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Should Public Libraries Promote Stan Gordon's Bigfoot-UFO Conspiracy Theories?

4/21/2014

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This morning I read an interesting diatribe by the pseudonymous Annoyed Librarian in the Library Journal in which he criticizes the Carnegie Free Library in Connellsville, Penn. for inviting longtime UFO researcher Stan Gordon to deliver a presentation on flying saucers at the library. The presentation occurred on Saturday, and it isn’t really the kind of thing I’d comment on except that I couldn’t get over the title of Gordon’s book: Silent Invasion: The Pennsylvania UFO-Bigfoot Casebook.
Gordon claims to have been involved in ufology since 1959, and his reputation rests on his “investigation” of the 1965 Kecksburg UFO “crash.” Although mainstream sources attributed the fireball seen December 9 of that year to a meteor or to a failed Soviet satellite, Gordon believes that a spacecraft shaped like a beehive (or a turd, frankly) crashed in Pennsylvania. The programs Nazi UFO Conspiracy (2008 on Discovery, now airing on American Heroes) and Ancient Aliens (S04E09, 2012) claimed that the craft was in fact a Nazi time machine that moved forward from WWII to 1965 before exploding. The Science Channel’s Dark Matters (2011) concurred, but thought it was more likely due to Nazi antigravity technology rather than time travel. Still: Flying space Nazis.

Gordon, of course, uncovered no actual UFO wreckage despite becoming famous for investigating the case and appearing on dozens of conspiracy-oriented TV programs, including—and this is only a partial list--Unsolved Mysteries, Inside Edition, A Current Affair, Creepy Canada, Alien Mysteries, Close Encounters, etc. He is always discussing material from his heyday in the late 1960s to the early 1970s, before the conspiracy apparently clamped down on the truth.

But what interests me is the way Gordon’s ideology has gradually transformed along with conspiracy culture in general. Beginning a nuts-and-bolts UFO investigator looking for metal fragments of physical craft, he gradually expanded his conspiracy to include government cover-ups, the paranormal, and, of course, Bigfoot. Last year he participated in the filming of two Bigfoot films, one a docudrama and the other a documentary, and he also was a key speaker at—and I didn’t know this existed—the Mothman Festival, an entire festival devoted to the “mystery” of a monster that was almost certainly an owl.

According to Gordon, Bigfoot isn’t just a hairy ape-like creature but is instead intimately connected to space aliens: “there may be more to the Bigfoot mystery than a flesh and blood explanation.” (Here is a link to an interview in which Gordon and Jeffery Pritchett explore whether Bigfoot is a space alien or, but of course, a Biblical Nephilim-giant; as I have learned the Nephilim-Watchers myth is the centerpiece of all fringe history.) The U.S. government is, naturally, deeply interested in the Bigfoot question as one way of learning more about the space aliens they’ve been trying so hard to cover up. In so doing, Gordon hits a number of the key defining traits of conspiracy culture: that “mysteries” are all connected, that the government is conspiring to suppress the truth, and that there is a discoverable hidden reality to UFOs. His website homepage currently features a computer-generated image of a green-eyed Bigfoot emerging from a flying saucer.

Of course you know this was all anticipated by the Looney Tunes, who placed Gossamer the Hair Monster in outer space and under the control of Marvin the Martian in Duck Dodgers and the Return of the 24½th Century (1980), a made-for-TV cartoon. It is not one of Warner Bros. best efforts, clearly because this was the conspiracy engaging in its penchant for spilling the beans by making its Bigfoot plans known. The Hair Monster had previously been a Frankenstein-like creation of mad scientists modeled on Peter Lorre and Boris Karloff in his two classic-period appearances in Hair-Raising Hare (1946) and Water, Water Every Hare (1952).

Gordon is currently on a library tour, in fact, spreading his message of a Bigfoot-UFO-government conspiracy to audiences across Pennsylvania. This is where Annoyed Librarian took issue with the ufologist’s desire to deliver his message not just to audiences that sought out his uniquely Looney Tunes view of Bigfoot but to public library patrons under the imprimatur of the libraries. Annoyed Librarian sees this as parallel to the decay of the History networks into the aliens and conspiracy channels:
And this sort of thing is at a library why? It seems to me that when a library is hosting a speaker who wrote Silent Invasion: The Pennsylvania UFO-Bigfoot Casebook, there’s a serious disconnect from the mission of providing reliable information.

