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The Mutual Reinforcement of Dubious Templar Documents; Plus: Travel Channel Teases Megan Fox's "Legends of the Lost"

11/10/2018

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​With the recent publication of alleged journals written by Henry I Sinclair, Earl of Orkney in the late 1300s, it was only natural that Sinclair conspiracy theorist Scott F. Wolter would attempt to fold them into a unified conspiracy theory with the other dubious evidence he has used to support the imaginary idea that the Knights Templar brought the secret descendants of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene to North America  in the Middle Ages and set up an enlightened goddess-worshiping society based on the principles of Freemasonry. In a new blog post he does just that, suggesting that the supposed Cremona Document, which I have previously concluded is almost certainly fake, reinforces the equally dubious Sinclair journals like an ouroboros eating its own tail:
​There have been many times as I have spent time with [Cremona proponent] Don [Ruh], the artifacts, and the documents, that I sat back and marveled in amazement at what has been revealed to me that relates to my previous research and discoveries.  So much of it provides powerful evidence supporting my thesis of multiple pre-Columbian expeditions by the medieval Knights Templar order to North America, both before and after the putdown by Pope Clement V and the King of France in 1307.  Not only does the Cremona Document support that research, but it also introduces twelve new examples of the Hooked X™ symbol that connects directly to the Knights Templar and later traditions that embraced Templar ideology and philosophy.  
​I should be commenting on the ridiculousness of the claims, but I have outline before why the Cremona Document is most likely a hoax, not least in my review of Zena Halpern’s recent effort to prove it true. (See here: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3.) Since there is little to add here other than a notice that these dubious documents have become self-referential by building on the same hoax claims popularized by Frederick Pohl and Andrew Sinclair, none of which (to the best of my knowledge) existed before 1902, when the first hypothesis of Templars in America—based on bad linguistic claims and racism—saw print. There are not historical facts or ancient truths; it’s just a bunch of hot air built from conspiracy theories cobbled together in large measure in the middle twentieth century.
 
I just want to point out that Wolter has included the trademark symbol after the words “Hooked X,” something I began doing as a way to poke fun at Wolter’s trademark on the words “Hooked X” for “publications, namely, books in the field of historical artifacts.”
 
Having dealt with that, I wanted to note that in less than a month’s time, the Travel Channel will launch its newest assault on science and reason, Legends of the Lost, the new name for the four-part documentary series hosted by noted Ancient Aliens super-fan and popular actress Megan Fox. In anticipation of the show’s Dec. 4 premiere, the Travel Channel has released a listing of the topics Fox will cover, culminating in a depressing Christmas “present” that will sit like a lump of coal in my Christmas stocking. I almost compared it to fruitcake, but I am actually one of the few people who like fruitcake, or at least the homemade quasi-panettone type of it my grandmother used to make. Anyway, here is what we are in for:
Season 1, Episode 1
Stonehenge: The Healing Stones
Megan Fox travels to one of the most mysterious archaeological sites in the world to investigate why our ancient ancestors built this enigmatic monument and if the stones themselves possess supernatural powers.
 
Season 1, Episode 2
Viking Women Warriors
Megan Fox journeys to Scandinavia to investigate a bold new hypothesis that the Vikings, one of the most feared armies of their time, was actually comprised of powerful female warriors.
 
Season 1, Episode 3
The Trojan War: Myth or Truth?
Using one of the greatest Greek legends as her treasure map, Megan Fox examines high-tech data and the latest archaeological finds to finally put this enduring question to bed -- Did the infamous Trojan War actually take place?
 
Season 1, Episode 4
America's Lost Civilization
New findings suggest humans arrived in America thousands of years earlier than originally claimed and that these first inhabitants may have not been modern humans at all. Megan Fox seeks to find out who -- or what -- these early settlers really were.
​The inspirations for these episode topics are rather transparent. Carl Feagans broke it down a bit on his blog, but I will add a few more thoughts. Keeping in mind that the first incarnation of this series was to have been titled Mysteries and Myths, the first episode’s foundation seems to most likely be the claim made by Geoffrey of Monmouth in his History of the Kings of Britain around 1136 CE that Stonehenge was used as a magical bath bomb for giants:
They are mystical stones, and of a medicinal virtue. The giants of old brought them from the farthest coasts of Africa, and placed them in Ireland, while they inhabited that country. Their design in this was to make baths in them, when they should be taken with any illness. For their method was to wash the stones, and put their sick into the water, which infallibly cured them. With the like success they cured wounds also, adding only the application of some herbs. There is not a stone there which has not some healing virtue. (8.11, trans. Thompson and Giles)
​It's rather thin gruel to spin an episode around, though it would be remarkably easy to prove or disprove, providing that the British would be open to giving a stone a quick wash.
 
The second episode seems to be a pretty obvious effort to capitalize on the recent claim that a Viking warrior burial belonged to a woman. The weird episode description seems to imply that Fox will claim the Vikings to be Amazons, but I can’t imagine even a looney tunes show from an Ancient Aliens adept would go so far beyond the facts. It would probably not surprise you to learn that in the original promotional materials for the show, this episode was supposed to focus on the Amazons and not the Vikings. This accounts for the confused episode description, and probably some of the content, too.
 
