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Steven Greer Claims U.S. Intelligence Blackmailed Carl Sagan into Debunking UFOs

1/2/2018

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UFO disclosure advocate Dr. Steven Greer’s recent documentary Unacknowledged is now on Netflix. In the documentary, Greer adopts the claims put forward by Donald Zygutis in 2016 that Carl Sagan was on the receiving end of a government effort to force him to become a debunker: “After he was threatened by the intelligence community, and blackmailed, he then began to debunk the issue.” It seems fairly clear that the claim was lifted from Zygutis, but it’s interesting to see the way a bad idea with zero evidence in its favor.
​If anything, Sagan was actually the target of Soviet efforts to convince him to promote UFO and ancient astronaut issues. While in the 1950s, the Soviets largely dismissed UFOs as a product of American “war psychosis,” these subjects were a known subject of Soviet propaganda in the 1960s (see, for example, articles the Soviets wrote about ancient astronauts in magazines for Western consumption, and the sheer volume of material in early ancient astronaut books attributed to Soviet sources), and Sagan himself even seemed to recognize that the Soviet government had something going on behind the scenes. The Soviets, for example, facilitated his partnership with Iosif Shklovskii, whose ancient astronaut speculations Sagan added to and enhanced for his English edition of Shklovskii’s book Intelligent Life in the Universe.
 
That book came out in 1966. The next year, Robert Low, the project coordinator for the University of Colorado’s Air Force-sponsored study of UFOs, better known as the Condon Commission, outlined the Russian involvement in a letter of December 8, 1967 to J. Thomas Ratchford, then working for the Air Force Office of Scientific Research:
When you get a chance, I would appreciate it if you would let Art Lundahl know that I have been in contact with Carl Sagan about the establishment of the UFO commission in the USSR. While Sagan is very interested in the UFO problem and in what we’re doing and also in the recent developments in Russia, he felt reluctant to contact Shklovskii. His reasoning is that, since the Soviet investigation is being conducted by the military, it would be difficult for Shklovskii to say anything whatever about it without compromising himself. Hence, Sagan felt nervous about even asking him to comment on the matter.
The American effort to reach out to the Soviets in investigating UFOs—which, for the Condon Committee included ancient astronauts—coincided with the Soviet Union’s big push to deliver ancient astronaut propaganda to the West. Sputnik, the USSR’s magazine for Western readers, ran articles about ancient astronauts that very same year, and provided them to UFO Contact magazine for American publication.
 
That’s not to say that the American intelligence services weren’t involved in monitoring Sagan. There is a small grain of truth to the story, according to no less an authority than Sagan himself.
 
In a famous incident that occurred in 1961, Air Force Intelligence became concerned about Sagan’s close ties to Soviet scientists and sent an agent, whom Sagan called “Igor Rogovin,” who was under cover with the Library of Congress, to spy on him when he met in Los Angeles with Alexander Alexandrovich Imshenetsky, who was then studying exobiology—potential space microbes. The Air Force arranged the meeting and evidently had taken an interest in Soviet efforts to find extraterrestrial life.
 
Rogovin—a fake name—pretended to be the Soviets’ translator, even though the Soviets were fluent in English, and inserted himself into every conversation, dominating the dialogue. When the Soviets went to use the restroom at the airport, Rogovin asked Sagan to provide him with intelligence, mistaking Sagan for a fellow spy. Sagan was suspicious. He mistook Rogovin for a CIA agent and called the CIA’s San Francisco office, and the agency briefly mistook him for a Soviet spy in a comedy of errors, and the Air Force dispatched Rogovin again in 1963 to spy on Sagan and Imshenetsky at a Committee on Space Research meeting in Florence, this time with his face masked behind a beard.
 
Sagan himself told the story in 1973 in Carl Sagan’s Cosmic Connection, but what he did not explore in significant detail was that both the American government and the Soviet government were using UFOs and ancient astronauts as another playing field in the Cold War, and Sagan expressed his shock and outrage that the American spy agencies attempted to manipulate young scientists into engaging in spy games to gain insight into Soviet space plans, or to prevent Americans from sharing their own information with the Soviets. “That American intelligence agencies would attempt to use comparatively innocent young scientists (I was twenty-seven and politically unsophisticated) to carry out such a purpose is appalling,” he wrote. “At least it appalls me.”
 
This was not the last time that Sagan got caught up in intelligence matters. Sergei Tretyakov, a Soviet spy, claimed that around 1980, the KGB had used the connections between Sagan and Russia to feed Sagan false information about nuclear winter as part of a plot to exaggerate the effect of nuclear war to deter American aggression. Sagan was a leading anti-nuclear advocate at the time, but so far as I know, no one has confirmed Tretyakov’s allegations, made in a 2008 book, and there are many who consider it either an exaggeration, a lie, or CIA disinformation.
 