That’s the sort of source librarians should be questioning, not promoting. When it comes to information, shouldn’t libraries be a refuge against the sensationalist nonsense that passes for educational TV? […] The sort of thing that TV networks start showing when they have abandoned educational TV and want to lure the gullible masses shouldn’t be the sort of thing libraries host to get people through the doors, unless the purpose is to show how gullible people use hearsay and a the absence of proof to support their conspiracy theories.
Here’s where I am of two minds about this. Are libraries intended to curate information for the purpose of public education, or are they designed to provide access to multiple points of view even when they are wrong? My gut reaction is to say that if a local author wrote a book, then it seems like the library ought to offer a venue to talk about it, but on the other hand we all know that there are obvious limits that libraries would never cross. They won’t let a Neo-Nazi present a speech on anti-Semitism, nor would they offer racists a platform for arguing the inferiority of various races. So at some level, libraries aren’t simply offering their floor to all comers.

This is also the reason that the History and H2 claims, expressed directly to me last year, that they simply offer a platform for their talent’s various points of view ring so hollow. They aren’t public access TV, and obviously, they’d never broadcast a show denying the Holocaust, advocating the Black Supremacist movement (yes, it’s a real thing), or calling for a communist revolution, even though all of these claims have supporters. When you look at the American Heroes Channel—a poor man’s History Channel circa 2001—you see programs (just last night) about the quest to find Noah’s Ark, the spear that pierced Christ, and the hunt for the Garden of Eden—but not shows about why Hinduism is the one true faith, or the quest for Xenu’s volcano. So they are making choices of some kind—based on perceptions of the audience’s attitudes and values.

Are libraries more like TV networks, playing to popular prejudices, even when those ideas—like Bigfoot’s UFO taxi service—are scientifically unsupportable? Or are libraries curated forums designed to educate the public—and if so, who makes the decisions about what they should teach? These aren’t easy questions, especially when we realize that as far as the audience—the public—is concerned, having a speaker at the library is a de facto endorsement of the speaker, no matter how many disclaimers you issue.

So what I have learned from all of this is that the idea that Bigfoot rides in a flying saucer is not just a stupid Ancient Aliens episode but an apparently established part of conspiracy culture. Will wonders never cease?
56 Comments
J.A.D
4/21/2014 07:43:48 am

Libraries are reflective of their community, we expect
the religion and theology section as well as the typical
motivational "power of positive thinking' section to be
larger in the small libraries of Bible Belt rural towns as
we assume the sciences dominate the stacks of big
city libraries. Given that the better Ufo researchers have
gone FOIA & asked for old BLUE BOOK era documents,
even if they are being overly paranoid or suspicious, at
least they are performing a public service. I can see a
separate section for these fringe books being created,
a set of shelves or even a table etc. but often libraries
are natural gathering places for the public at large and
the community. The librarians of today when getting
their degrees are aware of our Bill of Rights, and the
complex nature of our public space. Even at the risk of
humouring something erroneous they must be inclusive.

If one guest lecturer is allowed to speak, others who
might or might not contradict that person ought to have
an equal opportunity and access to that "bully pulpit"
just short of someone on the extreme fringe of the left
or right who advocates acts of violence. The odds are,
either the sciences are respected or the stacks are
reflective of a particular strain of a given Protestant
theology and world view. Trendy "pop" books often
go from a momentary success to the oblivion of the
stacks. Insofar as Nibiru can be either placed inside
ancient history or thought of an alternative to today's
hard core science, Sitchen has about three to five
places that he can crop up under Library of Congress or
Dewey Decimal. Judgement calls are often not uniform!

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[jad]
4/21/2014 07:54:51 am

Jason, you know the answer to this, textbook disputes often hit
at the local school district level and can get very fierce, often in
a town's or small city's budget, the public library is everyone's
semi-ignored metaphoric "step-childe" save when things polarize
and get political. trying to ban INTELLIGENT DESIGN books is
often very difficult, sometimes not buying at all for a local library
a trendy "Creationist" book is a profile in courage equal to the
ones JFK is said to have written for his famous political book. i
see this as a discretionary judgement, because students utilize
libraries still for high school and college level papers, not all is
online and many things after 1999 are often pay as you go like
JSTOR. this sorta freezes our sciences at the 911 cusp of the
interface between George W. Bush & William Jefferson Clinton.

