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The Copy-and-Paste Mysteries of the Nine Unknown Men

11/10/2015

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I grant you that I often expect too much from fringe writers. I keep expecting that they’ll understand the material that they discuss, have read primary sources, or, at the very least, be able to tell the difference between fiction and nonfiction, if not fiction and fact. So it was with disappointment that I read an article by Brent Swancer in Mysterious Universe today about the alleged Nine Unknown Men of India. This is another one of those giant messes that fringe writers simply take at face value.
The legend of the Nine Unknown Men is kind of stupid on the face of it. According to the modern conspiracy theory, the Indian emperor Ashoka (reigned c. 268 to 232 BCE), terrified that humanity could not handle the truth about technology and aliens, forbade the study of science and created a secret society of nine individuals charged with guarding the secrets of science from the public. These Nine were replaced over the centuries with new members. Among them was Pope Sylvester II, who traveled to India on an unexplained mission. Today, these Nine are the Indian version of the Illuminati, believed to control human history.
 
This would be a fine story if it weren’t for the fact that the story comes from Talbot Mundy’s 1923 adventure novella The Nine Unknown. It’s fiction.
 
Now, that should be the end of the story. But the fringe have an answer for that, arguing that Mundy was actually reporting a genuine legend that had been discussed in the nineteenth century speculations of French occultist Louis Jacolliot, a fellow who was himself no stranger to inventing fake facts, having created the supposedly ancient Agrouchada-Parikchai from scraps of real Indian texts and Freemason conspiracies.
 
According to Mysterious Universe, “Jacolliot stated that the Nine Unknown Men did in fact exist, and this mention of advanced knowledge well before it was ever thought possible, although not concrete evidence of their existence, is certainly eerie.” This fact, most online fringe sources agree, was allegedly reported in Jacolliot’s Occult Science in India (1879). It was not. The English translation contains no trace of it, nor does the original French version. The book contains only one line that might associated with it, attributed to Jacolliot’s fake Agrouchada-Parikchai: “The preservation of this fire should be given in charge to nine Brahmins and their wives.” It’s not the same thing.
 
So where did this claim come from?
 
Like so many dumb fringe ideas, it comes from Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier’s Morning of the Magicians (1960), where you will find almost the entirety of Swancer’s Mysterious Universe article given, almost verbatim, and with the same quotations and “facts.” Heck, the article even ends with the same “fact or fiction?” get out of jail free disclaimer that concludes the chapter in Morning. I can’t say this more plainly: Swancer’s article is as close as one can come to rewriting a chapter of a book and calling it “original” work.
 
Anyway, our Francophone authors provide no sources for their assertions, but they claim that Mundy was the first to report the facts, identifying his book as fiction laced with “scientific inquiry.” We know from Bergier’s letters and other writings that he was a huge fan of Talbot Mundy and, like Blavatsky with Bulwer-Lytton, considered his fiction to have secret and occult hidden meanings. “All mysterious India appears in it,” Bergier wrote of The Nine Unknown, according to Brian Taves’s critical biography of Mundy.
 
I can’t stress enough that almost every iteration of the story found online is a simple rewrite of Morning of the Magicians, usually point for point, in order, and without even a little critical analysis. This is an embarrassment because the copyists don’t realize that the English edition of Pauwels and Bergier re-translated French translations of English originals, so we end up with Mysterious Universe stating:
H.G. Wells once wrote of Asoka in his book Outline of World History, “Among the tens of thousands of names of monarchs accumulated in the files of history, the name of Asoka shines almost alone, like a star.”
This is verbatim from Morning of the Magicians; however, the book in question is Wells’s famous Outline of History, which actually said: “Amidst the tens of thousands of names of monarchs that crowd the columns of history, their majesties and graciousnesses and serenities and royal highnesses and the like, the name of Asoka shines, and shines almost alone, a star.” This is so easy to check that it is simply sad that hundreds of fringe authors, writers, bloggers, and columnists have failed to do so for 55 years. I own an early printing of the book, but it’s online for anyone to read.
 
Given the way Pauwels and Beriger operated, I wouldn’t put it past them to have imagined the nine Brahmins who tend the sacred fire in Jacolliot as being the same as the nine priests of the nine planets (the sun, the moon, and the seven non-earth planets recognized in the 1800s), which were an essential part of his occult system. This they could reasonably conclude as “evidence” of the Nine Unknown Men, though no such term appears in the book. However, Jacolliot wrote dozens of books, and unfortunately Pauwels and Bergier didn’t specify which one they were using. I was unable to find any references to nine men in the Google Books scans of the French editions of Jacolliot’s works, but that isn’t necessarily conclusive. A more generalized search for the French name given for this group, the Neuf Inconnus, returns no relevant results before Pauwels and Bergier either, suggesting that their phrasing is a direct translation from Mundy.
 
