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Steven Greer Implies Defense Department Bribed Garry Nolan to Falsify Atacama "Alien" Report with $3.2 Million Grant

12/18/2019

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In a new YouTube video made up of clips of a speech given by ufologist Steven Greer and outtakes from his various media products, Greer makes a number of extreme claims about the miscarried human fetus known in UFO circles as the “Atacama Humanoid” and falsely believed to be an alien. These include allegations that the dead fetus is part of a race of alien-like small creatures that currently live in Chile and that a vast conspiracy has pressured credulous scientist Dr. Garry P. Nolan into falsifying his investigation into the body, which concluded that it was human. Greer has attacked Nolan and his research into the Atacama fetus for years now, often using similar or more extreme language.
In the video, Greer is heard alleging that the native people of Chile believe in a race of miniature creatures, whom he claims they call “Gentiles,” reinforcing an old colonialist trope that Native Americans are secretly the Lost Tribes of Israel.
 
In alleging that the body could not be kept alive under any known medical procedure (to which: no fooling; it’s dead), Greer also makes the odd claim that Chile “may” have no neonatal intensive care unit. I don’t know what he has against Chile, but the country does have actual hospitals and doctors and everything. I checked, and there are indeed NICUs in Chile, and not only that, they have been written about in nursing journals, in both English and Spanish.
 
Greer complains that in 2013 Nolan told Greer that he thought the body could not represent a single mutation, but shortly after receiving a $3.2 million grant from the U.S. Department of Defense to map ovarian cancer cell lineages, he changed his tune and stopped advocating for a mysterious origin of the Atacama fetus. “By the time he began to start running the genetic tests and workups, it seems that he had been told by someone to say it was a deformed human,” Greer claims.
 
This implication of conspiracy doesn’t match the actual records of events. Nolan’s team made a number of eyebrow-raising assertions in their analysis of the Atacama fetus, and their cavalier attitude toward the ethics of testing presumed human remains received serious criticism from other experts in the field. Had the Defense Department wanted to bury the results, surely Nolan would have avoided making controversial claims that cast doubt on his understanding of his own subject matter.
 
Greer went on to allege that there is an “orchestration” releasing a mixture of true and false information about the fetus as part of a series of “scams” designed to deceive the public. “It’s very worrisome,” Greer said.
 
Why might the government want to “scam” the public? Greer says it is a conspiracy by oil companies who feared that crashed flying saucers might produce more efficient engines that would spell “the end of oil” and force lazy billionaires to innovate or face still competition from the Third World. Apparently, Greer’s belief is that technological inefficiency is necessary to maintain capitalist kleptocracy, so therefore superior technologies must be suppressed. I can’t help but feel that this is a paranoid reflection of actual U.S. government policies, which work to privilege some industries over others and to subsidize unprofitable industries for political reasons. As Greer’s tirade descends into a Marxist critique of late capitalism, it’s rather painful that Greer seems unable to fully embrace his leftist critique and instead channels what might otherwise have been activism for economic equality into a fetish for the trappings of state and capitalist power structures.
 
Near the end of the video, he speculates that UFO disclosure is a threat to the 1% because it “would change forever their grip on that power.” Are we really at such a point in society that economic inequality has to be understood as a conspiracy of, for, or against space aliens because a UFO invasion is more believable than even modest social and economic reforms? I am tempted to make a reference to Adrian Veidt’s Watchmen masterplan, but I fear it might give Greer ideas.
 
Anyway, it’s nice that ufologists aren’t bothering to hide their real concerns anymore, or to more or less openly concede that UFOs are simply window-dressing for political and social issues that they seem to feel unable to discuss directly.
71 Comments
AMHC
12/18/2019 10:06:59 am

You still make for good reading Jason after all these years. I appreciate you even though I'm unable to donate to your upkeep.

