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Steve St. Clair: "Angry Skeptics" Fail to Refute Genealogical Evidence for Sinclair-Templar Connections

2/16/2015

66 Comments

 
One of the criticisms that comes my way at least once a week is why I bother reviewing cable TV shows. Some ask who is watching them, and others wonder who takes them seriously. Here’s another reason it’s so important to get high quality information about fringe history claims out where the public can find it: The public is apparently extremely interested in fringe history mysteries. According to Decider.com, 13 out of the 50 most popular streams on Netflix currently belong to The Truth Behind, a 13-episode NatGeo series from 2013 covering such fringe history hits as the Ark of the Covenant, crystal skulls, the Loch Ness Monster, UFOs, and more. 
The Truth Behind is hardly the most offensive of its ilk, and more often than not it comes to a conclusion that debunks some of the most ridiculous fringe claims. However, the sudden popularity of the NatGeo series speaks to the public’s continuing interest in fringe topics, even if Netflix’s internal ranking system doesn’t actually tell us how many people are watching the show.

Netflix is currently also streaming the first season of America Unearthed, and this has spawned a new round of emails from first-time viewers who (a) can’t tell the difference between me and show host Scott Wolter, or (b) are mad at me for criticizing their new crush, or (c) are thrilled that someone has published facts to refute the show’s outrageous claims.

Speaking of which, Scott Wolter turned his blog over to his friend Steve St. Clair on Saturday so St. Clair could discuss DNA results that he believes prove that he is descended from people who were married to people who founded the Knights Templar. St. Clair railed against “the angry skeptics, who take pot shots at the show from the peanut gallery” and demanded they produce evidence to refute his claims, as though the burden of proof somehow this time failed to fall on the claimant. “The facts are the facts. At some point, the pundits must come out with legitimate evidence to dispute my claims, or slink away with their tails between their legs.” Since there is currently only one other science-based skeptic reviewing America Unearthed, and she is still on season one, I presume St. Clair has pluralized me.

St. Clair objects that skeptics fail to understand that at just 44 minutes per episode, America Unearthed has too little time to provide details to support its claims. As someone with a degree in broadcast journalism, I fully understand the limitations of television, and my criticism of the narrative in the shows in which St. Clair appeared this year fell squarely on the fact that the narrative was missing important connecting details and let several threads drop entirely. St. Clair’s claim to be related to the Templars was asserted, for example, and then not a single word of support was provided. This isn’t a function of time but rather of slipshod writing.

Unfortunately, in his blog post St. Clair never actually makes the case that the Sinclair-St. Clair-De Santo Claro family is directly connected to the foundation of the Knights Templar. What he claims is that the family is connected back to the brothers Richard de Vilers and Hamo and William de St. Clair. The three donated land to Savigny Abbey around 1120, according to St. Clair, though this isn’t quite true, according to Sinclair sources. The donation occurred in 1135 and was confirmed in 1139 and again in 1143. St. Clair claims that the abbey was Cistercian and therefore must have been closely connected to the Templars. However, the abbey, now in ruins, was a Benedictine-derived independent Savigniac monastery until about 1148, when due to financial trouble the Congregation of Savigny merged with the Cistercians. The donation of land likely occurred because in 1119 Pope Celestine II placed the site under his personal protection and asked the nobles to support it—which didn’t work since, as noted, they went bankrupt and ended up merging with the Cistercians.

The long and short of it is that the donation of land in 1135 had nothing to do with the Cistercians or the Templars, so the fact that other families who were associated with the Templars also donated to the abbey, which had departed from Benedictine rule to form its own Savigniac order, implies nothing about a connection between the St. Clairs and the Templars. It only shows that noble families competed in public displays of charity and intermarried over the course of centuries. Unless one wishes to argue that these marriages were somehow dynastic alliances designed around a Templar conspiracy rather than the prosaic dynastic politics of European aristocracy, logic dictates that more evidence is needed to suggest anything more than the limited pool of available noble brides in High Middle Ages.  

To take a more familiar example: Louis XVI of France, a Bourbon, married Marie Antoinette, a Habsburg. Napoleon I of France married Marie Louise, also a Habsburg. Somehow this failed to make France into an eternal ally of Austria, and despite the Habsburg blood running through Bourbon and Bonaparte veins, this implicates neither Napoleon nor Louis in the trials and tribulations of the Habsburgs, nor French endorsement of the Habsburgs, their great rivals.

