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Tampa-Area Man Wonders If Roman Coins Found on Beach Prove Pre-Columbian European Presence in Florida

2/12/2019

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​On Sunday, the Science Channel premiered America’s Lost Vikings, a show in the mold of History’s Curse of Oak Island following the misadventures of two former History Channel archaeologists, Blue Nelson and Mike Arbuthnot, as they explore real and imagined Viking exploration in pre-Columbian North America. The first episode was rather dull, with little left for me to say that hasn’t been said by Sara Head of Archaeological Fantasies in her review posted on Adventures in Poor Taste. I strongly recommend that you read the review. But I do want to highlight one of Head’s key points, about the particularly masculine bent of this genre of programming:
I’m also struck with how Vikings‘ chosen audience is clearly men, given how far it went to not mention women at all. The main focus of the first episode is the well-researched and documented site of L’Anse aux Meadows, the only confirmed Norse settlement site in the Americas. L’Anse aux Meadows was investigated in the 1960s by archaeologists Anne Stine Ingstad and her husband Helge Ingstad. The majority of what we know about L’Anse aux Meadows is because of the Ingstads, and continuing work in the 1970s by Birgitta Wallace, archaeologist emerita for Parks Canada. Not that Nelson or Arbuthnot mention any of that. They attribute everything to only Helge Ingstad, effectively erasing Anne Stine Ingstad and Wallace from the picture. (There’s literally a monument at L’Anse aux Meadows for both of the Ingstads. They have to walk past it to see the site.)
​The male-focused audience is practically a given across these kinds of history/adventure shows, though plenty of women watch. It’s rather interesting to see the way cable TV tends to gender their programs, and equally interesting to see how history, archaeology, exploration, and “treasure” are coded as male, even when women appear on the shows, often as eye candy.
 
We’ll see whether future episodes go off the rails into pseudohistory, but for now, the show is a sensationalized but fairly staid look at the Vikings of L’anse aux Meadows.
 
Last week, Fox 13 News in Tampa reported that a treasure hunter named Frank Abreu discovered three Roman coins on a beach back in May, and four more afterward, and has now had them authenticated. As a result, he has come to suspect that Romans visited Tampa thousands of years ago. Abreu said that he only revealed the discovery now because he feared that “somebody” would seek to discredit his find rather than try to solve the mystery.
 
“The implications that there could have been Romans here in the United States prior to Christopher Columbus is crazy. So if that can be proved or if someone can tell me how these coins got here that’s really what we need to find out,” Abreu told Fox 13.
 
Abreu said that he considered the idea that the coins had been left in modern times, though he did not explain why he discounted this rather obvious conclusion. If his metal detector was able to find the three small coins and he could easily recover them on the beach, then they were not buried terribly deep and are unlikely to have been there for two thousand years.
 
I have a handful of Greek and Roman coins in my office. This does not mean that Greeks and Romans used to live in my house. It means that I bought them decades ago and have hauled them around from place to place over the years. My father is an antique dealer, and when I was a kid, the owner of an antique shop where he did business kept a jar of Roman coins on his counter. They were worthless third and fourth century bronze coins, the kind that Europeans used to sell in bulk because they were so common, and he would give them out to kids when their parents bought something. Such trafficking in ancient coins has been going on since the fall of the Roman Empire, and there is no reason to suspect that coins recovered in Florida are any different.
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Doc Rock
2/12/2019 08:55:29 am

I haven't followed the topic of ancient coins in the US much beyond that paper in Current Anthropology. I wonder if there are any more recent studies that make an effort to collect information on coins and their value. Given the amount of debased currency that has made it to the US as cheap souvenirs it seems like those coins might dominate since they are prime material for planting for hoaxes or bring lost.

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An Anonymous Nerd
2/12/2019 08:56:23 am

[Such trafficking in ancient coins has been going on since the fall of the Roman Empire, and there is no reason to suspect that coins recovered in Florida are any different.]

I will go further and say there is no good reason for that Fox channel to have covered it.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Machala
2/12/2019 10:38:44 am

" If his metal detector was able to find the three small coins and he could easily recover them on the beach, then they were not buried terribly deep and are unlikely to have been there for two thousand years."

Your sentence says it all !

Also, from what little I've been able to learn about this find, the coins showed no signs of the type of corrosion and aging they'd have incurred if they'd been in the Gulf waters, then had been washed ashore by a storm. The relatively pristeen condition of the coins raises definite red flags.

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Brett DeCesari
2/13/2019 12:37:52 pm

I found a Roman coin there in December. Talked to museum in the UK and my coin is authentic. I never reported it to anyone and would like to speak to this guy. Coins can be found at any level on the beach.Roman gold coin I found was on the surface in the UK.

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Frank Abreu
4/4/2020 06:11:18 pm

Brett,

I found the coins and I'm to see another person also found some. Every body thinks I'm crazy... But the reason why we found those coins is because the US Army Corps of engineers did a major beach replenishment project & while dredging by John's Pass for sand they came across these coins. I'm there are more in the water, but it would take a great deal of equipment to find the location and containers.

