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The Giants of Thera: A Case of Repeated Copying

12/23/2014

48 Comments

 
Back on Friday, I wondered what happened to the scheduled episode of Ancient Aliens, “The Great Flood,” that was supposed to air but was replaced at the last minute with another episode, “Alien Messages.” It turns out that H2’s parent network, History, is using that episode as a stopgap to help boost their lucrative Tuesday lineup—and promote their upcoming Bible-themed Revelation TV movie. Regular readers will remember that Curse of Oak Island has been doing gangbusters business on History’s Tuesday night at 9 PM ET, while its 10 PM follow-up, Search for the Lost Giants, routinely lost between a third and half of the show’s viewers. This past week, now that Giants is over, History tried plugging the hole with reruns of Pawn Stars, but this did even worse. Oak Island scored 2.47 million viewers at 9 PM, but Pawn Stars fell to 0.98 million viewers at 10 and 0.94 million at 10:30—a decline of around 50% from Giants’ last outing. It doesn’t take a genius to see why History is scrambling to staunch the bleeding on Tuesday with a known quantity.
So, lo and behold, it is a Christmas miracle! While I won’t be watching live tonight, I’ll be reviewing Ancient Aliens tomorrow instead of when it airs again on H2 on Friday. This works out better for me, frankly, since it’s tough to do both Ancient Aliens and America Unearthed in real time two nights in a row.

Over on Scott Wolter’s blog, many readers have likely seen that Wolter has invited “skeptics” to “reach deep into their bag of BS” and come “play” with him by asking questions on his blog because, he said, his case for Chinese voyages to America is so strong he can’t imagine any “valid criticism” of his investigation. I’ve taken him up on his offer and asked very specific questions about the allegedly pre-Columbian Chinese maps of the Americans, which he answered politely but without any supporting facts. You can follow the conversation as it progresses here.

So much for business. On to the topic for today.

Yesterday I was researching some material on giants because I’m collecting more examples of European accounts of “giant” skeletons unearthed in circumstances similar to those of the United States. It’s my suggestion—albeit one I have yet to prove—that one of the reasons that the myth of giants took off in the United States is because in the 200 years or so before the Victorian giant craze, the Europeans went through a similar one and that this craze, preserve as it were in the literature read by nineteenth century Americans, gave shape to their understanding of large (or largish) bones found in the United States. OK, so that’s the theory. In looking for the material I found some strange stuff. First, I discovered that Harold T. Wilkins is a plagiarist. That’s to be expected since I already showed how he misused material about the “double rows of teeth” he wrongly attributed to the Talmud. But now I’ve discovered that his discussion of Classical material on giants appearing on page 45 of Secret Cities of Old South America is a near-verbatim duplicate of the same passage from Helena Blavatsky’s Secret Doctrine, on page 278 of the linked edition. Wilkins follows Blavatsky point for point and never acknowledges the source, even when he copies her citations of material he’s clearly never read.

This led me to Blavatsky’s citation of “de Mirville’s Pneumatologie,” which she says quotes the Abbé Pègues in a work called The Volcanoes of Greece. She then translates de Mirville’s version of Pègues to the effect that “in the neighbourhood of the volcanoes of the isle of Thera, giants with enormous skulls were found laid out under colossal stones, the erection of which must have necessitated everywhere the use of titanic powers, and which tradition associates in all countries with the ideas about giants, volcanoes and magic.”

Fascinating—if there were truth to this quotation, which appears in many fringe works that copy from Blavatsky uncritically, largely because the original sources have (to the best of my knowledge) never been translated into English. What a mess it was untangling this!