The third episode exists in large measure because of Fox’s interest in the subject matter. Because the original concept for the show—since junked—was for Fox to explore the connection between myth and history, this episode was the one used to plug the series from its first announcement. Ever since Heinrich Schliemann created the myth that he had discovered Troy when no one else believed it possible, Troy has been a touchstone for those who believe that myth contains undigested chunks of real history. The trouble, as I have shown in the past, is that the location of Troy was never unknown. The Romans and medieval people knew it well, and European scholars had already identified the site now considered the remains of Troy decades before Schliemann started digging. He just happened to do so in a brief window when there was a surge of insupportable scholarly opinion that Greek myths were nothing but hot air. More interesting, to my mind, is Martin Nilsson’s work in the 1930s in The Mycenaean Origins of Greek Mythology connecting Greek myths to the geography and political divisions of the Mycenaean world, and predicting—accurately!—where Mycenaean archaeological sites would be discovered based on the appearance in myth of relatively unimportant places that could not otherwise justify their prominence.
 
But it is the fourth episode that raises the most red flags, not least because I have just finished writing a book about the dangerous and long-lasting myth of a “lost race” that preceded Native Americans. The inspiration for the episode is quite obvious, and it is also to be found in Graham Hancock’s similarly themed forthcoming book America Before: the Cerutti mastodon site, which has had made for it the controversial claim—heavily disputed—that an unknown human species butchered the mastodon 130,000 years ago. I have difficulty imagining that the Travel Channel—which recently aired an all but openly racist documentary in which an investigator cried tears of joy because he thought he found evidence of pre-Columbian white colonization of South America—will handle the cultural ramifications of their claims with sensitivity and respect. There is always the possibility of a surprise, but the safe money is on obliviousness. 
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Jim
11/10/2018 09:42:01 am

Well, so much for the quiet time of pseudoism that you spoke of recently.

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Machala
11/10/2018 10:04:48 am

My first question is: Who the hell is Megan Kelly and who really cares ? We all know who Wolter is, and Nobody cares about that head case !

I wonder how the Travel Channel and their theorist on white pre-Columbian colonialism will react to this week's news regarding Legitimate scientific results published about DNA studies on skeleton and mummified remains from both Americas, dating as far back as 15,000 BCE that fill in many of the archeological blanks regarding the origin and rapid spread of Indigenous people throughout the Americas ?

Anyone interested in these recent developments, can read about them in The Atlantic or Smithsonian magazines this week, and will be able to obtain links to the studies themselves, through the magazines articles.

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Doc Rock
11/10/2018 10:50:13 am

She was Miss Hotstuff A-list actress about a decade ago. Her star no longer shines quite as bright, but she is still a "name." Undoubtedly still looks pretty good in tight khaki shorts posing next to (insert name of ruins here), though. So good looking + big name + willing to do it= gets the gig.

Can't wait to see her on camera perpetuating the myth of all the dolts who allegedly embraced Clovis First with religious fervor. Actually I can since I don't have cable.

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Machala
11/10/2018 12:10:48 pm

Typing on my phone isn't my idea of a good time and leads to inaccurate posts. Megan Kelly ? I mean't Megan Fox. I think Megan Kelly was an another air head on Fox News (or Faux Noise, as I prefer to call it.)

Joe Scales
11/10/2018 03:26:56 pm

You can call Megyn Kelly a lot of things; even unflattering if you will. But "air head"... I think not.

bill
11/11/2018 05:49:07 pm

i have to agree with Mr. Scales re: Mrs. Kelly. She is not an airhead

Bezalel
11/11/2018 11:31:10 pm

Megyn Kelly:
"Santa Claus was white...."
"Jesus was a white man..."

Yup
Paragon of intellect

Joe Scales
11/12/2018 11:12:48 am

Note the past tense...

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/12/2018 02:51:29 pm

"She was Miss Hotstuff A-list actress about a decade ago."

For those who wonder why I call you Captain Drinkypoo (aside from your alcohol problem).

Doc Rock
11/12/2018 04:02:29 pm

Yes indeedy she was. Even my Amish neighbors probably know the difference between M. Kelly and M. Fox, would understand that Machala made an innocent mistake confusing the names, and would understand that my comment was in regard to M. Fox. Only those over at the kiddie table would be honestly confused and/or try to make an issue out of something that is readily comprehensible to everyone else.

But thanks for reminding me that Happy Hour rapidly approaches.

American Cool "disco" Dan
11/12/2018 05:05:15 pm

It wasn't Machala who made the mistake, it was you you fucking alcoholic totally not a child molester Get back to answering Richard Berensen's telephone and out yourself to the parents before you approach the kiddie table..

Doc Rock
11/12/2018 05:13:40 pm

Don't you just love it when he get's burned so badly that he doesn't even try to string it out by arguing minutiae but rather just loses his shit and goes straight into meltdown mode.

Joe Scales
11/12/2018 07:26:07 pm

I'll take Things Kids Do When You Pass Out Drunk for two hundred Alex...

Doc Rock
11/12/2018 07:46:54 pm

As if in cue....

Think that I shall sip my evening toddies from a Transformers commemorative cup while watching the game in honor of this occasion. Megyn Kelly looked so hot bending over the car in that skimpy shirt in T-1.

Maybe a little more effort the next time fellas.

Joe Scales
11/12/2018 08:57:30 pm

… What is scrawling Theban script on the wall with a permanent marker?

Doc Rock
11/12/2018 09:59:40 pm

Weak, but if it makes you feel better it doesn't look like Albany (where Megan Fox got her JD) offers a degree in Pre-Law. So there's that.

There, now I paid both you fellas a little attention, so I think this is a wrap on this fascinating discussion.

This toddy needs a bit more lemon...