Therefore, Steve St. Clair needs to show more than just a genetic relationship to various medieval people; he needs to show that this involved an actual ideological or political relationship, and further that said relationship was tied to the Knights Templar, which the Sinclair family notably failed to join and just as notably testified against in the 1300s.

King Stephen of Scotland’s wife, Matilda of Boulogne, notably patronized both the Knights Templar and the Congregation of Savigny in the 1130s and 1140s, before the merger, and then the Cistercians afterward. But this was widely seen at the time as an effort by the queen to acknowledge the rise of new orders, as rivals to the long-established Benedictines, not as co-conspirators. The donations were entirely separate, and the Savigniac and Templar orders did not work together in those years. It was only after 1149, when Louis VII of France gave Savigny to the Templars at the behest of Bernard of Clairvaux that the Savigny Abbey has anything to do with the Templars—and that was fifteen years after the St. Clair family donation. They wouldn’t have had any idea that the Templars would come calling—unless you posit another conspiracy!

But Steve St. Clair tells us that “Savigny was an unusually important Cistercian Abbey.” Sure, just not at the time he wanted it to be. 
66 Comments
666
2/16/2015 07:27:50 am

One of the first things that a budding genealogist learns is to trust no one and no document; or, rather, to trust them with varying levels of skepticism, relying only upon well-verified documentation that, together with other proofs, establishes a pattern that can finally be accepted as "reasonably certain". For the common people - farmers, tradesmen, servants, slaves, anyone not wealthy or ennobled - it is difficult to prove lines older than about the year 1800, very difficult before the year 1700, and almost impossible prior to the year 1600 - the records simply do not exist. For minor nobility and the very wealthy, it is difficult to establish lines before the year 1300, very difficult before the year 1200, and virtually impossible before the year 1000. (R. Reginald, 1982)

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Uncle Ron
2/16/2015 07:42:03 am

"Napoleon I of France married Marie Louise, also a Habsburg. Somehow this failed to make France into an eternal ally of France . . ." ?

On the topic of how little time a one hour show has to make its point: these topics are so important from a historical perspective that if they could be demonstrated conclusively to be true it would be worth an entire season to cover any one of them.

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Jason Colavito link
2/16/2015 07:49:57 am

It's a typo. I corrected it to Austria. Thanks.

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spookyparadigm
2/16/2015 09:47:11 am

But that wouldn't provide a new sideshow exhibit each week.

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EP
2/16/2015 07:43:26 am

Scott Wolter's blog always has the best comments.

1) Steve St. Clair won't ever get arrested, no Sir!:

"The big thing in DNA testing now is Family Tree DNA’s Big Y test. It’s the last DNA SNP test I’ll ever have to take."

2) Guess who?:

"It's a real shame that the State of Maine doesn't have their precious runestones on display, which to me is a public crime of sorts. I wasted a trip there a few years ago, when I drove up from Boston all for nothing. They said they didn't have room, but at the time they had a very large stone on display taking up a lot of room, and that stone on display was much more of a mystery than the runestones. Clearly, academic bias is tripping up truthful history in Maine. What a shame."

3) H2, hitting that demographic sweet spot hard:

"One little note to Scott: my son (he's 10, has Autism and home schooled) loves your show. It has lit a spark in him and he is now ravenous about history where before, he was just mildly interested. He now says he wants to be a, "Historical Detective." Thanks for inspiring him!"

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Only Me
2/16/2015 11:36:40 am

That last comment gave me the sad face. Using programs like AU for educational purposes is incomprehensible.

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Rick
2/16/2015 11:52:44 am

I find AU is just as credible as the chain letters going around on social media. I work with a guy who is pretty gullible and believes much of what is going around Facebook concerning politics. Of course he wants me to prove him wrong. I told him he has the burden of proof but he says the chain letter is the proof. Sigh. Anyway I finally told him that I don't believe anything on social media even if it turns out that I wrote it. It's like citing a bathroom wall as a source. I treat AU the same. I don't even believe that the name of the host is SW anymore. Think about it, how many lies can someone tell you until you stop believing anything they say?