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Dave Lewis
4/21/2014 02:35:32 pm

JAD you are making sense today. Did you get back on your meds or what?

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luv...
4/23/2014 10:34:46 am

the paragraphs if gonzo tend to be mine, the quips if on topic tend
to be mine, but in the past few days, i have picked up an "echo"
poster who does brief one liners and they do not have periods in
place when trying to "monogram" a posting. All my permutations
are not the earlier A.D. postings, i tried [jad] and (jad) to have a
visual difference, even though my paragraphs are often gonzo. i
try not to have my "caps" button on, but i can be gonzo when i
explore the long upper rectangles, it creates a unique look. i am
trying to be on topic and concise. i really wish there was an edit
function. some of these threads tend to rehash the obvious. the
other threads are why the blog exists. i am in the category of the
people who expect a DNA confirmation of Bigfoot is highly likely
because the new TV show THE TEN MILLION DOLLAR BIGFOOT
BOUNTY showed the public at large scientific standards and how
a small lab can test samples in the field. Two separate teams saw
tree moss and hoped they were Bigfoot hairs. Science is science.

KIF
4/21/2014 07:51:07 am

The "sit tight and believe" folks will always exist

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An Over-Educated Grunt
4/21/2014 07:51:20 am

Oh, the idea that Bigfoot is an alien has been in the ether for at least a decade. When Wizards of the Coast published d20 Modern back in 2002, the explanation for hairy cryptids was "aliens stranded on Earth in their eternal war with the Greys." Pretty sure that GURPS Black Ops discussed the possibility back in the late '90s, early 2000s, for that matter. However, gracing the pages of an RPG and being given public speaking space by your local library are two different beasts, since no one expects the truth from a game that actively encourages you to make stuff up.

On the other hand, I'm torn. If the library is giving him a voice as a local author, fine, most libraries have a "woo" section anyway. The library's not really supposed to be there to cast judgment on whether books are good or bad, they're supposed to be there to cast judgment on whether books are stocked and shelved. And yet... frankly, anyone who believes that Bigfoot rides around in UFOs doesn't need encouragement and legitimacy. Encouragement alone, perhaps; I can see him being tremendous fun at the local comic and gaming store, or in a New Age bookshop, but the very perceived neutrality of libraries gives him a legitimacy that he doesn't deserve.

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Agreed!!!! (imoho) [seyz lil ole jad]
4/21/2014 08:10:00 am

if Bigfoot is not human or a EMH/neanderthal or a really complex CroMagnon/ModernHuman/Neandertal mix given to something
glanular possibly where our epigenome and gigantism intersect,
if Bigfoot was once real say 100,ooo to 200,ooo years ago and
old bones set of speculations in our pre-IceAge ancestors, can
we legitimately assume if we are to find a Great Ape akin to or
like Gigantpithecus, their habits may resemble the current day
Bigfoot lore we have evolved over the last century? we see the
attempt to find this species on a daily basis, as Gorillas are not
assumed to be the source of Yeti or Yowie or Sasquatch stories.
if Bigfoot was once real, maybe Louis Leakey's Zinjanthropus had
lived in isolation a half million years or so longer than i assume
they did, or a million years longer on the evolutionary timeline?
Normally, it sounds like mountain gorillas set off a myth cycle,
save for CHINA's jaws & teeth that are very large, that are from
Gigantopithecus! The odds are against a Bigfoot being found but
the odds are way less for an intact skeleton like Turkana Boy's
being found over the next three decades. the "beastie" may have
once existed, i'm assuming the intestinal tract has five seperate
possibilities, actually, given that we are ominvores & flexible...

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[jad]
4/21/2014 08:17:24 am

China's ancient bones found their way to an herbalist shoppe often!
Thats were some of the Gigantopithicus remains were found before
being powdered up. Bigfoot lore may have had more instances of a
very ancient set of bones being a starting point. Bear hairs often are
said to be Bigfoot hairs, GOTO the short British TV program that
Prof. Sykes was part of for 3 episodes. i think like troll myths etc
we are taling about extremely ancient oral histories. this is like the
New World horses, camels and Mastodons in Pre-Columbian times!

