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Templars at Cahokia: A Burrows Cave Connection?

9/16/2013

36 Comments

 
Thanks to a cable outage, I did not have internet for much of the day, so you’ll have to content yourself with some short thoughts for today.

You’ll recall that last week America Unearthed host Scott F. Wolter claimed that the Knights Templar sent word to the Mississippian city of Cahokia announcing their coming, which triggered the Mississippian collapse due to an undisclosed prophecy that required all Native Americans to give up civilization and “go wild” to survive the coming of White People.

I’ve been trying to puzzle out exactly how Wolter came to believe that the Knights Templar sent word to Cahokia to abandon the city before the awesome white guys arrived to take it from them in the name of the Holy Bloodline of Jesus and the Goddess of the Cistercians. I am coming up close to empty-handed. There isn’t anything in the literature to suggest that the Knights Templar had anything to do with Cahokia, not even in the crazy Templar conspiracy literature. The only connection I found was one writer who claimed that the Templars and the Mississippians both built sacred structures because they were the joint inheritors of sacred geometry and ley lines from the advanced culture that inspired Stonehenge.

In 1787, Benjamin Smith Barton claimed that mounds like those found at Cahokia were the work of Vikings, and we know that Scott Wolter has re-assigned the imaginary voyages of the Vikings and the Norse to the “Norman French” Templars, so I guess that’s one connection—but Wolter doesn’t say that the Templars built Cahokia, but rather that they caused its collapse.

With that line of inquiry coming up dry, I next tried to turn to legends about Cahokia. Wolter claimed that his Native American informants provided him with oral histories that are hitherto undisclosed. This would be an interesting trick since there is no way to tie a modern tribe to the original inhabitants of Cahokia given the extensive population shifts of the post-Collapse and post-Contact periods. But there are relatively few legends of Cahokia. One, a Siouan tale, doesn’t actually mention the city but talks about a “mountain” near St. Louis, which archaeologists say refers to Monk’s Mound. Another, the legend of Red Horn, is thought to reflect a late form of Mississippian cult beliefs about an all-red god.

The only connection I can find in fact comes from alternative literature where an imaginary “white” god with a beard and a tunic is imagined to have wandered across the Americas teaching Native people how to be civilized. Derived from Spanish misconceptions of Aztec and Peruvian myths, alternative writers, particularly the credulous anthropologist Pierre Honoré, who fabricated false quotations to support his idea of white master race that ruled the ancient Americas, later writers have imagined a “White God” (from the title of Honoré’s 1964 book In Quest of the White God) all across the Americas. Terry J. O’Brien matter-of-factly asserted that such white gods were present at the construction of mound sites like Cahokia in Fair Gods and Feathered Serpents (1997). That said, a few references to a single recitation of the Sauk myth of Getci Mu’nito suggest that this fellow was “an old, white-headed man of majestic appearance” who taught the art of civilization and vanished into the north. But I’m pretty sure it referred to white hair, not white skin.

Weirdly enough, the foreign man who wandered into Cahokia and became a god was a brief allusion in a 2010 short story by Kurt Anderson called “Human Intelligence” in Neil Gaiman’s anthology Stories: All-New Tales. Anderson placed the visitor in 1317.

The only prophecy I can find is the one related of the allegedly “white” Quetzalcoatl and later applied to the Spanish at the Conquest. I am skeptical of any oral traditions that have left no trace in the ethnographic literature until 2012-2013. As we have seen before, old Native American myths of monsters were transformed into dinosaurs as soon as dinosaurs became popular. We have also seen how genuine Micmac oral traditions about the French colonization of Nova Scotia have been backdated to become “proof” of Henry Sinclair’s imaginary voyage to Canada.