Joe Scales
11/13/2018 04:07:32 pm

You know Professor, I nearly offered an olive branch the other day when you attempted to temper the partisanship here, but then remembered what a truly terrible sport you are; and an intellectually dishonest one at that (i.e. there is no stand alone prelaw major called "prelaw" that doesn't require concentration in an established academic discipline... but you know this). So I offer one up here instead... that probably only you and I get (as Cuz seemed to miss the lay up from the previous topic). And come on... it's funny. Especially since you so very easily stepped into the punch line.

Try to be a better sport. Then maybe we can play.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/13/2018 05:05:21 pm

Remember that the one "pre-law" program that Cap'n Drinkypoo, totally not a child molester, found, explicitly promises to teach its students to.....

"use words".

Jesus fucking wept.

Joe Scales
11/14/2018 03:44:39 pm

Yeah, you mess with Professor Bad Faith at your peril.
As if...

E.P. Grondine
11/10/2018 10:09:43 am

Hi Jason -

There will always be nuts spouting nonsense. In this age of narrow casting, they have now found a platform where they can make some change .

There is no need for you personally to take them all on. Even though you are wonderfully equipped to do so, and they cause you cognitive dissonance.

In good news, I read where Morocco is now a retirement refuge. So if you were to finish with Al Idrisi, it looks like there might be a market.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/10/2018 04:29:43 pm

A market for lighter covers?

"E.P. GRONDINE
10/5/2018 11:06:44 am
Since you won't get up from your computer and go out and get laid, may I suggest that as an alternative you go fuck yourself."

E.P. Grondine in a nutshell. Your goto guy for souvenir leather Bic lighter covers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCCbP9I4nHw

You should know from Seinfeld not to try to find a place in Tuscany. It's Paupers' Hill for you.

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Doc Rock
11/10/2018 10:13:55 am

The "Brass seal" pictured in the story looks a lot like the underside of an older version of a particular piece of equipment used at golf courses. Can't remember what the name was or what is was specifically used for. But I saw a bunch of them laying around in an old storage room at a country club where they had stored a lot of old heavy brass and cast iron stuff that had been replaced with newer lighter stuff decades before.

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Jim
11/10/2018 10:43:36 am

https://d9nvuahg4xykp.cloudfront.net/-7582380667009841008/-3532632104486316919.jpg

https://www.collectors.com/sports-item/rare-vintage-hand-held-aluminum-golf-ball-washer-advertisin/-7582380667009841008

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Jim
11/10/2018 10:49:47 am

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3-QAAOSwb2Jbky51/s-l1600.jpg

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Doc Rock
11/10/2018 11:20:57 am

Could be an older brass version of something like that. But like I said, I can't really remember the details other than it looked almost exactly like Wolter's artifact.

I also just noticed that the outer portion of Wolter's ancient artifact seems to be sheathed in aluminum, unless my eyes are playing tricks on me?


This reminds me of the people trying to pass off a piece of '39 Ford bumper as UFO wreckage.

Jim
11/10/2018 12:05:37 pm

I guess we will have to wait untill Pulitzer scans it with his super dooper XRF machine and tells us what mine the brass came from.
The photo of the hooked x notebook makes me wonder if the blank pages match Muirs documents, lol

At least we are seeing the makeup of Wolters rumored new America unearthed. Looks like the Oak Island formula.
Mosey around, dig a hole, don't find anything. Rinse and repeat.
I can't help but giggle when we can already anticipate Wolters motley crew of participants and talking heads.

Doc Rock
11/10/2018 03:37:53 pm

I'm guessing that the brass was made from some of the copper that the Templars were able to scrape together from that left behind in the Great Lakes region after the Minoans removed a billion tons of it for shipment back to the Med. As for zinc, there are deposits of it in Scotland. We can all connect those dots.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/10/2018 04:37:47 pm

Don't forget tin in Cornwall.

Jim
11/10/2018 06:35:27 pm

Makes sense,especially if you understand that the Minoans were Templars.

Riley V
11/10/2018 10:49:06 am

Megan Fox? Wow.
Now I’ll have to watch. I will of course mute the program. I suggest all y’all do the same.

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American Cool "Disco" dan
11/10/2018 04:45:25 pm

Makes sense to me, since you're on the internet. I will also persuade my friends to kill themselves for the Slenderman.

Anything else I can do for you?

-- must mute Megan Kelly --

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An Anonymous Nerd
11/10/2018 07:09:14 pm

Hopefully that fourth episode will serve, at least, as good publicity for your manuscript.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Kel
11/10/2018 07:44:58 pm

Megan Fox, a B rated actress best known for Transformers and Jonah Hexx, and Ninja Turtles the remake. She is not bad, she just ends up in bad movies. On the show about the artifacts.

Megyn Kelly, former Fox show and MSNBC host of the morning show, articulate but unfiltered right wing mouthpiece, but very intelligent. Not on the show about the artifacts..


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Machala
11/11/2018 10:24:32 am

In my earlier post, I called Megan Kelly an "airhead". I guess neither Mr. Scales nor yourself, got the intented pun.

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amercan Cool "Disco" Dan
11/11/2018 04:16:26 pm

It's their fault that no one got your intense ore your providence.