Harry
2/18/2015 11:08:44 pm

Rick,

Websites like snopes.com, factcheck.org and politifact.org might help you to rebut some of the claims that guy has been accepting. Once you demonstrate that some of them are wrong, it will make it difficult for him to argue that they are proof. Who knows? It might even change his attitude toward them.

mr. j
2/16/2015 04:38:43 pm

"One little note to Scott: my son (he's 10, has Autism and home schooled) loves your show. It has lit a spark in him and he is now ravenous about history where before, he was just mildly interested. He now says he wants to be a, "Historical Detective." Thanks for inspiring him!"

Wow, I feel bad for this kid.

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Tony
2/16/2015 08:35:12 am

"Speaking of which, Scott Wolter turned his blog over to his friend Steve St. Clair on Saturday so St. Clair could discuss DNA results that he believes prove that he is descended from people who were married to people who founded the Knights Templar. "

Isn't that just like folks who believe they're the reincarnation of Cleopatra -- it''s always Cleo or another royal personage, never her handmaiden or furniture polisher. What would be wrong about being descended from people who were married to people who cleaned out the Knights Templars stables? Absolutely nothing, of course, but I sense woo class snobbery at work here.

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666
2/16/2015 08:44:26 am

There's no significance in being a descendant of a Templar family. The actual Knights themselves were warrior-monks who adhered to a vow of chastity, meaning they had no offspring.

Steve St Clair and co are silent about this.

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EP
2/16/2015 09:00:35 am

And, as we all know, people never have children before taking vows of chastity, nor do they ever break such vows.

LOL

666
2/16/2015 09:03:23 am

Hugues de Payen was married before he was a Templar, and renounced this life when he became a Templar.

Thierry Leroy, Hugues de Payns, chevalier champenois, fondateur de l'Ordre des Templier, Troyes: Maison Boulanger, 1997

Tony
2/16/2015 09:04:47 am

A vow of chastity? Where's the fun in that?

666
2/16/2015 09:07:42 am

If Steve St Clair *is" a descendant, he's descended from illegitimate issue of a Knights Templar who broke his vow of chastity,

Now, that's really exciting.

Matt Mc
2/16/2015 09:15:33 am

St. Clair's own relatives say that he is not related to "Bloodline" Sinclairs.

666
2/16/2015 09:18:47 am

Yes, there's sectarianism amongst the Rosslyn believers.

EP
2/16/2015 09:36:54 am

666, in your rush to quote other people in an attept to sound smart, did you even notice that you're contradicting yourself?

Joe Scales
2/16/2015 11:05:49 am

Then there's "Living in Sin Clair"...

EP
2/16/2015 11:30:53 am

Good one, Joe Scales! :D

Clint Knapp
2/16/2015 03:39:18 pm

"St. Clair's own relatives say that he is not related to "Bloodline" Sinclairs."

Maybe they just mean he's right about everything; but adopted!

666
2/16/2015 09:51:00 am

Confrere brothers within the Templars were allowed to be married, but - because they had married and had children - were not allowed to live in the same House as the full-knight brothers who had pledged chastity,

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EP
2/16/2015 09:53:49 am

So... Your point is what, again? (Aside from apparently failing to understand how human reproduction works.)

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spookyparadigm
2/16/2015 09:51:37 am

That "ratings" factoid is very interesting, if representative. That it is NatGeo only makes me wonder if it is some kind of mechanical anomaly.

But that said, look at these sorts of shows when posted on youtube. They rack up significant numbers. That's why I find the ratings interesting. They're surprising, but not entirely.

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Rick
2/16/2015 11:16:32 am

"Ah, you have to love those hard line academics who would rather hold on to flawed history that makes them sleep all cozy at might rather than be true academics and never stop looking. "

I like this one. It doesn't explain those of us who examine everything yet keep coming to the same conclusion though. Now if you want me to throw away years of research and go to Barnes and Noble to do my research im sure I might come to a different conclusion. Biggest new point of information I see from the new blog entry is "I'm trying my best to find a connection to something I can write about or lecture about to make money".

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Only Me
2/16/2015 11:52:10 am

Look at it from this perspective, Rick. Let's say, for the sake of argument, Steve proves his relationship to the Knights Templar. Will it:

1) Change our current understanding of history?
2) Provide solid evidence that Scott Wolter's buffoonery is true?
3) Establish the existence of a Holy Bloodline?