Bazooka Bill
4/21/2014 08:24:12 am

Here we go
Again

[jad]
4/21/2014 08:24:23 am

Any book by Prof. Sykes on his DNA results belongs
in the Biology sciences section of any public library.
Technically he begins by examining Bigfoot evidence,
this hypothesis creates a very obvious overlap for him!

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/17/yeti-dna-ancient-polar-bear-scientists

"Are libraries more like TV networks, playing to popular prejudices, even when those ideas—like Bigfoot’s UFO taxi service—are scientifically unsupportable? Or are libraries curated forums designed to educate the public—and if so, who makes the decisions about what they should teach? These aren’t easy questions, especially when we realize that as far as the audience—the public—is concerned, having a speaker at the library is a de facto endorsement of the speaker, no matter how many disclaimers you issue."

[jad]
4/21/2014 08:26:25 am

sorry, can't stop

[jad]
4/21/2014 08:34:28 am

Duckies... a local librarian has to grant Ken Ham + Bill Nye an
equal & even amount of public access, if they are being ethical,
even if their local school district orders text books more often from
New York than from Texas. this cuts both ways, we see the areas
or the regions that prefer the Texas textbooks also may have kids
going onto Cal-Tech or M.I.T but to get into either school, The NY
textbooks give you more traction on an intellectual level. Again,
the INTELLIGENT DESIGN debate does not mentally damage a
student's curiosity, but a Creationist New Earth curriculum sinks
SAT scores. Bigfoot ain't why good students can flunk outta M.I.T!

[jad]
4/21/2014 08:37:36 am

LIBRARIANS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND
AND RESPECT OUR BILL OF RIGHTS.
otherwise all we are is an equivalency to
Stalin's agitprop or Hilter's Nazi checklist.
Jason's crusade of saving our public has a
clear constitutional limit! we are a democracy.

(jad)
4/21/2014 10:03:44 am

I ain't stopped yet. Gotta keep going

General Bootcamp
4/21/2014 08:13:42 am

I once attended a funny talk during the 1990s and some of the audience expressed contempt (Adrian Gilbert was promoting his latest)

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Graham
4/21/2014 11:29:41 am

Actually you can push it back further. There are at least two episodes of The Six Million Dollar Man (Mid 1970's/Early 1980's) that feature Bigfoot as the 'guardian' of Aliens.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
4/21/2014 02:40:17 pm

Gah, that's right, I'd forgotten about the Six Million Dollar Man and Bigfoot! That was before my time, but that's a legendary example of shark-jumping.

Mark E.
4/21/2014 03:29:40 pm

Conceptually I would go back to 1953 with the movie "Robot Monster" where the Ro-Mon actor is dressed in a gorilla suit with a space helment (actually a diving helmet and antenna attached).

Jason Colavito link
4/21/2014 11:23:54 pm

I completely forgot about "Robot Monster"! MST3K!

Shawn Flynn
4/21/2014 08:49:00 am

Nazi Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) are (Time?)traveling by UFO in PA? I can't say I've noticed but we probably should alert X-Com so they can scramble their interceptors.

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(jad)
4/21/2014 08:56:44 am

keep in mind there is a ww2 era loose rule of thumb where 1/10th
of any set of Nazis are actually "fifth column" Stalinists and any
obvious group of Stalinists have a 5th column inside their ranks of
dissembling Nazis who have lied lied lied to their fellow comrades!

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(jad)
4/21/2014 09:00:30 am

tis the same one in ten ratio.
this explains WHY we all do
see dear sweet J.Edgar Hoover
utilizing Joltin' Joe McCarthy
as a way to shake up IKE's
people. Hoover wanted a big
slamdunk on Harry Hopkins.
Dick Nixon may have savaged
poor poor innocent Alger Hiss.

An Over-Educated Grunt
4/21/2014 09:01:02 am

Well, as Al Crowley said...

"You have me completely puzzled by your remarks. I thought I had a morbid imagination, as good as any man's, but it seems I have not. I cannot form the slightest idea what you can possibly mean."