Jim
11/11/2018 12:49:21 am

The Scrolls of Onteora - The Cremona Document

I seem to be able to read the entire book here:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=H-10DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=Cremona+Document&source=bl&ots=AxtR3do8uj&sig=w-MqTPu7biqBhSxT3HJPWbSZKJw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtivjozMveAhWS_lQKHWFmALkQ6AEwD3oECAAQAQ#v=onepage&q=Cremona%20Document&f=false

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Jim
11/11/2018 02:18:40 am

I believe it's possible that the mystery brass canister is nothing more than an incomplete alcohol stove.
If you look at fig. 15 in the above link you can see the stove missing the central alcohol cup and burning assembly, however you can also see what seems to be wicking material inside the canister that is meant to encircle the fuel cup.

https://www.antiquesnavigator.com/d-1392995/%E2%9C%AD-antique-vintage-the-seamless-stove-brass-alcohol-meths-burner--12-photos.html

https://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Alcohol-Camping-Variable-Temperature/dp/B004RHPSMM

https://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/189457628/Brass_Sirram_Pad_Atmospheric_Spirit_Alcohol_Stove_W4.html

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Kal
11/11/2018 07:13:11 pm

How long did it take them to etch symbols onto an old oil pan seal from a car? It looks to me like it comes from a modern part off an engine, or possibly the cap to a 'carborator' or as someone suggested, part of a still of some sort. I';d say though it is a modern part from a car, possibly a 1930s oil pan off a Ford. It also has welding marks around the edges, and form marks, suggesting it was worked from two pieces using machines, so no way is it remotely ancient. It's from I'd say 80 years ago.

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Kal
11/11/2018 07:18:05 pm

Maybe the fact that Megan Fox is still stunning has turned the heads of those old dudes running the show, but they can't handle it.

Yep, a part off a Ford, or maybe a Hudson, but those would be likely aluminum.

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Jim
11/11/2018 10:30:15 pm

Has anyone gotten anywhere with this book?
I can't get past the part where he scuba's up into the prop, gets knocked the flock out, drowns, and then his buddies drag him on board and Frankenstein him with a jury rigged boat generator.
I just start giggling when I try to read more.

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Jim
11/12/2018 03:20:05 pm

Fake, fake, fake, Fraud, fraud fraud !!!!!

Page 284 The lemon juice Drawings

Note the lines of the ruled paper in the photograph before they "accidentally" burnt them to ashes.

Then note the ruled lines going the wrong direction in the photo on page 285 as they burn the evidence.
NOT THE SAME PEACE OF PAPER !!!!!
Hahahahahaha

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Jim
11/12/2018 03:41:12 pm

And don't forget these are the from the same book/journal as the Halpern / Oak Island maps.

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Patrick Shekleton
11/12/2018 06:44:45 pm

Jim, those lines are not on the paper. They extend across the image even where there is no paper. Perhaps it was a lens filter with a pattern of lines.

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Jim
11/12/2018 07:04:00 pm

Good lord you are right , I am mistaken.

Dunior
11/12/2018 07:04:26 pm

Patrick. How authentic do you believe the Cremona Document and "Journals of Henry Sinclair" are? What is your take on this stuff? True or false?

Patrick Shekleton
11/12/2018 08:49:04 pm

Dunior, great question. I haven't seen or read any of the Journal material. It will probably be sometime after the holidays before I will order the book, not because of any reluctance, but because I just don't have the time right now. I have obviously heard about some of the things contained within the journals. I don't keep records of any of those discussions. It isn't my material so I have no business making any notes, and I didn't. When I do get the book, I am going to look at every detail. I haven't read Don Ruh's book...for the same reasons. There is a lot of material in the Cremona stuff. I read Halpern's book, and I have discussed different things with several people, but at this point I just can't get my arms around the sheer volume of information that has to be analyzed. I have had four of the C-Doc maps for almost two years now. The Narragansett and Nova Scotia maps are interesting. The CT/NY map (which was in Halpern's book but of too low of a resolution) is really difficult. I worked on it early on, but just shelved it because I was having some difficulty grasping the context and there was no sense in getting ahead of the story and getting bit. The other primary map is pretty simple, but has some minor, but details that I found interesting. My understanding is that there are other maps, as well, but which I have not looked at. The maps are just one small piece off the larger volume of material. This sounds like a non-answer, but it isn't. I don't align my research with either the Journals (haven't read it all) or the Cremona stuff (all I have seen are the aforementioned four maps). Clearly, the map copies didn't originate in 1179.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/12/2018 09:06:17 pm

I'll simplify it for you. Fake, fake, fake. This clip from Seinfeld delivers the message:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLg1k4I9fqk

Patrick Shekleton
11/12/2018 09:22:21 pm

All the time...classic!

Dunior
11/13/2018 08:44:02 am

I'm sad to see you even think those books worth reading and analyzing. Why is that all these stories included destroyed and copied manuscripts with no originals? You would actually take a manuscript that is a copy of the original admittedly destroyed by the person who found it and and then take this as even remotely being serious evidence? That you will actually waste time poring over without considering it is a fake? What kind of survey of available history that disputes all this have you done? You are being conned there Patrick. Wake up.

Jim
11/13/2018 09:44:16 am

700 years, and not a peep from or about the templars and then along comes Wolter and his group of friends,,,,,,,,,,,,,
No outside linguists, historians or other scientific testing allowed. All work vetted by a highly unqualified Wolter and friends.
All documents copies of copies, thrown in the trash, burnt up with a heat lamp, sold to unknown parties in Europe etc. etc. For one reason or another no verification is possible.

Jesus was a Goddess worshiping Templar.

Sounds legit to me.