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Burrows Cave "Templar" with beard, boat (right) and menorah (top). Theoretically, this photo and image would be under copyright if the rock is a fake, but since it is claimed to be hundreds or thousands of years old, a faithful reproduction of a two dimensional work of art that old can't be copyrighted. So do you want to admit it's a fake?
Here’s the only Templar connection I can find. Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas claimed in The Hiram Key that the Knights Templar found a manuscript in Solomon’s Temple that promised a prosperous land in “Merica” to the West and therefore discovered America. I do not have time to trace back the Merica name tonight, so that will have to wait until tomorrow. According to conspiracy literature, the fabricated stones of Burrows Cave show Knights Templar, proving that they had invaded Illinois. The stone above shows what Rixon Stewart called a bearded Templar with a boat. Clearly, it’s a modern fake based on what looks like a standard image of Jesus, much like the one that used to hang in my grandmother’s living room.

Could this be the origin for the claim that the Templars reached the Mississippian lands and caused the Cahokia collapse?

36 Comments
spookyparadigm
9/16/2013 12:10:12 pm

I gotta stop reading your headlines. They're killing me.

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Scott Hamilton
9/16/2013 01:20:56 pm

Merica, f*** yeah!

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Shane Sullivan
9/16/2013 04:19:58 pm

I have a question: on a scale of one to ten, how important were menorahs to the Knights Templar? Because I wasn't aware that the Knights Templar were very strongly associated with Jewish symbolism.

By the way, while I haven't heard any myths about Cahokia, I've heard one about Aztalan; that the inhabitants of Aztalan practiced cannibalism, sometimes on captured members of other tribes, and that the local tribes formed a coalition to drive the Mississippians out of the area.

(It should be mentioned that the guy who told my father this story--a Winnebago gentleman, I believe, and a close friend of my dad's--wouldn't claim any certainty of the story, which, if nothing else, serves to teach us that not every Native American believes every Native American story ever told.)

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The Other J.
9/16/2013 05:43:40 pm

Are there wendigo stories associated with those particular instances of cannibalism?

A menorah being a Templar symbol is news to me. Not sure how that even makes sense, unless the creator was going for "ancient, seemingly esoteric symbol from an exotic culture." In which case there were probably better choices, but perhaps the forger wasn't aware of any better choices.

I'm curious what the script is supposed to say. I can't even make out what language it's meant to be (not that I'm really trained for that). Some of the letters look like runic letters, some look Phoenician. If Phoenician, then the vertical text on the left might read 'yrqh,' or something like York, but I really don't know what I'm even looking at. Nor am I convinced the original chiseler was.

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Shane Sullivan
9/16/2013 06:52:37 pm

I was thinking the top and bottom characters of the vertical text look a bit like "D" and "T" in the Ogham alphabet. Pseudo-Phoenician seems more likely, though.

Shane Sullivan
9/16/2013 07:02:25 pm

Oh, and as far as the wendigo thing, I didn't hear of any in connection with that story, but then, wendigo aren't really a Winnebago thing.

Big Mike
9/16/2013 07:04:02 pm

There's definitely supposed to be some Egyptian or "proto"-Egyptian influence on this stone too. After all, the vertical "box text" on the left of the stone resembles a a cartouche, which is a means of designating a royal name in Egyptian hieroglyphs.

Jason Colavito link
9/16/2013 11:35:15 pm

I think that the Burrows Cave stone was carved to be an ancient Jew or Levantine person and that the later writers who have made it into a Templar are pretending that the menorah represents the Temple.

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H.
9/16/2013 11:59:40 pm

Jason, isn't the base of the Menorah odd- the triangle? Have you seen this rendition of base anywhere else?

Jason Colavito link
9/17/2013 12:16:06 am

In art? No. As an attempt to render in 2 dimensions that three-dimensional base of real menorahs, sure. This one might be stylized from the one appearing on the Roman Arch of Titus, The Burrows Cave art is all fake, so I wouldn't read too much into it.

Amerigo Vespucci
9/16/2013 04:30:24 pm

SAY WHAAAT?

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Big Mike
9/16/2013 06:56:35 pm

I know, right?! Who knew that you named the continents before you were even born. And between 300 and 3,000 years before too. Man, I wish *I* was that kind of famous.

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B L
9/25/2013 10:15:17 am

****New Conspiracy Alert*****

Amerigo Vespucci, a descendant of the Templars, was named after the Merica star and the continent of North America. This, of course, blows the lid off of history as we know it, and will radically alter human destiny.