From his first meeting with a Soviet scientist to his partnership with Shklovskii and his attendance at Soviet-sponsored extraterrestrial life conferences, Sagan’s close working relationship with the Soviets kept him in the sights of America’s many intelligence services. It was this grain of truth that allowed the conspiracy that the U.S. government “turned” Sagan from believer to debunker to blossom.
39 Comments
Machala
1/2/2018 11:04:23 am

In the ever-present paranoia that was the Cold War era, it doesn't come as any surprise that Sagan would have unwittingly got caught up in the Spy vrs. Spy vrs. Spy UFO intelligence games between Russia and the U.S.<P>
What a counterintelligence/propaganda coup it would have been to convince the Pentagon, politicians, and public, that the Russian superiority in the space race, wasn't because they had better ex-Nazi scientists than we did, but because they'd somehow tapped into "ancient alien" knowledge !
I think Sagan truly believed in the definite possibility of live on other planets in the universe but came to reject all the ancient alien idiocy that was coming into vogue at the time.
There's a big difference between acknowledging the existence of UFO's ( Unidentified Flying Objects) and believing in Alien Spaceships landings and Ancient Aliens populating the earth..

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Americanegro
1/2/2018 02:06:32 pm

"There's a big difference between acknowledging the existence of UFO's ( Unidentified Flying Objects) and believing in Alien Spaceships landings and Ancient Aliens populating the earth."

Tru dat.

Is Doctor Greer still keeping it tight?

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THE REAL DR GREER
1/3/2018 06:13:38 am

I am indeed 'keeping it tight'.
& am keeping a very close eye on what is being said here on this joke of a site.
BE WARNED!

Only Me
1/2/2018 01:13:35 pm

Here's what I find irritating about the claim being made: Sagan came to the conclusion there was something valid about the extraterrestrial claims of his day ON HIS OWN. Later in life, Sagan reversed his position, again, ON HIS OWN. Zygutis and his ilk can't accept that, so they create conspiracy theories about government coercion.

Why is it important to Zygutis and his ilk that Sagan was unable to change his mind of his own accord? It destroys their narrative and, apparently, apostasy is NOT allowed.

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Shane Sullivan
1/2/2018 01:56:39 pm

In fairness, Only Me, I've never changed my mind about anything unless the government told me to.

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Kal
1/2/2018 04:26:45 pm

That's what they want you to think. Ha. No, just kidding. Sagan was not some mysterious spectral guru with cosmic knowledge. He was a scientist who happened to fancy fantasy also. This does not mean he has been force fed stories and changed his mind accordingly. Hive these guys read Sagan's books? They lean more toward a love of scifi and aliens than to some conspiracy by then G men forcing him to recant some of his stuff. If there was one, how come he made a story about 'Contact', among others, 'the series Cosmos', about what it would be like if aliens actually contacted us?

"It would be superb arrogance to consider that Earth and humankind is the center of the vast cosmos, given the millions upon millions of stars, planets, solar systems, and galaxies out there. We are but a speck of stardust in a cosmic maelstrom. We are stardust, and we will return to that. To think we are the only ones out there, is ridiculous." 'Contact' paraphrased from Carl Sagan,

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DPBROKAW
1/3/2018 02:55:05 am

Yes, thank you! All things considered, time and space make for some pretty big hurdles to overcome in the vastness of the cosmos and Carl Sagan knew that. Throw in our infinitely small plant/solar system into this vast universe and it is extremely unlikely that intelligent life could find us, that is unless they were looking for "us" in particular. And even then what are the odds that anyone out there could find us? It would probably be like trying to identify one atom out of hundreds of billions of atoms in a complex molecule!

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Donald Zygutis link
1/2/2018 04:31:18 pm

Jason: I need to expose the untruth you are spreading that Carl Sagan changed his mind about ancient aliens. In one of the last books he wrote, The Demon-Haunted World, published in 1995, just a year before his death, he wrote:

"In the early 1960s, I urged that we be attentive to the possibility of finding artifacts of ancient civilizations - either those indigenous to a given world, or those constructed by visitors from elsewhere. I didn't imagine that this would be easy or probable, and I certainly did not suggest that, on so important a matter, anything short of ironclad evidence would be worth considering."

This is NOT a denial! It is an affirmation that Sagan, a year before his death, considered the possibility of alien visits to Earth to be an important matter, and that ironclad evidence, if it is found, would be worth considering.