Patrick Shekleton
11/13/2018 10:27:50 am

90% (swag) of historical manuscripts, whole or in part, are copies or contain copied material from earlier, but no longer existent works. That the material at hand is a copy is not out of the norm. That the copy was disposed of is not good. What is germaine is whether there is sufficient differentiation in the material to separate it from other published, or available, historical information. It is the information that has to be run through the ringer. Up to this point, there has been a slew of claims and counter- claims on both sides, but in the end it will come down to the individual information elements. If they collectively hold up, meaning no modern-era red herrings, then the equilibrium is 50-50. If there are previously unknown information elements that are revealed, then found to have a valid basis in the contemporaneous historical context, the things start shifting. Gotta de-construct the information, and it has to be done objectively.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/13/2018 02:00:44 pm

Patrick,

You just don't get it. Someone typed up Wolter's fantasies. So of course there's no contradiction. From Wolter's point of view. It agrees with his ideas so it's true, from his point of view. You need to do the math and the math starts with the axiom : Scott Wolter is an idiot. He is very likely the stupidest person on the planet.

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Patrick Shekleton
11/13/2018 05:52:19 pm

I read the fantasy argument a few days back. I had to tip my hat to it. We are all quite aware of your Wolter Axiom. I haven't read either book.

Jim
11/13/2018 07:04:13 pm

Nope, this is not a he said, she said.

On the one side we have 900 years of history well documented by literally thousands of qualified historians and academics from sources spanning dozens of countries over hundreds of years.

On the other, we have a clique of totally unqualified wannabees who are all well connected to each other gathering alleged Templar documents supposedly found in North America (of all places) with not a single one vetted by proper professionals.
It'e freaking amazing how the "Friends of Wolter" can find so many Templar documents all in the same time frame and in a small area of North America, a continent where the Templars have never been known to operate and was not even discovered untill long after the Templars were disbanded.

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Jim
11/13/2018 11:02:00 am

The gate is open, and objectivity left the barn a long time ago.
Wolter is not in the least bit objective, and completely rejects the plethora of highly accredited main stream historians, scientists or academics who disagree with his version of history.
Can you spell " conspiracy theory " ?

Are you a Christian Patrick ? Wolter would have us believe that Jesus was a Goddess worshiping Templar. If this is so then it follows that Christianity in it's entirety was a scam perpetrated by the Templars. Put simply, one cannot be a Christian and believe Wolter. There is no grey area !
Jesus Christ is probably the most studied and researched person to ever live. And yet it took Wolter with zero evidence to discover Jesus was a Templar. Can you explain that to me OBJECTIVELY ?

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American cool "Disco" Dan
11/13/2018 05:16:18 pm

(Raises hand) It's very simple: Scott Wolter is an idiot.

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Patrick Shekleton
11/13/2018 06:45:29 pm

Jim...Christians. Do you mean the Roman Catholic variety of Christianity? Such as the Roman Catholic Church? Where I sat for Mass for my entire youth listening as the priests bashed persons of the Mormon, Jewish, and Moslem faiths while they molested the altar boys? By the "highly accredited main stream historians, scientists, or academics" who were too indifferent to ask the simple question of where the ZERO longitude unit scale was located on the 1427 Clavus Map...or what those numeric values with West and North heading references meant on the Spirit Pond Rune Stones...or would it be the folks on this blog from the past who scoffed at the assertion that the Egg on the NT was azimuthally-positioned on the structure in alignment with the KRS discovery location - without even going to structure to determine exactly what azimuth range the Egg was positioned? Which one is it, Jim? I don't focus any research on Jesus, his tomb, Goddess-worship, Baphomet, Gothic Xs, Oreo cookies, or buried treasure. There are some surreptitious elements in the Templar assertions. I was wondering when someone was going to be perceptive enough to write of it.

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Jim
11/13/2018 07:12:46 pm

I take it your answer is "no" then?

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/14/2018 12:58:37 pm

I blame the altar boys. It's not normal for a grown man to whip it out in front of a young boy. Who doesn't know that? Boner business has no business being in the sacristy. Treat your body like an amusement park with the aid of a Glamour magazine if you must but yuck, who wants a priest in the room?

Mike Morgan
11/13/2018 06:58:31 pm

Muir confesses to lying! "I may have lied ...". Certainly reinforces trust in her, right?

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, Diana, Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

In a comments today under Wolter's blog post, Anonymous wrote in part: "My Taurus meter is pegged with Ms. Muir's changing story. I can see the steam rising, and a few flies. Just waiting to see what grows out of it."
Wolter's defense of Muir, in part: "You are correct that Diana's story has changed and some information she has provided has not been correct."
And Muir, in part: "My story regarding how I acquired the journals has never changed even though some have claimed I stole them. What changed was the fact that I threw them away after being convinced they were fraudulent and didn't tell Scott for almost a year. When I threw them away I didn't know Scott well and had only met him 2x, and the other person in the equation - never, only on the phone. I'd heard all the good and the bad and hadn't learned to trust him yet. Yes, I made up a story as to why I didn't have them, based on something that had happened 10 years ago. But I was paranoid, scared and I panicked. I may have lied about that but I've never changed my story about how I got them, what they are or what they say.

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Jim
11/13/2018 08:10:43 pm

Be sitting down for this:

Scott:

"There is nothing that will change the debunkers minds as they still have to come forward with even a bit of evidence to prove the KRS a hoax. All we see is speculation and nonsense."

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Jim
11/14/2018 07:41:45 pm

Anon November 13, 2018 at 4:47 PM

"Cool with me:
Diana, you seem to be a very well educated person. Did you bring these document to a qualified historian or University for their opinion first and if so what was their response?
Or was your first choice Scott and Hutton ?"