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Dr. Jeff
1/27/2020 01:51:16 pm

Well-crafted snark aside, Greer has this 100% correct and sober in his position here. Any well-informed deep dive into the surrounding evidence will show the frail, fantastical nature of the molecular biological claims made by the well-funded debunker squad to be bunk.

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Joe Scales
12/18/2019 11:05:22 am

And more evidence that this nonsense transcends political boundaries. Right/Left. Liberal/Conservative. They all eat this up, and why? Because your choice of political party has no relation to your intelligence. You're all equally stupid.

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TONY S.
12/19/2019 11:26:41 pm

I’ll agree with you there. Stupid isn’t restricted to any one segment of society.

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Kent
12/18/2019 01:52:51 pm

"Anyway, it’s nice that ufologists aren’t bothering to hide their real concerns anymore, or to more or less openly concede that UFOs are simply window-dressing for political and social issues that they seem to feel unable to discuss directly."

I see it slightly differently, not as feeling unable to discuss things, rather being unable to affect or control them. The same manque de puissance is at the root of Occupy Wall Street, the Pink Pussy Hat Protest, and Antifa. In the spirit of not taking sides, what idiot thought up the name "Proud Boys"? And yes, we can all agree the KKK is bad. As are the Black Hebrew Israelites. As are [fill in the blank].

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Anti-semitic aliens
12/18/2019 04:11:20 pm

You love anti-Semitic aliens, you Judas hater.

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Kent
12/18/2019 05:02:10 pm

Jesus without Judas would be like Gallant without Goofus. If by "anti-Semitic" you mean I hate Jews, well of course I hate Jews. What right-thinking person doesn't?

Minoans & Athenians
12/18/2019 10:54:06 pm

Minoans & Athenians RULE !!

Fall of Rome
12/18/2019 11:04:49 pm

It's all about who you are.

Books have been written by professors and lecturers that argue the beginning of Western Civilization began with the Fall of Rome. But you are allowed to think that Western Civilization began with the Missing Link. If you want. It's up to the individual. Mesopotamia, Egypt, Athens, Rome. These have also been proposed as candidates as the origins of Western Civilisation. But the pre-Christian stuff doesn't make sense because the burning of images to idols hasn't been practiced much since Clovis introduced Christianity into Europe.

I Remember
12/19/2019 12:55:43 am

"Books have been written by professors and lecturers that argue the beginning of Western Civilization began with the Fall of Rome."

So you can name a few?

1. ______
2. ______
3. ______
4. ______
5. ______

CALEB SEARCHER
12/19/2019 10:56:42 pm

Yes please do list them. I’d love to know who these authors are that completely ignore what the Near East, Greece and Rome gave to Western civilization.

Caleb Again
12/20/2019 03:06:35 am

Hey Caleb,

It matters not about Greece and Rome - you need to be reminded when Christianity took over that the pagan shrines were specifically replaced by chapels, churches and cathedrals. The pre-Christian history of the West is worthless,
It was all absorbed by Christianity. Asking to take Greece and Rome seriously is like asking to take horse and carriage seriously in the history of transport.

CALEB SEARCHER
12/20/2019 09:23:28 pm

Damn right it’s Caleb again.

I REMEMBER needs to show
12/19/2019 07:28:36 am

You name your books. You do that.
Let's analyse those books because so far you have remained silent.

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Obvious and the self evident
12/19/2019 07:36:01 am

The origin of the building of cathedrals and churches and the first existence of parishes. And the religious primate of every country was directly aligned to the relevant monarch, These things represent the basics that Western Civilization was based on the Bible. The Coronation Ceremony of monarchs was directly linked to the myth of Jacob's Pillar in the Old Testament.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
12/19/2019 08:20:06 am

Tom Becket and Tom More would like a word with you.

What ???
12/19/2019 12:43:47 pm

Is this the same Over Educated Grunt who believes Freemasons are no different to the Oddfellows, Elks and Rotary Club...