So we start with the source, volume 2 of the spiritualist Marquis Jules de Mirville’s book Pnematologie (1854—but I have only seen the 1863 edition), in a chapter of which the author tries to make the case that giants were real and that large standing stones and heavy ancient monuments are proof of their reality. There, the author writes something a bit different than Blavatsky gives it, if I may translate from the French:
One could even say that Philostratus, Pliny, Plutarch and Pausanias would be completely justified in the present time, with respect to all their Greek giants, as long as we agree not to dress up as an execrable forger one of our most respectable apostolic missionaries, Father Pegues, who, in his curious work on the Volcanoes of Greece, says that close to those of the island of Thera were found the bodies of giants with enormous heads, lying close to (auprès de) these huge stones, the erection of which seems to have necessitated everywhere the use of gigantic forces which all the traditions everywhere associate with the ideas of giants, volcanoes and magic. (emphasis in original)
Note that de Mirville was not actually quoting Pègues, as Blavatsky had claimed. Tracing back from here becomes a bit more difficult because Pègues did not write a book called The Volcanoes of Greece. Instead, after much searching, I learned that he had in fact written a book called (in English) The History and Phenomena of the Volcano and Volcanic Islands of Santorini in 1837, though the edition I saw was from 1842. There, Pègues offers a fascinating glimpse into the world of early nineteenth century gigantology. However, for our purposes, I’d like to focus on the specific material that found its way into Blavatsky. It’s interesting to see the mistakes that filtered down. Here is the relevant passage in my translation, which I admit is a little rough, but you will get the idea:
Now here is something that has to excite curiosity: the discovery of an enormous skeleton found [on Thera, modern Santorini] three or four years ago by a winemaker, on the side of Apano Meria in a field that he was clearing of stones. According to the report that was given to me in 1835 by an inhabitant of the city, Nicolaki son of Maure, it had to be eight to nine feet in length. The head was of enormous size, but in proportion to the rest of the bones. Time did not permit me to question the author of the discovery to obtain accurate information and make sure of the truth of a fact that deserves more fame, for the peasant was ignorant and indifferent to the object, which he read only as bones, and having paid a moment of physical admiration, immediately covered up the extraordinary skeleton with a few feet of earth and continued the clearing he had started. 
So how did our skeleton become pluralized and possessed of large stone tombs? Here de Mirville is to blame. De Mirville combined the details of this “giant” find with historical data that Pègues presented afterward. To support the credibility of the hearsay testimony, Pègues quoted a certain Father Richard from 1656 as having found on Santorini an arm bone and a lower jaw of enormous size, the jaw weighing six pounds. Father Richard went on to say that the men had to have been larger than modern men in order to lift the stones that made Thera’s buildings—ancient Greek and Minoan structures. Although Pègues scoffed at the learned scholars who dismissed this bone as that of a large animal, it was almost certainly a fossil elephant bone. To this he appends another account, from 1811, in which the French vice-consul, Guillaume Alby, found what he said was an above average sized skull at “St. Stephen,” which if I understand correctly refers to Mesa Vuono, where the church of St. Stephen stands. Pègues attributed all of the bones to the Phoenicians and the escaping Canaanite giants, fleeing from the Israelites.

De Mirville ran all three accounts together and presented them as though they were one find, and he conflated Father Richard’s observation about ancient buildings with the farmer’s clearing of stones two centuries later to turn the accounts into a story of many giants found with the large stones of the buildings, rather than just a rocky field. Blavatsky completed the process by translating gisant auprès de (“lying close to” or “lying near”) as “laid out under,” suggesting an intentional entombment that was not present in de Mirville, Pègues, or Father Richard. 
48 Comments
EP
12/23/2014 03:47:39 am

"I most certainly can make all the assertions I want based upon my knowledge and experience with the subject matter along with using simple logic."

I must say, this is my favorite sentence from the entire corpus of Scott Wolter! :)

"the level of detail and accuracy exhibited in the maps indicates a long, and likely very intriguing history in their creation that no doubt goes back hundreds of years if not longer."

And, of course, Wolter doesn't get cartography. Or scientific progress. So much for his "knowledge and experience"...

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Matt Mc
12/23/2014 03:57:48 am

To Wolter's credit however he is being very respectful and civil.

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EP
12/23/2014 04:41:46 am

I'm sure he also managed to type up the reply without defecating all over the keyboard. So what?

Matt Mc
12/23/2014 04:55:29 am

Being respectful is a positive when dealing with disagreements.

Sure it does not excuse Wolter's research methods but IMHO I was pleasantly surprised by the fact that Wolter did not respond with his same condescension he has to other people on his blog.

So does it change anything no but it does so a little bit more character from someone who has publicly displayed so little.

.
12/23/2014 05:52:17 am

Scott and Jason were totally polite and civilized.
They both made compelling arguments and logically
backed up their viewpoints. I think this is a healthy
dialogue, we know Scott often takes an artist's
licence with his conjectures and speculations, we
know Jason likes documents that have a papertrail
to them where you have multiple sources that are
solid and easy to footnote. If Scott likes open Qs
and Jason wants an accuracy, then lets contribute
into this if we can! S.W has hit a level of frustration
when trying to get academia to rethink things. Said in
fairness. the KRS. Now onto his BEE HIVE episode!