The answer is a resounding "No". Steve simply cannot comprehend that the status of his bloodline is important to no one else but himself; hence, the continuing need to scream "Look at me! Look at me! I'm somebody important!" at every opportunity.

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Rick
2/16/2015 12:03:37 pm

True. All true. I figure his main angle is a TV deal or book deal, or he wants to be one of those talking heads they call anytime any show mentions Templars. I think he has observed SW and Butler and realized that if he can establish any type of link to Templars then he will be on the short list of guests for every fringe show until he dies.

EP
2/16/2015 12:21:42 pm

Steve St. Clair's antics have ensured that every time I come across him on the net, I can't help thinking that Steve St. Clair has a really tiny penis.

Disclaimer: I have no idea what the dimensions of Steve St. Clair's penis really are. All I'm saying is that the way he acts makes it impossible for me not to think that it's really tiny.

666
2/16/2015 01:39:15 pm

Look at it from this perspective, the buffoonery of Steve St Clair is dependant on the historical Christ.

EP
2/16/2015 01:46:27 pm

Tell us more about how the Bible is a lie and Christianity is evil, 666. That's certainly a unique and original perspective you've not shared with us on countless previous occasions.

666
2/16/2015 01:54:40 pm

All you have to do is to quote the Gnostic Scriptures - not just at Steve St Clair - but also at the likes of Simcha Jacobovici, Bruce Burgess and other Jesus Bloodliners (eg "I have come to destroy the works of the female").

These quotes have been used time and time again about the Gnostics, who they continuously misrepresent and misinterpret (all beginning with Holy Blood, Holy Grail), and time and time again they refuse to take any notice.

666
2/16/2015 02:12:51 pm

There's not that much difference between Catholic Christianity (Faith) and Gnostic Christianity (Knowledge), since they both have a common source. A split developed sometime towards the late first century. Faith and Knowledge are fused together in the works of Paul.

In any case, the "pedigree" of the Jesus Bloodliners goes back to Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Every attempt they have made to latch onto any past text or folk tradition that arose from the dispute over relics is based upon misinterpretation and misrepresentation.

Only Me
2/16/2015 02:48:31 pm

"Look at it from this perspective, the buffoonery of Steve St Clair is dependant on the historical Christ."

Yes and no. The Knights Templar were always a separate element to the story that, in my opinion, were purposely enfolded into the Bloodline nonsense to give some historical basis, since even now, the historicity of Jesus is debated. Even if he can be established as a real historical figure, that doesn't automatically bestow credibility to, or provide evidence of, a Holy Bloodline composed of his descendants.

You're also not taking into account the influence of Laurence Gardener's "Bloodline of the Holy Grail", the source of descendance claims by the likes of Kathleen McGowan Coppens and Suzanne Olsson. Honestly, I've often wondered how much influence Gardener's work has had on both Scott and Steve.

EP
2/16/2015 03:00:57 pm

You mean "Gardner", right, Only Me?

Only Me
2/16/2015 03:07:39 pm

Whoops! Extra "e" is extra. :)

EP
2/16/2015 03:15:53 pm

Fun Fact: Laurence Gardner literally thinks that The Lord of the Rings is nonfiction.

V
2/16/2015 04:17:00 pm

Hey, Barnes and Noble is not a bad place to do research. You just have to know how to evaluate your sources--the same as you do at an academic library and the Library of Congress. I worked at an academic library for a while in college. Their source materials weren't that much more reliable than the B&N down the street.

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EP
2/16/2015 05:56:40 pm

You must have had a great Barnes and Noble there. Or gone to a shitty college :P

Matt Mc
2/17/2015 02:24:22 am

Living in DC and having to have gone to the National Archives and Library of Congress for research many a time (now given I was looking for archival video material), I can honestly say that there is no comparison between them and Barnes and Nobles. Some Colleges like Johns Hopkins and U of Maryland have excellent libraries but they are strong on certain subjects (John Hopkins for example has a excellent medical library, American University has a excellent Political Sciences library, U of M has a great engineering and physics library ect..) The Library of Congress and National Archives has great libraries on all those subjects, it is a lot harder to find things at the Library of Congress and Archives and sometimes it takes days for something you requested to be delivered and you have to stay on premises and depending what you are doing schedule appointments but like I said there is absolutely no comparison between Library of Congress/National Archives and a book store or even a college library.

tm
2/16/2015 03:43:35 pm

Mr. St. Clair brags that it took him 16 months to research and write a 6,000 word blog post. Sigh . . .

