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Some Thoughts on Victorian and Pulp Influences in TNT's "The Librarians"

11/2/2015

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Over the weekend the local news here in Albany reported that a contractor doing work in Schenectady found bones while working in the yard of a house in the Stockade district. Police were notified, and the police called in a medical examiner and an anthropologist to examine the remains, which several days later the anthropologist concluded belonged to a farm animal, likely a cow, and had been in the earth at least 50 years. What’s interesting about this is that many people looked at these bones and several mistook them for human, something that should give gigantologists pause when they assert that no one could confuse large animal bones for those of a giant human.
The good news, though, is that no one tried to pass off a cow as a nine-foot-tall human, and everyone trusted that the experts would be able to tell the difference between a person and a cow. However, once you cross the border from everyday events to those that have political or social ramifications, suddenly you end up in a parallel universe where “academics” are conspiring against the everyman, while only rogue amateurs possess the hidden key to determine which animal bones are really Nephilim in disguise.
 
The British Metro publication had an article today about “Ellis Silver,” the pseudonymous author of a book claiming that human beings were sent to Earth from another planet as punishment for sins on this other world, and the proof is in the fact that people get sunburns, something that he says shouldn’t happen to creatures that evolved on the Earth. I talked about Silver briefly when his ideas formed a segment of Ancient Aliens back in August. They are no sounder now than they were then, and PZ Myers spent significant space bashing Silver’s grasp of evolutionary biology in a post yesterday that formed the basis for the Metro article. Myers looked into Silver’s background but couldn’t find any reality to the man’s claims to credentialed glory.
 
But what I’d like to talk about today is the second season of TNT’s The Librarians, which debuted last night in a two-hour block. Watching the show, I was struck by how closely it aped the stereotypes about Victorian scholar-adventurers, a Eurocentric narrative in which a predominantly lily-white band of heroes raid other cultures, hoard their artifacts in Neoclassical temples of universal knowledge, and exercise a divine right to adjudicate other people’s conflicts on behalf of a Euro-American culture that assumes itself to be universal. From the costuming to the set design to the plotting, The Librarians is a throwback to the early twentieth century pulp era’s romantic longing for the glories of Victorian empire.
 
It probably goes without saying that nearly everyone on the show is white, excepting one character who is a culturally assimilated Asian and saddled with the characteristic Yellow Peril traits of shiftiness and duplicity. The head librarian, played by Noah Wylie, reprising his role from the TV movies that preceded the series, has graduated from Indiana Jones-inspired outfits to full-on 1970s-era Doctor Who Victorian drag. And like the Doctor, the Librarians pop in to various times and places, though they go through a magic door in a building bigger on the inside rather than a technologically magical box that’s bigger on the inside, and solve the world’s problems as benign colonial overlords, akin to the British and French “advisors” who used to make decisions for non-Western peoples in the colonial period. Unlike the Doctor, though, the Librarians aren’t terribly conflicted about their actions and are happy to raid other cultures to “secure” powerful artifacts to decorate their Library, sort of like the way the British Museum and Louvre filled up with the spoils of empire. Oh, and they also apparently have God’s own blessing for raising ethnocentrism to a universal good: In the second hour last night, it was revealed that the Library is actually built around the Garden of Eden, which they guard and thus control.
 
I can’t imagine that the writers or producers of the show gave even a minute’s thought to the message they were sending, especially since the series is very clearly assembled from spare parts of earlier pulp-influenced movies and shows. There’s more than a hint of Warehouse 13, Indiana Jones, Relic Hunter, and any number of others. What’s interesting, though, is that in developing their version of a pulp adventure, they essentially resurrected the imperialist-colonialist narratives of King Solomon’s Mines and pulp fiction and reanimated them in a form that seems almost to consciously celebrate the aesthetics of the Victorian universal museum as the Platonic form of what it means to be educated and erudite. It’s hard to image anyone making a similar series set in the blank white walls and blinking video kiosks of the modern museum.
32 Comments
Bob Jase
11/2/2015 03:32:11 pm

"The good news, though, is that no one tried to pass off a cow as a nine-foot-tall human"

You left off the 'yet'.

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Only Me
11/2/2015 03:50:15 pm

Awaiting Minotaur claim.

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Only Me
11/2/2015 03:48:33 pm

First we have Billy Budd (William Harold Bradshaw) claiming a strain of marijuana turned ancient people into tetraploid giants, now "Ellis Silver" claims we're bad aliens stranded on Earth because sunburns and disease.