An Over-Educated Grunt
12/19/2019 01:46:17 pm

I have no idea how they behave toward other fraternal orders. I do however know the difference between "to" and "from."

I Remember
12/19/2019 05:00:54 pm

It's hard to call just one story from the Bible the stupidest, but Jacob's Pillar is definitely in the running.

"These things represent the basics that Western Civilization was based on the Bible."

WTF is that supposed to mean? It's not even a sentence in spite of having a period at the end.

I can see by the clock on the wall that it's time for you to change your name again.

Jacob's Pillar
12/20/2019 03:10:24 am

I remember can be forgotten

The Jewish Kings were anointed at their coronation ceremonies - the origin of the word "Messiah" - the myth of Jacob anointing his pillar was the primitive Old Testament myth that it was modelled on.

Reminding Grunt Again
12/20/2019 03:26:07 am

A book has not yet been written explaining how Throne and Altar was replaced by democracies in the West. The UK Monarchy is a Constitutional Monarchy whereby the Queen's Speech is written by the Prime Minister. And so on. Everything to do with the Monarchy in the UK like asking for the opening of Parliament is strictly theatre.

Over-Educated Grunt is unaware about how Freemasonry was important in that process. Over-Educated grunt mocks Hiram Abiff while showing the utmost respect towards the piffle and nonsense about the stories about Jesus Christ.

American Independence
12/20/2019 03:37:12 am

Witness American Independence and the overthrowing of George III of Britain and neglecting America to have a religious primate. That's because those in charge of the Revolution were either Freemasons (like George Washington) or if not Freemasons - at least were in sympathy with Freemasonry (Thomas Jefferson), Over Educated Grunt does not know the history of his own country. Only one exception existed in the history of American Independence that took the Bible and Christianity seriously. All other major players in the history of American Independence were followers of the Enlightenment and rejected the Bible and Christianity.

Beware of false historians like Catherine Millard and David Barton. And Over Educated Grunt.

Nearly Forgot
12/20/2019 03:49:26 am

Witness the pre-Christian Greco-Roman architecture in the American capital following Independence.

Jr. Time Lord
12/20/2019 07:41:41 am

"Over-Educated grunt mocks Hiram Abiff while showing the utmost respect towards the piffle and nonsense about the stories about Jesus Christ."

Hiram and Jesus are both the SUN. Quite literally the star we orbit around. Western Civilization is based upon ASTROLOGY. The building of Cathedrals has absolutely nothing to do with Catholic White Jesus. They are symbolic wombs with practical celestial tracking functions.

HAB & JC
12/20/2019 10:56:57 am

Logic represents mortality
Faith represents immortality

Got that, Sunbeam ?

I Remember
12/20/2019 01:31:38 pm

The Catherine Millard Guy said: "Over Educated Grunt does not know the history of his own country."

Of course CMG also said George III was overthrown, which he wasn't so help me out here: who is it who doesn't know history?

Time for someone to change their name again!

@JR. Time Lord
12/20/2019 01:37:53 pm

PLEASE
SHUT
UP
.

CMG Guy
12/20/2019 08:08:26 pm

The American War of Independence overthrew George III
What's wrong with saying that
Someone was not paying attention

CALEB SEARCHER
12/20/2019 09:42:30 pm

@CMG GUY:

The American Revolution did NOT overthrow King George III. That would imply that he lost his throne. He did not.

The colonies declared and eventually won their independence from England. The King was not removed from his throne the way that Louis XVI of France and Nicholas II of Russia were during the French and Russian Revolutions.

He ceased ruling over the colonies, but he remained King of England.

CMG
12/20/2019 10:01:13 pm

Correct
George III ceased to be King of America
He lost the colonies

I Remember
12/20/2019 11:03:20 pm

"CMG GUY
12/20/2019 08:08:26 pm
The American War of Independence overthrew George III
What's wrong with saying that
Someone was not paying attention"

Tell us again "Catherine Millard Guy Guy". Who wasn't paying attention?