Frank Abreu
4/4/2020 05:51:40 pm

You're a dingle berry. I told the entire story to Fox but they chose to only publish what was convenient to them. I found the coins after the us army corps of engineers held a major beach replenishment project by dredging near John's Pass (Madeira beach area). They brought the coins in after dredging and it took me almost 2 months to find all 7. There are better pictures out there of the coins & if you know anything about coins you would notice that they clearly came from the ocean & they show signs of rubbing ( meaning there are more of them in container perhaps). So I'm to see there still people out there that cast judgment with out any facts..

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Joe Scales
2/12/2019 11:10:18 am

The Curse of Oak Island Effect. Find an old coin and claim you're rewriting history. From the very first season of Curse of Oak Island they've been doing this. The first coin they found you could also find on Ebay for less than ten bucks at the time. Then a few more after that in successive seasons. Which of course even if they weren't salting the island, wouldn't be evidence so much of a lost treasure, but someone's lost penny jar.

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Accumulated Wisdom
2/12/2019 12:20:15 pm

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/usa-viking-ship-discovered-near-mississipi-river/


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An Anonymous Nerd
2/12/2019 12:59:25 pm

This site describes itself as satire.

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/

Quote from bottom:

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2/12/2019 01:46:59 pm

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Joe Scales
2/12/2019 04:54:14 pm

Gee Anthony, Patrick's here as well; also pushing links to pure nonsense on a Wolter-centric topic below. You two should definitely hook-up.

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larry parker
2/12/2019 04:59:57 pm

I watched the show and the dumbest thing I saw was the guy dressed in Viking clothes and going into an cold chamber. He could have come to my house and shoveled my driveway. It would be a more realistic experience and even colder than the chamber.

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Ken
2/12/2019 05:31:31 pm

What's next? A Roman sword found near Oak Island?

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Jim
2/12/2019 05:48:18 pm

Oak Island was a hotbed of Roman activity,,,Roman pilums, Roman numerals, Roman crossbow points, now Roman cement with Roman pipes coming out of it. Also, I am told they found some old Roman pizza boxes as well as a Roman candle.

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Aftermarket Cool "Disco" Dan
2/12/2019 06:38:32 pm

If they could find a Roman polanski inside a woody allen I'd tune in.

Mark
2/12/2019 07:58:44 pm

I found some in my recycling bin. Even has a Roman on the top. Pizza Pizza!

Jim
2/12/2019 08:26:17 pm

Could be a Roman recycling bin. Where is Pulitzer with his super dooper scanner when you need him.

Seymore Butts
2/13/2019 05:34:05 pm

Follow up article: "Tampa area man wonders if he left his brain on the beach"

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Pacal
2/17/2019 04:58:38 pm

Surface coin finds are almost useless in terms of proving pre-Columbian contact, especially coins found in the USA considering how much coins from the classical world are collected by American collectors. What is needed are coin finds in a secure archeological context and not surface finds. Sadly very few such coins have been found in anything like such contexts and those few are bluntly very dubious.

Of course conventional Archeologists are then accused of dismissing evidence and being dogmatic for rejecting such "finds". Well this is par for course for "Alternative" Archeologists who will list supposed reams of "evidence" that the "dogmatic" establishment is rejecting and usually not terribly aware of how utterly dubious practically all of it is. And when that is pointed out will along with shouts of dogmatism, will bring up conspiracy theories of various kinds. ( I've grown very tired of the use of the Norfolk tower or Mystery Hill has "evidence" for two.)

So way so-called "alternatives" treat these coin finds and the usual rejection of them has evidence of pre-Columbian contact is a very interesting insight into their mind set.

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Accumulated Wisdom
2/25/2019 08:03:42 pm

Pacal,

By chance, have you gone by "Pacal Moon"?

Cenote telescope???

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HollyDolly
2/19/2019 10:20:05 am

I don't get the Science channel. That being said, maybe the coins were a plant, or maybe not.Discovery Channel a number of years ago did a show on Cocaine Mummies. These were no ordinary mummies, these were ancient egyptian mummies. The Olmec carved heads, have negroid features A ND THIS HAS BEEN NOTED BEFORE.It is my belief that there was trade and travel between the americas and places like Europeand the Middle East. How else do you explain the presence of cocaine in mummies? To my knowledge the plant that produces cocaine doesn't grow in Africa. Records have been lost over the centuries due to fires, wars, earthquakes, floods etc. Look at all the knowledge lost when the Library at Alexandria was destroyed by zealots.
It is a subject that should be looked into, but with the use of science and research.

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Doc Rock
2/19/2019 01:02:54 pm

My understanding is that there are a number of plants in Africa from which a form of cocaine can be extracted.

I once hung out with a guy whose facial features made him a dead ringer for one of those Olmec statues. He was a Swedish-American from the upper Midwest.

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carolyn
1/5/2020 03:50:41 pm

When I was a little girl, my grandmother gave me a Roman coin. She said she found it on the beach. It was the 1960's and she was living in Clearwater FL at the time. When I was a little older, I thought it couldn't be possible. Now, I wonder.

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