Look for this nonsense in the third season of America Unearthed.

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Only Me
9/16/2013 04:37:27 pm

I found something that relates, I think, to this "Merica". There is a book titled La Merica, written by Arthur Faram. Here is a relevant excerpt of the synopsis:

"You will read of the hidden history of the Celts, the Vikings, the Knights Templar, and the Freemasons, as well as the part the author's ancestors played in this history. You may be surprised to read that they all helped shape the pre-Columbian history of the Americas. Evidence is presented that proves Sir Henry Sinclair of Scotland lived in what became, Baltimore, Maryland, and that the Portuguese ceded North America to the Templars in 1362 A.D."

It's published by Foundation Press. I don't have the book myself, but I found out about it from researching the KRS. Its advertised at www.thekensingtonrunestone.com.


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Jason Colavito link
9/16/2013 11:31:19 pm

I saw that, too, but I think it's a new book from this year.

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Gunn
9/16/2013 06:01:51 pm

"This book is made possible by the re-discovery of an ancient science handed down to the Portuguese, by successive secret societies, within the important ancient cultures that preceded them."

I was just thinking that the ancient science handed down was re-discovered when? Re-discovered in modern times, or re-discovered in another time? Some believe the Templars had special knowledge, scientific perhaps, in the sense of extraordinary maps, and maybe even extraordinary means of orienting oneself. Well, it's not much of an extrapolation to think that when the French Templars were hounded, the special knowledge was handed over to the Portuguese, who had simply changed their name. Also, perhaps this could explain why Columbus got involved later, I think as a result of knowledge his Portuguese wife had. Perhaps Columbus was the ultimate beneficiary of at least some of this special knowledge, if there was such a thing.

Masonry was a specialized knowledge, for example. Those fantastic cathedrals went up like mushrooms!

...in the arena of innocent speculation.

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Isaac
9/17/2013 04:13:41 am

"Some Ancient Astron- I mean Templar theorists believe that the Knights Templar had access to secret, advanced knowledge." Really now? Is there any evidence of this, or even any suggestion of it outside fringe, Templar-glorifying conspiracy literature?

"Extraordinary maps" sounds a little Charles Hapgood-ish for my liking, and other than the debunked-to-death examples like Piri Reis and Orontius Finaeus, I'm not aware of any evidence of special maps or navigational techniques passed through secret societies to Columbus. Although, I suppose I wouldn't be aware of them, because they are secret...

(simply engaging in innocent debate regarding your innocent speculation, try to refrain from to call me names if you could)

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Gunn
9/17/2013 12:15:38 pm

No, I will not refrain, since you will not restrain your own self, and since you started any foul wind. I would much rather call you a name like Blog Rat if I think it will do any good. Don't worry, names are only as good as the fit goes.

You overlook one thing: For what reason did the Templars achieve their rocketing popularity and power? It wasn't for no reason, if I may use a double negative. I've read a lot of speculation about why the Templars' star rose so fast...there must be a reason.

So, Isaac, to simply scoff does no good. It is better to speculate, using what information is available. Jason scoffs, but he follows through with research to try and back up his skepticism.

Too, I suppose much was held in secret back in medieval times. I'm reminded of the "secret style" of runic characters found in the Larsson Papers, indicating a 19th Century knowledge of much earlier secret writing techniques...yes, with probable connections to the Templars, since the secret style was in essence part of the "missing gap" between the dissolution of the Templars and the rise of Masonry. We again recall the symbolism at Rosslyn Chapel, which does the same thing--bridging that vague gap.

It's not necessary to scoff, even if you feel like it.

Gunn Is A Bully
9/17/2013 01:34:55 pm

"You overlook one thing: For what reason did the Templars achieve their rocketing popularity and power? It wasn't for no reason, if I may use a double negative. I've read a lot of speculation about why the Templars' star rose so fast...there must be a reason."