Diana Muir November 14, 2018 at 12:32 PM

"Actually I did take them to a major university with an archaeology and anthropology department. It's also a major research university. When I told them what I "thought" I had, they declined to deal with them because they didn't want to tarnish their reputation by dealing with fringe science. I was brought up in a very traditional school system that was aligned to national and state standards, always teaching the 'approved' curriculum. Although I was very familiar with colonial American history, I'd never heard of people like Farley Mowat and had no idea there were alternative theories of history out there. When the university declined to become involved, I sought out those some consider to be in 'fringe science' realm wondering if they could help. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/14/2018 08:52:03 pm

Farley Mowat? SMFH. In other news Wolter has deleted a post he previously approved because it mentioned Jason's surname.

Should have found a university with a History department or a Classics department or an English department.

This just gets better and better.

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Jim
11/14/2018 09:00:51 pm

Farley Mowat

"never let the facts get in the way of the truth"

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/14/2018 09:36:53 pm

Diana, sweetie, Mormonism is an "alternative theory of history" with its false tale of Jesus appearing to the Injuns. Someone else here thinks your God is both insane and evil but that's a dick thing to say and you won't here it from me.

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Doc Rock
11/15/2018 02:44:29 pm

Jim,

Her story doesn't help her case. She took the material to "A" department at "A" university and told them what she "thought" that she had. The better approach would have been to show the material to multiple people at multiple institutions and with minimal preamble ask if they would take a look at it and comment on the authenticity of the diary in terms of the material that it is made of and in relation to the historical context discussed.

The choice of archaeologists and anthropologists as opposed to trained archivists, historians of the relevant periods, or historical linguists is somewhat of a head-scratcher. Unless they had some historical anthropologists or historical linguists on staff qualified to comment on it.

Outside of academics there are certified professional manuscript appraisers who for a fee would take a look at it no matter what her thoughts about it are.

It just sounds like an amateur play by someone who is supposed to be a seasoned veteran of genealogical and historic research, if it even actually happened the way she claims.

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Mike Morgan
11/15/2018 02:15:15 pm

Oh my! I, and others, seem to have touched an exposed nerve. I am only paraphrasing because Wolter has issued a cease and desist plea for CCP from his blog and/or from the comment thread without permission(s). I, being a gentleman, will honor his plea and confine myself to paraphrasing, with the hope that I do so accurately. Of course, since he specifically mentions only, and I again only paraphrase, cut and paste of material, I guess direct quotes and screenshots are still fair game? :>)

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Jim
11/15/2018 03:01:10 pm

Mike,
Goodness gracious, I hope Jason doesn't apply the same rule. If he had, I wouldn't post this partial recent comment by Monica Parkes, who seems to be a close friend and confidante of Muir.
Even though recent, the post is somewhat buried in the comments of this blog entry

Monica Parkes:

She might not be able to translate more than the words that deal with personal names, born, married, died, dates, places and such but she can certainly read the letters and type them into a translator.

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Jim
11/15/2018 03:02:01 pm

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/more-sinclair-diaries-claims-plus-freemasons-and-templar-worship-of-baphomet#comments

Joe Scales
11/16/2018 10:03:54 am

Monica = Philyaw

Jim
11/16/2018 04:50:16 pm

Look you guys, if you don't buy into the Prince Henry - Templar thing, maybe this 10 book series is for you. Also by Muir.

http://www.lulu.com/shop/diana-j-muir/ancestors-and-the-first-4-generations-of-descendants-of-prince-henry-sinclair/paperback/product-23792797.html

"A culmination of more than 30 years of research, this first volume (in a series of 10) gives us the ancestors of Prince Henry Sinclair, showing how he came to be the Earl of Scotland the Jarl of Orkney, a protectorate of Norway."

There doesn't seem to be any mention of Templars in this set so we have something for everyone this xmas.
30 years of research, and then she conveniently finds a pre-written story meets Wolter and viola TEMPLARS.

Remind anyone of the Kensington Rune Stone ? 100 years of arguing about Vikings in America, add in Wolter and viola TEMPLARS.

Another 10 series set, looks like she is gunning for Pulitzers prolific book writing record.

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Patrick Shekleton
11/17/2018 04:49:07 pm

The asserted connection between Freemasonry (Templars) and Pre-Columbian exploration of North America had been written of in 1937:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.32106000633906;view=1up;seq=157

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/17/2018 05:03:39 pm

Because we know that Freemasons are not Templars (the fact that Wolter says they are is sufficient proof that they are not), does the text you cite mention Templars anywhere?

Jim
11/17/2018 06:00:00 pm

Nice book, I see they also write about a magic gem,a carbunkle taken from the head of a giant snake,,,,,,,,,,,,
therefore, obviously,,,,,,,,,, Templars !

They also poo-pooed on the idea of a windmill in Newport in favor of a 1008 Viking church.

Maybe "vet" your sources a little better.

Priceless Defender
11/28/2018 05:24:52 pm

I've heard speculation about Templar /Freemasonry connection all my life. The first time I came across it in print was,

"Born In Blood"
John J. Robinson
1989
ISBN 0-87131-602-1

In regards to the Newport Tower. Anyone NOT seeing the built-in astronomical functions is just plain burying their heads in the sand.

Patrick Shekleton
11/17/2018 06:28:42 pm

Freemasonry in Newport in 1658. Ironic that an obscure historical detail of this nature survived yet nothing is found on the construction of the Newport Tower. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t3417j72k;view=1up;seq=28

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/17/2018 08:15:48 pm

Freemasons touched me where my bathing suit covers. Ironic that that historical detail survived, yet NO ONE said "Hey! When we arrived there was this bitchin' tower!"