Jason, I expect a correction and an apology. Thank you.

I expect an apology

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Americanegro
1/2/2018 04:49:03 pm

So Sagan said we should do archaeology and consider "ironclad evidence". When you have ironclad evidence we can consider it under Sagan's Law.

I don't get the apology math. I seen vatos like you before, ese.

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Jason Colavito link
1/2/2018 07:17:34 pm

What, exactly, is there to apologize for? You seem to have trouble with shades of gray and gradations of possibility. Sagan believed that it was unlikely that aliens visited the ancient Earth and influenced culture, but we should keep our eyes out for evidence just in case. This is hardly different from my own frequent refrain that ancient astronauts are possible, but that no one has provided any evidence in support of their existence. But you also know darned well that the sentence you excerpt from Sagan comes in the middle of a page about the human tendency to overlook or dismiss rational explanations, and the sentence itself is listed among the "mistakes" of famous scientists--in this case, he massages the truth a bit to make it sound like he was always more skeptical of ancient astronauts than he was early on.

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Donald Zygutis link
1/2/2018 07:53:37 pm

Jason: Your response was apology enough, Thank you. I'm glad that you agree that it is possible that Earth has been visited by extraterrestrials, and that we should keep an eye out for evidence, just in case. You are wrong, however, in stating that no one has provided any hard evidence. The Newton Bible Code is empirical evidence waiting to be forensically tested by cryptanalysis. Furthermore, it conforms to Sagan's model of ancient alienism. You seem to agree with me that my claim cannot be debunked to a scientific certainty through the humanities, as you have so admirably tried to do.

On a separate note, please inform your readers that I am not of the "ilk" of the nitwit ancient alien crowd featured on The History Channel. Those people hate my guts for moving ancient alienism over to a mainstream inquiry that follows the rules of science - something you believe in. I believe in critical thought, the scientific method, and independent and transparent testing of direct evidence of sensational claims.

Thanks for allowing me to correct the record.

All the best,

Don

Jim
1/2/2018 11:31:22 pm

Hi Don,, I was wondering if you could explain to me why all pseudo nutbars cannot figure out what the word "forensic" means ?
Perhaps you should look it up ? Although it does look kind of scientific-y, your misuse of the English language makes you look as dumb as Pulitzer.

Joe Scales
1/3/2018 01:13:30 pm

"The Newton Bible Code is empirical evidence waiting to be forensically tested by cryptanalysis."

Translation: Get ready for more non sequitur from poorly educated, non-credentialed, confirmation-biased denizens of the Fringe, making up shit to sell books.

Americanegro
1/3/2018 01:59:56 pm

"The Newton Bible Code is empirical evidence waiting to be forensically tested by cryptanalysis."

Filed under S for "So Fucking What?" If I were Nick Redfern I would make up a story about fighting you, but I'm not a pussy.

You seem to be under the delusion that something waiting to be tested is already proof.

DPBROKAW
1/3/2018 03:07:04 am

There is no ironclad evidence of ancient aliens. What is passed as evidence is NOT. Sagan was emphasizing this in his book, he was open to the idea if evidence came to light. If anything he was trying to let people know that HE never claimed that aliens had been here! He was trying to let people know that he believed it was possible, but that no proof had ever arisen to support such a claim, and that people had taken his statements that he (Carl) had made as being "mainstream scientist" supporting the "Ancient Alien Theory". People who decry the "mainstream" today sure were happy to have Carls "mainstream support" (even though it was not).

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DPBROKAW
1/3/2018 03:13:05 am

JIM - Nobody can look dumber than Pulitzer!

Donald Zygutis link
1/3/2018 12:19:04 am

Jason - I think I'll pass on Jim's comment as not worth the effort. I am, however, mad as hell at you for linking my research in with the Greer documentary. I wasted 2 hours watching what is a crock of s - - - when I could have been doing something more constructive, like trimming my toenails. Your attempt to discredit my research by associating it with Jim's "pseudo nutbars" is unbecoming of a man who claims to adhere to the lofty ideals of an honest skeptic. You're better than that!

All the best,

Don

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Jim
1/3/2018 12:41:51 am

Glad to be of service Don. Hopefully in the future, as a writer, you will be more careful in your choice of words.

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DPBROKAW
1/3/2018 03:36:13 am

You know Mr Zygutis that the last man to claim to have 100% proof, verified, non-deniable facts to support his claim to this community was J Hutton Pulitzer. I don't know if you know who he is, but he pretty much a disaster of an individual. In the end he was thoroughly "proven wrong". I won't go into the details (they are many), but this challenge of yours to disprove the Newton Bible Code as you call it probably won't end well for you. Not here.