Silver - 223 extra genes = alien origin
P.Z. Meyer - 20,000 genes shared by humans and all other life forms on Earth = earthly origin

We're gonna need a bigger boat. :(

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The troll Krampus
11/2/2015 04:03:34 pm

T.V.= Tell-A-Vision. A box for indoctrination and behavior modification. Mass mind control in the convenience of your living room. Of course, the inquiring mind may be more resistant. Being critical of something is beta and super-beta waves which is counter to relaxing and entering alpha waves, which is what generally happens while watching tv, listening to music and even reading.
Do programmers and designers of electronics and marketing industries use subliminal techniques and devices on the public? I honestly don't know for certain, but come on, people in certain positions of society break laws all the time to....increase their power, prestige, and wealth. They just bribe and blackmail to keep it as quiet as possible. Anyway,here are some relative links to the subject.
http://www.csicop.org/SI/show/cargo-cult_science_of_subliminal_persuasion/

http://www.progressiveawareness.org/research_desk_reference/legal_status_of_subliminal_communication.html

http://rexresearch.com/sublimin/sublimin.htm

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/5jcl/5JCL59.htm

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Matt Mc
11/2/2015 04:15:40 pm

Okay I have been quiet here for a while but I have to call BS when I read it. As someone who has made his living editing TV programs for the past 20 yearsI can honestly say there is no subliminal messages in TV programs. There is no need, results are much better achieved appealing directly to a person perceived psychological needs than trying to appeal and manipulate them on a subliminal level.

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The troll Krampus
11/2/2015 05:00:29 pm

So then you're just an editor and not a technician? I assume you also read the articles in the links I left and even checked the patents before you replied.

I'll assume you're an honest and good person, Matt Mc. Try this though: go around asking some of your co-workers about subliminal advertising. Just do it casually and see what response you get. Preferably, ask co-workers who've been in the tv business longer than you.

I don't know why you would think there is no need to use such techniques and devices, if in fact they do work. They would only enhance the effect of marketing to the desired group of people. Would that be desirable?

Matt Mc
11/2/2015 05:22:31 pm

There is no need for subliminal tactics. Believe what you want, there are much better ways to convince someone to buy a product or conform to an idea than subliminally.

Now I wont go to say that some movies (FIGHT CLUB for example) did not use subliminal images within the film or deny that the practice was common in print advertising.

Also just curious, who do you think would add the subliminal messages in a news piece, dramatic show, sport program?

I will say the are many many editing techniques that appeal to basic human psychology and those along with filming techniques are used all the time to cause influence and those have been proven much more subtle and effect than any hidden subliminal messages. Like I said there is no need to hide a message when you can be direct about it.

Like I said believe what you like, but subliminal messages in programs are like viking in Minnesota. Can be a good yarn but has little basis in reality.

The troll Krampus
11/2/2015 05:39:52 pm

I am sure that there are much better ways to get people to by a product and to conform to an idea. You've apparently been doing it for 20 years so you would know. Care to let me in on some of those techniques?

P.S.- How do you feel about manipulating the unsuspecting viewers? Feel proud of yourself?

Only Me
11/2/2015 06:56:04 pm

"How do you feel about manipulating the unsuspecting viewers?"

Are you saying there is something inherently wrong with the techniques Matt Mc described? Everyday interaction employs manipulation, both subtle and direct. Not everyone is aware of it, but it happens.

Lacking the ability to personally interact with the viewers, TV becomes the intermediary for marketing and programming execs. That doesn't mean the techniques they use are a form of brainwashing.

Pam
11/2/2015 06:56:30 pm

Krampus: Advertising has used visuals forever to influence people but it's not exactly secret. " Buy this gizmo and you, too will be beautiful and have tons of friends".

Music sets the mood or conveys emotion in films, television and commercials.
It's a science, but not rocket science.

tm
11/2/2015 08:20:05 pm

When I was on the professional staff at a psychiatric hospital 20 years ago I researched the literature on this hoping to find something to offer more help to some of my patients. I found no repeatable studies that demonstrated the effectiveness of subliminal influence or subliminal learning.

Krampus, the author of the first article you listed above found the same thing. In fact, he made almost the same point as Matt:

"By looking for subliminal influences, we may ignore more powerful, blatant influence tactics employed by advertisers and sales agents."

I would add fringe thinkers and most politicians to that list. Unfortunately, the fact that a patent exists doesn't mean that something actually works as stated.

The troll Krampus
11/3/2015 09:40:09 am

Yes I read all the articles. Where you think I'm stupid, I fooled you. I'm trolling. Yes, V, I'm proud that I got the responses that I did. I wanted to see how people react with this kind of material.

