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The Claim of Flash-Frozen Mammoths Is Older Than I Thought

10/13/2018

37 Comments

 
​A publisher has asked me to assemble a proposal for a short book on the myths and legends associated with the Giza Pyramids, notably the medieval legends of the Muslim world, so I am going to be taking some time today to work on this. In the meantime, I wanted to share something interesting I ran across in reading about Graham Hancock’s new book, America Before. Do you remember the popular claim that there were wooly mammoths flash-frozen in the Arctic as a result of a catastrophic change in climate, perhaps due to a shifting of the poles? It turns out that this claim is much older than I had imagined.
​The modern version of the story was popularized by Ivan T. Sanderson in “Riddle of the Quick-Frozen Giants” in the Saturday Evening Post of January 16, 1960. According to some sources, he learned of the frozen mammoths from Immanuel Velikovsky. From there, it was picked up by fringe sources as diverse as creationist books like those of Donald Patten, mystery-mongering books like those of David Childress, and catastrophist texts like those of Charles Hapgood.
 
When I wrote about the flash-frozen mammoths in 2016 (here and here), that was as far back as I was able to trace the claim, but it turns out it is not where it starts. As with so many bizarre claims, it apparently originated in France before English-language writers picked it up.
 
It goes back all the way to 1822, when George Cuvier—the many who was among the first to suggest that fossil elephant bones had been mistaken in ancient times for the bones of Giants—could not fathom how well-preserved wooly mammoths might have been extracted from the Siberian ice. In his Discours sur les Révolutions du Globe, Cuvier, a committed catastrophist who believed that massive disasters caused extinctions, wrote about his belief that the mammoths had been frozen instantly:
It is of great importance to note that these repeated irruptions and retreats (of the sea) have not all been gradual nor all uniform. On the contrary, the greater part of these catastrophes have been sudden, and that is easily proved by the last of these events, which by a twofold action inundated and then left dry our present continent, or, at least, a great portion of the soil which now composes them. It also left in the northern countries, carcasses of large quadrupeds frozen in the ice and preserved down to the present period with their skin, their hair, and their flesh. If they had not been frozen as soon as killed, putrefaction would have decomposed them. And besides, this eternal frost did not previously exist in those parts in which they were frozen, for they could not have lived in such a temperature. The same instant that these animals were bereft of life, the country which they inhabited became frozen. This event was sudden, momentary, without gradation; and what is so clearly proved as to this last catastrophe, equally applies to that which preceded it. The convulsions, the alterations, the reversings of the most ancient layers, leave not a doubt on the mind but that sudden and violent causes reduced them to their present state; and even the powerful action of the mass of waters is proved by the accumulation of relics and round flints which in many places intervene between the solid layers. Existence has thus been often troubled on this earth by appalling events. Living creatures without number have fallen victims to these catastrophes: some, the inhabitants of dry land, have been swallowed up by a deluge; others, who peopled the depths of the waters, have been cast on land by the sudden receding of the waters, their very race become extinct, and only a few remains left of them in the world, scarcely recognised by the naturalist. (anonymous 1831 trans.)
​From there, the claim was picked up by none other than Louis Figuier, the geologist who later identified the eruption of the Thera volcano with the destruction of Atlantis. Figuier explicitly cites Cuvier among his sources, but in his World Before the Deluge, he is decidedly less catastrophist in explaining the origins of the frozen mammoths than his predecessor:
We cannot doubt, after such testimony, of the existence in the frozen north, of the almost entire remains of the Mammoth. The animals seem to have perished suddenly; seized by the ice at the moment of their death, their bodies have been preserved from decomposition by the continued action of the cold. If we suppose that one of those animals had sunk into a marsh which froze soon afterwards, or had fallen accidentally into the crevasse of some glacier, it would be easy for us to understand how its body, buried immediately under eternal ice, had remained there for thousands of years, without undergoing decomposition. (trans. H. W. Bristow)
So how did these nineteenth century ideas end up in Velikovsky’s work and Sanderson’s? That answer is depressingly familiar. Ignatius Donnelly selectively cited both accounts in his lesser-read book Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel. He omits the last half of the Figuier quotation to eliminate the reasonable explanation for the mammoths’ frozen state, and he places this before a part of the quotation from Cuvier, suggesting (wrongly) that Cuvier was right and a great catastrophe—a comet strike, whose effects he calls “the Drift”—instantly flash-froze the mammoths. “These citations place it beyond question that the Drift came suddenly upon the world, slaughtering the animals…” he wrote.
 
