneerson.) They strained to find parallels to Jesus' situation within the Tanakh and found things like the Suffering Servant in Isaiah and the sacrifice of animals. Because Jesus had undeniably failed to do the messiah's most fundamental duties (pulling the Jews together in Judea, bringing peace to the world, and making other nations acknowledge the Jewish god), the Christians invented the concept of the Second Coming and said he would do all that stuff when he came back.

Time Machine
10/30/2016 09:43:57 pm

You keep repeating the stuff found in books and the Biblical scholars who write those books don't know anything about the subject matter and they never have done.

Gee, it's so easy to imitate literary style when written in paragraphs instead of whole books because you can get away with that. Tacitus and Josephus forgeries only exist in the form of paragraphs. The existence of "Annals" is unattested, never mentioned anywhere until the fragments suddenly turned up during the 15th century. Eusebius missed a biggie there when writing his Ecclesiastical History.

Jesus Christ always existed within Judaism. It's right there under our very noses.



Not the Comte de Saint Germain
11/4/2016 01:59:39 am

Yeah, we know you're the smartest person ever and know more than entire communities of people who spend their lives studying the subject matter. Whether it's Freemasonry or Jesus or the origin of religion, only you know the truth.


"Jesus Christ always existed within Judaism. It's right there under our very noses."

Then why doesn't he actually FIT the prophecies he was supposed to fulfill?

Shane Sullivan
10/28/2016 12:58:02 pm

"He claims that he had to insist to the network that he be allowed to doubt Bigfoot’s existence on air."

Ohh, that narrow-minded serial-debunker! =P

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Kal
10/28/2016 02:04:11 pm

I cannot begin to unravel the latest hooey from our buddies SW and JH. Ha. I'm sure JC is not the only one who discredits SW bunkery at every turn. I've seen other critics. I also know the KRS is a fake, but they will refuse to believe that, even when told by the family that left it, yeah, it's a fake. They will claim, no they were told to tell me it was a fake. Also if he's basic Templars on fictional bloodline books, that's oddly hilarious. The templars were all killed in France by that king. None of them survived. But no, it's a conspiracy and somehow they escaped. Pyramids tough aren't built by aliens. At this point SW is a troll. Ignore him.

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V
10/29/2016 09:58:59 pm

Um...only the French Templars were killed by Phillip. Any number of Templars in other nations survived. But the Order of the Knights Templar was dissolved, so they just weren't Templars anymore. Many of them were allowed to roll into other orders of knights or joined up again afterwards.

SW is an idiot and a troll, yes, but you can't combat ignorance with more ignorance.

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Eric Plumrose
10/28/2016 02:55:08 pm

'He adds that he thinks that cancer has also been cured as well.'

I'm presuming he doesn't mention *which* cancer.

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Jason Colavito link
10/28/2016 03:55:12 pm

The exchange was a little confused. He seemed to say that he thinks that an unnamed "they" know "more" about cancer than "they" let on, which I take to mean that he thinks that there are cures that haven't been revealed. He treats "cancer" as a singular phenomenon, so presumably he is referring to all the kinds.

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TheBigMike
10/28/2016 04:40:02 pm

Hey Jason, I just noticed this:

"by their firsts names, though it against my usual style."

"Firsts" should probably be "first" and it seems you're missing a word between "it" and "against." Possibly "is" or "goes."

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Jason Colavito link
10/28/2016 05:14:31 pm

Thanks. I've fixed it. Some day I will manage to type correctly, but I fear that day is not yet here.

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Only Me
10/28/2016 06:11:46 pm

Same old hogwash from one Scott Wolter. The only new thing offered was his announcement to collaborate with Graham Hancock. If all evidence of this lost civilization was washed away, then neither he nor Hancock have any "research" to combine. I'd like to see how they're going to discover this civilization, for which no traces exist.

Lynn and Drew Manning are quacks.

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Americanegro
10/28/2016 07:10:02 pm

When you've said "Wolter" it's redundant to say "pivots to the Knights Templar" don'tcha think?

