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The 1960s Search for Ancient White Gods in the Americas

2/12/2014

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When the Spanish explored the New World, their missionaries attempted to understand Native cultures in Old World terms, and the Franciscan missionary Toribio de Benavente decided that resemblances between Mexican religion and Christianity must have been due to the work of the St. Thomas, who legend said had traveled beyond the Ganges to evangelize. Because millenarian belief at the time held that the Natives were the Lost Tribes whose rediscovery heralded the final conversion of the Jews, the Spanish interpreted Native myths in that light, distorting any references to the color white (such as in directional color symbolism) as references to skin color in order to connect America back to Europe and the coming reign of the universal monarch and the return of Jesus. Native sources lack evidence of “white” skin color for the gods.

Such beliefs influenced the idea that the Toltecs had been white men, and that the Mound Builders of America had been a lost white race massacred by savage red men from Asia. It was from this stew of so-called evidence that Ignatius Donnelly derived his idea, in Atlantis: The Antediluvian World (1882), that the alleged white gods of the Americas were in fact memories of the Caucasian survivors of Atlantis, who spread around the world to civilize the planet. This was made possible because it was not yet known that the high cultures of Central and South America were thousands of years younger than their Bronze Age counterparts in Europe.

Although the belief that white and bearded Europeans or Atlanteans had civilized America never entirely vanished (James Churchward revived it with his Mu books of the 1920s and 1930s and A. Braghine did so again with Shadow of Atlantis in 1940), the persistent failure of archaeologists to uncover Old World artifacts in the Americas led academia to the conclusion that there had been no direct contact or influence from overseas. However, in the 1960s, the Victorian claims of diffusionism came back into vogue, and this time there was an even sharper focus on the specifically racial aspect of diffusionism, something that was present in the Victorian claims but simply accepted in its time as normal and obvious. In the 1960s, however, it needed stronger defense due to changing perceptions of race after World War II, and it isn’t hard to see a reflection of the era’s racial tensions, spawned from de-colonization and the Civil Rights movement, in these works.

What, after all, was the diffusionists’ tale of the ultimately unsuccessful effort of a small group of white men to impose European standards of civilization on the Third World than a reflection of the British and French colonial experience? Was it really a coincidence that the major periods of questing for ancient white gods coincided with the building of the European colonial empires and then with their dissolution? Rudyard Kipling had written of the “White Man’s Burden,” and here diffusionist authors seemed to find in the deep past a mirror for the colonial tensions of the 1960s.

In 1961, the French-German author Pierre Honoré, often described as an archaeologist (though I have not been able to confirm this), published In Quest of the White God in German (translated into English in Britain in 1961 and released by Putnam in America in 1964), in which he proposed that the high civilizations of the Americas were due to the influence and direct intervention of Caucasians from the area around Crete. According to Honoré, white Minoans interacted with Native Americans and “brought a system of science and engineering, gave them their legal codes, and helped them achieve a high level of civilization.” You will of course recognize this list of gifts as the same that the French claimed to bestow on the colonized peoples of Africa, Asia, and the Pacific even as their empire was falling to pieces.

For Honoré, accounts of light-skinned Native people proved the truth that white men had once ruled the Americas, and he declared the cyclopean masonry of Peru to be a perfect analogue to that of the Mycenaeans, at two millennia’s remove. I have previously explained how Honoré altered historical documents to rewrite them with an emphasis on whiteness in order to lend better support to his ideas. Much of his evidence was the same Victorian bric-a-brac used by Ignatius Donnelly and the Theosophists.

It didn’t hurt that his was one of two books on the same subject published in America at almost the same time.

Just before the English-language edition of In Quest of the White God hit American stores, the librarian and journalist Constance Irwin published Fair Gods and Stone Faces: Ancient Seafarers and the New World’s Most Intriguing Riddle (St. Martin’s Press, 1963), which was more of the same, resting its case on the supposed “fact” (refuted by genetics, ethnography, and photography) that Native peoples could not grow beards; therefore, their bearded idols must be white men. She proposed that these white civilizing gods were in fact the Phoenicians, who crossed the Atlantic between the western bulge of Africa and the eastern bulge of Brazil, probably in a windstorm. She took at face value Spanish accounts of “white” gods and apostles who had tried to Christianize the Natives in the early centuries CE. It was, in many respects, Donnelly all over again, but with the Atlanteans replaced by superficially more plausible Phoenicians.