From here it is child’s play to see how generations of fringe writers have recycled Donnelly’s deceptive presentation of evidence and thus reproduced Cuvier’s archaic catastrophism by ignoring the two centuries of scholarship that followed.
37 Comments
E.P. Grondine
10/13/2018 09:23:03 am

Hi Jason -

With your language abilities and memory, you easily toss off comments that would take others months of work.

In a book on mammoths illustrated by Dorothy Norton, it was pointed out that many of these mammoth carcasses have radio carbon dates around 10,850 BCE.

What likely happened was that mammoth starving in that particular impact induced climate collapse ventured into hazardous areas that they would have avoided earlier. They met their deaths in them, and normal freezing preserved their bodies.

I feel like I must confess I have never read Ragnorak.I am not looking forward to reading it either.

But then I have never read Velikovsky either. (You can talk with Leroy Ellenberger about him if you are interested.) I am not a catastrophist, and not a neo-catastrophist.

What I do study is recent asteroid, comet, and comet fragment impacts with the Earth.

Exactly what hit exactly when. Just the data, please.

My introduction to the field was through Timo Niroma, a Finnish climate researcher. Any attempt by Morrison or his colleagues to lump me with Veikovsky, while an inconvenience to me, is doomed to failure

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/13/2018 10:51:46 am

*Yawn*

No one mentioned "Morrison" Chief.

"E.P. GRONDINE
10/5/2018 11:06:44 am
Since you won't get up from your computer and go out and get laid, may I suggest that as an alternative you go fuck yourself."

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Bill Birkeland link
10/14/2018 04:16:36 pm

Grodine wrote:

"In a book on mammoths illustrated by Dorothy Norton, it was pointed out that many of these mammoth carcasses have radio carbon dates around 10,850 BCE. "

This is not at all true. The age of the mummified mammoths range in age from 20,000 to greater than 45,000 BP. The majority of them are in the 34,000 - 41,000 BP range. This refutes any sort of Younger Dryas impact association. The Fairbanks Alaksa mammoth is about 21,300 BP.

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/14/2018 08:44:48 pm

BUT MORRISON!!! And he named the illustrator! Which is the standard way you cite a book as a source!!!!

It SOUNDS like you're saying Chief said something completely idiotic. Which makes sense because there's a youtube video of him selling leather Bic lighter sheaths. Fake Injuns are the funnest Injuns. Because who doesn't need a sheath for their Bic lighter?

E.P. Grondine
10/15/2018 11:16:19 am

I wish I could give you a better citation for that data, but my copy of the book was destroyed in a flash flood. That data was what the book reported, and it did so before .Firestone and Kennett. I suppose I am going to have to track down another copy.

But of course that data has been superseded by the new work on Hibben's mucks in Alaska:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-16958-2

Hibben's field notes have been recovered, as well as fossil samples from those mucks.

While there are a lot of people out there who owe Hibben apologies, I have yet to hear any of them offer them.

I suppose we are simply going to have to remind them of their earlier comments as many times as it takes to get those apologies.

E.P. Grondine
10/15/2018 11:26:17 am

My infomercial for Chris Wilson Native American themed Bic lighter covers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCCbP9I4nHw

In my next infomercial I'll probably mention their incredible spiritual power. You should buy one, as it may even get an asshole such as yourself laid. Why yes, they are that powerful.

Did I mention they also make a great gift?

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/15/2018 11:35:15 am

Since you're in Hibben's corner my default assumption is that he's a fraud. You are the opposite of a good reference.

"The dog ate my homework in a flash flood."

What kind of cheap disease-riddled whores do you hang out with that a leather Bic lighter cover is your ticket to getting sex? But enough about your mother.

Why do you feel the need to use bad language?

E.P. Grondine
10/15/2018 11:35:53 am

Here we go:

https://www.amazon.com/Ice-Age-Mammals-North-America/dp/0878424032

At $20, it is much much less expensive than the hardbound.

Enjoy.