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V
2/16/2015 04:22:28 pm

...did he even go to college? Because, like, my Freshie English class required us to research and produce 5,000 word research papers EVERY WEEK, and some of my teacher education classes wanted them every couple of DAYS.

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Joe Scales
2/17/2015 01:52:56 am

Well, just like celebrity deaths, buffoonery on Wolter's blog comes in threes. Butler is now a guest blogger, aimlessly rambling upon his affinity for sheep.

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EP
2/17/2015 03:56:44 am

I don't want to write a lengthy refutation, since Jason might want to do it himself, but Butler's understanding of history is nonexistent.

He seems to think that European kings got *weaker* with the Renaissance and the decline of Medieval feudalism. In reality, the opposite is the case.

He also seems to be completely unaware of the workings of Medieval trade and economy generally and sounds oblivious of the role of external factors, sich as the fall of Constantinople, in the rise of learning.

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CHV
2/17/2015 10:14:09 am

Even if Steve were directly related to the Templars in some way, I could not care less. I'm related to to US presidents on my mother's side. That and a nickel leaves me with a nickel at the proverbial end of the day. As for any claims by Steve that he may be a descendent of Jesus, I consider that to be unprovable without a DNA sample from the father in question.

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Joe Scales
2/17/2015 10:55:17 am

Well, with any long lineage, the affects of inbreeding are bound to become apparent.

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EP
2/18/2015 03:31:28 am

Only if you inbreed :P

Dan
2/18/2015 02:35:25 am

The most amazing thing about this topic thus far is that Steve hasn't come by to troll.

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EP
2/18/2015 03:31:05 am

I wonder if that is because he's under or is trying to get a contract... It would sure suck if someone were to remind the world of his retarded behavior on this blog in the past... ;)

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Matt Mc
2/19/2015 12:11:51 am

Steve and Rev have been noticeably absent. I think it is another sign that AU is over. They no longer feel the need to protect the honor of their friend as he slides back into obscurity

Sinclair
2/19/2015 12:18:05 pm

WOW how many times do I have to post to this site stating that StClair is in no way connected to the Sinclair family. He has hijacked the family lol, He's a crank a Charlaton .His followers are leaving him in droves as he makes a bigger ass of himself every day The jig is up StClair now bugger off

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Only Me
2/19/2015 12:57:10 pm

"His followers are leaving him in droves"

What do you mean? Can you explain it for the rest of us?

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EP
2/19/2015 01:43:51 pm

Steve St. Clair had followers?!?! :O

RTS true caithneser
2/19/2015 04:45:08 pm

Steve st Clair is not related to anyone from Caithness who has the name Sinclair. Don't waste your time with him.

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Another true Caithneser
2/19/2015 05:08:14 pm

Steve St Clair started his own St Clair/Sinclair site to prove his great lineage to the Earls of Caithness & Knights Templar & is the self proclaimed DNA expert on his site, but DNA science through the years has become more sophisticated thereby ruling out Steve's Sinclair connection. StClair is now attempting to change history with his "research" that moves Sinclair family out of Caithness into England to match his own DNA.

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Gary Gianotti
2/21/2015 02:11:16 pm

Wanted all of you to know this one! Some months ago I sent Scott Wolter and Image from orkney Scotland! The ancient dig site that was the dated site of being 1500 years older than the Giza Pyramids!

The University of orkney on the dig pulled up ancient stones and one was found to be a Reveresed HOOKED X! Anyone want to see the image? Its 1500 years older than Scotts fantasy story of the symbol being the symbol of the Holy Family as Scott preaches!

This is the site that was on Nat-Geo last year! They said nothing to Scott and Scott refused to ever say anything about what i found! This stone proves Scotts work is WRONG!

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Sinclair
2/21/2015 03:56:59 pm

Nice work Gary,I saw a photo of it !