Her book would eventually be read by Graham Hancock, who used it to form his own claim that white men from a lost civilization (rather than the Phoenicians) had civilized the Americas. In memory of the earlier books, Hancock referenced that lost race’s white skin at least twelve times in Fingerprints of the Gods (1995). On a more ridiculous extreme, Peter Kolosimo, in Timeless Earth (1977), married the idea of these white gods to the 1950s-era claim that the pilots of UFOs were white Nordic aliens and proposed that Nordic extraterrestrials colonized Atlantis, from which civilization defused as per Ignatius Donnelly.

The coincidence of both Honoré’s and Irwin’s books seeing English publications virtually simultaneously did not escape the notice of reviewers. Kirkus called each a “companion volume” for the other, and noting how much material the two shared in common. Three decades later, during the 1990s alternative history revival, this material was recycled yet again, largely without change. It is probably not a coincidence that the search for a far-flung group of ancient white civilizers began anew after the end of the Cold War and rise of globalization, when Western companies began expanding across the Third World and America claimed a global hegemony.

In 1992 Richard Marx published In Quest of the Great White Gods, which, if anything, was even more racially insensitive that Honoré’s title. However, he extricates himself from the quagmire of perceived racism by arguing that the Native Americans also viewed visiting Africans and Asians as “black” and “yellow” gods because they were all seen as culturally superior. However, his focus remained primarily on the “great white gods,” whom he identified as European visitors, the impetus for Native civilization: “White gods figure in almost every indigenous culture in the Americas,” he wrote. Marshalling the same old evidence hoary with age when Ignatius Donnelly used it in 1882, Marx purposely created a book designed to be a self-promotional tool of sensationalism, reveling in brandishing any number of “politically incorrect” (his words) ideas about why Native Americans needed European help to have a civilization. In 1995, Graham Hancock offered his lost white civilization on the same lines. Similarly, in 1997 Terry J. O’Brien published Fair Gods and Feathered Serpents: A Search for Ancient America’s Bearded White God, again making the same case for “bearded white visitors” who bequeathed civilization to benighted Native peoples.

But by the new millennium, the search for super-whites was looking a little more racist than it had during the 1990s. Honoré’s title, In Quest of the White God, must have seemed unnecessarily racist when David Childress reprinted it in 2007. He changed it to In Quest of Quetzalcoatl, which makes as good a case as any that fringe history figures have at least a partial recognition that their ideas can come across as racially insensitive. Nevertheless, Childress declared the book “a classic in the field of diffusionist arguments.”

This same quest for “White Gods” in the Americas, and a “white” civilizing force behind world civilization, continues to this day. However, it’s interesting to take a quick look at one of the competitors to Honoré and Irwin in their era and what we can learn from the failure of the even more explicitly race-based One White Race; or, Following the Gods by Joseph Sheban, published in 1963. Like the others, it came from a respected press: The Philosophical Library, publisher of Nobel Prize winners and major intellectuals. 1963-1964 was when Civil Rights tensions were at their height.

In his book, Sheban attempts to merge together three disparate theories: The Lost Tribes of Israel, Aryan migration, and Phoenician colonization of the Americas. He does so by proposing a single white master race that encompassed all three:

The issues in this book are:

First, there in only one white race.

Second, there is neither an Aryan nor Semitic race. The division is pure fiction.

Third, this race was completely and full mixed in the mountains east of the Mediterranean, in Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine long before it moved into Egypt, Babylonia, Europe, or America. The mixture consisted of people having blond or black hair; blue eyes or brown, tall or short stature.

Fourth, before leaving the mountains this white man had developed a religious belief, a set of gods and code of laws.