Matt Mc
4/21/2014 09:05:05 am

Can we get J.A.D no caffeinated Coffee. :)

(jad)
4/21/2014 10:03:00 am

gotta keep on and on

Mandalore
4/21/2014 10:05:17 am

Bigsfeet according to Sal.

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Steve In SoDak
4/22/2014 11:56:32 pm

Time traveling, flying, space Nazi's. Great, because those guys weren't annoying enough when they didn't have time travel and space ships, oh and Bigfoot is on the take too? I'm going back to bed.

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(jad)
4/21/2014 09:11:52 am

it is 4:10 p.m on the East Coast and our local Marathon has
almost concluded its run on our local television sets without
any sad or tragic incidents. i had got several cups of coffee
today happily, and have idle tyme today because its a big
holiday! i'm glad we aren't on the national news save in a very
good way as a nice & neat string of human interest stories!!!

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(jad)
4/21/2014 10:02:27 am

I can't stop gotta keep going, and going....

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(jad)
4/21/2014 10:04:47 am

More to come, need my fix

(jad)
4/21/2014 10:31:20 am

THE 118th RUNNING of THE BOSTON MARATHON
is NOW a TOTAL SUCCESS! y'all do know i did not
see any Bigfoot folk or E.Ts jogging across the official
finish line! in a way cool way i didn't think i would at all!

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should PRIVATE libraries encourage fringe groups and/or speculation?
4/21/2014 10:33:24 am

i'd like to think private libraries are better run than our public
libraries but i should not make an assumption on mere whim!

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Kal
4/21/2014 10:36:51 am

First of all, The crashed 'UFO' in the woods in the 1960s in Pennsylvania was not a UFO but a downed Russian satellite. At the time it was not a mystery, The government swooped in and took it.

The made up connections with bigfoot myth and aliens are just to explain that they never, ever find any evidence of bigfoot, ever. Nobody has ever actually found a body. If they were that prevalent, one of them would have died somewhere on a road and we'd have a body. Or one would get hit by a car on a highway.

Bugs bunny, ha! That's a good one. The hair monster explains it all.

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Bugs Bunny spotted a flock of Foo Fighters in '42
4/21/2014 11:01:25 am

If a Russian satellite abruptly ceased to function and fell to earth,
NSA would have created files pertaining to its procurement, but
if its ball lightning or swamp gas and not even a physical object
like a meteorite or disintegrating meteor, there is nothing to find!
An FOIA request can net heavily censored pages, a paper trail...

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KIF
4/21/2014 12:34:14 pm

Didn't you know Bigfoot has paranormal powers that helps him from becoming discovered?

See the book by Tom Burnette and Rob Riggs, "Bigfoot: Exploring the Myth & Discovering the Truth" (Llewellyn Publications, 2014)

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Drew
4/21/2014 11:08:06 am

I'm a public librarian and I'd have no problem with a presentation on Alien Bigfoot being hosted at my library. Heck, I'd probably attend it.

Trick is, there would need to be enough patron demand for the event to make it worthwhile. It can't be just me and some dude who had a Bigfoot costume in his freezer at home. Maybe I could lure in the patron I saw last week with the Exeter UFO Festival t-shirt or the lady I talked with back in December about Knights Templar in Rhode Island, but the three of us would not justify even the small honorarium the library can afford to pay the speaker.

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Frugal Frank
4/21/2014 12:22:25 pm

"library can afford to pay the speaker"

Payment....?
For what?

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Only Me
4/21/2014 12:53:44 pm

Ah, yes, good ol' Sasquatch. The only creature that remains unchanged, even as the story surrounding it "evolves".

First, it was relegated to Native American folklore and tales of hairy "wildmen" encountered in caves, abandoned mines and remote areas of the country, during the heyday of yellow journalism.

Then, it became linked to aliens, because the areas rife with sightings overlapped areas also heavy in reported UFO sightings.

Next, thanks to alleged and actual evidence (Jeff Meldrum's analysis of over 100 footprint casts and over 50 photos of the same, the Skookum Cast, discovery of Gigantopithecus blacki teeth and jawbone, etc.) Sasquatch was seen as a large, unknown North American primate.