Pauwels and Bergier were notorious for borrowing from secondary materials, and Jacolliot appears frequently in one of their obvious inspirations, the works of Helena Blavatsky. In Isis Unveiled, Blavatsky specifically cites Jacolliot as her source for a “sub-brotherhood” of the “occult fraternity” of the Hermetic Brotherhood, the Pitris, whom she called “yet more arcane, perhaps” than the Hermetic sect. Since Pauwels and Bergier don’t specifically say that Jacolliot actually writes about Nine Unknown Men or their particular powers and attributes in any detail—only that “Jacolliot states categorically that the society of the Nine did actually exist” (Jacolliot est formel: la société des Neuf Inconnus est une réalité.)—it is reasonable to think that they read into the claims about an occult fraternity and a priesthood of the nine planets (or, more accurately, of “the nine principle divinities which rule the planets”) a confirmation of Mundy’s more elaborate version. That Blavatsky’s discussion of Jacolliot comes right after an (unrelated) mention of the Emperor Asoka only heightens the feeling that this is where the authors began.
 
Pauwels and Bergier had enormous influence on the fringe, with their chapter serving as the foundation for claims in five decades’ worth of books, many published in India, and the websites that copied shamelessly from one or more of them. Writing in The Stargate Conspiracy (2001), Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince, misunderstanding Morning of the Magicians, asserted that Jacolliot “popularized” the Nine Unknown Men, probably because they got it from a mixed up version of the Pauwels and Bergier account that had been circulating since it was published in 1986 in K. L. Bhowmik’s Culture of the Past (“The legend of Nine Unknown Men was brought to light by Jacolliot, a French writer.”). Either that, or they have terrible reading comprehension.
38 Comments
Nobody Knows
11/10/2015 01:15:27 pm

>>misunderstanding Morning of the Magicians<<

Misunderstanding = formulated Picknett and Prince

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Steve Mash
11/12/2015 01:22:39 am

"Smithsonian Admits to Destruction of Thousands of Giant Human Skeletons in Early 1900′s" Hey Jason, not only did the US Supreme get involved but the Smithsonian openly admits to destroying "tens of thousands" skeletons of GIANTS all over the world because of order from the "higher ups" Read it and weep

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Only Me
11/12/2015 02:21:51 am

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/how-david-childress-created-the-myth-of-a-smithsonian-archaeological-conspiracy

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/where-did-the-smithsonian-hide-its-giant-bones-this-shocking-answer-may-surprise-you

Read them and weep, Steve.

Bob Jase
11/10/2015 01:15:55 pm

IMO Mundy told a damned fine story, I know his work is dated but I still enjoy Jimgrim and all.

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Graham
9/23/2018 11:36:21 pm

You might be interested in knowing that the Nine Unknown have returned to 'pulp fiction' in the Clive Cussler & Boyd Morrisons novel "Shadow Tyrants". Though I suspect the authors are drawing on the 'Morning of the Magicians' iteration rather than the original tale.

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Scott Hamilton
11/10/2015 01:31:38 pm

I've pointed out on several of Swancer's MU articles when he's taken fiction (or possible fiction) as a source, and I've been shocked that his answer is usually along the lines of, "It's not my job to figure out what's true or not, I'm just asking raising possibilities." He's also obviously allergic to primary sources.* He's emblematic of the worst practices of the current crop of fringe writers.

*My favorite example is when he illustrated an article about an alleged sea serpent attack on a WWI U-boat** with a picture of a U-boat flying a Nazi flag! I found the site he stole the picture from and it didn't claim the picture was of that specific U-boat, but he just assumed it was.

**I got really curious about the report, and eventually tracked it back to children's book I had read many times when I was young, which made its way to the web via the old version of the American Monsters website. Though presented as factual, it, and a number of other spectacular sightings, were, as best as I can tell, made up by the author.

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Alaric
11/10/2015 04:30:28 pm

Was the book Warren Smith's STRANGE SECRETS OF THE LOCH NESS MONSTER? That's where I first came across that one, I think.

All the fringe stuff was so much more fun and imaginative in the '70s. Still garbage, still anti-critical thinking, but much more fun. It's all so boring these days.

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Scott Hamilton
11/10/2015 05:25:57 pm

No, the book I'm referring to is Sea Monsters: A Collection of Eyewitness Accounts by James B. Sweeney.

Bottom line, there are two different U-boat/sea serpents stories. The one you read in Strange Secrets of the Loch Ness Monsters was about U28, and it's a legitimate report, at least in the sense that many years after WWI the captain of that boat claimed he had seen a sea serpent in the wreckage of a British ship he torpedoed. He only made the claim after 1933 (i.e. after the Loch Ness Monster became famous), and Mike Dash has done an excellent job proving he didn't make the claim before then, even though he wrote a memoir about his U-boat days.