Sheban was born in Syria according to Census records and operated a coal mining company with his brother before transitioning into operating rental real estate. It is not hard to see in his work a reflection of his immigrant experience, for his argument, if accepted at face value, makes his family “white” in a country that in 1963 still legally discriminated in many ways against the non-white, and it also makes him heir to the Phoenicians, whom he named the very first founders of America. In his book, he identifies the Indo-Europeans with the “white” Aryan race, placing their origins in the mountains east of the Mediterranean, coincidentally the place from which his family hailed. He sees this as the origin point of the white race, and from there he asserts that Indo-Europeans emerged as blond or black-haired Aryans who spread across Europe and much of Asia, taking their (white) gods with them wherever they went.

He views the Semitic peoples as a special case of Aryanism, and he works to fold them into the system to reconcile Judeo-Christian-Islamic faiths with Aryan polytheism. According to Sheban, the fact that Ur was once inhabited by Aryans was the key to proving the existence of a worldwide white master race. If the Sumerians were Aryans, then all of Mesopotamian and Near Eastern culture could also be attributed to an Aryan origin. Because Ur had Aryan inhabitants, “Therefore Abraham must have been of the same race of his city. If the inhabitants of Ur were Aryans, then Abraham must have been an Aryan boy.” Consequently, the original Jews were “really” white Aryans who venerated just one of the many Aryan gods above all others.

He goes on to argue that the Aryan Phoenicians discovered and colonized America, that they mined silver in the New World, and that they provided this silver to the Aryan king Solomon. He further claimed that Columbus was privy to the secret history of Aryans in America and purposely went out to rediscover the Phoenician settlements of the New World. In support of this, he introduces material from Pseudo-Aristotle and Diodorus that we have had occasion to examine several times before, the two passages referring to a (probably mythical) island found a few days’ sail from Africa and colonized by the Phoenicians. He reads this as America.

According to a review of One White Race in the Journal of Metaphysics in 1967 (vol. 20, no. 4), “the arguments in support of these points are unconvincing.” It was one of the few professional notices the book received despite Sheban’s and The Philosophical Library’s efforts to have copies sent to ever major magazine and academic journal. Many published brief listings under “Books Received,” but few sent it on for review.

So what was different about One White Race that wasn’t found in Fair Gods or In Quest of the White God? Not one of the books was a truly scholarly, and none utilized much evidence beyond Ignatius Donnelly’s old claims except for some more recent diffusionist oddities—allegations of Roman coins in Venezuela, etc.

I think the difference was in the title. The two successful volumes placed a fig leaf over the racial angle—both denied exploring whiteness as a concept and instead removed this by one step, exploring it only in the more limited question of what great things the White Gods had accomplished. Thus a question of race became a more socially-acceptable question of mystery and investigation; the heroes just happened to be white, providing readers with a buffer between the text and the subtext, allowing them to indulge in fantasy without acknowledging the deeper meaning. By contrast, Sheban’s book made its quest for Aryan unity far too plain. A middlebrow family could imagine placing In Quest of the White God on the coffee table, but One White Race was a bit too on-the-nose for the Civil Rights era. What would the neighbors think?

The book was consequently a flop with readers. When Sheban filed a lawsuit seeking to overturn the disqualification of claimed tax deductions in connection with the book, the court reported in its 1970 decision that his income from book sales was $125 for 1964 and $500 for 1965, the latter of which included sales of both One White Race and a translated volume called Mirrors of the Soul by Khalil Gibran. Assuming that Sheban received the standard 10% royalty on the cover price of $6.00, he sold all of 250 copies of One White Race in the first year of sale.

The court also reported that he had spent $223.76 to market One White Race in 1964, incurring a business loss that he tried to claim as a tax deduction. The court granted his request to deduct the expenses from his taxes because it found that Sheban was legitimately trying to pursue writing as a business, but found no warrant for his grandiose claim that One White Race “had generated gross receipts in the amount of $250,000” or that the publisher was hiding the money from him. The court even denied him a deduction for a home office, finding that he did not use it solely for business.

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KIF
2/12/2014 07:24:54 am

L. Taylor Hansen, "He Walked the Americas" (Amherst Press, 1963)

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KIF
2/13/2014 08:47:38 am

Frank Díaz, "The Gospel of the Toltecs: The Life and Teachings of Quetzalcoatl" (Bear & Company, 2002)

Based on Spanish accounts heard from the natives about Quetzacoatl

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yakko
2/13/2014 01:06:23 pm

Vance Randolph, "We Always Lie To Strangers" (Columbia University Press, 1951)

:-)

KIF
2/13/2014 11:29:01 pm

The book by Diaz and the conquistador's accounts rejected by scholarship? Has it been peer reviewed?