Now, Sasquatch is once again linked to aliens, only this time, as a genetically-engineered, gold-mining servant. Or the descendant of the Nephilim-giants. Or the descendant of TV producer/script writer Danny Vendramini's "theory" of hairy, predatory cannibalistic Neanderthals that preyed on everything-including other humans- when they weren't busy kidnapping and raping the hapless womenfolk. Sigh.

Regardless, even if a specimen (live or dead) is found, it's a foregone conclusion that the fringe theorists and conspiracy mongers will not accept the "official story".

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An Over-Educated Grunt
4/21/2014 02:42:43 pm

Whatever the Man might find, the Bobes knows better. If he doesn't like donuts and bacon, it's not really squatchy.

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lil ole moi
4/21/2014 02:57:53 pm

Yes, Bobo Fay has every right to ask Scott Wolter about all the times
a "Squatch" was thought to be a Biblical Giant, got briefly prayed over
and then religiously buried in Minnesota over the last 300 years or so!

KIF
4/22/2014 02:52:44 am

We now know squatchy has paranormal powers and is aware of humans being in his area without seeing or smelling them

Daniel
4/21/2014 03:23:46 pm

Another public librarian here.

A few years ago, the library I was working at faced an issue right at the heart if the curator vs. uncritical purveyor tension. It was at the gh water mark of the execrable Kevin Trudeau's career in peddling textual snake oil with his "X Secret THEY Don't Want You to Know" series of books.

Our librarians could see them for the transparent bullshit that they were and refused to stock them. Ultimately, we received so many repeated requests (along with many accusations that we were in cahoots with THEM of course) that our head librarian relented and we ordered a few copies if his truly stupid and harmful health "secrets" book only on the condition that there be a sign noting that the librarians did not recommend it as a trustworthy source, and listing several other resources for actual health information.

This was not a perfect or even good solution, and it may have sine much to counteract the tacit endorsement an item carries simply by being on the shelf, but it's always been a valuable example of what a fine line we sometimes have to walk as information professionals.

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Matt Mc
4/22/2014 12:57:30 am

I like the idea of libraries have authors do presentations regardless of the subject matter. Anything that encourages and gets people to use this most wonderful of resources and maybe donate or help with funding the library system.

I have wonderful fond memories of going to see Shel Silverstein and Barry Louis Polisar (two local writers/artists in the area I grew up) as a child and once I got to see Maurice Sendak read from his books. As an adult a local library let me and some friends run a film noir film series discussing the how the films where able to address culture taboos and there impact on contemporary filmmaking. The series ran for about 5 years until DC cut funding and no longer provided films at all but one library location.

So, at least for me, regardless of the subject I am happy to see and will encourage any event at a public library. It is not that subject that should be judged but rather the encouragement of a great resource that most take for granted and is always at risk for funding and budget cuts.

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KIF
4/22/2014 02:50:52 am

As long as it's categorised in the "Child Psychology" department

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B L
4/22/2014 05:34:37 am

I sit on my local library board of trustees. As a tax-payer funded entity open for use by all citizens it is our belief that Freedom of Speech should be the over-riding policy here. A library should provide access to information, but should not make the decision about what information should be accessed by any individual. While I agree that Stan Gordon sounds ridiculous, censorship by a government funded entity such as a public library is only a stone's throw away from book banning and burning. Such policies would inevitably deteriorate to abuse and propaganda dissemination.

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B L
4/22/2014 05:38:31 am

Our library would provide a forum for such a presentation, but we certainly would not pay for the honor of hosting such an event.

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Jason Colavito link
4/22/2014 05:43:50 am

I think that's the key point. With libraries as a forum for free speech, authors should be able to deliver their lectures, but I wouldn't want my tax money going to fund UFO-Bigfoot conspiracy theories.

Drew
4/22/2014 11:55:51 am

In my experience, the payment offered speakers is not what you call large - it's more to offset gas and travel. We don't fly people out or put them up - we might take them out to dinner if they are a Big Enough Name but that's about it. I know there are some large urban libraries who can afford to do that (and even pay headliner speaking fees) but most libraries are not there.

250 bucks to get someone in to the library to speak to a room of 25 interested patrons? Sure! More people would be better (we average around 45 or so for our events) but that's what we can afford when it comes to adult speakers. Now, children's events... The Bubble Guy is pricey, but he packs'em in!

