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Some Notes on Giants and Scott Wolter's Newest Rant

12/5/2014

33 Comments

 
I often receive complaints that I shouldn’t bother wasting my time reviewing fringe history TV shows because they are just entertainment and no one could believe them. The World News Daily Report hoax article about giants that went viral yesterday should put to rest that fallacious complaint.
I received dozens of notices and questions about the report, which ran on the “satire” website, whose name is often confused with the real news site World Net Daily. The article claimed that the U.S. Supreme Court forced the Smithsonian to admit to destroying tens of thousands of gigantic human skeletons in the early 1900s as part of a campaign to maintain the integrity of Darwinian evolution. The badly written article claimed that the Smithsonian sued the non-existent American Institution of Alternative Archaeology for defamation over claims that the museum destroyed the bones, and that dramatic testimony unveiled a century-old conspiracy. Supposedly, the Court ordered the Smithsonian to release classified documents, which is also silly since the Smithsonian is not a U.S. government agency and does not have the power to classify anything.

Not only is there no suit by the Smithsonian, the photograph accompanying the World News Daily article comes from a web presentation by Steve Quayle on the Coast to Coast AM website. The photo of so-called “giant” skulls shows skulls of perfectly normal size, to judge by the quarter provided for comparison. The quarter scales about perfectly to the cast of a human skull I keep in my office, and there is nothing “gigantic” about it. Quayle, though, is a very interesting figure. On his website we see the raw id of gigantology laid bare: Quayle explicitly ties gigantology to the Nephilim and Fallen Angels, and he uses both to make open appeals for readers to buy precious metals from him and to turn to him for advice on doomsday prepping. In sum, the giants are of interest because they prove the Bible true, justify conservative ideology, and guarantee the promise of the Apocalypse to come. Quayle is also the operator of Genesis 6 Giants, a crappy website about Bible giants.

He also has a section (co-written with Sue Bradley) devoted to scare-mongering about the coming zombie apocalypse, which combines (a) zombies, (b) Biblical prophecy, and (c) Helena Blavatsky’s root races. It’s a combination I’ve never seen before. In Quayle’s version of Christianity, ancient pagan mythology describes the wars and horrors of the earth before Genesis 1, and he sees myths of ancient cataclysms as reflecting the events that cause God to make the earth “without form and void.” 
This assumption explains the catastrophic nature and judgment contained within many of these stories. Atlantis, Lemuria, Mu, Shamballah, and Shangri-La — all are legendary great civilizations that are undoubtedly based on events in pre-Adamic time. These civilizations all display advanced design, technology, and/or health and medical advances only now seen in our modern age. And each tale contains an unbelievable day of reckoning which fell upon them because of their wickedness.
This is the most unusual reading of fringe history and Genesis I’ve encountered recently, since it essentially strips Genesis of its role in describing the special creation of the earth. Traditionally, fringe historians like Ignatius Donnelly or Helena Blavatsky or the ancient astronaut theorists have sought to tie the destruction of these (imaginary) civilizations to the Great Flood of Noah. It’s certainly an interesting way to try to merge the arguments of young earth fundamentalists with the scientific evidence for a much older earth.

However, when Bradley and Quayle begin writing that “Recent scholarship suggests the Easter Island statues memorialize a prehistoric zombie outbreak” and started citing fictional sources like the Zombie Research Society and the Federal Vampire and Zombie Research Agency, I began thinking that whatever the misbegotten mess of an “article” was meant to be, it wasn’t intended to be taken seriously. And yet, after reading part 2, I’m not entirely certain that the authors don’t mean for their audience to take this seriously as an investigation of the role played by zombies in world history as a counterfeit of the resurrection of the flesh promised in Scripture. Are they hoping the audience doesn’t notice? Or are they mistaking fiction for fact themselves?