Jason Colavito link
1/3/2018 05:05:01 am

I didn't link your ideas to Greer, Don. Greer did that by using your main idea as a point in his documentary. Get made a Greer for appropriating your claim, not me for reporting it.

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Graham
1/3/2018 04:14:08 am

If you want to know where Greer, Zygutis et.al. got their ideas from, watch the last episode of the 1990s TV series 'Dark Skies' which has a scene where an actor (badly) portraying Sagan agrees to act as a stooge for an agency covering up alien visitation.

That's right, they got it from a scriptwriter...

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NICK REDFERN
1/3/2018 06:06:05 am

Hey, say that again and I'll knock you out with one punch,coz I am tough.

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Greven Coke Head Steer link
1/3/2018 06:04:29 am

How dare you doubt the great Dr Greer!
You know very well his 'high level' contacts have given him the 'inside track' info!
Didn't you see that alien corpse fetus thing?
I will be very disappointed if you haven't 'invested' in his secret alien free energy projects ye of little faith?
Have you not trembled at the sight of his manly muscles?
Shame on you Jason... tut tut
Mothra will get you!
Now shhh whilst I 'vector in' these entities at Joshua tree.
Sniff. Snort. Sniff................................ Phew!

Ps: DONALD ZYGUTIS. you are talking utter bollocks again.

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RICHARD. C. HOAGLAND
1/3/2018 06:09:17 am

I knew Sagan really well.. Blah Blah Blah

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1/3/2018 03:42:25 pm

Jason - Those who follow your blog appear to be the kind who shoot first and ask questions later. If they actually read my statements they would realize that I am on your side and their side - not on the side of pseudoscience and irrationalism. I appreciate their passion for truth and their determination to face down bullshit - but in attacking me they are barking up the wrong tree.

Don

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Jim
1/3/2018 05:59:58 pm

Don,,,,," The skeptics are wrong. The Smoking Gun is real, it has been found, and is now ready to be tested at the highest levels. What many have said would be the greatest scientific discovery in human history if it ever happened is now an accomplished fact."

" The historical search for smoking gun evidence that scientifically confirms extraterrestrial existence is over."

https://www.smokinggunchallenge.com/

Bollocks, you are saying you have absolute proof of aliens, but the only thing missing is the absolute proof ??

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1/3/2018 07:21:38 pm

Dear Brother Donald Zygutis,

As a fellow believer in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I am most grateful for your appearance here on Jason’s blog. The Lord has laid it on my heart to lurk here in order to find an opportunity to witness the Gospel to Jason to save his suffering and alienated soul, but I have prayed and prayed for guidance because I am simply not worthy to undertake such a spiritual mission. Yet here I am. I now realize that Lord has sent you, Brother Donald, to help me find the way to witness Jason to the Truth that will set him free from the bondage of secular godless skepticism.

I realize now that it is your healthy form of Christ-filled skepticism that will show the way to his salvation, and suddenly I realize my small contribution to the mission. Since I have lurked at Jason’s blog for so long, I know may way around the nooks and crannies of his prolific webpages and conclude, Brother Donald, that for you to continue along this path of challenging Jason about your Carl Sagan conspiracy is a dead end. Far more fruitful, I believe, would be to approach Jason and his readers more discreetly with the true testimony of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

May I admonish you slightly, Brother Donald, to remind you of the mission statement of your alma mater Corban University in Salem, Oregon? I quote it here to inspire you to gird your loins and don the breastplate of righteousness for battle with the principalities and powers enslaving Jason and his minions.

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“Corban [University] is a gospel-driven community of scholars and leaders who seek to bring a biblical perspective to all areas of study and practice. We offer deep scriptural rooting to students while training them for any of a wide variety of professions—from education to business and from counseling to political science. We believe the best way to make a difference in the world is to send biblically and theologically grounded graduates into a wide variety of fields.”

So please, Brother Donald, you need to find a way to show Jason much more directly your biblical and theological grounding and therefore I suggest that you move on over to his recent blogpost about the claims of Brother L.A. Marzulli, whom I fear is somewhat confused about his Biblical eschatology, especially concerning the Rapture, and you, Brother Donald could not only straighten out Brother Marzulli on his doctrinal deficiencies, you could also simultaneously witness the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ to Jason and his readers in the process.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/l-a-marzulli-promoting-documentary-claiming-ufo-disclosure-tied-to-christian-rapture

Perhaps that is my humble mission here, Brother Donald, and perhaps my mission is fulfilled. Like John the Baptist, I can say now about you: “I must decrease; but he must increase.”