With all the name changing I don't know or care who I'm talking to or hearing from but when I studied the New Testament in a Catholic high school and a state university setting in the 20th century, 19th century scholars and their views were front and center. I doubt that's changed in the 21st century.

Of course since the tactic du jour is to repeatedly post assertions under different names without citing a single source (supergay, btw as the kids used to say) I doubt we'll see the biblidiot backing up his argument.

CALEB SEARCHER
12/20/2019 11:41:18 pm

He didn’t cease to be “King of America”, as there was no such term to begin with. Mexico is in America as well, but the British never ruled over it. He was King of the colonies in North America because they were a part of England. France and Spain laid claim to other parts of the future US as well.

As King of England, he ceased to rule over the American colonies, which later became the United States of America. He never lost his title or his throne. He was King George III until the day he died.

I remember
12/19/2019 03:56:57 pm

"I REMEMBER NEEDS TO SHOW
12/19/2019 07:28:36 am
You name your books. You do that.
Let's analyse those books because so far you have remained silent."

If I remained silent how do you know what to reply to? I didn't make the assertion so I'm not on the hook to back it up. You keep changing your names so I don't know which Sybil I'm talking to.

It sounds like you don't think Rome and Greece are part of Western Civilization. You're almost combatively stupid.

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Vanished
12/19/2019 04:06:33 pm

Greece and Roma vanished and never had a central control that was comparable to Christianity at its height.

An Over-Educated Grunt
12/19/2019 04:06:43 pm

Bro. You have NO idea. Years of this shit.

CALEB SEARCHER
12/19/2019 11:00:46 pm

Vanished

You obviously were taught history in Sunday school; that alone explains your poor understanding of it.

Years of shit from Grunt
12/20/2019 03:15:45 am

Grunt's messages over the years have been shit. Like for example pointing out one country in Europe that did not have the system of monarchy to distract attention away from the fact about how monarchies were replaced in the West by democracies that were not based on Throne and Altar. What a load of crap that was. And Grunt's claim they did not take the Bible seriously - when in fact that person is on kneepads to that book in every single message on this Blog be never even once criticising it.

Sunday School
12/20/2019 03:19:41 am

I didn't know that Sunday Schools taught that the Bible was based on mind expanding drugs.

An Over-Educated Grunt
12/20/2019 08:05:46 am

You know what's a sure sign of a good argument? Rage-posting fifteen times, changing your name, slogans, and never actually defending your core thesis.

Over Educated Grunt diverting attention away
12/20/2019 11:01:46 am

Another historical fact - those involved in American Independence were connected with those involved in the French Revolution. More Freemasonic involvement in beheading monarchs and replacing them with democracies.

Please cite one book devoted to the subject matter of democracies replacing monarchies.

It hasn't been written. And you know why not. Academics still seriously respect and believe in the piffle of the New Testament and don't want to advertise the fact the French Republic officially regards Christianity as a Cult,

CALEB SEARCHER
12/20/2019 09:30:14 pm

@ Over Educated Grunt Diverting Attention Away: Perfectly said. It’s a genuine pleasure to know there are others here who know real history.

Aye
12/20/2019 10:06:29 pm

Over Educated Grunt's knowledge of history is biased towards the established view of Christianity, which is pure hokum because the only honest description of Christianity was given by 19th century Biblical scholars because they stuck to the facts. especially the German Protestant Theologians who concluded everything rested on Faith and not on history.

An Over-Educated Grunt
12/21/2019 11:56:00 am

Reminder, when anyone says "correctly" regarding social sciences or history, or any field which relies heavily on context and analysis, what that really means is "the way I like."

Saying that 19th Century German Protestants got it right and everyone else got it wrong and trumpeting about THRONE AND ALTAR, while ignoring the fact that Germany in the 19th Century was for all intents and purposes an absolute monarchy that allowed itself to pretend to parliamentary debate, is absolutely hilarious.