Yeah, they invented BANKING, Gunn. They invented the account management fee and the withdrawal fee and the account balance fee and the maintenance fee. They probably invented closing costs, for that matter. And they had a LOT of people VERY interested in their banking, since it meant they didn't have to be robbed by bandits every ten miles all the way to Jerusalem.

Occam's Razor, sir: I don't have to make ANY assumptions to support the idea that the Templar power rise came about because of banking, since there is ample evidence, including the fact that the Templars FELL because THE KING OF FRANCE owed them more money than he could pay back.

"Some believe" requires the assumption that such knowledge existed in the first place, and that it was passed on to the Portugese IN SECRET and then to Columbus--an Italian, I might add, who worked for SPAIN, not Portugal. That's three more assumptions than "Banking made the Templars powerful."

By the way, the banking thing is NOT speculative, it is hard-core, nailed down, written in stone FACT. The Templars invented banking in Europe. Even a single Google search will tell you that much. Not that I think you'll do anything but break into a long, bullying tirade about how dare anyone question your "special secret knowledge" that you can in no way back up with FACTS.

Gunn is a Bully to Bullies
9/18/2013 03:24:26 am

You got that part right. I will not proceed undefended when attacked. I meet Bullies head-on. Others, I'm peaceful toward. On guard!

Gunn
9/18/2013 03:43:20 am

Yeah, banking later...but what, at first? Why the SUDDEN rise in popularity? One reason: banking? Some questions can't be answered with one simple answer, but go ahead and oversimplify if you want to.

You may be close-minded about Columbus and Portugal. Again, the verdict isn't in...only scholarly speculation up to this point:

http://www.prlog.org/11888860-academics-assert-christopher-columbus-was-portuguese-born.html

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/10/the_forgotten_wife_of_christopher_columbus.php (you may like this one, Jason)

There are many other google references you may want to update yourself on, Trouble Maker. Why scoff at innocent speculation? Why be a prick for me to kick against?

Gun bullies EVERYBODY
9/18/2013 08:00:50 am

There are VAST numbers of examples of people and organizations rising to power quickly, WITHOUT needing "secret knowledge" of any kind. JK Rowling rose to vast heights of wealth and popularity in the space of about two years when she published the beginnings of the Harry Potter series, for instance. Microsoft rose to heights of political and economic power in less than two decades and has remained there ever since.

For the Templars, it WAS pretty simple. They had lots of money that they were making free with it--even if they were charging fees to let people have at it. Not to mention the fact that it's not like the people who founded the Templars and kept if going were, you know, WAR HEROES or anything. They didn't NEED some kind of "secret knowledge" to be rich and famous, they were famous already and their new and WILDLY successful invention--fees-based banking--made them plenty rich. That really is all it took, and no, it didn't take very long, but it usually doesn't.

As for the articles, the first one is interesting but the hypothesis is predicated on shaky grounds--"Columbus hid his past, so he must have been Portugese." Really? It couldn't POSSIBLY have been that he was ashamed of being a poor Italian boy? However, I will allow that the hypothesis is interesting and merits further study. It in no way implies any connection whatever to the Templars or the Knights of Christ, however, other than "they lived in the same country." Well, sir, I live in the same country as Baptists, but I'm not one and really have little to no contact with them. Once in a while they come around and hand out a pamphlet, but I've read it and it's definitely not "secret Baptist knowledge" in there. Where is your actual connection between Columbus and the Templars, if you're going to go down this path?

As for the second article, it can be dismissed out of hand as anything reliable, since the very first paragraph shows a level of vitriol that makes it unacceptably biased. And yes, I read the whole thing. It's highly speculative and impossible to sort fact from author's fantasy, though it does at least cite its sources. There was not one word connecting anything to the Knights Templar, other than a reference that the order the wife was in was set up in a similar way to the Templars operationally. Further, it re-emphasizes that Columbus was peddling "I can sail that way and there's nothing between me and the Indies that way!" desperately to anyone who would listen; why would he do that if he KNEW there were two continents in the way?

"There are many other google references you may want to update yourself on, Trouble Maker. Why scoff at innocent speculation? Why be a prick for me to kick against?"