Quayle’s eclectic style of throwing anything and everything into long incoherent collages that lack a clear thesis of connecting analysis makes it virtually impossible to figure out what he’s really trying to say. His websites mix together giants, UFOs, ancient astronauts, angels, zombies, prophecy, and various flavors of paranoia in equal measure. In fact, like Charles Fort, his assembly of seemingly disconnected material becomes a sort of Rorschach test, allowing the reader to see in it whatever the reader wishes.

On the opposite extreme, our friend Scott Wolter leaves very little up to the reader. He stopped by archaeologist Brad Lepper’s blog earlier this week to comment on a year-old post about the Newark Holy Stones, nineteenth century fakes that Wolter wrongly believes are evidence that Jews colonized Ohio in pre-Columbian times. Wolter returned to his favorite sub-theme, arguing that experts’ opinions are worthless (except for his own, of course) according to the standard of evidence used in U.S. law courts:
Think about it this way, what admit able (sic) evidence would you have to support your position if asked to present your case in a court of law? Remember, the other side would shoot down the unsupported speculation of your PhD witnesses. Bottom line is you can shout “fake” and “pseudoscience” as a way to try and discredit me from the highest hilltop as loud as you want; but that doesn’t make you right. A responsible academic should take the obvious and correct position that the stones remain an open question.
In a few sentences Wolter manages to discredit all of his own findings without realizing it, for he has rejected the very concept of expertise, logic, and reason. By rejecting the idea that experts can draw conclusions and that these conclusions have validity as a representation of truth, Wolter ends up destroying his own ability to suggest that his conclusions have any weight since they, too, require logic and reason (I know… work with me here) to draw conclusions from observations he claims as objective science. For example, his observation (disputed by experts) that the Newark Holy Stone “look” old does not imply that Jews came to America in pre-Columbian times even if we accept it, since dozens if not hundreds of alternatives could equally explain the observation. Wolter almost becomes a postmodernist in rendering truth unknowable.

Lepper responded to Wolter as logically as one might expect: “My arguments against the Holy Stone are not merely conjectures and unsupported opinions. And science is not a court of law.” He goes on to explain to Wolter the concept of burden of proof, which Wolter seems to have missed in his law lessons, and he schools Wolter on the difference between a mere opinion and a conclusion drawn from evidence. Lepper’s co-author, Jeff Gill, answered Wolter on the flaws in the Hebrew on the Holy Stones and offered some very thoughtful comments, which you should read in their entirety, on the way Wolter’s acceptance of the stones at face value misses out on the more fascinating story of how these artifacts played an important social role in the run up to the American Civil War, “the event everyone could see coming, and that everyone wanted to forestall, at whatever cost.”
33 Comments
Randy
12/5/2014 03:53:11 am

I've seen the "pre-Adamic ancient cataclysms" idea before. Though I can't identify exactly where, I want to say that it was in an openly fictional context, perhaps material for a tabletop game.

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Marius
12/5/2014 05:41:31 am

Maybe they refer to the Wars of the Valar against Morgoth in the time of the Lamps and Trees?

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DTG
12/5/2014 12:06:40 pm

Too bad that pesky Biblical Flood wiped out all 1st-3rd Age traces of Middle Earth, right?

EP
12/5/2014 01:06:03 pm

Also, don't forget about Conan the Hyborian Age, DTG :)

Randy
12/5/2014 01:26:54 pm

More along the lines of ancient conspiracies showing up in the modern day. Like someone made a game out of all of the real-world hokum.

Scott Hamilton
12/5/2014 04:04:41 am

I'm pretty sure that "Calling Forth of the Damned" document is meant to be taken seriously. Steve Quayle and Sue Bradley seem to fall into the extreme category of fringe writer who believe absolutely anything they read, so long as it is either 1) said to be connected to the Bible or 2) presented with even the thinnest veneer of scholarship. Like that guy who wrote about vikings meeting bigfoot, based on Eaters of the Dead's "found document" framing sequence.