EP
12/23/2014 10:35:38 am

"Wolter did not respond with his same condescension"

He kinda did tho... Like, he was civil, but still...

"lets contribute into this if we can!"

Can you contribute by relieving us from your inane commentary?

Duke of URL
12/25/2014 02:26:58 am

I agree, Matt. Actually, I was surprised.

Scott Hamilton
12/23/2014 04:38:40 am

I follow some sites that mock the Men's Rights movement, and today there was an article about one of the largest Men's Rights sites starting a cooking(!) column. And here's a line from that column: "Let’s start with some basic facts, and by facts I mean what I believe to be true." I think Wolter would agree.

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Duke of URL
12/25/2014 02:26:04 am

EP, that is certainly a gem. It makes it clear that Pope Wolter is speaking ex cathedra.
Personally, I like this combination:
"I believe these maps were largely based on information derived from both earlier European and Chinese sources. I do agree that at this point it is hard to conclusively prove. However, as I stated earlier, the level of detail and accuracy exhibited in the maps indicates a long, and likely very intriguing history in their creation that no doubt goes back hundreds of years if not longer."
"Seriously man, why would you even say I'm producing imaginary pre-Columbian Chinese voyages that we know took place?"
Wolter's leap from belief to knowledge in about 5 minutes is truly impressive.

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EP
12/26/2014 02:34:14 pm

It must be said, however, that more serious scholars have defended or at least countenanced these voyages than... well, than pretty much any of the other ideas promoted by Wolter. He must be feeling irrevocably confirmed in his delusions on this point.

tm
12/23/2014 04:29:29 am

Jason, correct me if I'm wrong. Wolter controls the narrative here by calling you the skeptic, but in a broader sense, HE is the skeptic. Doesn't he have the burden of proof?

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EP
12/23/2014 04:44:15 am

Why is he the skeptic? Also, I don't get what it has to do with who has the burden of proof. If the burden is indeed on Wolter, it's not because he is a skeptic, but because he is proposing that we abandon a well-entrenched "received view" of the subject.

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Fred
12/23/2014 06:00:52 am

Let's see if I remember this correctly. (My college philosophy book is in a box in the garage, and who knows how long it would take to find) But, Wolter IS actually the skeptic because he is proposing a different narrative than accepted works. Thus he bears the burden of proof. If he just simply said the current narrative is wrong but asserts no alternative he would be agnostic and bear no burden of proof.

If I have that right, it gives Wolter a unique argumentative stance. I forget the term for it but iinstead of him proving his assertions are true he throws them out there and challenges the "skeptics" to disprove him. Which is very difficult in and of itself, but also difficult in that he controls the narrative to begin with. Like fighting a battle in the field of your opponents choosing and then only responding to their attacks.

I feel as though I have done this topic a diservice by reflecting off the top of my head and feel as though I have left much out, if not incorrectly stated concepts that I have failed to recollect correctly. It sucks getting old.

Anyway if there is someone who more accurately remembers these terms and concepts by all means please help me out and take over, as I feel i most certainly have left out important parts. ;)

Rlewis
12/23/2014 07:01:34 am

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens

Uncle Ron
12/23/2014 07:33:16 am

You have it right, Fred. The entire corpus of current empirical knowledge leads us to Jason’s side of the argument despite its inability to fill in every gap due to data that is unavailable; hidden, or lost. Scott Wolter is skeptical of the logical conclusions of this empirical construction. He wants to re-arrange the building blocks and reach different conclusions than Jason but his construction has even larger gaps and “unsupported” pieces that won’t stand on their own. It is his responsibility, as the one who is skeptical of the “mainstream” interpretation, to demonstrate to us that his conclusions rest on a firm (alternate) foundation; but he can’t. He willfully disregards (or is unable to understand) what we call logic and the scientific method and refuses to see his illogical construction collapsing around him.

EP
12/23/2014 10:42:52 am

This is why Hitchens's popularity has always been a mystery to me... :)

"Wolter IS actually the skeptic because he is proposing a different narrative than accepted works."

What does that have to do with being a skeptic???

"If he just simply said the current narrative is wrong but asserts no alternative he would be agnostic and bear no burden of proof."