Facts
12/22/2019 09:12:48 am

There is not a single scrap of papyrus New Testament fragment dating from the first century. There are no first century Christians mentioning existence of Gospels and what is contained in the Gospels.

Knowledge of the Gospels first began to appear in the works of Justin Martyr 13-140AD

There is not even any reason to suspect that the Gospels existed during the first century. But since the 20th century they have been beating the drum that Gospels originated during the first century, despite all the various errors contained within the Gospels.

Context
12/22/2019 09:23:16 am

That's right. Context is important. And the "correct" context needs to be given within German history about how German Protestant theologians ripped apart Christian fundamentalism while having a monarchy. Somehow I don't think we can rely on Over Educated Grunt about that.

Kent
12/22/2019 04:19:18 pm

I suspect you keep banging on about the Gospels here because everyone you know in real life has told you to shut the heck up because they're tired of it already.

It's like saying there are no Betty White nudes because you haven't been able to find them. Here you go:
https://www.google.com/search?q=betty+white+nude&rlz=1CAHKDC_enUS830&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja8PSalsrmAhWNMd8KHWR5Bx0Q_AUoAXoECAsQAw&cshid=1577049316327903&biw=1242&bih=554

Something being unfound doesn't equal something not existing.
Personally I don't care but you clearly have an obsessive axe to grind, so grind away. Perhaps the Betty White nudes will be of some help.

Response
12/22/2019 04:41:23 pm

"Something being unfound doesn't equal something not existing."

This has been addressed many times and admitted by even believers. When the earliest Church Fathers referred to the Scriptures it was always to the Old Testament, never to the Gospels. When the earliest Church Fathers quoted from the Scriptures, it was always from the Old Testament, never from the Gospels. First century Christianity was very different to what it eventually developed and evolved into.

Wilhelm II
12/22/2019 04:49:24 pm

Wilhelm II of Germany was the last Emperor who abdicated in 1918 because the allies during World War I refused to accept German surrender until after it became a democracy. Wilhelm II was anti-England, anti-Semitic and anti-Freemasonic. Just like the British Monarch Queen Elizabeth II he was a simple minded believer in the Bible.

Therefore Germany has a different history to America, France and Russia when it came to replacing Monarchy with Democracy.

At first glance, German criticism of the Bible rested on the legacy of Martin Luther and the Reformation - and also that during the 19th century the Papacy introduced censorships against the rising tide of freedom of thinking that for various reasons German theologians rebelled against.


Kent
12/22/2019 05:18:44 pm

You obviously think you're trying to make a point. Any chance of you telling us what that point is?

The Point
12/22/2019 10:46:58 pm

All world leaders are simple minded believers in the Bible who don't know anything about Biblical criticism. World leaders are completely ignorant about Biblical criticism who have never left the stage of Sunday School. So much for our so-called "peers".

The showing of the TV documentary series in the UK in 1980 sparked an angry outrage in Parliament whereby one Member of Parliament hilariously demanded the resignation of Rudolf Bultmann without knowing that theologian had died in 1973.

I suppose most of the posters on this Blog are on that same level.

TV Documentary series
12/22/2019 10:49:10 pm

Jesus The Evidence (Channel 4 Television, 1984)

Kent
12/23/2019 12:24:03 am

And the insanity comes out from the shadows.

"All world leaders...."
So Putin, Xi, whoever's running Iran, Erdogan (Muslim so by definition doesn't believe the New Testament), Assad (not even Muslim), Modi...

All World Leaders
12/23/2019 09:42:50 am

All World Leaders that attend Christmas Mass are simple minded believers in the Bible. Prove it otherwise.
Yes, even non Christian World leaders don't have the vaguest idea about Biblical criticism.
It's got to be upheld in the UK because of the Coronation Ceremony of the Monarch conducted by the Archbishop of Canterbury and the British Monarch also happens to be the Head of the Church of England.