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Only Me
12/5/2014 04:29:22 am

I like this part of Scott Wolter's comment on Brad Lepper's blog:

[Because people like you don’t do that is why my so many people watch our show and understand that people like yourself need to rethink your approach these historical mysteries like these stones. They should considered opportunities instead of problems.]

So, I guess it's not really about getting the truth, is it? It's about the opportunities!

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The Other J.
12/8/2014 12:09:05 pm

Yeah, apparently opportunities for run-on sentences.

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Jonathan
12/5/2014 04:52:21 am

Jeff Gill's made a point I had never considered before about pre-Columbian contact: diseases. "It is, I would argue further, more interesting than ignoring the epigraphy, paleography, and morphology (let alone the archaeology) and just saying “there were a few Hebrews who got lost in a storm and wandered inland and left a few odd objects in a grave after living out their lives as exiles among the Indians.” That’s one story, one with some key data against it (disease being the largest, but more piled up behind it)[....]"

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Only Me
12/5/2014 04:58:20 am

I lost it upon reading this:

[OOPARTS, Out Of Place Artifacts and practices are confirming the suggestion of ancient giant civilizations participating in global commerce, ritualistic practices and grizzly cannibalism.]

I guess that means when giants weren't busy ruling the world, they really enjoyed watching bears eating each other. LOL

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Shane Sullivan
12/5/2014 07:47:17 am

Ha! I wouldn't even have caught that 'grizzly/grisly' homophone. That makes me wonder if he meant it was the civilizations, or that the people they comprised were giant.

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EP
12/5/2014 10:14:19 am

Scott Wolter is an uncultured man. Let's not kid ourselves.

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Only Me
12/5/2014 11:49:07 am

I should have clarified the excerpt came from Steve Quayle's and Sue Bradley's "article" about zombies. My bad.

I agree with Jason, though. Not only was it confusing, it was poorly edited. The thought they might take their "research" seriously is frightening.

EP
12/5/2014 01:07:07 pm

Oh, I'm sure my comment applies to them as well :)

(I should probably take a look at their stuff... Shudder...)

CollectiveVoice
12/5/2014 03:36:05 pm

"Scott Wolter is an uncultured man."

And you just ooze culture. lol

Matt Mc
12/6/2014 01:02:25 pm

At least EP would never be a speaker at Barnes review events or associate with known American Nazi Party leaders and convicted Child Molesters.

EP also reads and researches about the subjects he addresses and admits when he is in the wrong.

I think for just those two reason EP is a lot more cultured than Wolter

EP
12/6/2014 01:06:51 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRP3oFjep_Y

Shawn Flynn
12/5/2014 09:18:27 am

Everyone should be able to see the satire article wasn't from WND, because it didn't blame Obama or the LGBT community for the Darwinism campaign. Its not enough to just be anti-evolution.

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DTG
12/5/2014 12:04:22 pm

Wow, that's incredibly impressive in its lunacy. It's as if Quayle has built one of those multi-armed pancake flinging machines from old cartoons and is using it to fling anything he can think of at the wall to see if it sticks.

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lurkster
12/5/2014 12:06:02 pm

Am I the only one laughing at the duplicity of AU season 2 suddenly editing Scott Wolter to present his screwy theories in a softer, less nutty light. And he goes off on a nutty rant, on a year old post. It's like he's hell bent on protecting his public image on being a mainstream nutter at all costs.

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RLewis
12/5/2014 12:14:39 pm

I can only wonder about the timing of SW's comments. Maybe there's another episode planned concerning these stones? Maybe SW was just trying to head off future criticism.

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EP
12/5/2014 03:57:58 pm

Moreover, why expose himself to certain ridicule? Like, what other kind of response could he have expected?

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CHV
12/5/2014 12:40:42 pm

Once again, Wolter fails to grasp the basics of the scientific method by leaping to a conclusion then scrambling to support that conclusion with biased suppositions. He'd make a great Biblical creationist.

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.
12/5/2014 03:58:56 pm

a PR gambit?
could be! If
Lost Giants is
in decline, is
A.U's "nielsons"
up or down???