As for the question posed by Only Me: Yes, I find manipulating people to conform to an idea and buying certain products whether they need them or not to be inherently wrong.

Yes, you could say I'm hypocrite for manipulating your thoughts and emotions to get you to respond but I'm not trying to manipulate you to buy a product or conform to an ideology. The people who do this have serious moral and ethical issues and they largely go unpunished. Their targets are the unsuspecting and naive.


I'll leave it here for now.

Clint Knapp
11/3/2015 10:28:29 am

Sure you are. Your product is "The Troll Krampus". You're attempting to sell yourself as any number of things; someone who can get a rile out of people, someone who has no qualms making false statements, someone who should be listened to as an iconoclast speaking out against the evil world, etc... etc...

Why should the scale of an audience or the exchange of money decide who's morally superior in using the same tactic?

You simply backpedal and create a false argument for the sake of... what exactly? Other than wasting time and cluttering up Jason's comments section, you achieve nothing but a failed attempt at intellectual sparring with more knowledgeable individuals.

The troll Krampus
11/3/2015 11:36:00 am

Wasting time and cluttering is subjective. If I was really a problem for Jason my IP would be blocked from using the comments section.

No one who that has responded is coming off as "more knowledgeable" than myself, Clint. Perhaps you could be the one if you give it a shot.

"The troll Krampus" is my pitch, but not to manipulate people into buying consumer goods and ideologies to fill my pockets or to further along a political or religious agenda. I like to generate content.You never know what people will type out when instigated.

Let me ask you, Clint, why do you come to this blog? Do you need to be told that there are fraudsters and charlatans writing books and producing tv shows about hoaxes and misinterpretations of myths and archeology and pandering it as truth? Perhaps you just like to read about it. That's alright, you don't have to answer these questions. Don't give me the satisfaction of responding either.

Only Me
11/3/2015 01:14:03 pm

I will contend one point you made, Krampus. The manipulation of people to buy goods to fill pockets isn't inherently wrong.

The first humans created trade and the barter system, giving rise to economics and the law of supply and demand. Those who create goods do so out of self-interest. The consumer buys those goods out of need or want, for their own self-interest. It's inevitable someone will create something others need or want regardless of how temporary that need or want lasts. And we aren't limited to just physical goods; exchange of ideas is part of this system, too. Better idea, better product, better quality of life (in theory).

Without this self-interest, and the manipulation that serves it, all facets of humanity and civilization will become stagnant. Even the fringe community fits into this paradigm. By offering an alternative to the status quo, we can compare the two and realize the status quo is still the better choice.

If manipulation of the consumer keep us moving forward, I'll take that over decadence.

The troll Krampus
11/3/2015 03:34:01 pm

That is a great response, Only Me.

Going on that reasoning, would you say that crime is wrong? I'd assume you would say no.

Your response reminds of this article.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_evilgod.html

I'm curious as to how others feel about your justification of deception and lies to keep the status quo.

Here's another article that is similar to your conclusion. Reminds me of dogma in general.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StatusQuoIsGod

Clint Knapp
11/3/2015 03:36:20 pm

Unlike some, I am willing to address a direct question.

I came here initially, about four years ago, through a link from Mike Heiser's site. I'd always enjoyed Mike's scholarship in regards to confronting the growing number of ancient astronaut idiots clogging up Coast to Coast (which used to be my favorite radio program until Noory's incarnation brought more and more woo and less and less skepticism), and found the article he'd linked to here an interesting read.

I continue to come here not to be told what's out there - I know that well enough on my own - but because Jason goes beyond reporting on what's new in the world of fringe and takes the time to research and present valid and valuable information as to where these claims come from and what the truth, if there is any to be found, may be.

As such, in that four years I've seen a lot of Krampuses come and go, and you're really nothing special or unique. Just another in a long line of pseudo-intellectuals spouting the same tired old rhetoric the rest of them have.

You're not creating content. You're detracting from it under the guise of higher morality and Google-search education.

Only Me
11/3/2015 08:59:00 pm

Wow, Krampus. I thought we were going to have an actual discussion, but it didn't take you long to go off the rails.

Crime is wrong since it benefits an individual at the expense of others, contributing nothing to society.This topic has nothing to do with biblical interpretation, so your first link is irrelevant. The second link is the direct opposite of the real world, which you would have understood if you hadn't missed the point of my previous response.

Since you think advertising and crime are equal, there's no point in continuing the discussion.