Kent
12/23/2019 10:51:26 am

You obviously think you're trying to make a point. Any chance of you telling us what that point is?

The Point
12/23/2019 03:35:38 pm

The point is contained in my messages

Kent
12/23/2019 04:40:34 pm

I believe that you believe that but you should know that's just something someone says because it's nicer than asking where someone is a mental patient.

Let's try this: Your point is so excellent that it eludes the average reader. Could you dumb it down a bit for us?

KENT IS ANTHONY WARREN
12/24/2019 08:02:57 am

Kent suffers from amnesia because it wasn't that long ago on this Blog where Kent mentioned I made an interesting point about World Leaders being simple minded believers in the Bible.

Kent
12/24/2019 12:54:33 pm

You obviously think you're trying to make a point. Any chance of you telling us what that point is?

The Point
12/24/2019 01:47:29 pm

The point is that the historical Christ was invented during the second century whereby the ceremony of the Mass was converted into pseudo-historical narrative. This is so obvious because of the clumsily way historical characters like Pilate, Herod, Quirinius, Caiaphas, Simon of Cyrene were placed into it all, and not forgetting the topographical errors that no-one from the first century would have made. German Protestant theologians arrived at this same conclusion during the 19th century and which has been used by various atheist critics of the Bible ever since.

Kent
12/24/2019 02:04:15 pm

That and a dime will get you two nickels. What is the point of your point? And why do you keep saying stuff over and over when no one's arguing with you?

KENT IS ANTHONY WARREN
12/24/2019 02:26:17 pm

WHY DO YOU KEEP ASKING THE SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND THEN WHEN I PROVIDE THE ANSWER YOU BELLY-ACHE THAT I KEEP REPEATING THE SAME THING WHEN IT'S YOU WHO KEEPS ASKING ME TO DO THAT

Kent
12/24/2019 03:46:48 pm

Again, what is the point of your point Captain Oblivious?

THE POINT
12/24/2019 04:26:19 pm

Obviously no need for anti-Semitism if Jesus Christ never existed. LOL

Anthony Warren Is Anthony Warren
12/24/2019 04:56:31 pm

It seems to me that getting rid of the best Jew ever means anti-Semitism is needed more than ever.

THE POINT
12/24/2019 10:55:15 pm

A HISTORICAL JESUS IS ESSENTIAL TO FEED ANTI-SEMITISM. LOL

Kent
12/25/2019 12:09:44 am

Tell it to the Babylonians, Greeks, and Romans. In general, read a book once in a while.

You are an idiot.

Biblical Fundamentalist
12/25/2019 06:02:50 am

Without that, Anti-semitism would be out of a job'
The historical Christ feeds anti-semitism

Kent
12/25/2019 03:48:34 pm

So explain the 3 pre-Jesus groups I mentioned.
(To other readers: This should be really good.)

Jack E. Jessel
12/25/2019 04:55:37 pm

A class of schoolchildren is asked to produce an essay about giraffes; little Tom Smith hands in a piece on the neck; little John Baker writes about its diet; others write about the tail, the environment, and so on. Then little Benny Cohen hands in his paper, and it is titled “The Giraffe and the Jews.”

Kal
12/19/2019 05:17:35 pm

That fetus is obviously a hominid or even a human, or it was, and let's just say it is fully a human, which it likely was. Have these fake scientists actually ever seen a stillborn human baby? They do look alien like, but you probably don't want to search Google for pictures. Just saying. Gross. That was someone's child. They should be ashamed. It's not an alien because that's not possible. They're carting around a dead human. Ghouls. It should be a crime. Oh, it might be. They should return that body to the grave.

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Kent
12/19/2019 09:57:42 pm

No need for your stillborn torture porn, live babies look like aliens.

You know all Roman Catholic churches have human body parts as part of their construction, right? Every Egyptian mummy had a mummy too.

Calma te.

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