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The Strange Case of the Yonaguni Tablets: Paleo-Sanskrit from Atlantis?

6/30/2017

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​I saw on the Ancient Origins Facebook page a series of photographs depicting what are claimed to be “Paleo-Sanskrit” inscriptions on broken tablets recovered from the geological formation known as the Yonaguni Monument because lost civilization believers think the underwater rock is the remains of an Ice Age temple. The pictures were new to me, but apparently they have been in circulation online for at least two years as part of a Hindu supremacist effort to argue that Yonaguni is a Vedic site.
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​Take a look at one of the pictures. The art style appears at first glance to be modern, from the “talentless, childish scrawl” school of art seen on other crude forgeries, such as the Father Crespi artifacts, the Michigan Relics, the Burrows Cave artifacts, etc. It never ceases to amaze me how the most “important” artifacts on Earth, those that would rewrite history as we know it, were mostly made by the very worst student artists and rank amateurs. Surely someone who saw an alien or met someone from Atlantis had the artistic skill to draw a decent image.

​The website where these pictures were apparently first posted promotes all manner of fringe beliefs and has accepted a wide range of hoaxes and frauds as evidence of a lost ancient Vedic world culture.
 
Regardless of where the pictures of the tablets came from, the claim of inscriptions stems from an earlier allegation, apparently from 2013, that a diver found characters “carved” into the so-called human head feature at Yonaguni. This in turn seems to derive from a 1991 claim by a Japanese believer in the lost continent of Mu. Masaaki Kimura alleged in his book Mu tairiku wa Ryukyu ni atta (The Continent of Mu was in Ryukyu) that there were images of people and animals carved on the rocks, along with a horse-like image that Kimura alleged was a primitive version of Yonaguni’s indigenous writing system, the Kaidā glyphs. It is my understanding that the glyphs were first recorded in the seventeenth century CE. Needless to say, mainstream observers have failed to confirm the existence of anything but cracks and fractures on the Yongauni “monument.”
 
From this, a legend has grown up that the “face” on the monument—also first identified by Kimura—contained a large number of inscribed characters. More recently, Hindu nationalists have alleged that these characters were not Kaidā glyphs but rather Paleo-Sanskrit, a proposed ancient language otherwise unattested outside the work of Kurt Schildmann, a deceased German fringe history believer who produced what the English translation of his work produced by Hindu nationalists describes this way:
This 79-page selection from the ultimate work of expert epigrapher Professor Kurt Schildmann comprises the definitive decipherment of Paleolithic texts from the Indus Valley, Pakistan; the Illinois Cave Archive, US; Glozel, France and Tayos Cave, Ecuador.
 
Unparalleled insights related in this text regarding the highly advanced technologies of our ancient Sanskrit world culture, including the related phenomena of 'alien' abduction, subterranean bases and cattle mutilation, place this work in the class of 'sensitive' material marked for censorship.
All the classics: The fake cave where Erich von Däniken pretended to find the alien library that ended up being conflated with the fake Crespi artifacts, the massive hoax that is Burrows Cave, and the Glozel hoax! Apparently Schildmann was Zecharia Sitchin with fewer scruples about making things up. His Paleo-Sanskrit was allegedly the language of Atlantis, according to fringe websites.
 
So now we have the alleged Yonaguni tablets “revealed” to be non-existent Paleo-Sanskrit, which in turn “reveals” that the tablets reflect modern yoga-style Hindu cosmology. Note, too, that whoever made the “translation” has hidden this a bit by translating the name of the Vedic storm god Indra by the name of the Roman god Jupiter. 
35 Comments
Kal
6/30/2017 11:35:36 am

First.

This is an obvious fake. How arew they ascribing Jupiter (a Roman God) with a Hindu one? Also I'd agree, it really, really looks fake. The carvings reflect some modern over writing on top of some random scribbles. I'd suspect whoever found it, carved on it.

The stick figure and the stepped pyramid are odd, as though someone is trying to say, look at my cute pyramid.

It certainly says nothing Hindu and looks more like something modern made to look like something from Ancient Aliens.

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BigNick
6/30/2017 12:05:47 pm

While I agree it does not seem real, I think it is important to point out that by saying something is an obvious fake after seeing a picture on the internet is almost as bad a what Scott Wolter does.

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Americanegro
6/30/2017 12:47:16 pm

No. No, it's really not.

Americanegro
6/30/2017 03:03:10 pm

"It certainly says nothing Hindu" Dude, take your pompous ass hat off. You don't know what it says or doesn't say and Hindu is not a language.