Because it wasn't there when they arrived.

You Patrick, have made much of "I Patrick don't believe that Arnold saw any of the similar mills in England or Europe.' This is easily countered by pointing out that a) You don't know, and b) Arnold DIDN'T BUILD THE GD TOWER! He had staff for that.

Be better. This is not Scott Wolter fantasy-land.

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Patrick Shekleton
11/18/2018 10:03:43 pm

ACDD,
I have stated, in reference to the oft-posited notion that the Chesterton Mill was the inspiration for the NT, that it has little merit. 140 years ago when a mistaken notion placed Arnold's birthplace just a few miles away from Chesterton, the connection between Chesterton-Arnold-NT had merit. Not so today. Chesterton was, as the crow flies, about 98 miles away from Arnold's birthplace. You are absolutely correct that "I don't know" if, somehow, Arnold made it to Chesterton, for there is no record of it happening. No record means no record. Unless you are a Wikipedia editor who takes "no record" and fills the vacuum by concocting a B.S. story that a road ran from Arnold's birthplace to within a few miles of Chesterton, therefore, implicitly, Chesterton plausibly served as Arnold's model for the NT. So ACDD, your comment just reinforced the entire point about Chesterton being a red herring - which it is. Congrats on the addition of "Arnold's staff" to the historical discussion. Unnamed individuals, uncited sourcing, and above all none of them could write or speak for, again, not a single record of the construction exists. Not even an anecdotal account. But the same applies to Chesterton...and it doesn't stop that chestnut from still being mentioned. That email grew legs...which is fine.

Jim
11/18/2018 10:28:00 pm

It's curious Patrick, that you would cite a lack of evidence to try to prove that Arnold didn't build the mill.
You seem to think Templars built the mill with ZERO credible evidence ! Comparatively speaking, pretty much all evidence speaks to a colonial building that was owned by Arnold.
Therefore Templar ? Your argument has no merit.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/18/2018 10:53:15 pm

"not a single record of the construction exists. Not even an anecdotal account."

Fish, meet barrel. There's also no record of the tower being there when the English arrived. Therefore it wasn't, RIGHT?

And yes it's entirely possible that the builder or builders who built it for Arnold or the previous owner couldn't read or write. It's also possible they were slaves so there would be no record of payment.

A journey of 98 miles is far from impossible. Thomas Jefferson routinely traveled a longer distance between Washington, DC and Monticello USING THE SAME TECHNOLOGY.

Don't be a Wolter. Don't be an idiot. But I repeat myself.

Enough of this made-up history huggery-tuggery Sirrah!

Joe Scales
11/19/2018 10:50:11 am

Patrick, let's just quit pretending you have any credibility whatsoever; especially when the Newport Tower comes up. You published reverse negative images of the tower from above and made the wholly ridiculous claim that somehow the remnants of a chancel could be spotted. Add to this the fact that in reversing the negative, the trees that shot your claim to hell were harder to recognize.

You are a fraud sir. A fraud.

Patrick Shekleton
11/19/2018 01:17:33 pm

Arbor Day is five months away, Joe. You're a tad early. Then again, that's over 150 opportunistic days of drinking you won't pass up. It's pretty bad when your long-time blog colleagues throw you under the bus, heh?

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/19/2018 02:08:24 pm

You're the only one mentioning Arbor Day and no one's thrown Joe under the bus. What is your major malfunction?

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Joe Scales
11/19/2018 03:02:31 pm

Patrick, you are my favorite sort of imbecile 'round these parts. So blissfully impervious to the notion that you're really, truly, deep down... dumb. And I mean the worst sort of dumb. The sort of dumb that can't fathom just how bereft of intelligence that their lot in life has cast for them, and unbelievably mistake this utter confusion for true insight. Certainly there are others here that share your gift, who much to their chagrin I choose to ignore.... but that's only because when you get past their blustering, in the end it's only boredom they inspire. But not you Patrick. You're the difference between the crappy tube of smoked cheese in a gift basket and a fine Boerenkaas. It is my pleasure to engage such a rare specimen as you.

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Patrick Shekleton
11/19/2018 03:36:29 pm

Mix another, Joe. Then pull out some negatives and find some more rectangular trees. Do Mr. Myagi proud.

Joe Scales
11/19/2018 09:19:02 pm

Patrick, you imbecile, you can't even get your slurs straight. Maybe next time you're cleaning your Nazi... uh... I mean WW2 collectibles, you might not want to inhale the fumes from the polish.

Jim
11/19/2018 03:56:12 pm

Wow,,, still arguing a scratch on a aerial photo of the Newport Tower is a Templar chancel.
Hahahahahahaha
Patrick, look at the photo in the 1937 Newport brochure, can you see the tree that you say does not exist ? Look at the unusually large branch reaching out and touching the tower, now look at your 1937 aerial photo. EXACT MATCH
What is wrong with you ?

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Joe Scales
11/19/2018 09:27:01 pm

When do you suppose Patrick even realized it was a reverse negative image? I can just imagine it seeping over him... the despair of true ignorance. Then of course he simply Woltered it away...

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Jim
11/20/2018 04:33:00 pm

"Woltered it away...", lol, they completely Woltered away two huge mature trees and then decided grainy 1937 aerial photos could discern underground features through said tree canopies that couldn't even be found with ground penetrating radar !
And then along comes Patrick still proclaiming they are right, and that he is completely objective.