I didn't scoff at the speculation; I treated it as a serious discussion and responded to the points you were trying to make. I scoffed at YOU, personally, because you DESERVE it. You are a hypocrite and you throw temper tantrums like a five year old whenever people disagree with you. You wouldn't know scholarly practices if they bit you--which is proven because THEY HAVE.

SCOFF

SCOFF SCOFF SCOFF SCOFF SCOFF.

Gunn Is Great, But Goes After Scoffers
9/18/2013 01:30:05 pm

What's in a name? Scoffers are a type of Blog Rat. They bite from the side, instead of directly head on. They are somewhat sneaky and harder to recognize as attackers at first, but they soon enough declare what they are: Blog Rats. Here's their main problem, put into their own words:

"It don't bother me when someone calls me a Blog Rat...the words 'blog rat' simply don't bother me at all...maybe they should, but they don't. Maybe I AM a blog-sociopath and don't even know it.... Like, I feel no pain when I'm purposely being a jerk. What's wrong with me, Gunn?"

Well, I don't know, Son. Maybe you just enjoy being a butt-head to others too much of the time. Some people enjoy being a butt-head. Now, understand, scoffers are not only Blog Rats, but also butt-heads. I would like to see a scoffer call a Blog Rat a butt-head here some time, but I don't think that will happen.

Uncle Ron
9/17/2013 12:37:44 pm

Some believe… it's not much of an extrapolation… perhaps this could explain… Perhaps Columbus was… Are you sure you don’t write for AU?
This is nonsense times foolishness divided by the square root of wishful thinking.

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Gunn
9/18/2013 03:49:17 am

...and subtracted from by your own "fuddy-wuddiness."

Are you a grouchy Uncle, Ron?

Perhaps you simply need to go back to bed....

Gunn
9/18/2013 04:46:39 am

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/10/the_forgotten_wife_of_christopher_columbus.php

After making those bold statements, above, I'm glad I found this to at least back up my speculation.

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Only Me
9/24/2013 05:17:02 pm

First, I'll address Isaac:

It has been suggested that the "Holy Grail" the Templars were guarding was, in fact, the cumulative knowledge from the past concerning navigation, the most important being the establishment of longitudinal positions before it was common practice. As an offshoot, the use of "roselines" (meridians), allowed the development and practice of "sacred geometry". This has been suggested by William Mann, author of "The Knights Templar in the New World".

Now, to Gunn:

One of the biggest reasons the Templars rose to fame so quickly, was due to the promotion of the order by the Cistercian abbot, Bernard of Clairvaux. He wrote a letter to Hugues de Payens, entitled "De laude novae militae" (In praise of the new knighthood). This circulated throughout Christendom, swelling the Templar ranks, and those who couldn't join gave the order land and other valuables. The Templars became the wealthiest of the orders over time, and won favor from the Church and many monarchies.

Gunn link
9/26/2013 05:22:06 am

So then, religious influence was a reason, besides banking? That's what I thought, although someone on the blog here went on and on about there being a singular reason: banking. The Scoffer was wrong, and thank you for pointing it out, Only me.

Concerning roselines, I did an extensive study of this subject and it makes sense that portions of earth and sea were carved up and indicated on early, if not ancient, maps. Ley lines usually end on hills, which I found interesting, considering the landscape surrounding the Runestone Hill area. Runestone Hill may have been surrounded by stoneholes because of its geographical significance--in that particular area. In other words, if people were looking for the center of North America, they would look for a suitable landscape feature to mark the spot. It could be that Runestone Hill is such a spot. Or not...maybe part of another grid.

Obviously, the hill was surrounded with stonehole rocks for a reason. I don't necessarily believe that the stoneholes and the KRS were made at the same time. I've hypothesized about this here before. I think the ten surviving men left the runestone there as a memorial, believing people would come back (for another reason) and find it. The people who made the runestone, I believe, knew about the stonehole-marked Runestone Hill before they left the runestone there. After seeing the aftermath of REDRUM just a day's journey north (up the Chippewa River), the men would not take the time necessary or make the noise to carve all the stoneholes, let alone take the time to find a suitable pattern. Like Wolter, I think that sacred geometry may have been used at Runestone Park, and I've expounded on that on my website by putting up a few maps I developed. It's all speculation, of course.