This is false on both counts. Denying a proposition is equivalent to affirming its negation. It's not agnosticism about it. And I don't understand why you'd say what you say about the burden of proof.

tm
12/23/2014 08:33:50 am

EP - everything I write is brilliantly clear - to my own eyes. :)

Fred any Uncle Ron did a much better job of explaining my point than I did

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EP
12/24/2014 01:19:22 am

Everything Unlce Ron said is quite correct. But it has nothing to do with skepticism or burden of proof.

.
12/25/2014 12:26:08 pm

Equivocation.

RLewis
12/23/2014 04:34:22 am

Well I guess he showed you, Jason. All of your "read the date on the map" and "assertions don't matter" BS cannot stand up to his "Vatican is hiding the evidence", um, evidence.

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EP
12/23/2014 04:45:12 am

To Wolter's credit, however, at least he's not blaming "The Jews!" :P

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.
12/23/2014 06:00:25 am

Luv --- he aint a Fascist.
be nice. even Mussolini
was not a total Anti-Semite.
He did not send Italians
by train out of Italy as often
as the power elite of the
3rd Reich wanted. be nice.

EP
12/23/2014 10:37:26 am

Stop saying words - it's never worked out well for you. If you think that restraining your verbal evacuations has made your commentary any less inane, you're mistaken.

lurkster
12/23/2014 06:57:41 am

I rather enjoyed this remark in Wolter's exchange with Greg Little:

"These methods shows great promise, I just hope the skeptics allow us to do so... "

To me, that seems to infer that Wolter is saying skepticism informally published in the blogosphere has prevented him from pursuing his crazy theories with his preferred methodology of making unfounded assertions.

Or perhaps it's just a clever offensive tactic for raising a false flag defense he can fall back on at a later date. Either way, I am amused.

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Kal
12/23/2014 07:44:33 am

It is fascinating how the SW on that blog is almost a different person than the one sending his trolls here to accuse JC of being nuts or of making stuff up. Clearly the one on his own blog wants to sound half way normal.

Even more interesting are the extant replies which completely baffled any constructive science, and seem to be like gossip. He said so there for it just is. Yeah. Hate to break it to them, but SW is a TV host not a professional anything, or forensic geologist, and his opinion therefore doesn't hold the weight of a broken off stone.

He dodges your questions about Spanish influences like he just didn't hear it, when he went to a known Spanish colonial area and stood among people and places with Spanish names.

The colonial maps both of you showed are just that.

Why SW needs to show for some reason his opinions are facts is bizarre and doesn't make sense. He also thinks the Vatican is hiding something, like in a Dan Brown novel. He is not aware those are fiction.

Basic science terms for him to apply...

"A fact is little more than an established (by professionals) opinion, so long as there are three sources of (credible) academic account or journalistic integrity.".

The History channel no longer has the journalistic integrity to be a viable source.

"The improbable, no matter how unlikely, can be tested and is possible, only once you eliminate the impossible."

The Chinese could have come later with the Spanish, but they did not have the technology to come before the 1400s, but they didn't really get along.

"An established event or circumstance can be proven using available evidence, even if the people who built is are dead."

The walls in California at least were likely at first Native American markers and the Spanish re purposed them. We know who reused them. The county records indicate they are 'property markers' and that they were sued by 'settlers curing the establishment of the state'. They're not Chinese.

"Just because something looks like something else, doesn't mean that it is."

You get pyramids on opposite sides of the world, and walls, not because they're all colonies from ridiculous fantasy aliens, but because people need them for some purpose, either a pyramid to make a mountain, or a wall to fence in something. No mystery there.

"Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean someone else doesn't, or that it's aliens or ghosts, or giants."

The Clarke rule that "any sufficiently advanced society is indistinguishable from magic" does not need to apply.

Ancient humans were smart and they made monuments, pyramids, walls, and temples. It is not the impossible, such as aliens and giants, (also unprovable) but the probable, ancient people, who made these things.

The Chinese that added to other earlier groups in ice age times and came to the New World are completely different than the ones what came in colonial times, separated by thousands of not tens of thousands of years.

The maps are based on Spanish maps. That still does not prove there is anything to do with walls.

I suppose SW thinks the Freemasons built them in China using alien big foot labor.