E.P. Grondine
10/16/2018 10:11:59 am

Hey asshole -

Your native name is "Shit for Brains". it usually runs out of your mouth.

Bill Birkeland link
10/16/2018 05:44:55 pm

Below are the dates and citations for major mammoth mummies. Where are the 10,850 BCE mammoths?

1. Adams mammoth - 35,800±1200 - Lena River Siberia

Iacumin, P., Davanzo, S. and Nikolaev, V., 2006. Spatial and temporal variations in the 13 C/12 C and 15 N/14 N ratios of mammoth hairs: palaeodiet and palaeoclimatic implications. Chemical Geology, 231(1), pp.16-25.

2. Beresovka Mammoth - 44,000±3,500 – Beresovka River, Siberia

Ukraintseva, V.V., Agenbroad, L.D., Mead, J.I. and Hevly, R.H., 1993. Vegetation cover and environment of the "Mammoth Epoch," Siberia. The Mammoth Site of Hot Springs, Rapid City, South Dakota.

3.Fairbanks Creek Mammoth (Effie) - 21,300±1,300 - Fairbanks Creek, Alaska

Dixon, J.E., 1999. Bones, Boats, & Bison: Archaeology and the First Colonization of Western North America. University of New Mexico, Albuquerque. 322 pp.

4. Fishhook Mammoth - 20,620±70 - Taimyr Peninsula, Siberia

Mol, D., Tikhonov, A.N., MacPhee, R.D.E., Flemming, C., Buigues, B., De Marliave, C., Coppens, Y. and Agenbroad, L.D., 2001. The Fishhook Mammoth: rediscovery of a woolly mammoth carcass by the CERPOLEX/Mammuthus Team, Taimyr Peninsula, Siberia. In Proceedings of the 1st International Congress La Terra degli Elefanti/The World of Elephants, Rome (pp. 310-313).

5. Jarkov Mammoth - 20,390±160 - Taymyr Peninsula, Siberia

Ukraintseva, V.V., 2013. Mammoths and the Environment. Cambridge University Press. 354 pp. ISBN 978-1-10702-716-9

6. Kirgilyakh (Magadan) Mammoth (Dima) - 41,000±900 - Kirgilyakh, Northeast Siberia

Lozhkin, A.V. and Anderson, P.M., 2016. About the age and habitat of the Kirgilyakh mammoth (Dima), Western Beringia. Quaternary Science Reviews, 145, pp.104-116.

7. Lyuba Mammoth - 41,700+700/-550 - Yamal Peninsula, Siberia

Fisher, D.C., Tikhonov, A.N., Kosintsev, P.A., Rountrey, A.N., Buigues, B. and van der Plicht, J., 2012. Anatomy, death, and preservation of a woolly mammoth (Mammuthus primigenius) calf, Yamal Peninsula, northwest Siberia. Quaternary International, 255, pp.94-105.

8. Malolyakhovsky Mammoth - 28,610±110 – New Siberian Islands

Grigoriev, S.E., Fisher, D.C., Obadă, T., Shirley, E.A., Rountrey, A.N., Savvinov, G.N., Garmaeva, D.K., Novgorodov, G.P., Cheprasov, M.Y., Vasilev, S.E. and Goncharov, A.E., 2017. A woolly mammoth (Mammuthus primigenius) carcass from Maly Lyakhovsky Island (New Siberian Islands, Russian Federation). Quaternary International. 445, pp.98-103.

9. Yuka Mammoth - 34,300+260/−240 - Yukagir, Siberia

Rudaya, N., Protopopov, A., Trofimova, S., Plotnikov, V. and Zhilich, S., 2015. Landscapes of the ‘Yuka’mammoth habitat: A palaeobotanical approach. Review of Palaeobotany and Palynology, 214, pp.1-8.

10. Sopkarga Mammoth (Zhenya) - 43,350±240 - Taymyr Peninsula, Siberia

Maschenko, E.N., Tikhonov, A.N., Serdyuk, N.V., Tarasenko, K.K. and Lopatin, A.V., 2015. A finding of the male mammoth carcass in the Karginsky suit of the Upper Pleistocene of the Taimyr Peninsula. In Doklady Biological Sciences, 4 60, no. 1, p.32-35.

