If you’ve been following archaeologist Andy White’s blog, you’ll have read some very important pieces this week on giants and their relationship to hoaxes and misidentified mastodon and mammoth bones. I’d like to expand on White’s terrific research by pointing out the way it undercuts a foundational claim made by the gigantologists. In order to do so, we need to make a distinction that gigantologists aren’t often willing to do: We need to establish what we mean by a “giant.” According to gigantologists, this can be anyone six feet tall and up. However, to classify claims for skeletons of six, nine, twelve, and eighteen feet as all part of the same continuum is to close the door to seeking alternative explanations for each group. For our purposes, I would like to propose that there is no one explanation for every giant report and therefore we can and should consider “giants” as catch-all term for a variety of phenomena, much the way that the category “UFO” contains a plethora of phenomena, not least hoaxes. Anyway, in our taxonomy of giants, we can dispense with six foot tall people since they have nothing special or even remarkable about them, falling as they do under normal human height. As Andy White has shown, the seven and eight foot skeletons are often the result of incorrect height estimates derived from outdated formulae for calculating height from femur length. This does not exclude the occasional seven to eight foot person, since such heights are known from historical and contemporary individuals, but it does cut down significantly on the number of such cases, casting doubt on the “race” of giants. OK, so much for them. What we have left to deal with are the really big giants, the ones who are more than nine feet high. On Search for the Lost Giants, Jim Vieira states more than once that skeptics have attempted to unfairly undermine his claims about giants by suggesting that such bones belonged to paleomegafauna like mastodons and mammoths, as has been documented from Old World “giants” like the 19-foot-high giant of Lucerne, later shown to be a fossil elephant, and the famous 25-foot-high Teutobacchus Rex, the bones of a great barbarian king later shown to also be a fossil elephant. Greg Little has frequently attacked me for my investigations into giants, and he sums up the most important objection to this identification of extra-large skeletons with megafauna bones in an article published this summer: “In addition, there is not a single case where one of the old newspaper reports about the so-called giant skeletons was found to be a misidentified mastodon or mammoth bone, which has been a feeble attempt by a blogger to avoid the facts.” In many cases we can infer that the bones described are those of megafauna, but it is true that there is rarely enough evidence to prove it. Oh, how delicious it is that Andy White and Kevin Smith have both identified just such a case where newspaper reports of a “giant” were investigated and admitted to be a mastodon. The initial reports, from the fall of 1845, are indistinguishable from other so-called giant reports. Here’s some representative reportage from the Cleveland Herald on September 10: We are informed on the most reliable authority that a person in Franklin county, Tennessee, while digging a well, a few weeks since, found a human skeleton, at the depth of fifty feet, which measures eighteen feet in length. […] The finder had been offered eight thousand dollars for it, but had determined not to sell it any price until first exhibiting it for twelve months. He is now having the different parts wired together for this purpose. (Note: I’ve added the full text of all of the articles discussed in this post to my page on giants in newspapers.) In 1845, $8,000 was worth around $250,000 in today’s money. The initial news reports, however, erred in mistaking the site of the discovery—near the town of Franklin in Williamson County—for Franklin County, in another part of the state entirely. A local physician examined the bones and declared them those of a human being. They were “restored” by that esteemed anatomist to take the form of a giant human skeleton (a new skull and pelvis were supplied) and put on display, despite an offer of $50,000 for the bones. The Tennessee House of Representatives passed special legislation to exempt exhibitions of bones like these from the $50 public exhibition tax, and the skeleton itself was frequently mentioned in legislative debate—though one indication that all was not well could be found in the wording of the law, which granted an exemption for “the skeleton or fossil remains of animals.” Sure enough, when an expert, the natural scientist Dr. William Carpenter, came to town the next year to look at the skeleton, he quickly revealed it to be that of a mastodon. “At a glance it was apparent that it was nothing more than the skeleton of a young mastodon, (one of Godman’s Tetracaulodons, with sockets for four tusks.)” As White and Smith report, Carpenter described the exhibition of the rebuilt “giant” in the American Journal of Science: The artificial construction was principally in the pelvis and head; and take it as thus built up, with its half human, half beast-like look, and its great hooked incisive teeth, it certainly must have conveyed to the ignorant spectator a most horrible idea of a hideous, diabolical giant, of which he no doubt dreamed for months. To one informed in such matters it really presented a most ludicrous figure. This incident tells us a number of things: First, that Greg Little is wrong. Second, that the physicians of the nineteenth century weren’t familiar enough with fossils to identify them. And third, that we can’t take at face value what we read in nineteenth century newspapers. If physicians could mistake a mastodon for a human, what credence can we put in similar stories from other newspapers? In short, this incident provides a good case study in the ways that a biblical worldview, scientific illiteracy, and sensationalism distort data and help create a phenomenon of giants out of misunderstood and often unrelated data points.