*face palm*








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Harry
12/23/2014 11:51:14 am

Jason,

I just posed a question of my own on Wolter's blog. Basically, I asked him to name one detail in any of the maps that could not have been discovered in the time between Columbus and the map. I think you might want to keep an eye out for the response.

In the meantime, I think Wolter has given you something to investigate with his response to RLewis (a few posts below his last response to you). I would love to know what "accurate" landforms and river systems he is talking about.

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Jason Colavito link
12/23/2014 12:21:34 pm

Beats me. The only accurate parts of the North American portion of the map are those well known and mapped in 1602--New Spain and British North America. The rest is wildly inaccurate, with the characteristic rounded coasts used by mapmakers to indicate a tentative guess at the coastline--just what you'd expect from a map of its age.

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Harry
12/23/2014 02:31:25 pm

Scott Wolter wants "to dispense with the nit-picking and talk big picture" now. That is not a good sign that we will get a straight answer out of him.

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Only Me
12/23/2014 12:00:26 pm

In regards to the conversation between Jason and Scott:

16th century European maps = Chinese discovery of America. Before Columbus. Based entirely on Scott's "knowledge and experience with the subject matter along with using simple logic."

Talk about reaching deep into a bag of BS.

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Clint Knapp
12/23/2014 03:15:59 pm

I'm particularly fond of this one:

"I have been involved in providing definitive factual evidence of extensive pre-Columbian contact by Europeans (in these cases) with the Kensington Rune Stone, Tucson Lead Artifacts and the Bat Creek Stone. These artifacts are unquestionably authentic and prove the continent was traversed by non native cultures dating back at least two millennia.

With these facts as a backdrop..."

That's right. With the fact that Scott said those are authentic, we simply must accept that Chinese were here; because he said so. If we accept Scott's right about one thing, he is right about all things and to question it is futile.

Just about sums up the Wolterian experience, doesn't it?

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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
12/23/2014 03:46:44 pm

Never mind that all of those artifacts, in the unlikely event that they are genuine, would only demonstrate that European and Mediterranean cultures had reached the Americas. They would prove nothing about the Chinese.

Only Me
12/23/2014 06:02:34 pm

If only Scott were right about the KRS, Tucson Lead Artifacts and Bat Creek Stone, he'd have a compelling case. He's not, however, so he doesn't.

What irks me most about him, is the fact he will not even consider the *possibility* he could be wrong. Oh no, he's always right and everyone else needs to accept it.

With that, here's another gem:

[ I'll bet many Native American tribes have knowledge preserved somewhere about the highly advanced navigators from the Far East who almost certainly visited BOTH sides of our continent. ]

That could be applied to every pre-Columbian claim he's "investigated" and proclaimed true. Too bad AU can't be bothered to actually interview Native Americans...but what they have to say might prove just how far off in left field the show really is.

Clint Knapp
12/23/2014 09:19:43 pm

Ah! But they did interview one Native American once! Remember Clifford Mahooty and the shenanigans surrounding his appearance in season 2?

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/america-uneartheds-zuni-elder-is-an-ancient-astronaut-theorist-believes-aliens-have-underground-base

If that's what AU represents as Native American lore and experts, I'd much rather they just go right on failing to acknowledge Native American viewpoints than misrepresent them further.

EP
12/24/2014 01:24:44 am

Even if we set aside the ridiculous exploitative New Age pseudo-Native "wisdom", there is simply no basis for Wolter's certainty that Native Americans "have knowledge preserved" of times so long ago. Their oral traditions simply aren't the kind of detailed and reliable historical record that would allow us to do much more than fish for hints of support for our antecedently formulated historical hypotheses.

Shane Sullivan
12/24/2014 05:49:43 am

Exactly, EP; Wolter has already said that the Ojibwe oral tradition preserves the super secret memory of Templars telling them to migrate west. Trouble is, the tradition holds that the message to head west came in a vision/dream, so either the Templars were telepathic, or the story can't be used as a literal account of contact.

Only Me
12/24/2014 07:07:53 am

EP, Shane and Clint:

All of you are correct. I should have worded my statement better. I was mainly referring to Native American input to the physical matters of Scott's "investigations".

Missing Michigan copper? Why would it have been so hard to talk to local tribes about the Copper Culture, instead of leaping to the conclusion the Phoenicians were responsible? Egyptians in the Grand Canyon? Again, why not talk to the local tribes? Surely they would have *something* in their oral history about hundreds or thousands of strangers building a city in a cave system! The list goes on...