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Gary Gianotti
2/22/2015 02:32:27 am

Hold on, I need to make a correction! The Hooked X I found from the Orkney dig is ancient, Scott's hooked X is the reverse hooked X. By the way, new evidence is showing the Scottish Jacobites Planted the Kenssington Runestone. Lord Douglas Named the county where the stone was found after himself! The Scottish had manipulated the stone as a land claim! They were the Hudson Bay Company and the Stuarts, Douglas lines were officers of the company! Lord Douglas was the Governor of Nova Scotia and the St. Clair/Acheson Lord of Gosford was "A" baron of Nova Scotia that covered the Oak Island territory! How did Scott and his experts miss those facts that the direct families he preaches about, controlled Oak Island and Canada in the 17th and 18th Century! Why, did they not catch on these fact? Because they are not real researchers and they do not do their home work! They appear to be a smoke screen with the History Channel giving disinformation! If you all remember Scott was hired to work at the Pentagon! He appears he was indoctrinated by the Government who are associated to the Media(A&E) who decive society! Either that last statement is 100% true or he really does not know what he is talking about and pulled the wool over his Media Masters own Eyes! Now You have Steve St. Clair on his show, giving 100% BS about the families of the Sinclairs, then he is in Portugal! Why would the Catholic church allow them to film in that church! Especially when Scott told me on the phone, they want to see the Church GO DOWN for their lies! Well I did not like that and I think if the church knew what he told me, they would never have been allowed them to film at that church! How odd, the church allowed them to film and their work is trying to do damage the church history(regardless-No Church Is perfect)! Was the church aware of what they were doing? Did the church not have an English speaking representative, who understood what they were doing or that their goal is to break bridges, not build bridges!

In addition to Abe Lincoln's close friend...
2/22/2015 03:30:13 am

The Scottish chronicle or, a complete history and description of Scotland ...
By Raphael Holinshed in 1805 talks of an Earl of Douglass, too... from

the 1430s. Clearly DOUGLAS is a name connected with the early

years of the British presence in CANADA! Scots emigrated there,

too... before and after Culloden! --- Gary G, is the X actually Viking?

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Gary Gianotti
2/22/2015 05:29:16 am

Is the X Viking? If the scientist who unearthed this stone are correct on the dates. This Predates the Vikings, back to the ancient lost tribes or the Scythians that these families mention in the Declaration of Arbroath. These are a branch of people who became the Vikings.

May I add this! Last fall I went to Newport Rhode Island and was invited to study the tower, inside the gate! Scott Wolters pals were there, Mr. Brodie and his other friend a Scottish Rite Mason, who is on that Giants show! They did damge to the carvings I found in the attempt to take casts when I found the Arabic numbers 1325/8 in 5 locations. Are these dates? The trip meeting these people and the history guy who has the Newport Tower Museum. Lets say I was disgusted being around them! Yes I found many symbols and carvings they overlooked being the experts they claim to be! Then two weeks later I went back again and found many more ancient symbols they and I over looked again! Two locations produced more arabic numbers, 1208 an this was very large in size, high up! The "0" had one of these hooked X's like orkney! These were found in notched stones! There was another small one found with Ancient saxon Rune writing and also another hidden set of numbers with another double XX and the ancient Sun Cross in a circle! Point is that Mr. Brodie and Scott refused to EVER Mention that in two trips, I discovered two to three dozens symbols they could not find!

Could these symbols have been placed there in the 1600's sure! Could this be evidence of being dates to when they went there and they were placed as a land claim in the 16th-18th century, sure! The X I found on the Orkney stone, would have been known by the Vikings. Note that when the Sinclairs were given the titles to Orkney, they were told by the King of Norway not to dig for building. Guess they did not listem maybe! The one thing I will say about the Newport Experience, Scott Wolter did not go there and study anything! Look what I found in two hours, over looked by many people and Scott knew this and REFUSED to allow it to be known! His girl friend Brodie, tried to slamm me on his blog! When I called him, I gave it to him! What you have is people thinking they can control information of lies that does not better society today or in the future! Sorry for such a long story, but the Vikings would have known this art symbol and there are many gold Scythian relics with many symbols on them! Let me find you a hooked X on one! Scott needs to call his Hooked X, the reverse X, because this one predates his Hooked X fantasy bloodline history! Bloodline, he and Steve never mention how many of these direct families were Bishops in the church, real holy blood to Columba! DOCUMENTED

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Gary Gianotti
2/22/2015 06:11:37 am

Im going to get the source information and post it that says this Hooked X stone was found at the level where they tested for dates!