Shane Sullivan
4/22/2014 06:36:28 am

I read a comment on another blog once asserting that Bigfoot was an unknown species of hominid that lived in the biblical Land of Nod. Cain bred with them, thus explaining how he could have children despite having been banished from the rest of humanity. Of course, the Land of Nod is some kind of parallel world whose inhabitants can interact with us, but are invisible to us, which is why Sasquatch has not been discovered by science.

It was a truly inspired--and entertaining--piece of religioscientific mumbo-jumbo.

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BP
4/22/2014 08:04:13 am

Reminded me of an episode of The Six Million Dollar Man, with aliens controlling a robot/cyborg Bigfoot.
Now as a librarian I'm torn over this (not the Bigfoot thing).

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Robin S. Swope
4/22/2014 08:49:57 am

Stan Gordon is a great guy, and unlike a lot of researchers he is very skeptical. I know and have worked with Stan, and he has been as perplexed as anyone else with these UFO/Bigfoot connections. He only relates real encounters as described by their witnesses.

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IMOHO
4/23/2014 03:28:36 am

The UFO community has had rehashings & Monday morning
quarterbacking in each & every experiancer report. The mass
media from time to time has had offerings it has placed for the
public at large to look at, with a broad range of quality and/or
fictional speculations mixed together as an admixture. Like
the UFO community, each Bigfoot sighting that has a gravitas
to it has been put through a political litmus test on par with the
way Evolution has been jumped by Creationists. Lets face it,
the informality of this blog, given that it gives one and all a bully
is both its strength and weakness. It can go from being urbane
to being a zoo or playground, each poster has to find a balance,
there is a chorus of voices. Clearly put, each poster should begin
"IMOHO" because we all are coming at things with many differing
life experiances. There are rules inside the UFO community just
as there are rules inside the Bigfoot community. Topicality can
drive a dialogue or a debate, our mass media often frames debates.

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IMOHO its a very TEDDY ROOSEVELT BULLY PULPIT...
4/23/2014 03:38:14 am

Stan Gordon was not trying to lie or deceive the public at large.
Stan Gordon was not the producer of yesteryear's 1950s "B" flics.
Stan Gordon does have a sense of professional ethics, I assume
he does not put words in people's mouths. Bigfoot sightings have
increased, and are on a uptick, whereas UFO sightings have waves.
Lets now assume this is all not a manifestation of Jung's collective
unconcious as we realize there is often a real phenomenon that
is behind both UFO and Bigfoot sightings. Clearly, the owner of
this blog does not hold back his opinions, and people here are
very reflective of the public at large, hence the range of responses.

typo--- bully pulpit ^^^
4/23/2014 03:39:38 am

yes... there are rules.

Varika
4/22/2014 04:22:22 pm

I will say this, having the local romance writer or fantasy writer deliver a talk isn't precisely all about the scientific rigor, either. I have yet to read a romance novel that is a reliable guide to ANYTHING, and believe me, I've probably read THOUSANDS of the things. (They are my mind-candy, don't judge me! :-P) Actually, the fantasy novels tend to be more reliable when it comes to human interactions, if really nothing else at all. So just to start with, the assumption that a library is there "to provide reliable information" is false--unless you're talking research libraries rather than public libraries.

I personally am of the opinion that it is not the business of public libraries to censor OR endorse information of any sort. When I go to my local library, I don't want to be told that I shouldn't be reading something because it contradicts the librarian's beliefs, or even because it contradicts the laws of physics. The librarian doesn't have any clue why I'm reading the books I am. Wouldn't it be a lot harder for you, Jason, to do your research on the kooky stuff you research for this blog if you couldn't get to the sources for it all because somebody just thought it wasn't worth reading?

And as a patron who had to involve the STATE GOVERNMENT in a dispute with a librarian, I'm not exactly for the "right" of a library to refuse "whoever they want" from using their facilities. (Specifics: I am part of an organization of people who offer tests to get ham radio licenses; we are a volunteer organization that is technically part of Homeland Security because of the emergency services required of those who hold ham radio licenses. The librarian in question would refuse and "lose" our room bookings and hand them over to, oh, say, the local chess club just because she didn't like ham radio. We had to get our local State Representative to come out to the library and tell the woman she was interfering with the operation of a federal organization in order to get her to stop interfering that way. We no longer deal with the library, but with the local hospital instead, because this woman's prejudice was back interfering in less than two months. And yes, it was definitely prejudice, since we made a point of being model patrons, down to running the vacuum in the room if it was available.) Now, I don't think that the library should PAY this man to come to the library, but to say that he shouldn't be allowed to apply for access to host his lecture the same as any local patrons? That's just unfair.