In this, there is a close parallel to modern UFO reports. As I discussed in the journal Paranthropology last year, the various aspects of the modern UFO myth, from lights in the sky to visitations by strange creatures, all became folded into one overarching myth even though they once had nothing to do with one another. Here, too, the giant myth takes in a wide range of skeletal anomalies of various stripes, along with Mound Builder myths, diffusionism, and Biblical literalism and marries these unrelated parts into one overarching story. So powerful is this myth that the very idea of giants becomes a lens for interpreting the past, even against the evidence, in effect replacing evidence. As an example, let’s take Lord Pakal (or Pacal) of Palenque, whose body (or what is believed to be it, anyway) was excavated from his tomb in 1952. The skeleton measured about 162 cm, around 5 foot 4. So how do we explain David Hatcher Childress’s assertion that Pakal was “said to have been nine feet tall” in Lost Cities of North & Central America (1992)? Even Jacques Vallée, writing in Passport to Magonia (1969), exaggerated Pacal’s height, saying that the king was six feet tall and therefore a giant who towered over the five-foot Maya—citing evidence from the racist fabricator Pierre Honoré that the king was white and the god Kukulkan. There is a persistent idea that greatness manifests physically, not just intangibly, and therefore great men were very tall and the great peoples who did great things must also have been giants. Such a belief goes back to Greece, at least, and the idea that the heroes of old were giants. What’s so odd is that this belief in what one website calls “greater ancestors” seemingly contradicts the Biblical notion that the giants were evil, or at least outside of God’s grace. That such a conflation long existed is well known: The Targum Jonathan (at Numbers 21:33-35) reported, for example, that Moses was himself a towering giant of ten cubits (15 feet)! So popular was this belief that the medieval Cluniac monk Peter the Venerable wrote an argument against the idea (Against the Inveterate Obduracy of the Jews 5). Somehow, though, a large number of people are still looking to find proof that the ancestors were great, and if they cannot find that in their words and deeds—suffused as they are with ignorance, prejudice, and cruelty—then they will find greatness physically.
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EP
12/19/2014 05:27:55 am
"Somehow, though, a large number of people are still looking to find proof that the ancestors were great, and if they cannot find that in their words and deeds... then they will find greatness physically."
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Clint Knapp
12/19/2014 05:57:10 am
I would argue that this is where the hyperdiffusionists come into play. Between the frequent need for giants to have red hair and the obvious correlation that has with the insistence that Vikings made it further inland than the archaeologically provable sites on the Canadian coast and say... the Vieira's insistence "giants" can be as small as six feet tall, it's very easy to make the case that American giants of all stripes must therefore be European in origin. At least, if one is an unscrupulous huckster looking to make a buck off the ill-informed.
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EP
12/19/2014 06:04:15 am
But that is only one (very specific) kind of gigantological view (which I am not sure who holds). 12/19/2014 06:18:54 am
I would agree that the emphasis on the "giants" being a separate race from the Native Americans is designed (symbolically at least) to make them plausible relatives of Euro-Americans, much the same as the re-creation of the Solutreans as "white" by fringe believers in a lost Solutrean utopia in America.
Clint Knapp
12/19/2014 06:22:43 am
True. I'm mostly considering Lovelock Cave adherents like David Childress who have strongly implied in the past (though not always, as Childress is wont to change his tune for the right amount of jingle) that those "giants" were Vikings by virtue of the red hair farce.
EP
12/19/2014 07:01:17 am
Relatives aren't quite the same as ancestors. While myths of the former may certainly prop up various claims of entitlement and superiority, they aren't myths of one's tribe's "mighty warriors of old", exactly. 12/21/2014 02:41:34 pm
Hey Jason, this is some great stuff! I had been perusing Andy White's blog and wow..., this one is a game changer-- Thanks to Kevin E Smith. I think it shows pretty good proof now that some of these reports of the really big giants, "uber class" , 12, 15 -20 footers were been based in part on Mastodon & megafaunal remains. We knew for quite some time that was the case in Europe (Adrienne Mayor et al) and Cotton Mather's early account in N. America in the early 18th century. But a mid 19th century Newspaper giant turning into an Elephant man is a rather telling case!
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Only Me
12/21/2014 04:28:36 pm
I would also think one should use some caution when relying solely on newspaper accounts and township reports. Without the actual remains to examine, what we're left with is speculation.
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EP
12/21/2014 04:42:56 pm
What about (semi-)bipedal dinosaurs?