11. Khroma Mammoth - greater than 45,000 - Allaikhovskii District, Yakutia

Fisher, D.C., Shirley, E.A., Whalen, C.D., Calamari, Z.T., Rountrey, A.N., Tikhonov, A.N., Buigues, B., Lacombat, F., Grigoriev, S. and Lazarev, P.A., 2014. X-ray computed tomography of two mammoth calf mummies X-Ray CT of Mammoth Calves. Journal of Paleontology, 88(4), pp.664-675

AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/16/2018 06:43:15 pm

"E.P. GRONDINE
10/16/2018 10:11:59 am
Hey asshole -

Your native name is "Shit for Brains". it usually runs out of your mouth."

"E.P. GRONDINE
10/5/2018 11:06:44 am
Since you won't get up from your computer and go out and get laid, may I suggest that as an alternative you go fuck yourself."

Why always with the potty mouth Chief? You don't have to work blue. But I guess it's easier than documenting imaginary mammoths. A list of eleven journal articles trumps two citations of one blog every trip of the train.

E.P. Grondine
10/17/2018 10:41:39 am

HI Bill -

The citation for those dates is in that volume I mentioned and provided a link to. I used to carry it with me, which is how it was destroyed.

Aside from that, we now have the hard 14C data from Hibben's mucks, which I provided you a link to.

What is interesting to me in your list is the cluster of dates in the 40,000's BP, which may reflect a climate collapse following the Meteor Crater impact in Arizona.

14C Calibration is always a problem because of those spikes in fast neutron production.

PS - Here's a gift for you to celebrate legalization in Canada:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuPRBDHD6_A

You have to remember that most of the research on the geology of these impacts has been done there, and Morrison's scepticism of cometary impact or recent impact events in general has little to no effect on the research done there.

In this age of Trump, NEWT, and Rush that is a pleasant thought.

End of today's Canadian content.


Oog the Cave Man
10/13/2018 12:24:12 pm

American Cool "Disco " Dan/ Americanegro. Village called, wish you would return. The job of village idiot vacant since you wandered away.

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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/13/2018 01:10:12 pm

When Chief go Happy Hunting Grounds me go'um back village. Him use heapum bad words.

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OOG THE CAVE MAN
10/14/2018 01:08:42 pm

Americancool "Disco"Dan/ Americanegro. Just follow trail of buffalo turds back to village. Remember, do not eat turds along the way, wait until you return to village, fresh human turds available.

Stick
1/18/2023 04:00:47 pm

It's spelled "douchebag" not "disco".

Bezalel
10/13/2018 02:33:32 pm

"...fringe writers have recycled Donnelly’s deceptive presentation of evidence and thus reproduced Cuvier’s archaic catastrophism by ignoring the two centuries of scholarship that followed."

Even worse than confirmation bias is "modifying data to fit a desired conclusion" committed by Donnelly, further perseverated on by modern amateur idiots, especially some religious idiots.

It is often exciting when the possibility of new information presents itself (archaeological, astronomical, historical, whatever flavor) to perhaps change/expand our current state of knowledge; but time and time again, that possibility is dashed to pieces by lack of qualifying PHYSICAL evidence. Further disappointment follows with the apparent inability of most people to adequately assess and understand what actually constitutes qualified evidence.

<bemoans the unacceptable level of science education...>

I am reminded of Newton, who synthesized Kepler's astronomical observations ("observation" is not simply looking at something, pilgrim) into the laws of orbital acceleration and gravitation, using the language of Science (mathematics) to do so.

Also, Maxwell's genius, analyzing the prior measurements and observations of Faraday, Gauss, Ampere (many others too) to arrive at the absolutely brilliant synthesis of heat, light, electricity and magnetism called Electrodynamics.

And of course, Einstein, who shattered all of it with Special and General Relativity, using Electrodynamics to forever alter the nature of time.

Very few today follow, admire or are even remotely aware of the Newtons and Einsteins of today. We need synthesizers, who can bridge the gaps in paleontology, archaeology, geology, history, astronomy, etc.

But...

We need scientists to do this synthesizing: uncover new evidence (ACTUAL EVIDENCE), analyze data, synthesize new ideas....increase understanding, expand knowledge.

Amateurs like Hancock, Wolter, Bearden, etc will not do. If Science is not used, Mathematics not mastered, then data is not evidence.