KIF
2/14/2014 02:09:36 am

The Conquistador's accounts will be as close to the facts as are possible. Their accounts are used by historians relating to other matters. When it comes to referring to Quetalcoatl, the book by Diaz should be used as the starting point.

If Frank Diaz is a romantic or a New Age Fantasist, someone please let me know. He at least lists the sources for the Conquistador's accounts about Quetzalcoatl from the original manuscripts (or seems to).

KIF
2/14/2014 02:20:43 am

Frank Diaz is an anthropological investigator focusing on shamanic studies, Nahuatl language and Mesoamerican traditions. Born in Cuba, he currently lives in Mexico and teaches classes on Toltec traditions at Cuernavaca University.

A.D.
2/12/2014 09:13:34 am

Here are some facts the racist fringe liars will never tell you.

A friend contacted Ken Nystrom an anthropologist who studies the Chachapoya civilization regarding the red hair in mummies and diffusionist claims:

"These type of "theories" are always around (Atlanteans founding things,lost tribes of Israel,Vikings colonies) but there us has NEVER been any proof.Based on the hundreds of skulls I have looked at personally and all the material my archaeological friends haven seen,there is absolutely nothing to suggest they are not indigenous.The hair in mummies frequently turns reddish-blonde because the black/brown eumelanin is more susceptible to degeneration ,leaving the red/yellow pheomelanin"

~ Dr.Nystrom

Anthropologist Ken Nystrom who studies the Chachapoya culture.I found papers by him about his work on the Chachapoya.

Late Chachapoya Population Structure Prior to Inka Conquest Kenneth C. Nystrom 2006

http://www2.newpaltz.edu/~nystromk/Docs/Nystrom%20pop%20structure%202006.pdf

A few videos a friend made in response to the fake claims

Red Hair Mummies in Ancient America https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR6lxLQSpls

On Blonde Mummies & White Civilizations in Peru www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9CqPMYY_5g

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A.D.
2/12/2014 09:15:58 am

Chachapoya_culture

"These comments have led to claims, not supported by Cieza de León's chronicle, that the Chachapoyas were blond-haired and European in appearance. The chronicle's use of the term "white" here pre-dates its emergence as a racial classification. Another Spanish author, Pedro Pizarro, described all indigenous Peruvians as "white."

"Although some authors have quoted Pizarro saying that Chachapoyas were blond, these authors do not quote him directly; instead they quote remarks attributed to him and others by Nazi race scientist Jacques de Mahieu in support of his thesis that Vikings had brought civilization to the Americas."

"Following up on these claims, anthropologist Inge Schjellerup examined the remains of Chachapoyans and found them consistent with other ancient Peruvians. She found, for example, a universal occurrence of shovel-shaped upper incisors and a near-complete absence of Carabelli's cusp on upper molars — characteristics consistent with other Amerindians and inconsistent with Europeans"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chachapoya_culture

"All reliable scientific and historical data, that means vetted by scientists and historians, indicate that the Chachapoya peoples (there was great genetic and cultural diversity because they lived at a communications crossroads) were Native Americans... no less indigenous that any other tribe, regardless of lighter or darker skin pigmentation. Read the "Tomb Raiders" article cited among the External Links. DNA studies have linked one mummy from the Uchucmarca region to a young female decedent who is not white, bearded nor of Phoenician blood. If some of the commentators would read the literature instead of citing TV specials no more credible than junk tabloids, all of this conversation would be unnecessary. No Phoenicians, no aliens, no lost tribes of Isreal... just Native Americans with very cool cultural traditions that do deserve our admiration"


"The question of ancient European influence on the Chachapoya does not remain open because it was never open to begin with. The person who tried to "open" it in the first place was a junk scientist who assumed what was politically convenient for him and then invented the evidence."

