It turns out that I won’t be on In Search Of to talk about Atlantis after all. I spoke with a segment producer who informed me that the program’s director is an Oscar-nominated auteur with an uncompromising artistic vision for the program. Consequently, they will not accept as a talking head anyone who is unwilling to travel to Europe or a location somewhere in the United States to be filmed according to his exacting creative standards—on a date to be determined at the last minute, depending on the shooting schedule of Zachary Quinto, who will be squeezing the series in between movies. I offered to shoot talking head segments locally here in Albany, using a freelance crew as many shows typically arrange for, since I am not able to leave my infant son or my job behind on a whim, but the auteur said that any shoot where he has less than 100% creative control is unacceptable. So, you heard it here first: This is the first time I’ve ever been rejected from a series for aesthetic reasons! But since I’m on the subject of Atlantis, I thought I’d pick up on something I mentioned briefly the other day. I mentioned that the German scholar Wilhelm von Christ was the first to suggest that the Sea Peoples could be identified with the people of Atlantis. He made this suggestion in 1886, in an omnibus article on “Platonic Studies” in an academic journal. Since I couldn’t find that it had been translated into English, I thought you might enjoy this early attempt to provide a rational explanation for Atlantis in the milieu of the Bronze Age in the eastern Mediterranean. The translation, for better or worse, is my own, though German is not my strongest language. The English text of Proclus, which von Christ gave in the original Greek, I have adapted from a standard English translation. 12. Assorted Thoughts on Plato.
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Brian
2/8/2018 08:44:42 am
I know this is heresy for the classicists, but with all the lost Greek treasures - the other plays of Sophocles, Aeschylus, Aristophanes, and their contemporaries, epic songs contemporary with Homer, etc. - why the hell couldn't the Critias have been lost as well? It would have saved us all so much wasted energy with this idiotic Atlantis stuff and granted one less hook for the nuts to grab hold of. I refuse to call it a myth; it was a story, a parable. Why don't all these Atlantis enthusiasts instead concentrate on looking for Plato's famous cave, where so many poor people have been trapped staring at shadows for thousands of years?
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Americanegro
2/8/2018 09:46:18 pm
The story of Atlantis is a story about a story about a story. Not that different.
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Americanegro
2/9/2018 01:20:36 pm
"Not that different" is trying to be gentle. I can see that to your mind I should have said '"a story about a story about a story" is exactly the same as "a story"'. "Story" of course is the Ancient Greek meaning of μῦθος .
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Americanegro
2/9/2018 04:24:09 pm
YOU are the one who raised the mythos issue.
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V
2/9/2018 08:04:06 pm
....T. Franke, anything presented in a known fictional dialogue must, according to principles of critical thinking, be assumed to be fictional unless other, prior reference to it can be found. We don't assume Hogwarts or Narnia are real for the same reason.
d
2/9/2018 08:54:19 pm
You: "Sigh ... why do you always flee into word-mongering in the end?"
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Hanslune
2/11/2018 01:51:04 pm
How true! Yet others comment on Plato's story so there would still be mention of it - the Roman's commented on the story and a parody play/story about it called Meropis was written too.
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Americanegro
2/11/2018 06:12:01 pm
Let me guess: it's not about Atlantis because the word "Atlantis" doesn't appear in it.
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E.P. Grondine
2/8/2018 09:07:27 am
Hi Jason -
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An Over-Educated Grunt
2/8/2018 09:29:09 am
Does dude know he's making a retread of "In Search Of" for the History Channel? That's like requiring complete artistic control for a middle school play.
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Machala
2/8/2018 10:56:16 am
Jason,
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David Bradbury
2/8/2018 02:39:19 pm
According to Quinto in 'Variety' the series director (and another of the many executive producers) is Eddie Schmidt:
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Machala
2/8/2018 08:55:12 pm
Thanks for the info. I will do a little more digging, before I make any further comment on this 'artiste'. .A search through DGA was not "productive" ( pardon the pun ) but then many of these indie types don't believe in paying guild or union dues, but still want to be called "prosfesionals" !
Jim
2/8/2018 11:20:13 am
It should be interesting to see who they use as a talking head. Probably Alan Butler, Brad Yoon or somesuch " gimme ten minutes and I can be an expert on Atlantis" type.
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ISO Real History
2/8/2018 12:28:55 pm
You should have your own show anyway. These shows don't even pay the talking heads very much as they expect you to benefit from book sales. Since every fringe show for the last 40 years is a rehash of the original In Search Of it will be interesting to see them simply repeat all the same stories that were in the original series just like Ancient Aliens does.
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Bob Jase
2/8/2018 01:49:35 pm
So let me see if I get this straight -
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AC
2/8/2018 02:23:50 pm
Sea peoples were 1200 BC give or take 50 years either side and their origins are all guesswork.