I agree with your assessment, Clint. I'd rather AU continued to ignore Native American lore than have them grossly misrepresented for the sake of ratings.

EP
12/24/2014 08:15:57 am

"Missing Michigan copper? Why would it have been so hard to talk to local tribes about the Copper Culture, instead of leaping to the conclusion the Phoenicians were responsible?"

While pretty much anything would be better than the latter, we must keep in mind that "local tribes" wouldn't necessarily have been such during the period in question. Indeed, they are likely to not have existed.

This just highlights why excessive reliance on "indigenous" lore is problematic.

Only Me
12/24/2014 08:39:42 am

EP, I'm not advocating for "excessive reliance" on Native American lore. I'm not asking we take such lore at face value. All I'm saying is, if Scott wants to mention knowledge Native Americans may or may not have, then either go to them during his investigations and let them have their say, or, leave them out of the show if their lore is going to be misrepresented in favor of his half-baked conclusions.

His comment I referenced suggests he believes they might be keeping "hidden knowledge" that would prove he's been right all along.

EP
12/24/2014 08:50:30 am

Yeah, yeah... No need to get defensive, I was just making a general point :P

"he believes they might be keeping "hidden knowledge" that would prove he's been right all along"

In other words, they just don't want to talk to him :)

Duke of URL
12/25/2014 02:31:45 am

Indeed, it does.

Kal
12/23/2014 02:55:19 pm

The maps probably come from the show runners who spent several hours crafting them and putting them on, and up on the web as 'old' so that they could drum up interest. There's his experience. He means he helped draw them. Ha.

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Andy White
12/24/2014 02:26:17 am

I'm glad you're working on European "giants." They will make an interesting comparison to the New World giant phenomena.

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Only Me
12/26/2014 06:08:56 am

Hey, Jason! It seems you have a lot to answer over on Scott Wolter's blog.


Anonymous December 26, 2014 at 5:42 AM

People give Colavito way too much attention. He's good at promoting his website. But he has never had a real job--he can google and use wiki--and nitpick, twist words and meanings, and promote himself as a defender of mainstream beliefs. He tries to depict those who question any mainstream beliefs as racists, Nazis, or kooks. He can be easily attacked but the truth is that he should really just be ignored. What he actually is can be summed up easily: he's a guy who watches tv shows he hates and then he writes about how much he hates them.


Scott Wolter December 26, 2014 at 8:24 AM

I couldn't agree more; although he is clever and intelligent enough to avoid serious trouble, he lacks any sense of open-mindedness and has zero patience for anything other than his own mainstream point of view when it comes to most history. He does believe in aliens having a profound impact on our history, but let's set that aside for now.

On the other hand, people like him are actually a good barometer of how we are doing. When the skeptics get particularly upset and nasty it tells me we are making headway and likely on the right track. I do try to see the merit in the skeptic's arguments, but too often it's complaining simply for argument's sake.

He definitely is a self-promoter, but what he's pushing is more like he's own religion than a serious attempt to get to the truth. The tell-tale test is how he and his followers refuse to engage in a serious discussion of the "Big Three." These incredible artifacts alone render the foundation of the "Colavitology" belief system irrelevant.

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Jason Colavito link
12/26/2014 10:34:50 am

You should see how the conversation is developing! His politeness didn't last long.

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Only Me
12/26/2014 11:53:32 am

So I've noticed!

Well, since he invited you and other skeptics over to "play", maybe he just needs a "time out".

EP
12/26/2014 02:37:03 pm

WHY DON'T YOU GET A REAL JOB, YA FREELOADER!

YA AIN'T NOTHIN' LIKE THE HUNKY ALL-AMERICAN FORENSIC GEOLOGIST SCOTT WOLTER!

Only Me
12/26/2014 03:25:09 pm

Scott Wolter:

[ I'm also willing to admit when I'm wrong and I'm pretty easy to get along with until the BS starts flying. ]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[ OK guys; let's not lower ourselves and start calling Jason names. I need to remember that to; so please use his and anyone else we address by their proper last name. ]

How long does anyone think THAT'S gonna last?

Eugene krabs
9/4/2016 10:06:58 am

After reading the interesting info above, I have yet to locate your citations. I really wonder how one obtains the immunity from working to gather citations yet thrashing someone else.

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