Warren B Church 2006.South American Archaeology.

http://anthropology.columbusstate.edu/Church2006.pdf

Biological Origins

"Biological data from skeletal populations recovered by archaeologist remains paltry but promise to shed light on president questions of origins.Preliminary analyses of skeletons from Laguna de los Condores,Laguna Huallabamba,and Los Pinchudos document rather typical Native American physiognomies that may reflect variation within the parameters of Andean populations.Not a shred of evidence suppoerts the notion of "White" Chachapoya populations of European or Mediterranean descent.In fact,studies of DNA from mortuary remains at Laguna Huallabamba linked one cadaver to a living descendant in the nearby village of Utchucmarca, a case demonstarting biological continuity bwtween ancient and modern populations not unlike Britains "Cheddar Man"'


Tomb Raiders of El Dorado: Archaeological conservation dilemmas in Chachapoyas

http://anthropology.columbusstate.edu/TombRaiders.pdf

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A.D.
2/12/2014 09:17:46 am

Pulling out the 1%: Whole-Genome Capture for the Targeted Enrichment of Ancient DNA Sequencing Libraries
Carpenter et al 2013

American Journal of Human Genetics 93, 1--13, November 7, 2013

http://images.cell.com/images/EdImages/AJHG/ajhg1537.pdf


"For the Peruvian mummies, we also included 10 Native American individuals from Central and South America in the PCA (Figures 3E and 3F). Interestingly, all of the mummies fell between the Native American populations (KAR, MAY, AYM) and East Asian populations (JPT, CHS, CHB), as would be expected for a nonadmixed Native American individual (Figures 3E, 3F, and S2). These mummies belonged to the pre-Columbian Chachapoya culture, who, by some accounts, were unusually fair-skinned,39 suggesting a potential for pre- Columbian European admixture. However, based on our preliminary results, these individuals appear to have been ancestrally Native American."

"The three Peruvian mummies fell into haplogroups B2, M (an ancestor of D), and D1, all derived
from founder Native American lineages and previously
observed in both pre-Columbian and modern populations
from Peru."

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A.D.
2/12/2014 09:23:46 am

And here is another example how racist fringe continue to deceive.This stupid misleading title video has been circulating youtube for years.But the facts of these people will be at the end of this message...just read on

Pre-Inca Mummies Discovered in Peru
Ancient Wari Mummies Found Near Lima Peru wearing Blue-eyed masks

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t4xw2JvE4Q


Diachronic investigations of mitochondrial and Y-chromosomal genetic markers in pre-Columbian Andean highlanders from South Peru.

Fehren-Schmitz, L., Warnberg, O., Reindel, M., Seidenberg, V.,
Tomasto-Cagigao, E., Isla-Cuadrado, J., Hummel, S., and Herrmann, B. (2011).

Ann. Hum. Genet. 75, 266--283


mtDNA haplogroups

"Haplogroup distribution for the total upper valley sample was as follows: 5.6% A, 55.6% B, 33.3% C, and 5.6% D. The detailed mt-haplogroup frequencies for the ancient populations analysed and the consulted reference populations, grouped into major chronological and spatial divisions, are found in table 5. In all six populations analysed haplogroup B is predominant followed by haplogroup C. There are overall low frequencies of haplogroup A except in Ocoro and Huayuncalla (20%) but the frequencies here are biased through very low sample size (n=15). Haplogroup D is missing in the MH sample but present in moderate to low frequencies in the LIP individuals from Botigiriayocc and Layuni (25%, 11%)."

yDNA haplogroups

"It was possible to reproducibly determine Y-Chromosomal haplogroups for 19 individuals (Pacapaccari=5; Botigiraiyocc=5; Layuni=3, Yacotogia=6). All individuals belong to haplogroup Q1a3a*. Only individuals where it was possible to determine the full profile of six SNPs are considered here. There is a high number of individuals showing allelic dropout, presumably due to DNA degradation, for one or mor SNPs. For two individuals with realized polymorphisms in M242 and M3, only M19 could be typed, so there is a chance that these individuals could belong to haplogroup Q1a3a2 and not Q1a3a* "

A.D.
2/12/2014 09:25:14 am

Now here's some good info about South American Archaeology from experts in their field.