The story in Sweeney's book is about UB-85, which was a real U-boat that was captured by the British, but in Sweeney's telling the captain of the sub tells the British crew that he was forced to stay on the surface because a sea serpent attacked and damaged his craft. As far as I've been able to tell this story originates with Sweeney, and after I acquired the book it turns out that's far from the least credible story in it. The book is about half well-established stories, and half incredible whoppers with no clear sources, typified by the sea serpents interacting with or even killing people well into recent history. I think only the UB-85 story has ever made it onto the web, probably because UB-85 is at least a verifiably real boat. Some of the other stories so ridiculous that even the most fantasy-addled fringe writer would be given pause, like one about a "Japanese junk" captained by a man named Tokugawa reaching Irish waters in the 18th century, carrying a cargo of mermaids and kappas, along with an Irish priest who had been living in Japan.

terry the censor
11/14/2015 09:29:39 am

> "It's not my job to figure out what's true or not, I'm just asking raising possibilities."

A graduate of the Nick Redfern School of Mystery Mongering.

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Shane Sullivan
11/10/2015 01:40:31 pm

"This fact, most online fringe sources agree, was allegedly reported in Mundy’s Occult Science in India (1879)."

I believe that's supposed to be "Jacolliot's".

On an unrelated not, Ashoka was also figured by Donald A. Mackenzie (in his "Buddhism in Pre-Christian Britain") to be the source of the belief in reincarnation among the Celts. Yeah, Mackenzie was a Buddhist diffusionist nut.

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Platy
11/10/2015 02:03:22 pm

I've actually never read The Stargate Conspiracy, so I'm pretty curious about Picknett and Prince's Nine and Pauwels and Bergier's Nine. Are they supposed to be the same? My only knowledge of the book comes from the general idea as well as some details mentioned in Nick Redfern's Pyramids and the Pentagon (the Nine were apparently pretty racist).
Also, just to throw it out there,when I did look for a connection, I stumble upon this, um, interesting post: http://vlepage.newteam.org/sufis_nine_unknowns.htm

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Platy
11/10/2015 02:24:56 pm

Also, this article brings up the "Nine channeling" as well but connects it to the Simonomicon, so this could be of interest to you.
http://runesoup.com/2012/05/the-seance-that-changed-america/

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Platy
11/10/2015 02:25:50 pm

http://www.amazon.com/The-Nine-Sinister-Forces-Witchcraft/dp/098418581X

Only Me
11/10/2015 02:05:55 pm

I'm honestly surprised the Nine Unknown Men haven't appeared in various fringe circles as further evidence of the New World Order, Reptilian overlords, Nephilim, lost civilizations, etc.

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Platy
11/10/2015 02:13:12 pm

Give it time. :P

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Residents Fan
11/10/2015 02:53:40 pm

"IMO Mundy told a damned fine story, I know his work is dated but I still enjoy Jimgrim and all. "

Yeah, I like Mundy's work as well. It's very well plotted and usually
avoids the cliches of interwar adventure fiction. Somewhat disheartening to see the pseudo-Science crowd stealing one
of his ideas.


While it's not part of the thread topic, I'd just like to point out
that the World Fantasy Convention will no longer be using
HP Lovecraft's image on the award, a subject discussed here in the
past:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/nov/09/world-fantasy-award-drops-hp-lovecraft-as-prize-image

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Platy
11/10/2015 05:43:04 pm

You know, I can see this causing some people to get up in arms, but I have to say, I can see the point of the people who didn't want it. Lovecraft is one of my favorite authors and you can't deny his influence, but it does seem a little awkward basing a trophy off of him given his views. Also, despite his current popularity, I didn't think they would use Lovecraft.

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Platy
11/10/2015 05:46:24 pm

Of course, there's also the issue of Heinlein and Campbell:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-secret-authoritarian-history-of-science-fiction

Mark link
11/11/2015 09:52:17 pm

I agree. I love Lovecraft's work, but I can *absolutely* understand why many people do not, and why they would not want to have a prize in the shape of him.

V
11/12/2015 06:17:49 pm

Platy, I think that you're going to find that EVERY sci-fi/fantasy writer has political views, and that they're views that SOMEONE or other doesn't like and would declare anti-American. For that matter, every FICTION writer who's worth anything has political views that someone doesn't like.

And while HP Lovecraft has been undeniably influential and no one disputes that, other authors both before and after him have been just as influential, so perhaps it's time to show one of these other authors. Heck, set up a rotation and drum up interest at the same time--"This year's trophy will feature....!"

Graham
11/10/2015 07:28:03 pm

My problem with this entire affair was not what was done, but how it was done.