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Americanegro
10/28/2016 07:41:35 pm

Wolter's latest thing is that the Kensington Runestone is a coded version of some razzamatazz from York Rite Freemasonry that he says he recently got initiated into and now he's all about "Brother Masons" and how 22 divided by 8 equals 2.75 FEET. That's the new development he mentioned. Because the people who built the pyramids and the Ark of the Covenant measured things in feet, right? Is there a medical term for "aggressively retarded"?

Also on his website he publishes a handwritten geological evaluation of the KRS from 1909 or 1910, says it's the only geological evaluation of it other than his, and that it agrees with his, when it actually says "could be hundreds of years old, or it could be really recent."

He also says he can read runes and is basically an expert because he worked (was in the room) with Swedish people for five years. Won't address whether or not he speaks modern Swedish.

It should be noted that the mathematician Cantor used the letter Aleph to denote [various order of] infinity. The hooked X is everywhere!

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Joe Scales
10/29/2016 12:02:45 am

Note Wolter is now only focusing on the numbers 8 and 22, as they're the only coincidental two number sequence that you can find in both the KRS and the York Rite Ritual. His earlier blog post claiming that an entire string of numbers coincided on both the KRS and York Rite Ritual text was easily disproved by a simple reading of the latter. What a fool he must have been to have actually gone before his Freemason brethren with such malarkey easily exposed as false and misleading by those who had likely been most familiar with it.

Time Machine
10/29/2016 02:45:51 am

>> 8 and 22<<

Number crunching is found throughout the Bible, It's a crucial facet of religions throughout the world as well.

Time Machine
10/28/2016 07:48:34 pm

>>dietary fat is good

That diet and pseudo babble go together goes back a long way

Edgar Cayce, Hilton Hotema.

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Clint Knapp
10/28/2016 08:02:30 pm

"He implied that he would like critics to (verbally) attack him in person so that he could have a face-to-face confrontation."

If this sentiment were at all true, then why did he run away screaming conspiracy the minute he found out you'd have something to do with Andy White's Forbidden Archaeology class - which he was under (or at least speaks as though he was) the impression was a "panel" or some other type event he might come in direct contact with his most vocal critic?

If the hot air could blow any harder Minnesota would be downright tropical.

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Kal
10/28/2016 08:41:47 pm

During the down times in Minnesota there are a lot of bars for bar hopping, and a lot of bs stories happen in bars, and that is probably where SW got his whole schtick.

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Joe Scales
10/28/2016 10:57:32 pm

I suppose Wolter fantasizes in regard to physically assaulting those that expose his fraudulent fringe activities and general mendacity online. I don't believe anyone is claiming to be "tough" in this regard; just more intelligent. But should Wolter ever get his wish, perhaps he should keep in mind that there's always a bigger fish.

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mike jones
10/29/2016 06:50:04 am

So "scientists" are liars and manipulators but they believe Wolter because he's a "scientist"?

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Jason Colavito link
10/29/2016 04:47:19 pm

Exactly.

Or, rather, "science" as a collective action is bad but individual "scientists" are good if they are known personally to them.

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Campblor
10/29/2016 05:55:55 pm

America unearthed has just recently been added to Netflix here in Australia....personally i think its great! Its a laugh a minute, though i do get a headache by the end of an episode. Not sure if its from laughing or trying to process the leaps of logic

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GMS1976
10/30/2016 03:42:35 pm

I find myself amused. Wolter's theories are clearly conjecture, and he does his level best to bend history around his beliefs, and when questioned, or evidence is requested to provided a sound historical basis to his theories, he has a little tantrum like a two-year-old because he's feeling "attacked" and picked on. It's like watching a stuck record go round and round.
I find it astounding that a channel, that includes the word "History" in it's name, actually paid for a show based on his absurd, unfounded theories that seem to grow like Pinocchio's nose every year.
True scholars want historical accuracy, and most are willing to collaborate or accept constructive criticism regarding their theories, which, I might add, are evidence-based.
Wolter is a one-man circus who trolls across the country, touting imaginary theories based on fairy dust, crying foul if an intelligent question is asked regarding the evidence behind them.
Truthfully, I'm bored with his antics. Maybe his meeting with Hancock might provide more entertainment.

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