Lost Kingdoms of South America (2013) Ep1 People of the Clouds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvGf0JIat0s


Peru's Mass Grave Mystery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbCzSL4yXtk

Jason Colavito link
2/12/2014 09:25:45 am

While I of course agree that all of the evidence indicates that the people in question were Native Americans, Mahieu wasn't making up Pizarro's words. Here's what he said in 1571 in the Relation of the Discovery and Conquest of the Kingdom of Peru: "The people of this kingdom of Peru were white, swarthy in colour, and among them the Lords and Ladies were whiter than Spaniards. I saw in this land an Indian woman and a child who would not stand out among white blonds" (trans. Philip Ainsworth Means). Philip Honoré distorted the text through unsupported revision to make all of Chachapoya blond. The key word is "rubios" in Pizarro, which Means translates as "blond" but at the time could have meant simply "fair haired," not necessarily yellow.

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A.D.
2/12/2014 10:00:52 am

Yes if you watch the first video "Red Hair Mummies in Ancient America" there are examples of Native South Americans with brown and dark brown hair.Not all native have exclusively black hair as Foerster has claimed in his videos.I have tons of examples of Brazilian Amazonian indians with light hair and streaks of reddish brown and blondish hair.These are isolated tribes.My friend has an instagram about this and I was planning on making youtube videos of these indian tribes that have no old world admixture whatsoever.

http://instagram.com/native_faces

Tara Jordan link
2/12/2014 10:50:19 am

A study of the comparative chemical composition of the hair of different races.Thomas A.Rutherford & P.B Hawk
http://tinyurl.com/n3padt5

RLewis
2/13/2014 12:47:23 am

At this point, do we really have a clear understanding of "white" meant? How "white" were Spaniards?
Also, did the ancient Romans/Greeks ever describe their gods as white? It seems that most (all?) descriptions of white gods can be attributed as originating from white people. I would think most cultures would imagine gods looking like themselves.

The Other J.
2/13/2014 02:03:18 am

RLewis said: "At this point, do we really have a clear understanding of "white" meant?"

That's one of the sticking points I always come up against. There is no real "white" identity or location of a "white" race. If you go back to the 18th and 19th centuries, many Europeans who would be considered white today were not considered white back then -- Italians, Jews, Irish. There's even a joke about it in the movie Blazing Saddles. You can go to souvenir shops in Texas (and I'm sure elsewhere) that sell NINA signs (No Irish Need Apply) next to racist ads from the early 20th century. It's also becoming a topic of academic research, the creation of "whiteness" in history and literature.

Here's a thought experiment: Looking at the history of how "whiteness" has been employed as a point of distinction and difference, what would happen if you removed people of all other supposedly non-white ethnicities from the U.S.? What if all the sudden there were no people of Native American, African, Asian, Polynesian, Middle Eastern, etc. descent living in North America? (Not by violent means -- just not there, for the sake of argument). Would a pure "white culture" just flourish, or would the white people who were left start to find points of distinction and difference between themselves and start to faction out into Anglos, Celts, Scandinavians, French Canadians, Utahans, etc., and then find reasons why people of the other groups weren't properly "white"? Because based on historical experience, that's the way things would go.

To be fair, it's not like that kind of perpetual ethnic distinction is particular to Europeans, and there are generally loads of socio-political baggage to consider -- it's a human problem. Most likely very few North Americans could look at a group of Rwandans and pick out which were Hutu and which were Tutsi, but the Rwandans sure could, and at one point not too long ago that could mean life or death for them.

Shane Sullivan
2/12/2014 11:26:23 am

Let's take a look at some traditional depictions of Quetzalcoatl, one of the most commonly cited "white" gods:

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/common/3/35/Quetzalcoatl_Ehecatl.jpg

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Quetzalcoatl_magliabechiano.jpg

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Quetzalcoatl_1.jpg

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Quetzalcoatl_telleriano2.jpg

Must have been one of those white guys with coal-black skin we're always hearing about.

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Dejan
2/12/2014 10:05:42 pm

And now there is DNA evidence of the "clovis boy" that contradicts the Solutrean hypothesis http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v506/n7487/full/nature13025.html

Is there any way thinkable that (some) fringe claims will be adjusted now? I guess not, but I'm Just wondering what anyone's thougts on This are and what "adjustments" from the fringe are going to be, except for probably stating that the DNA analysis is completely wrong and biassed? Or do they Just gamble on the fact that their supporters don't do any critical reviews?

