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The Fringe Is Really Excited about a Translation of a 2015 Danish Article about Runes in Sweden

6/2/2016

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This past week Red Ice Creations, the fringe radio and web network with a penchant for hosting white nationalist figures, posted a machine translation of a Danish article from last year which described academic research into isolated Swedish communities that continued to use an archaic tongue related to Old Norse and to write in runes down to 1906 or so. This article caused quite a stir on social media for a mixture of rather incoherent reasons, ranging from Aryan supremacists who lauded medieval Aryan culture surviving against the onslaught of non-Aryan influence from the south, to fringe historians who seemed to read into the story proof of a vast conspiracy of uncertain dimension.
​“You know the habits of the anonymous skeptics who will be absolutely silent about an article like this that they can't assail,” fringe figure Scott Wolter said on his blog. “This is exactly what I've been trying to articulate (not very well apparently) for a long time; that there is essentially a government mandate in Sweden that the Kensington Rune Stone is a hoax.”
 
Wolter’s logic escapes me; evidence that runes were in use in the early 1900s should make it more likely, not less, that the Kensington Rune Stone could have been faked. (Personally, I’d say it’s irrelevant since the likely hoaxers weren’t part of this isolated rural community in the parish of Älvdalen, nor did they write the Rune Stone in Elfdalian, the community’s well-known and well-studied language.) The only connection to a conspiracy is that the Swedish government long had a policy of encouraging the use of standardized Swedish among speakers of Elfdalian, but even this is now changing. Älvdalen, for example, runs its kindergarten entirely in Elfdalian to help its children speak the language.
 
I’m also unsure why skeptics would want to “assail” academic research into the use of runes among speakers of Elfdalian around the turn of the twentieth century. This kind of discovery is pretty much exactly what I would have expected. It was, after all, the last period before modern transportation and communication systems, and the flattening effect they had on local cultures and traditions. It was in this period that James Frazer’s Golden Bough, Edwin Sidney Hartland’s Legend of Perseus, and similar ethnographic omnibuses catalogued thousands of local survivals of medieval and antique customs, preserving them in amber just before they vanished forever. The use of runes is entirely of a piece with the broader survival of medieval and early modern ways of life in the more isolated extremities of Europe.
 
I checked the academic literature, and I found discussions of the use of runes in Älvdalen dating back as far as I cared to look. References occurred in the eighteenth century in the works of Johan Ihre and also Carolus Linnaeus and in academic papers published from the 1970s to today. This isn’t, in other words, new information. The only new(ish) claim is that the use of runes lasted past 1900 instead of dying out a decade or two earlier.
 
Anyone with academic integrity might have tried doing a literature search before accusing academia and skeptics of trying to hide the facts.
 
But since we’re talking about forgotten survivals from the past, this is as good a time as any to share a very interesting bit of nineteenth century reportage about the survival of Greek mythology among the peasants of Greece, people who had barely been touched by the coming of Orthodoxy and then the Ottomans over the course of millennia:
We may consider the existence of the modern saints, as representatives of the ancient gods, under three separate heads. First, those whose names and attributes have been but slightly changed, and amongst these we will first consider St. Dionysios as the modern representative of the god Dionysus. This is particularly noticeable on the island of Naxos, which was in antiquity the recognized home of the great wine-god, and where the ruins of his great temple are still to be seen. Place-names, too, point to the ancient cult: one of the mountains on Naxos is still called Koronon, recalling the name of Koronis, the nymph, and the infancy of Dionysus, and the name of the best wine on the island is ‘the wine of Dionysos.’ The continuity of the myth is embodied in a legend now told on Naxos about St. Dionysios, to the following effect. The saint was on a journey from the monastery on Mount Olympus to his home on Naxos. By the way he saw a pretty plant, which he wished to take with him; so to protect it from the heat of the sun he put it into the leg of a bird. Having proceeded further, he was surprised to find the plant so rooted in the bone that he could not remove it, so he put it, bone and all, into the bone of a lion; again the same miracle occurred, so he put his treasure into the leg-bone of an ass. On reaching Naxos he found the plant had rooted itself into all the bones, so he planted them all. From this came the first vine, from which the saint made the first wine. When he had drunk a little, he became as gay as a bird; when he had drunk more, he became as strong as a lion; and when he had drunk too much, he became as stupid as an ass.
 
In some cases the sex of the god has been changed, from the fact, doubtless, that the Madonna was supposed to contain in herself all the female attributes; consequently we find in the island of Keos St. Artemidos instead of Artemis, a goddess who was much worshipped here in antiquity, as is proved by the numerous figures of the fructifying Ephesian goddess which have been found in the island. Now St. Artemidos is the patron of weakly children, who have been ‘struck by the Nereids,’ as the saying goes. His church is some way out of the town, on the hill slopes; and thither a mother takes her sickly child, strips off its clothes, and puts on new ones, leaving the old ones for the priest; and when it recovers, she lights a candle to St. Artemidos, unconscious that by so doing she is perpetuating the archaic worship of Artemis…
The above text comes from a review of J. Theodore Bent’s The Cyclades; Or, Life Among the Insular Greeks (1885). Incidentally, Bent reported that on Naxos he found families that still spoke Italian, five centuries after Italian rule of the island ended before the Turkish onslaught. Medieval survivals are easy to find if you know where to look for them.
 
I found one of Bent’s popular articles on the subject of the survival of Greek mythology (promotion for his book, really), and if I have the time, I’ll try to put it up in my Library later today and update the post when it is ready. [Update: Here it is.]
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Shane Sullivan
6/2/2016 02:18:12 pm

I seem to recall reading about those Naxian families who still spoke Italian. I believe they were called the Very Old Folk... =P

By the way, I just noticed that post on your Twitter feed. I caught the tail end of that Ancient Astronauts program, and it seems to have been a re-labelling of the Codes and Conspiracies episode you appeared on.