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Bill Rivers
12/6/2014 04:21:11 am

Jason, about the Smithsonian not being a government agency...

"The Smithsonian Institution is established as a trust instrumentality by act of Congress, and it is functionally and legally a body of the U.S. government, but separate from the government's federal legislative, executive, and judicial branches."

Maybe not an executive branch cabinet-level agency...but it really is a federal public entity.

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Jason Colavito link
12/6/2014 04:26:50 am

You're of course right that it is a government-controlled entity, but I was trying to convey that it isn't an executive agency and therefore can't classify material or exercise governmental power.

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Ratbark007
12/8/2014 06:47:01 am

I hate to tell you but anybody anywhere can put papers into a white folder with a red square on the front saying classified. And anythng ever taken into a seclusion area becomes classified. So I can take your next blog article to work into the seclusion area and I'm obligated to leave it there and thus your article would be classified. Classified matter in no way is necessarily secret. Classified matter is printed in news articles frequently. Those privy to classified matter can not comment on it in any way even to disprove its authenticity. Now in the real world, your blog entry that I mistakenly take into the seclusion area eventually is reviewed, and after a "wth" comment is shredded. But that doesn't mean that they need to come after all known copies of your blog if they decide to keep it either. A crap load of personal stuff is classified. And as long as you setup a seclusion area with proper storage and removal rules any company or private citizen can classify anything they want. I can put badge readers on my front door and put safes inside with LSA signs all I want.

EP
12/8/2014 07:37:07 am

Ratbark007, your comment makes it completely clear that you fail to understand what the word 'classified' means. Completely.

Ratbark007
12/13/2014 05:22:03 pm

Last time im replying to you ever. As simply as I can put it. I worked for 12 years with and around classified documents. Being "classified" is a determination of compartmentalization. An example would be the subcontractor that worked in our building had classified material in their safes, within their Exclusion Area. These documents were classified by them and only classified intheir eyes. To govt entities it would be nothing more than "business sensitive". They chose to label them as classified and treat them in every way as classified documents, but outside of that subcontractor they are not considered classified in any way.

Now I'm sure you will burn your keyboard up googling as much crap as you can to argue with me. But save your time because I don't hold your opinion of much value. As we see another comment from you that is nothing more than an insult with nothing else to support or enlighten us at all. You could have cut and pasted random numbers in your reply and it would have been more valuable.

Now I have replied to your insult by showing that the almighty govt isn't the only entity that can classify information. This should also point to the original comment about the smithsonian not being able to classify information. They could. And I'm not saying they do, just that they could. But I'm sure they don't. In fact in all the LSA's and exclusion areas I've worked in I know of only two sub contractors who did that. Part of what they were doing was proving to those who matter that they were capable of handling govt classified documents.

See EP, the way things work in the real world are more complex than you might imagine. Especially since you don't know what your talking about because you've never been cleared. And I still don't understand why I come here to exchange knowledge, but end up in some sort of Narcassistic Personality Disorder display by you in reference to every question I have or every comment I make.

But not to worry. I will not come back, because you make this not worth my time. Instead of asking questions in another blog im forced to come here and feed the big ole troll under the bridge. I hope whatever you get out of acting this way helps you to overcome whatever your dealing with in your personal life outside of here. Because if it isn't then your not only wasting my time but yours as well.

EP
12/13/2014 06:37:50 pm

Since by your own admission you don't understand why you do the things you do, I should probably steer clear from you as well :)

David
12/13/2014 06:49:39 pm

Ratbark007, it's not NPD. It's "Dark Tetrad".

EP
12/13/2014 07:00:09 pm

David, is that a compliment? :)

Kal
12/6/2014 12:35:52 pm

The "o-parts" are a McGuffin device used in the narrative of some animae Japanese cartoons. I find it funny they used that term, as usually those cartoon characters are looking for unknown artifacts. The most famous of these is Pokemon. Goota catch em all.

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