The troll Krampus
11/4/2015 09:48:36 am

Only Me, isn't human civilization modeled after religion? If so that link is relevant. And you must have missed my words of "dogma in general" for that second link. Perhaps archetypes would have made more sense to you instead of "tropes". Using such archetypes "teach" humans about themselves. But lets leave this second link out and go on to "self-interest".
If self-interest is the drive of civilization, as you suggest and justifies manipulation to fulfill self-interest,then crime is ok. Crime is just the other side of the coin and is driven by self-interest.Especially organized crime.
I believe these are your words: "Without this self-interest, and the manipulation that serves it, all facets of humanity and civilization will become stagnant." Crime is needed for civilization, right? If so then it isn't wrong if it helps civilization evolve.

https://kpulawandsociety.wordpress.com/2012/10/15/crime-and-justice-needed-for-a-normal-society/

Clint. A guise of higher morality is necessary for this thread. As far as "google search education" goes, who doesn't use google to get info on something. I bet you've done it.

Matt Mc
11/4/2015 04:38:25 pm

I am not sure how you think you are trolling when I simply nicely said you are full of shit,

You then demonstrated a lack of understanding of my profession, enough so I simply re-iterated you are full of shit.

You then basically said you where full of shit,

That is pretty much a trolling failure and all you have shown is that you in fact are full of shit.

The troll Krampus
11/4/2015 05:54:03 pm

Well, Matt you obviously don't know what trolling is.

And if you have used these editing techniques that are much more effective of getting people to conform to an idea or buy consumer goods by tricking them at playing to basic human psychology I would say that you are a piece of shit. Unless you haven't or don't then you're ok. So have you? Do you?

Matt Mc
11/4/2015 06:15:27 pm

I have never once edited a commercial to sell a product. I have worked in news media and after many years I left that job because I was not happy with what I was doing. Have I done it yes, do I still do yes, I am hired to make a product, that is a my case TV shows. I do my work and hope the show I work on gets good ratings so I can continue to work. My job is to help provide a interstitial between commercials, if I am doing my job the view watches the whole program. I have no shame in using the skill set I have learned to best achieve this end goal. I long ago choose to not work on programs that selective goal is to manipulate the audience, a choice that is mine to make. I only could of reached this decision working for the news organizations that I did. My disgust was not with how the new was portrayed but rather the news that was being portrayed, again the whole reason for the news programs was to sell advertising and I was unhappy with the pandering to the audience at the expense of real informative news.

So tell me, do you enjoy, trying to use rhetoric to provoke a certain response from people. Trying to use words, questions, and provocation to manipulate someone into a desired response?

Sure you fail at it but that in no way detracts from the intention.

Which is worse, A person who came to terms with what they do and makes a effort to not participate in something they find ethically wrong in their profession or a person who stated only purpose is to distract and provoke negativity through manipulation with no true goal or outcome other than to cause frustration to others?

Which person serves the common good more and actually may be able to promote some sort of change, all be it minor?



I leave you to judge that one.

The troll Krampus
11/6/2015 09:42:09 am

Your question: "So tell me, do you enjoy, trying to use rhetoric to provoke a certain response from people. Trying to use words, questions, and provocation to manipulate someone into a desired response? " My answer: Yes, and I already answered this in an above response. I haven't failed at anything here. I'm getting what I want. You've answered my questions to my satisfactions.

Your response though, is one big pile of cognitive dissonance and contradiction. You admitted to using the techniques in question to trick people and that you still do. You felt bad about doing it in your previous job because you didn't like the news content being portrayed and not how it was portrayed( news is often biased and fear mongering). You even said if you do your job right people will watch the whole program. That is because of the interstitials that are designed with the very same manipulative tactics in question. You say you don't want to work on programs that have the intention to manipulate the audience ( which programs don't have that intention?) but providing interstitials that do is ok.

Your confession of sin was exactly what I was hoping to get from you. I also hope that others have read it, especially Jason Colavito, the blog owner. And that they may throw in there thoughts on this.

Matt Mc
11/6/2015 10:04:40 am

Nope not a sin and I do not feel bad.

Not a contradiction at all. I use my training to attempt to provide the most entertaining programs a can with the resources (filmed product) given. I would say I do it well since I have stayed employed. What I do is not different that what anybody else does in a public creative medium.

If working with an ethical conscience and having achieved a level of success to the point that I can reject offers that go against that conscience is bad, I will gladly be bad. I am damn proud that I can put food on the table, work pretty much when I want and still feel good about what I do and be creative at the same time.

Have fun, keep trying, It is fun to read your twisted failed logic as I sit a work waiting for things to render.

The troll Krampus
11/6/2015 11:31:23 am

I understand, Matt. Blame the message not the messenger. You're just choosing the lesser of evils. Right? You're just doing your job. I get that. I think we're done here.