Byron DeLear
9/17/2013 04:36:19 am

Let us know what you find regarding Merica --- if memory serves, the story was supposed to originate with a trove of ancient manuscripts that were found by the Templars hanging out in Solomon's stables or something located today in Old Jerusalem. They were digging around the ruins of the temple, which by then was being used as a garbage heap by the earlier Muslim occupants of Al Quds (Jerusalem) --- is there another source to the Merica story you've found?

And while we're on the topic here was my July 4 discovery of the earliest documentary evidence of phrase U.S.A. --- actually four months earlier than the discovery I made in 2012. This one keep chasing me around -- C.S. Monitor and Yahoo News carried this one --it's a good read if you like history sleuthing stories. And guess -- who coined the name of America? Most likely, a freemason!

Who coined 'United States of America'? Mystery might have intriguing answer.

Historians have long tried to pinpoint exactly when the name 'United States of America' was first used and by whom. A new find suggests the man might have been George Washington himself.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/0704/Who-coined-United-States-of-America-Mystery-might-have-intriguing-answer

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Coridan Miller
9/17/2013 05:07:45 am

Again white men come to the Americas and teach the natives nothing useful from the old world (like metalworking). The Amerindians had their own advancements of course (especially in breeding foodcrops) but how could these white people be seen to have 'civilized' the natives without bringing to them any of the things whites thought important?

Post-Colombus we can see how whites 'civilized' the natives through religious conversion, written language, and destruction of any non-christian style family units (such as matrilineal descent, two-spirit people). We know what the cultural exchange was and there was obviously none before Colombus or there would not have been such a massive one after him!

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Isaac
9/17/2013 09:55:01 am

An interesting article about Cahokia was published yesterday, discussing new evidence brought to light in recent digs which suggest the decline and eventual demise of the city was triggered at least in part by a large fire which destroyed "perhaps as many as 100 buildings".

http://westerndigs.org/epic-fire-marked-beginning-of-the-end-for-ancient-culture-of-cahokia-new-digs-suggest/

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Titus pullo
9/22/2013 05:23:10 am

I saw an episode of america unearthed from last season on Friday night. The episode was the burial in Arizona of an English,an. Besides the over dramatic staged reactions of Scott Wolter I could not fathom that Scott would ask the obvious the rock with the runes which had no weathering and wasn't reported in the state investigation in the 80s. It's obvious a fake. What a sorry excuse for an episode.

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B L
9/25/2013 10:20:44 am

I thought the same thing the first time I watched that episode. Here is a guy, Wolter, whose sole claim to fame is that his expertise allows him to date the carvings on the KRS to the time period denoted in the text on the KRS. And yet, he seems totally unaware that the Arizona carving is less than 30 years old? I scream "Shennanigans"!

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Titus pullo
9/22/2013 05:25:59 am

Cities rise and fall all the time. I doubt a supposed warning of the white gods struck fear in 30k inhabitants and caused them o flee from the nine foot white Nordic stud giants....

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John M.
9/29/2013 10:46:42 am

Jason, just discovered your blog and I like your critical (in the good sense) review of what's out there. Just moved recently to the STL area and have visited the mounds. I'm surprise Wolter has yet to include the tale of Madoc. One word I've learned is "conflation." Sloppy research will equivocate different ideas as the same. I recall an online article called the "Spanish Imposition" which detailed how the Spanish used Native legends to their advantage - an early version of PsyOps. This required conflation of legends. Peer review is very important to identify conflation and other errors. What peer review is used for these programs? I would think that HC would be willing to air a series that "fact checks" and challenges programs' claims, making a better reality show than what's out there.

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Fury S
12/17/2018 12:26:07 am

All the templars would have to do to cause a colapes would be to establish contact and let the deseases do the rest .

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