Whoever goes on it now is vunerable to accusations that they were not chosen on the merits, but simply because they were the right gender/orientation.

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Platy
11/10/2015 08:16:05 pm

True, but I guess that could be one of those "wait and see" things. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. After all, the situation seems less about using someone of the "right gender/orientation" and more about how they were using an explicitly bigoted author in a diverse fanbase. Again, regardless of my opinion on the matter, it's still a valid point.
Also, as far as the accusations you mentioned go, I'm pretty sure that will happen even if the next choice is based on merits. Certain sectors of the fandom really are a-holes.

Residents Fan
11/11/2015 02:08:28 am

"Whoever goes on it now is vunerable to accusations that they were not chosen on the merits, but simply because they were the right gender/orientation."

What if they go for a symbol for the WFA instead? It would make
sense, considering fantasy is the literature of symbols. A symbol
like a dragon or a book would be fine for the new WFA.

Cesar
11/10/2015 03:02:49 pm

“After the conclusion of this [Third Buddhist] council, Emperor Asoka sent several missionaries to different countries of the world, for the propagation of newly organized Buddhist faith. The dispatch of Buddhist missionaires represents one of the significant results of this Council. The Mahavamsa, a Sinhalese chronicle, contains the list of nine groups of Asokas’s missionaries to [nine] different parts of the world”.

Promsak Jermsawatdi, Thai Art with Indian Influences, p. 10-11.

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Clete
11/10/2015 03:14:52 pm

Jason, I wish you would stop trying to fool me. When I saw the title "The copy and paste mysteries of the nine unknown men" I thought you were talking about the Republicans running for President and their policies.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
11/11/2015 07:01:37 am

I thought it was the new Wu-Tang album personally.

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Diggity
11/10/2015 09:43:10 pm

Fringe history authors present an excellent study in projectionism. They rant and rave about how acedemia are stuck in a bubble, yet refuse to admit/recognise the fact that they themselves just recycle the same talking points and sometimes copy each other's work. Or in David Hatcher Childress case, he just Colts his own work repeatedly that he in turn stole from dead authors haha.

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Nobody Knows
11/11/2015 04:43:25 am

There really is no black and white distinction between Fringe and Mainstream unless you are absolutely 100% OBJECTIVE which would bring everything to a total standstill.

Theories by mainstream position can be just as batty as theories from the Fringe position - for example the claim that Mount Sinai was Mount Etna,.

Mount Sinai in all probability never existed and was probably a euphemism for something else.

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Anon
11/11/2015 08:05:04 am

It can't have been Ashoka, because it was the Atlanteans who put their technology in the Cave of the Ancients. I know this because Lobsang Rampa wrote it so

http://www.lobsangrampa.org/data/en/The-Cave-of-the-Ancients.pdf

"The Cave of the Ancients - (Originally published in 1963) A small glimpse into past history of the Earth and its inhabitants who hid highly technical equipment which to this day remains hidden. Lobsang with his Guide, the great Lama Mingyar Dondup, get's to visit where this technology is hidden and sees with his own eyes this wondrous equipment. This technology is waiting for those who can use it for the benefit of mankind and that time is drawing near."

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Shane Sullivan
11/11/2015 06:20:21 pm

Yet another tidbit that made it into Technology of the Gods.

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Anon
11/13/2015 03:59:38 am

They definitely had hover boards.

Mike Jones
11/11/2015 09:30:01 am

Lobs an grampa would make a good comic strip.

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Anon
11/11/2015 03:33:45 pm

i was thinking it would be a cracking TV series.

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Mike Jones
11/11/2015 09:41:26 am

Grampa goes on mythic quests and his pet lobster on a leash, "Lobs", gets off of the snarky one liners.

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Nobody Knows
11/11/2015 10:30:09 am

That was Gerard de Nerval who took his pet lobster on a walk attached to a blue ribbon, in the Palais-Royal. He said: "I have a liking for lobsters. They are peaceful, serious creatures, They know the secrets of the sea, they don't bark, and they don't gnaw upon one's monadic privacy like dogs."

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Mike Jones
11/11/2015 09:43:24 am

Sorry, omit the word "of". This blog needs an edit feature.

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JaredMithrandir link
11/11/2015 04:42:02 pm

Terry Melanson is a conspiracy theorist who dies study and udnerstand primary sources.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/tag/bavarian-illuminati/

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skathes
11/11/2015 10:24:18 pm

Gotta give you props Jason. Muddling through the crazy, especially the repetitive crazy, and presenting clear academic proofs is really impressive. Even if it's all off the top of your head it's still an effort of time and cognitive energy. Thanks. You save me a lot if time when I deal with this lunacy. I can click on your links and follow the trail....

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