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Americanegro
2/8/2018 02:39:15 pm
If Wikipedia can be believed it was 1200–900 BC.
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Thank you Jason, great work.
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V
2/9/2018 08:07:43 pm
Oh, you are so totally a True Believer, aren't you...
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Magnus
2/8/2018 02:42:01 pm
Well, you can't present the true historical facts without complete artistic freedom. I mean, Atlantis just has to be presented in roses and gold, anything less and people might not believe it!
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Bill
2/9/2018 12:50:15 am
Jason, I think you made a mistake. That's typically how these shows are videotaped. Talking heads are given some notice because the producers must book your travel and accommodations in advance. It is more expensive for them to book a special crew just to film one person in Albany than to fly a talking head to a location where they video interview several people in a single day. I can't imagine that talking to your boss and letting her/him know about it wouldn't gain your boss's cooperation: people at work would probably be excited for you and look forward to seeing you on TV, including your boss. I don't know your family situation--are you a single dad? If so, any parents or relatives who could take the child for two to four days while you are out of town? I'm sure they would be happy to help under these circumstances. Anyway, interesting article about the possible Sea Peoples-Atlantis connection.
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2/9/2018 07:07:35 am
Every production is different. The last one I did sent a crew here to Albany. The one before that shot in Washington, which is close enough that I flew there and back the same day. New York City is only a couple of hours from me, and it's a major media hub. Today you don't need a special crew to do a shoot; a single person with a camera and some lights can do it. Even as far back as when I was in school for broadcasting, I used to have to do it myself. It's just not worth going all the way to Europe to shoot 3 minutes of video!
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Machala
2/9/2018 10:45:33 am
Don't forget that thanks to SKYPE, they can set up a "live" interview with you - not as sexy as a studio but gives a sense of immediacy and broadcast journalism to the piece.
Gerald J Joseph
2/11/2018 10:54:09 am
What is all the confusion about, the civilization we call Atlantis was destroyed when Santorini blew up and ended what we call the Minoan, an Aegean bronze age civilization.
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Hanslune
2/11/2018 07:31:41 pm
Howdy Frank
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Hanslune
2/11/2018 07:45:33 pm
Franke why do you reject the work of Emil Forrer? Wasn't he a true believer like yourself?
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Hanslune
2/12/2018 10:25:42 am
Yes believing in stories IS utter nonsense.
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Americanegro
2/12/2018 01:01:39 pm
You can't say it's an open question and say you think you have the answer at the same time. But as you correctly imply the onus is on you to provide an answer. The denier's role is much simpler, "No".
Hanslune
2/12/2018 01:05:17 pm
In other words you believe something and it must be true.
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Hanslune
2/12/2018 01:39:49 pm
Franke you get so testy when you get shown you are wrong.
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Americanegro
2/12/2018 02:31:25 pm
But you're okay with Tertullian taking Plato literally and believing in Atlantis.
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Americanegro
2/12/2018 04:10:14 pm
"He glorified his victories in Gaul, and omitted what was not so pleasant." Wow! COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM EVERYONE ELSE WHO EVER WROTE ABOUT THEMSELVES.
Bob Jase
2/12/2018 03:27:52 pm
So once again we will 'learn' that Atlantis was real just as Plato wrote except that it was in a different place at a different time inhabited by a different epople with a different civilization.
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Hanslune
2/12/2018 04:59:38 pm
Yep and the description of Atlantis with it huge constructions was really just a metaphor for a small fishing village off the southern coast of Sicily......or somethin. lol
nomuse
2/16/2018 09:56:45 pm
What was the one about if you just change the date, the location, the gender, and the moral character then Cleopatra was the real King Arthur?
Hanslune
2/12/2018 03:07:10 pm
What I cannot make up stuff and pretends it real?
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Frank
6/22/2018 12:14:32 pm
Atlantis is real... no it's not.... yes it is.... no it's not..... yes it is...... It sounds to me that this scene from the magnificent 7 puts this Atlantis matter in the correct perspective. Words will never determine who is right. And this calling the other a liar will only be resolved when it's for real. But then someone will really get hurt by the truth. One of these days Atlantis will show up where it is least likely to be found. But only when Plato reincarnates in our times to finish his Critias, and writes the Hermocrates, and the Philosopher dialogues.
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Hanslune
6/22/2018 01:12:43 pm
Great film TMS
Frank
6/23/2018 03:18:56 am
Dear Hanslue,
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Hanslune
6/23/2018 10:55:23 am
As noted earlier: Endless mental masturbation over Atlantis your response is an excellent example of this.
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Frank
6/24/2018 08:02:57 am
Hanslue,
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