I leave you with the gift of a limerick that I composed this morning. It is meant to be a guide for you in doing the Lord’s work here on Jason’s blog so that you may keep your eyes focused on his salvation and simultaneously seeing through the devil and his various guises and disguises.


LIMERICK FOR JASON’S SALVATION
*****************************
A skeptical blogger named Jason,
Debunks ancient alien civilization.
With his army of minions
Trolling pseudo opinions,
His blog is a favorite of Satan.
************************


Yours in Christ,

Brother Thomasius Mellett
Los Angeles, CA

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RobZ
1/4/2018 06:53:59 am

Hahaha, Hilarious!

And a badly composed limerick to top it all off!

Thanks for that! Made me laugh.

"A favourite of Satan..." hahaha who makes up these things?

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Tom mellett
1/4/2018 10:27:23 am

Thanks, RobZ! As for the source you ask about, in all modesty, I must confess: “The Devil made me do it!”

As for the limerick, a good punch line (almost) always redeems any deficiencies in the first 4 lines.

If you’ll forgive my “poetic license,” I must also confess that Jason’s blog may not be THE favorite blog of Satan, but the Russian Deep-State operative who hacked Satan’s computer did report that Jason’s blog was one of 13 in “His Nibs” file of Bookmark Favorites.

RiverM
1/4/2018 08:34:17 am

Even Satan knows that diddling children is not celibacy. His greatness won't allow such ilk into his club when they expire.

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Donald Zygutis link
1/4/2018 03:43:54 pm

Jason:

I think it's time for me to leave this train and move on. You occupy a distinct and, I must say, colorful niche on the skeptic landscape. You and your followers have made significant contributions to my goal of having the grain, wine, and oil sequences tested by cryptanalysis. These will be noted on my website. Thanks to you all.

The best,

Donald L. Zygutis

Americanegro
1/4/2018 04:40:27 pm

Where are you institutionalized?

Jim
1/4/2018 06:02:42 pm

Bread wine and oil ?

https://www.smokinggunchallenge.com/chapter-3

"At the second level of the Last Supper, the theme is not Christ’s Crucifixion, it’s about the code. Replacing the word “Christ” with “oil” creates the triadic sequence: bread, wine, and oil."

" but the grain, wine, and oil sequence in the Masonic Laying of the Cornerstone ceremony raises the possibility of there being an alternative path.

" Curiously, the Masonic sequence uses the word “corn” instead of “bread.” Corn, or grain to be exact, is what bread is made from. Grain and bread are two different words, but closely related because they are in the same genre."

And then, you go on to say all these words should be taken into your "code" from the Masonic use of corn. Grain, field, seed, harvest, land, fields, flour, field workers, tilled soil, food, dough, labor of hands,bread, and gardens.

Really ? you know corn is native to North America and was never referred to in the bible ? None of those words referred to in the bible relate to corn at all !

Joe Scales
1/4/2018 09:42:18 pm

What do you expect from a guy who got a degree from a college where the primary prerequisite for admission is believing that Jesus had magic powers...

&nbsp;
1/4/2018 04:57:11 pm

"my goal of having the grain, wine, and oil sequences tested by cryptanalysis."

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Tom mellett
1/4/2018 05:11:22 pm

Dear Brother Donald,

You may be interested to learn that when I subjected your name to the cryptanalysis of the Anagram Engine, that your name, Donald Zygutis, generated the following anagram:

DANG DITZY SOUL

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Tom mellett
1/4/2018 05:22:49 pm

Of course, it’s only fair that I subject Jason Colavito to the same cryptanalysis and this yielded two notable results, both attesting to Jason’s sunny disposition in 2 different aspects of his life.

The first speaks to Jason’s career path and what, shall I say, detritus, he attracts from the figures he writes about on the blog

JOVIAL SOOT CAN

The second speaks to his dietary habits and specific preference for Mexican food.

JOVIAL ON TACOS

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An Over-Educated Grunt
1/6/2018 11:38:13 am

Unsurprisingly, he also hates neckerchiefs.

NO JOVIAL ASCOT

Jamie Eckles link
1/7/2018 03:15:38 pm

I remember back in the 90s when I could still stand to listen to Art Bell's show Greer came on to explain that for a substantial sum he could teach people to go out into the Nevada desert and teach anyone how to "vector in UFOs with a flashlight". Must not have been a huge money maker for him though. I think he was charging $600 for the lessons.

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