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Dennis Berube
2/20/2015 06:14:13 am

Not only has Bigfoot been attached to UFOs, but so too has most cryptozoological creatures! Even Indian tribes of long ago considered Sasquatch from the spirit world, and a guardian of the nature one! Even the famed Loch Ness has its UFO stories connected to the monster and men in black as well (supposedly seen on the shores of Loch Ness)! Several people before Stan Gordon claimed to have seen Bigfoot both enter and leave UFOS. Don't say I believe it all, but those are the stories!

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          • Comparison of Antediluvian Histories
        • Egyptian Texts >
          • The Shipwrecked Sailor
          • Dream Stela of Thutmose IV
          • The Papyrus of Ani
          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
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          • Manetho
          • Eratosthenes' King List
          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
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          • The Book of Sothis
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        • Hermetica >
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          • Book of the 24 Philosophers
          • Aurora of the Philosophers
        • Hesiod's Theogony
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        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
        • Sepher Yetzirah
        • Tacitus' Germania
        • De Dea Syria
        • Aelian's Various Histories
        • Julius Africanus' Chronography
        • Eusebius' Chronicle
        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
        • The Orphic Argonautica
        • Fragments of Panodorus
        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
        • Agobard on Magonia
        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
        • Yazidi Revelation and Black Book
        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
        • The Kensington Runestone (Hoax)
        • Islamic Discovery of America
        • The Aztec Creation Myth
      • Lost Civilizations >
        • Atlantis >
          • Plato's Atlantis Dialogues >
            • Timaeus
            • Critias
          • Fragments on Atlantis
          • Panchaea: The Other Atlantis
          • Eumalos on Atlantis (Hoax)
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          • Sardinia and Atlantis
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          • The Mound Builders and Atlantis
          • Donnelly's Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Morocco
          • Atlantis and the Sea Peoples
          • W. Scott-Elliot >
            • The Story of Atlantis
            • The Lost Lemuria
          • The Lost Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Africa
          • How I Found Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Termier on Atlantis
          • The Critias and Minoan Crete
          • Rebuttal to Termier
          • Further Responses to Termier
          • Flinders Petrie on Atlantis
        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
          • The Seven Cities
          • The Lost City of Paititi
          • Manuscript 512
          • The Idolatrous City of Iximaya (Hoax)
          • The 1885 Moberly Lost City Hoax
          • The Elephants of Paredon (Hoax)
        • OOPARTs
        • Oronteus Finaeus Antarctica Map
        • Caucasians in Panama
        • Jefferson's Excavation
        • Fictitious Discoveries in America
        • Against Diffusionism
        • Tunnels Under Peru
        • The Parahyba Inscription (Hoax)
        • Mound Builders
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        • Tales of Enchanted Islands
        • The 1907 Ancient World Map Hoax
        • The 1909 Grand Canyon Hoax
        • The Interglacial Period
        • Solving Oak Island
      • Religious Conspiracies >
        • Pantera, Father of Jesus?
        • Toledot Yeshu
        • Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay on Cathars
        • Testimony of Jean de Châlons
        • Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar
        • The Many Wives of Jesus
        • Templar Infiltration of Labor
        • Louis Martin & the Holy Bloodline
        • The Life of St. Issa (Hoax)
        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
        • Fossil Origins of Myths >
          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
          • Fossil Elephants
          • Fossil Bones of Teutobochus
          • Fossil Mammoths and Giants
          • Giants' Bones Dug Out of the Earth
          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
        • Iron: The Stone from Heaven
        • Ararat and the Ark
        • Pyramid Facts and Fancies
        • Argonauts before Homer
        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
      • US Government Ancient Astronaut Files >
        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
      • Demonology and Witchcraft
      • Thaumaturgia
      • Bulgarian Vampires
      • Religion and Evolution
      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Scrapbook
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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