Period.

Proper science takes years to learn just the basics, decades to actually master. Decades of speculation just doesn't cut it.

<end of diatribe>

Bezalel continues to wait patiently for new evidence to help truly advance our state of knowledge. Ancient America, Physics, Aliens, Brain Science, Technology, you name it.





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E.P. Grondine
10/13/2018 05:58:36 pm

"We need synthesizers, who can bridge the gaps in paleontology, archaeology, geology, history, astronomy, etc."

Yes we do. They are around, but if you think they are not going to tell you about recent asteroid, comet, and comet fragment impacts with the Earth then you are sadly deluded.

Impact is a mechanism which struggles for funding. Impact provides a quick answer for some questions, like why did 43 species of mega-fauna simultaneously disappear around the globe, quite independent of human population loads.

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Bezalel
10/13/2018 07:13:39 pm

"...struggles for funding..."

Yes, I know

Science/Exploration in general struggles for public funding. In this country, we care much more about militarism, and protecting Christianity so 65% of our people don't go postal.

Now ((((((once again)))))) we have a judiciary, congress and executive chock full of majority conservative ignorance, so good luck,with science funding.

"We can't control the climate because Bible"
"We can't explore Evolution because God"
"We can't study stem cells because Jesus"
"We can't explore transhumanism because End Times"
"Israel must have all weapons same reason"
"Women can't own their bodies because Pope"
"Pot is evil"
"So is sex"
"LGBT people don't have rights because Leviticus"
Did I say Bible?
"Freedom is bad, unless conservatives define it"
"Aliens are demons
Or imaginary nephilim, whatever... End times again! Bible!"
"Dead Sea Scrolls aren't real, or don't apply"
"Intelligent Design is Science"
"..Bible...." on and on and onnnnnnnnnnn.

Then again, children are fine after killing Santa Claus, maybe there's hope. But I've been down that exasperatingly naive road for 50 years and counting.

How do we get these 50 year old children who can't handle stewardship to grow the fuck up?

E.P. Grondine
10/14/2018 08:42:04 am

"How do we get these 50 year old children who can't handle stewardship to grow the fuck up?"

I think that your opinion of religion has been influenced by Falwell "moral majority" types. There are religious people out there who take their stewardship very seriously. People who walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk. Perhaps you just have to appeal to their better natures.
Good luck.

Bezalel
10/14/2018 11:43:50 am

"I think that your opinion of religion..."

I know all religious types very well, yes there are some more mature than others of course.

It's concerning when religion infiltrates our government, stunts freedom and otherwise interferes with progress

Which is always

Western history is a large palette

Jockobadger
10/16/2018 12:34:59 pm

Hi E.P. Grondine, Would you mind shooting me source(s) for the 43 species/date for the disappearance? I've been following the comments on Jason's Blog for some time and I'm interested in the commentary on the Younger Dryas. Thanks much!

Badger

Jockobadger
10/16/2018 12:53:02 pm

Btw, the Hagstrum, et al. article in Nature that you referenced is a good one. Just curious to know if you've something specific that refers to the simultaneity you mention? Thanks!

E.P. Grondine
10/16/2018 02:42:23 pm

Hi Jocko -

I'll have to go to my notes to get you a dead on citation.

In the meantime:

http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3656

and

http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3668

are a good start.

Jockobadger
10/16/2018 04:13:49 pm

Thank you, Sir! I look forward to it. I've been intrigued by the 'weather' during that period since this all heated up in, what, 2005, ish? Somewhere in there. A solid geosciences squabble with a goodly dose of catastrophe.

E.P. Grondine
10/17/2018 12:28:08 pm

Hi Jocko -

a brief internet search led to:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379107001849

The hypothesis of a comet impact really got its start with Firestone and Kennett's book "Cycles of Cosmic Catastrophe" in 2007. (Article: http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/104/41/16016.full.pdf?sid=301c9f4) My own book from 2006 had had absolutely no effect.

Firestone is a nuclear chemist with Lawrence Livermore, and he was working through high variations in 14C dates. This data led him to consider impact as a causative factor, and it just so happened that his colleague's son was an archaeologist who specialized in Clovis sites.