Thank you for participating.

V
11/2/2015 07:13:23 pm

...did you...read your own links at all? Because the VERY FIRST ONE says, in short, "Yeah, no, subliminal messaging in film is bunk and the first famous study was a total lie," the second one is strictly about laws ABOUT subliminal messaging not about its reality, the third one is a PATENT LISTING, and the last one does not mention the word "subliminal" AT ALL. (Yeah, no, because something has been patented to "protect" from something in no way means that the object is NEEDED.)

You're pulling conspiracy crap out. There is no need to use something that doesn't even work when careful film-making is far more effective. I have background in graphic design and animation, and I'm with Matt Mc on this one. There's no "subliminal advertising" because it isn't NECESSARY.

You want what techniques people use to sell products? I'll give you a few.
- Placing the product in the hands of physically attractive people
- Using color and music to create the mood the designers feel will most likely induce their target demographic to buy their product
- Using manipulative language to appeal to the emotional rather than the logical
- Paying to have advertisements placed both spatially and temporally where the largest audience will be exposed to the ads
- Paying to have their products used in movies and TV shows

Also you clearly know nothing about TV if you think that the EDITORS are "not technicians," since the people who take the raw footage and turn it into a finished piece are the EDITORS, not "technicians" of some sort. That's why it's called "edited footage." If people actually used subliminal messaging, it would be the job of the EDITORS to put that messaging into the film in the right places and times.

Yes, advertising is absolutely there to manipulate you. But it's not precisely MORE manipulative than what you pulled at the end of your last post, with your attempt to raise the emotion of shame with your language, sir. So how 'bout you? Do YOU feel proud of yourself for your attempt to manipulate instead of using actual logic and science?

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The troll Krampus
11/3/2015 09:49:36 am

V, you seem like you're hysterical. Calm down and think of the bigger picture here. Manipulation on a grand scale to engineer societies the way you want. Our society is hierarchical and divided into class. The leaders of society create the wars, racism, famines, ect. to get what they want.

Pam
11/2/2015 06:44:52 pm

How could they not celebrate Plato's view on education considering the Victorian influence you mentioned? Western educators have studied Plato's writings on the subject for some time as well as the moral imperative behind them. Plato's influence on western thought runs deep, even though many don't recognize it anymore.

I thought the Asian character was more representative of today's youth. He only knew about Frankenstein ' s monster from the movies but once Flynn explained the actual story, the Asian youth diffused the situation by showing the monster how to gain what he wanted most: Acceptance, admiration and love.

I saw a lot of Christian reference, especially the clunky device of putting the Eve character in the Garden of Eden and the rainbow, though maybe it's more correct to call it Judeo-Christian because. ..old testament.

I only saw this two hours but the guardians were motivated by their fight against Prospero so it limits my knowledge.

It's not a program I'd watch ordinarily, but if it causes one child to want to read "Alice In Wonderland" or "The Tempest" because they realized that there was some "cool stuff " in literature, then I'd consider that positive.

I did like their view of the Tree of Knowledge. ..an evergreen sapling. Very nice I thought.

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Jason Colavito link
11/2/2015 07:02:49 pm

Yes, I'm sure Jones (the Asian character) was intended to represent an amoral Millennial. It just happens that in the particular pulp-influenced milieu, the characterization (more prominent last year, before the harder edges got ground off) struck me as unintentionally reflecting the stereotypical untrustworthy Asian of '30s pulp fiction.

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Pam
11/2/2015 07:09:06 pm

Your familiarity with that genre gives you an insight I lack.

I was struck by the Garden of Eden being the center of the library but on a different plane. Interesting I thought.

Kal
11/2/2015 07:44:32 pm

Advertising is made to sway people into buying something, and it is a science, and like the concepts of cold reading and hot reading, is also used by fake magicians and flim flam artists. No need to be secretive or subliminal about ads. They can have hidden messages, but usually it's not subtle. It's right there. If you buy this beer, you will have hot girls in bars chatting with you, or you will be the most interesting person in the world somehow. If you buy this pill, it will give you a better whatever, for a certain price. If you buy this magic tool for a certain price, it works wonders, until it breaks.

And yet they do airbrush in naughty things in fake ice in magazines. I've seen it. It;'s when they mess up it's funny, like when they airbrush a model to have too long an arm, or missing a leg!

If you combine the Judeo Christian Eden with the out of Africa science models, you get a reddish coffee skinned Adam and Eve in that garden.

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Nobody Knows
11/3/2015 10:12:34 am

The Garden of Eden was important for the growing and cultivation of cannabis.

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