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"X"
2/22/2015 10:30:42 am

100,ooo thanx... this has the very Auld Scots being highly
literate, or maybe more literate than Caesar's Druids in Gaul
were, if that "X" was already almost an icon and part of an
alphabet. it predates Irish Ogham, even! again, 100,ooo thanx!

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Gary Gianotti
2/22/2015 11:07:17 am

There is more than one of thes X's there! My associate is going to contact the scholars there and see what they make of this and how old these are!

William M Smith
2/22/2015 12:28:05 pm

Gary - The hooked X located on the Kensington Rune stone 11 times and once on the Naragessit Bay stone near the Newport Tower are symbolic when stood alone and represent the letter A when used in Runic messages. If you notice the hook on the x is always on the right leg and points the same direction as the left leg. This symbol was first used in Portugal in 1250 to represent a means of measurement. This measurement technology came from Arabia in 1250 to Portugal and is called magnetic declination. It is the variance between true north and magnetic north at specific locations on earth. The Newport Tower was built in 1472. It is explained in chapter 3 of the 1494 treaty between Spain and Portugal. The Newport Tower was built by Portuguese and Danish fisherman to process cod fish for the European market. I have been to the tower many times and will be spending a week this summer with the historical society to explain some of the new facts which will be added to my paper in Migration and Diffusion. You can read this paper at (http://www.migration-diffusion.info/article.php?id=222)
I may be wrong on a few points, however the 5 Ws seem to be solid. For your information their is a triangle stone located at the top of the tower 17 degrees west of true north. This was the magnetic declination at this site in 1472. The 1472 also coinsides with the early mortar date in the tower mortar as well as the Kilm for making mortar in the base of the foundation of a home near the tower. If you are a serious researcher of the Tower you can contact me at the contacts listed at the end of my paper. PS: Scott Wolter, Dave Brody and Steve Sinclair have a different motive than I.
William

William

William M Smith
2/22/2015 12:53:38 pm

Gary - I forgot to address all the hooked X's you claim exist at the Newport Tower. You will find them at locations where the builder needed to place his lodestone compass to mark the proper location of tower components. (Windows, marker stone, yard arm beam,bearing pockets for trap door) When I visit the tower this June or July I plan on getting photos of the bottom sill in the south window.

Gene
4/13/2015 04:02:34 pm

I've been watching Ancient Aliens and America Unearthed for many years now (and cringing a lot while viewing, but in a fun way). I have just come across Jason's blogs, and I must say, there is an aura of "butthurtness" to them, as well as to his supporters' comments. I feel many of you are taking these forms of entertainment too seriously, as well as maybe yourselves? However, I suppose everyone needs a hobby.

I will also assume people like Scott Wolter and the big hair dude from Ancient Aliens provide a revenue stream for "skeptics" like Jason? (as well as the blog donation button lmao). Who is scamming who? :)

So some advice for Jason and his followers. You are fighting a losing battle if you think you're going to actually educate Americans on these topics, as these shows are forms of entertainment. I suggest not taking yourselves so seriously, it makes you look petty.

I agree that such shows contain little no factual information (kind of like CNN, MSNBC & Fox News), but that's kind of the point when sitting down to watch them, isn't it? (re-affirmation of views + feel good entertainment) I hope Jason isn't egotistical enough to think he's providing some kind of public service? Just out to make money from books, right? (Which is fine btw)

Anyways, continue the whine I guess, wouldn't be the internet without that!

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Steve StC
2/13/2016 09:53:14 pm

Actually @Gene, Jason does this to make money - both directly and indirectly. Directly: he occasionally asks his readers to chip in to keep this hate fest alive and to help him and the other person who pays part of his mortgage fix their furnace. Indirectly: he writes here to sell his "xenoarchaeology" books. The acolytes who chew up every crumb that falls from his keyboard are here to join in the drama.

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        • Fragments on Giants
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        • The Secret Doctrine >
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        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
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      • H. P. Lovecraft >
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