I can pretty much show that those 14C variations were due to the production of fast neutrons in moderately sized hypervelocity impacts - it is all really simple quantum mechanics involving photons going to gamma ray energy levels, after all. Due to this fact, the dates in the paper pointed to above all need to be closely re-examined.

You mention CO2 induced global warming . Here is an inconvenient fact that both sides do not talk about at all.
About 20 percent of the US electric supply comes from nuclear plants that are way past their lifetimes.



E.P. Grondine
10/18/2018 11:13:37 am

Hi Bill, Jocko -

I need to make one thing very very clear here for both of you.

We have the data for fast neutron production by the Meteor Crater impact.

This data, the basis for the 14C calibration curves, allows us to pitch out Firestone's initial hypothesis of a nearby supernova as a comet injection mechanism. This data also allows us to look quite sceptically at Chinese physicists hypothesis of the delivery of isotopes by certain impactors.

In the case of Meteor Crater, we have an iron impactor hitting rock. In the case of the Holocene Start Impact Events, the first of them involves a comet fragment hitting ice, while the second is still being worked on.

As I mentioned earlier, it all becomes a simple case of quantum mechanics.

Americancool"Disco"Dan
10/18/2018 09:00:10 pm

Based on Chief's apparent belief that eating human pituitary glands can make people taller and his phrase "a simple case of quantum mechanics" it's time for an enormous grain of salt. Him not know science good.

P.G. Grondine
10/21/2018 12:27:41 am

Hi Jason -

With your language abilities and memory, you easily toss off comments that would take others months of work.

In a book on mammoths illustrated by Dorothy Norton, it was pointed out that many of these mammoth carcasses have radio carbon dates around 10,850 BCE.

What likely happened was that mammoth starving in that particular impact induced climate collapse ventured into hazardous areas that they would have avoided earlier. They met their deaths in them, and normal freezing preserved their bodies.

I feel like I must confess I have never read Ragnorak.I am not looking forward to reading it either.

But then I have never read Velikovsky either. (You can talk with Leroy Ellenberger about him if you are interested.) I am not a catastrophist, and not a neo-catastrophist.

What I do is jack off obsessively to the Land O Lakes butter lady.

Exactly what hit exactly when. Just the data, please.

My introduction to the field was through Timo Niroma, a Finnish climate researcher. Any attempt by Morrison or his colleagues to lump me with Veikovsky, while an inconvenience to me, is doomed to failure

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Uncle Ron
10/13/2018 10:12:56 pm

I have to admit that I get a chuckle every time I read "Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel" (the title, not the book). Fire and Ice could be a romance. Fire and Brimstone could be an adventure. Fire and Blood would be a good bodice ripper. But Fire and Gravel? Sounds like someone is paving their driveway.

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Matt
10/13/2018 11:02:46 pm

"The Age of Fire and Gavel" - a novel about the auction industry.

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Shane Sullivan
10/13/2018 11:25:40 pm

It just goes to show you, if you want your title to be not-lame, you have to make sure *all* of the words are not-lame, not just most of the words. The Worshipful Company of Fishmongers could have told us that.

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Finn
10/15/2018 05:29:04 am

"The Worshipful Company of Fishmongers could have told us that."

Well, they *could* have, but there was a rather unfortunate incident involving a double-booking of a town hall with the Esoteric Order of Dagon, and, well...

Machala
10/14/2018 11:16:40 am

But, but, but, Uncle Ron,
The book is all about getting down to the nitty-gritty of those woolly stories about mammary moths and such. <P>
Maybe the title was misspelled and it should have been "Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Grovel" - a story of corporate power. ( If you don't want to get 'fired' then you must 'grovel' and 'beg' ! )

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Hanslune
10/14/2018 10:40:25 am

Outstanding article - thanks for posting that.

Here is that little darling for you all to read if you prefer the actual book to Jason's more sterile HTML copy.

https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=3CJGP3cBIe0C&hl=en&pg=GBS.PP1



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Brady Yoon
10/14/2018 11:07:07 pm

The original source of the claim seems to be somewhat credible...

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Gareth
1/15/2020 01:27:33 pm

Accept the credible accounts don't actually reference French investigations and said they reference real investigation done for the 1960s through to present.

The real mystery is how can I be flash frozen and then how they can they remain frozen? To be honest it is quite tiresome reading accounts just tried to ignore these facts.

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