Thanks in advance and thanks in general for everyone's input on this site.

Jason, Just thanks for your work here!

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Dejan
2/12/2014 10:07:11 pm

Sorry for typos, still struggling with the autocorrect on my new phone...

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The Other J.
2/13/2014 01:41:31 am

Here's something I never understood about the logic being employed by white diffusionist theories: As pointed out, such works take a lot of cues from the Victorian age of colonialism. If you look back at how race was perceived back then, it didn't take much of another race's blood to make someone not "white" (quadroon, octaroon, etc.).

Yet somehow a little bit of white blood among Native Americans from thousands of years ago is somehow enough to wipe out their Native American-ess and make them white.

How? In these white diffusionist theories, is white blood somehow magical? What's the half-life of this stuff? Is it somehow so much more powerful than the blood of other races that it can persist across hundreds of generations and thousands of years? And if white blood is that powerful and that magical, why would a person of mixed race within one or two generations not be considered white, if their white blood is supposedly so magically powerful it can overcome all other racial characteristics over thousands of years?

Either the mystery of white blood is like some extended Zen koan, or it's only selectively appealed to as needed by white racial diffusionists. Either way I'm probably not equipped to understand the mystery.

By the way, if colonialism and globalism were the cultural backdrops informing previous moments of white diffusionist theories, what would be the cultural background informing the current era? Is it still an extension of globalism, or would the military adventurism of the past 13 years or so also inform that cultural context?

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WellGwhiz
2/13/2014 03:01:02 am

The mystery is two ways, as history can be seen two ways, either through a White Racist lens, or not. And by varying degrees, to. It's no mystery. You dwell on White Racist Views for you're reasons, or you look for history without racial hindrance. You're choice to do it either way. Here, for example, can be done, but won't, and charges of white skin is usually "still guilty."

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Pacal
2/13/2014 06:29:31 am

There was apparently a real coin hoard found in Venezuela. It consisted of hundreds of Roman coins covering the period from Augustus to c. 350 C.E. And for good measure two eighth century Arab coi8ns! Several diffusionists have suggested that this coin hoard was a traders ready cash. However the fact that the coins cover such a long time period of Roman history and include on top of that two eighth century Arab coins makes it much more likely that the hoard is a modern collectors lost collection. Further the coin hoard was found sometime between 1950 - 1960 and details are lacking about how it was found. Supposedly it was found on a beach.

See William H. Stiebing, Jr., Ancient Astronauts, Cosmic Collisions and Other Popular Theories About Man's Past, Prometheus Books, Buffalo NY, 1984, pp. 152, and Jeremiah F. Epstein, Pre-Columbian Old World Coins in America: An Examination of the Evidence, in Current Anthropology, vol. 21, Issue 1, (Feb. 1980), pp. 1-20, at pp. 3, 6.

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Jason Colavito link
2/13/2014 06:35:06 am

Thanks for that! I agree that it certainly sounds like a collector's set. I can't think of many genuine finds that include such a range.

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Titus pullo
2/14/2014 12:05:34 pm

Don't call it a comeback, whiteys been here for years showing the red and black man the way to years. Whitey coming back. Heck remember that song..whiteys on the moon...I love that song.

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Colin Hunt
2/15/2014 02:27:29 am

A assume the report in the latest edition of the journal Nature puts to bed the arguments about the people who first populated America. The DNA analysis of the 13,000 year old Clovis child has apparently concluded with finality that “… the ancestors of the boy originated from Asia”. The international team of experts said that they could confirm that modern Native Americans are direct descendents of the first people to have settled the continent from Asia some 15,000 years ago, not migrants from Europe.
I guess some Walter Mitty characters will continue to dispute this as a conspiracy of experts, maybe by finding and dating a 15,000 concrete boat from Europe!!!