Joe Scales
11/20/2018 05:04:20 pm

Patrick can't even keep the sources straight for his slurs. Apparently, I have someone else's drinking problem...

Joe Scales
11/26/2018 12:10:10 pm

More lies from Wolter today in regard to the non-existent peer review for his "work":

"Doug Weller is the editor who has not allowed citations for the scientific work of myself, and the ground-breaking runological work by Dr. Richard Nielsen on the Kensington Rune Stone. Both his and my work were independently peer-reviewed, in writing, by the top experts in appropriately disciplines. At that point, whether an existing publishing company, or ourselves personally in this case, paid to have the work assembled and published should be irrelevant. The work was peer-reviewed, professionally edited, formatted and printed and should be judged on merit rather than a technicality. "

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/26/2018 03:09:30 pm

More of Wolter's misunderstanding or more likely denial of what peer review is. The reviewer works for the publisher, not the author. Giving your draft to friends, coworkers, and employees is not peer review.

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Joe Scales
11/26/2018 08:35:50 pm

Yeah, I remember when he tried to pass off liner notes from Professor Williams and Alice Kehoe as "peer review". Ironic because he completely ignored their suggested edits to his book draft. Kehoe wrote him off soon thereafter, claiming on Twitter that the History Channel had gone to hell. Then she scrubbed him from her subsequent takes on the Kensington Rune Stone. Yet Wolter still clings to her as validating his "work".

Jim
11/26/2018 06:13:07 pm

The lie that keeps giving :

"As I previously stated, the technical peer review of the content of "The Kensington Rune Stone: Compelling New Evidence" was completed prior to the publication of the book. If ensuring quality content is the purpose of Wiki being cautious about self-published material, they have nothing to fear.

To continue to censor the deprives the public of the facts surrounding this important artifact and reeks of something nefarious. However, I would love to be proven wrong about that."

Seriously he expects wiki to accept nonexistent peer reviews that no one has ever seen ? Just take his word that they even exist ?
Dosen't work that way, considering he tried to pass off a chunk of lead as silver pirate treasure to the president of Madagascar.
The man has zero credibility.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
11/26/2018 07:50:02 pm

Leave us not forget the Great Great Lakes Agate Caper which reasonable people (like the judge) could believe indicated either fraud or incompetence in a claimed area of expertise.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/scott-wolter-lawsuit.html

Jim
11/27/2018 10:45:52 am

Get your popcorn and pepto-bismol ready.

https://twitter.com/RealScottWolter?lang=en

Jimmy Church,guest Scott Wolter, Nov. 28

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Jim
11/27/2018 01:43:50 pm

I an gonna plop this right here before Scott has a chance to delete it:

Scott:

"It would be nice if you would identify yourself as a courtesy.
I know you probably think it doesn't matter, but I do,

Finally, some legitimate geological questions. First, you need to realize Dr. Wieblen ran only one microprobe traverse (I was present when he did it) and it was on the exterior, glaical-aged weathered end of the core which, of course, no longer has any micas present.

As I wrote in my report, the primary agents that mechanically (not chemically) weathered the micas were repeated cycles of wetting-drying and freezing-thawing. Weathering of the hydro-thermally deposited calcite on the face side of the stone with several runes carved into it would be impacted primarily by the acidity of meteoric water coming into contact with the calcite. The limey till on Rune Stone hill has a relatively high pH (9-11) and therefore actually preserved the carvings in the calcite. Dissolution of calcite in acidic water is a chemical process and completely different than mechanical processes that affected the micas.

Good questions!"

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Jim
11/27/2018 02:37:20 pm

PH balance of 9-11,,,, right, Runestone Park would look like the surface of mars.

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Joe Scales
11/27/2018 08:26:17 pm

Business as usual for Wolter. He works backwards from his chosen conclusion. If the stone was exposed to the elements for even a couple decades, the runes carved in calcite would be illegible. So the makers must have buried it. But then the elements in the soil, rife with rotting foliage and tree roots, would have easily done the job as well, eroding the runes carved in calcite. So he then concludes that the soil must have had a super high PH for those 500 plus years.

This is how pretend science works.

Jim
11/27/2018 09:04:39 pm

Ya, After his lies, I showed that there was no evidence of biotite in the interior of the KRS but he booted me again,(3rd time this blog) and wouldn't publish the comment. LOL.

And just when I thought we were buds !
"Finally, some legitimate geological questions"
Hey Scott, buddy, you can't handle geological questions !

Joe Scales
11/28/2018 10:14:20 am

"I understand how science works and if you think I'm being untruthful then I'm sorry you feel that way. I can assure you the peer reviews exist and are available for review to qualified individuals. My concern is having hate bloggers harass the individuals as they have done in the past when I received an honorary Masters Degree from my professors personally for publishing my first book, not formally from the University. That harassment caused great anxiety to my then retired and now deceased professor at the time and I WILL NOT allow that to happen again. "

Translation: Academics who may have given me the benefit of the doubt in the past, do not wish for me to envelope them within my lies.

Here's one for Wolter. Name one true academic who worked with him in the past that continues to do so with his latest ventures. Pretty much says it all right there.

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Jim
11/28/2018 11:10:15 am

Good God,,,,

Diana Muir:

"It seems that the 'grand debunker' did try to reach me, but through Twitter. He was apparently responding to a mass message I'd sent out through Twitter, which I never use. For some reason he thinks the book is $95; sorry only $40. Regardless, he is blocked now and won't be getting any more Twitter feed."

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