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Micah Ewers
12/21/2014 05:07:18 pm
EP: Good point! Dinosaurs certainly make some sense.
Micah Ewers
12/21/2014 06:54:10 pm
But if anything, a complete skeleton measured in situ, solves the question of stature, and is usually a much better proxy for estimating full stature than from a single femur or tibia etc. For instance, You have some wildly different proportions among individuals. Take Michael Phelps, at 6 ft 4 with the legs of a 5-11 man and the back of a 6 ft 8 man, or Shaq O'Neal who at 7'1" has the legs and feet of an 8 ft 1 man. (45 inseam, size 23 shoe). A single femur from anyone of these guys would throw off estimates by 5 inches to a 1 foot.
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Engineer
11/22/2015 02:15:32 am
Hey look a Michael Heiser POS loser get a life dude and quit posting pseudo-archaeology. You do know that both Chris White and Michael Heiser are religious dumbshits.... For example: Eloh, Elohim is not the Trinity since its usage goes back into polytheistic Hebrews aka EL, Yahweh, Ashtoreth. All these loser debunkers out there making money off of good hard working folks ripping them off and shunning others. Ivory Tower dogma even though alternative theorists do use SCIENCE CORRECTLY ASSHOLE.
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Engineer
11/22/2015 02:25:07 am
Lots of mainstreamers that rely on pop-culture, doomsdayers, and skeptics to use against others. Like the bullshit about Bill and Jim Veira they use real methods and they are not out to fool anyone so fat fuck Jason Colavito get another job that doesnt involve sucking another person off ie Heiser with his Paleo-Babbling, terrible translations, and crappy PDF files to explain his side with has lots of holes. Have a good one little dork!
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6/26/2018 06:32:55 am
I do believe this to be the most flagrant dismissal one could dream up, "The seven and eight foot skeletons are often the result of incorrect height estimates derived from outdated formulae for calculating height from femur length." Apart from not wanting to look through possibly 10,000 such journalistic articles, county reports, Smithsonian research reports, and peer review articles, you could have just locked yourself in a closet. . . Next, . . . Let's now get to the Strawman, ad hominem attack against the concept of "Greater Ancestry" which you liken to ancestor worship, . . . far from it. Greater Ancestry started with the animal kingdom and an observable biological trend of declining maturity opposite of Cope's Law/Rule. If you have ever seen a Cave Lion skull or ever visited a museum you can observe "Greater Ancestry". It has nothing to do with equating the deeds of that lion with greatness. . . heh. To dismiss greater ancestry you simply take about 98% of the fossil record and trash it by mislabeling extinct, then claim validity with a Fallacy-of-Authority. The tallest people in the world are around 8 foot and some are of unnatural height. 3 people, 3 people on our planet is all that exist in the eight foot range. Over a thousand people have been documented historically to be over 9 foot tall. We live in modern times and the evidence points to all all life degenerating, and increasing in genetic load. (not evolving) It would very easy for people who live now to arrogantly believe that "we" are superior, that we are a more capable witness than the people of the past. I would say that some have too much faith in "weaker-descendants". There is a psychological reward if the group you praise (modern people) includes yourself. Greater Ancesry does NOT involve ancestor worship, just a well connected observable reality.
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STAN MATHIS
9/23/2022 10:39:30 pm
I think the evidence is clear that there was either a race or social class of elite humans, especially in the case the case of the mound and pyramid builders in the Americas. Never mind the newspaper articles and the Smithsonian field journals, there are eye witness accounts from the first American explorers that describe the heights of some of these giants, given, Europeans were much shorter back then, however, they describe some of the tribesmen being nearly twice in height as themselves. Hernando De Soto similarly described encountering the Chief of the Mobile Indians, Tuscaloosa, who was so massive that their horses could carry his weight. Only their pack mules could carry him, however, the chiefs legs were so long that his toes touched and dragged on the ground as he was being escorted. In a later event, they describe fleeing oncoming warriors how came rushing out through the trees. One of the warriors was so frighteningly tall they said he must’ve been like a Pharisee from the Bible. Also, the establishment height given for lord Pacal is stated to be 5’4”, despite his megalithic sarcophagus measuring 12’ tall by 7’ wide with an enclosure large enough to fit a man surpassing 7’ tall. It makes one wonder why the initial reports of all of these different giant findings are later dismissed as average. You say that the femurs of elephants and dinosaurs were often misclassified as human giants, but I wonder what your thoughts are on the intact remains of giant human skulls. There are legitimate reports of these skulls with massive craniums large enough that they fit over a person’s head. Of course, many of these skulls go missing from the very “prominent” museums and institutions that originally housed them, saying that there was a mix up and they got misplaced. The cover up is real,
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