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Titus pullo
2/15/2014 08:12:31 am

Colin,

I had read that recent dna evidence strongly suggested the the first wave of paleoindians were central Asians who had eastern eurpean DNA as we'll. in other words the first Americans came from Asia but their origins were more central Asian. That would explain the various dna tests on fossilized remains in North America.

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A.D.
2/15/2014 11:57:09 am

You are simply wrong.You haven't read any studies about the peopling the americas.None of you have.And I can see you are trying to push still a scenario of "whites" being here "first" before the "indians".

NONE of the "various dna tests on fossilized remains in North America." have any "eastern eurpean DNA "

Enough of the lies already.

Quit trying to divide North and South Native Americans as they ALL are this "first american" wave into the americas.The Eskimo/Aleut and Athabaskans are from a later migration.These are common facts

Ralph E Vaughan link
2/16/2014 06:21:16 am

Don't know about gods, but at least we can thank the Ainu, the original white race of Japan (white as opposed to the pink people of Europe who are always being called white?) for bringing Chihuahuas to the New World. They are such cute fellows...the dogs that is.

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Ivar Nielsen link
2/16/2014 06:58:12 pm

Any "Quests of the White God" in South America, or elsewhere in the world, are answered by the Milky Man hanging on the night Sky, seemingly revolving around the north celestial pole, omnipresent, omnipotent and all seeing looking down on the Earth.

This white Milky Way contour is the origin for the big white Milky Man, worshipped all over the world - as with the big White Milky Woman contours on the southern night Sky.

Links:
http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.GreatestGod.htm
http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.MotherGoddess.htm

No wonder the white man so easy could overtake several ancient cultures - unfortunately.

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Ralph E Vaughan link
2/17/2014 04:38:43 am

Religion had nothing to do with it, and the Native Americans should have had an edge in that respect. Actually, I think it was so easy for the Latin civilizations to take over the New World, from Mexico downward, was because those ancient cultures had planted the seeds of their own destruction. There was no dearth of allies ready to help the newcomers. In North America, however, it was easy because the Europeans were much better at being Indians than were the Indians themselves. Sure, they enslaved, conquered, pillaged, tortured and displaced, but they were pikers compared to clerks and bureaucrats.

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Ivar Nielsen link
2/17/2014 01:00:53 am

By the way:

The Aztec White Milky Man and White Milky Woman:

Viracocha - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viracocha
Mama Pacha - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_Pacha

And the Milky Way Serpent:

The Feathered Serpent - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gukumatz

AD: In Norse Mythology this serpent is called the Midgaard serpent which curls around the Earth in the night Sky, symbolizing the full contours of the Milky Way band.

White God controversy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viracocha#Controversy_over_.22White_God.22

Cheers
Ivar

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Ivar Nielsen link
2/17/2014 01:02:08 am

By the way:

The Aztec White Milky Man and White Milky Woman:

Viracocha - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viracocha
Mama Pacha - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_Pacha

And the Milky Way Serpent:

The Feathered Serpent - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gukumatz

AD: In Norse Mythology this serpent is called the Midgaard serpent which curls around the Earth in the night Sky, symbolizing the full contours of the Milky Way band.

White God controversy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viracocha#Controversy_over_.22White_God.22

Cheers
Ivar

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Ivar Nielsen link
2/17/2014 01:02:39 am

By the way:

The Aztec White Milky Man and White Milky Woman:

Viracocha - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viracocha
Mama Pacha - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_Pacha

And the Milky Way Serpent:

The Feathered Serpent - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gukumatz

AD: In Norse Mythology this serpent is called the Midgaard serpent which curls around the Earth in the night Sky, symbolizing the full contours of the Milky Way band.

Cheers
Ivar

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Ivar Nielsen link
2/17/2014 01:02:56 am

By the way:

The Aztec White Milky Man and White Milky Woman:

Viracocha - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viracocha

Mama Pacha - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_Pacha

And the Milky Way Serpent:

The Feathered Serpent - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gukumatz

AD: In Norse Mythology this serpent is called the Midgaard serpent which curls around the Earth in the night Sky, symbolizing the full contours of the Milky Way band.

Cheers
Ivar

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Ivar Nielsen
2/17/2014 01:04:48 am

Sorry for the posting mess - my post was denied several times when posted.

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      • Lucian's True History
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