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Bob Jase
6/2/2016 02:55:20 pm

Relabeling an old show and pretending its a new one? Never! Using 99.9% old footage with a new voice over and music, well that's a different matter.

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Shane Sullivan
6/2/2016 05:38:47 pm

Actually, even "re-labelling" is probably too strong a word, since the episode of Codes and Conspiracies was titled "Ancient Astronauts".

Kal
6/2/2016 04:25:28 pm

It is confusing madness with SW and his obsession with the KRS. The KRS IS a FAKE. It has been proven to be a hoax, yet he keeps harping on it, like somehow by saying it a lot it will become not a hoax.

How does he have secret knowledge of anything other than fostered by lack of some kind of meds that keep him from seeing patterns in made up things?

Sure there is a rock, but the local guys carved on it and made up the runes. The message is pretty much gibberish. He can claim anything.

So the whole reasoning is faulty if the stone is utterly a fake. He has no story.

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MPE
6/2/2016 04:55:26 pm

It's absolutely not a fake. It contained runes that @ the time were unknown but have sense been found on Gotland. The root leaching I think it's called on the stone are impossible to fake as well the the weathering.

Something like 9 People swore they were there when it was pulled from the ground, of course their all part of the lie right.

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Zena
6/2/2016 05:35:17 pm

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Kensington.shtml

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
6/2/2016 06:59:41 pm

The comments on Jason's blog entry from May 29 contain some interesting remarks by a geologist named Harold Edwards, who has examined the stone and says it's not nearly weathered enough to be as old as it's claimed to be.

orang
6/2/2016 07:01:55 pm

I read Scott Wolter's two books on the KRS and believe that they are probably his "best" work, or least bad work, depending on how you look at it. I now put the KRS into my "gray basket", allowing that there is still a chance that it is real. However, it is a bit much to believe that its discoverer, Mr. Ohman, just happened to be Nordic, just happened to be a stone mason, and just happened to be knowledgeable about runes.

Joe Scales
6/2/2016 10:32:21 pm

The "unknown" runes were found in a 19th century manuscript which Swedish tradesmen used for code (the Larsson Papers). The "root leaching" wasn't caused by roots, but more likely years of water flow wherever this rock was originally situated before it was cut. As for who was there when it was pulled out of the ground, there were only four people who were there or (most importantly) arrived "shortly thereafter". These four include Ohman, two of his rather young children, and a neighbor.

Check your sources next time MPE. If Wolter is one of them, you're being fed bad information and bad science.

Henrik Williams link
6/3/2016 04:17:22 am

No it does NOT contain any runes typical for Gotland, nor do any of the KRS-specific runes appear in Gotlandic inscriptions. See my article "The Kensington Runestone: Fact and Fiction", p. 16 (http://uu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:543322/FULLTEXT01.pdf).

The only way of deciding the authenticity of the KRS is to stick to facts, not allegations.

Time Machine
6/3/2016 05:05:20 am

"The only way of deciding .... authenticity .... is to stick to facts, not allegations."

That knocks Parapsychology on the Head and centuries of phoney Biblical scholarship.

Time Machine
6/3/2016 05:08:52 am

One of the current big names into Christian origins is Larry W. Hurtado.

He's just a child and an innocent. All he knows is Waltons stuff.

Time Machine
6/3/2016 06:04:29 am

The Rational Response Squad
http://www.rationalresponders.com/

Become a real sceptic !!

Rose McDonald
6/2/2016 07:40:11 pm

Maybe Wolter copied his runes from Tolkien.

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David Krein
6/2/2016 10:55:37 pm

SW can bloviate all he wants to on his blog about the KRS, its a moot point as KRS did not pass the scientific method analysis.

He lost his TV show so hopefully this will all quietly die away.

I got my Science degree in the 70's and I've seen over the years Science accept and change their views once theories have become fact, after the scientific method applied brought forward more facts so I don't see a conspiracy.

Jason has poked so many holes in SW/KRS that this it is getting ad nauseam.

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Time Machine
6/3/2016 06:05:34 am

The Rational Response Squad
http://www.rationalresponders.com/

Become a real sceptic !!
Analyse and research the facts without any Christian prejudices !!

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An Over-Educated Grunt
6/3/2016 08:53:05 am

Somewhere in an attic there's a picture of you becoming more relevant.

Time Machine
6/4/2016 10:00:31 am

Shut up!

David Krein
6/4/2016 10:06:20 am

To An Over-Educated Grunt:
"Somewhere in an attic there's a picture of you becoming more relevant."

Haha! Got it!

Book "Picture of Dorian Gray." by author Oscar Wilde.

JoJo
6/3/2016 12:36:10 pm

There is a huge association between racist notions and the "Norse" coming to America. In mid to late nineteenth century New England there was a movement associated with Horsford who built the Norumbega Tower in Boston. Horsford even excavated colonial stone foundations and tried to call them Viking. This movement was comprised of wealthy New Englander's and included famous poet Longfellow and others. The stated aim of this group was to prove that Norse had come and settled New England in an attempt to discredit Columbus etc. This political sentiment did still exist at the time of the Kensington's Stone's discovery. This same group were basically the ones who began to also promote the Newport Tower as being Norse in origins as well. Some of this mythology may have also been developed to bolster the English's claim to New England over the Spanish. I think it is kind of interesting because this is mythology being used to advance a political agenda. Some of the modern overtones of what we see in this genre and field of interest indicates these concepts are used in this manner. I'm not saying Wolter is a racist but he certainly is helping out those who have those views. Too bad he isn't using a real Rune to make his point. The entire "ritual" is playing itself out just as originally planned.......

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