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Terra
1/4/2022 06:54:39 pm

These are the okinawan rosetta stones found in the 1950's during the war. Its not jupiter the God you ding dong, its Jupiter the planet. It doesnt actually say the word Jupiter, its referring to the planet itself, that it how the planet was represented in proto writing, the symbol on the top of the clay tablet inside the circle. There were several tablets found actually. The human race has known about the planets for thousands of years. Mesopotamia/Indus civillizations/ Egyptians/ Austranesians/ Olmecs/ Mayans, they have all had a systems related to the stars and planets, and they were civillizations that were a lot older than your romans. Its translated as Jupiter so the laymans can understand what planet it refers to. The proto writing on this tablet is very distinctive, the comparison with proto cuneiform (the oldest writing system) is astonishing. The japanese archipelago/Taiwan/Phillipines/Indonesia/Pacific Islands have been austranesian dominant for thousands of years, their mitochondrial haplogroup B is 50,000 years old. The Jomon / Austranesians also have pottery that dates back to 10,500 BC. Pottery is usually a sign of advancement in civillization, So it would be interesting to see the C14 dating on these tablets. The different ziggurats on this tablet makes sense, as the austranesians were also ancient Builders of ziggurat structures.

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Bob Jase
6/30/2017 11:43:24 am

Once again what would be an amazing find has zero documented provenance. Its almost as if people were making these things up. People w/o talent or knowledge in fact.

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Bob Jase
6/30/2017 11:44:12 am

dammit, didn't hit the notify button

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Americanegro
6/30/2017 10:10:01 pm

What you didn't do was check the notify box.

Only Me
6/30/2017 12:32:23 pm

Since actual experts—including Rober Schoch!—have said Yonaguni is a natural formation, IF the alleged inscriptions existed, then we're talking about ancient graffiti.

>>>It never ceases to amaze me how the most “important” artifacts on Earth, those that would rewrite history as we know it, were mostly made by the very worst student artists and rank amateurs.<<<

It never ceases to amaze *me* how these artifacts are upheld by nationalists or supremacists to serve their agendas.

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TONY S.
7/1/2017 12:54:24 am

I "reminded" Graham Hancock on his Facebook page last year that his buddy Schoch was one of the geologists that pronounced it natural. For some reason it seemed to irritate him.

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Only Me
7/1/2017 01:38:03 am

Hancock reacts to science the same way vampires react to garlic.

JWC
6/30/2017 02:00:43 pm

The tablet in the photo looks quasi-Mesopotamian to me, and it seems read as follows:

Left (reading down): May Inanna (dwelling) in her holy cella by the ziggurat fill the well(s) for the seven (ie, the holy number) fields next to the cattle pen(s) (so that) barley should grow;
Right (reading down): (also so that) in the cattle pen(s) by the ruin-mound (ie, tell) there should grow [many calves?].

Sorry for this, but I just could not resist. It really is easy to derive meaning from almost any object with scratches or symbols; all one needs is imagination (or, too much time on one's hands).

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Bob Jase
6/30/2017 02:49:30 pm

Remind me to someday post my translation of the Phaistos Disk.

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Americanegro
6/30/2017 02:56:43 pm

The Paleo-Sanskrit stuff sounds like nonsense, but it's easy to see anything you want. For instance, without trying I see:

A ziggurat of five levels to the left of which is the Chinese/Japanese numeral 5

Above the 5, in a box to the left of the four balls (Van de Graaff generators?) is the Chinese/Japanese numeral 9 (5+4=9)

There's lots and lots of Ogham if we apply the Wolter Standard for what is Ogham

At the top in the circle is the number 15 in Roman numeral form

Directly below the ziggurat on the right is the Chinese number 22. There are 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet.

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David Bradbury
6/30/2017 03:42:51 pm

The stone in your illustration seems not to be from Yonaguni (where the inscriptions are allegedly carved on the stone structure) but from the island of Okinawa, one of a number which have been found there. See, for example, the entries at the bottom of this page:
https://www.ancient-atlantis.com/pyramids-mysteries-ancient-japan/

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Americanegro
6/30/2017 05:22:49 pm

Jesus Christ in a compromising position! Were you brought up in a Home for the Tiresome? How the Saint Francis do you know where the stone came from?

Guess where Yonaguni is? Okinawa, yo. And more importantly from a historical point of view, the Ryukyu Islands.

Here's a tip: maybe don't cite websites with "Atlantis" in the name. That site STARTS with a rant against "scholars" and "academics".

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David Bradbury
6/30/2017 06:39:39 pm

We have, unfortunately, a vicious circle sort of problem. The only people who take the Okinawa Stones seriously enough to write about them are fringe theorists, therefore trustworthy information is very hard to find. Here, however, is a source which at least gives some details of the original find circumstances, on Okinawa island itself, hundreds of kilometres from the remote Yonaguni:
https://konosos.net/2012/05/28/the-okinawan-sekiban-%E7%9F%B3%E7%89%88/
[original url contained Japanese characters]

Americanegro
6/30/2017 07:24:41 pm

Another exhibit from the More Goddamn Nonsense Cabinet of Curiosities. A Sitchin for the new century.

"Here, however, is a source which at least gives some details of the original find circumstances, on Okinawa island itself, hundreds of kilometres from the remote Yonagun"

NOT OF THIS STONE YOU A55.

David Bradbury
7/1/2017 05:50:52 am

My first reference (the Atlantis site) did claim that this specific stone was found on Okinawa; my second reference was an attempt to back up the general validity of the first. Here's a third, from the local museum's catalogue, giving the location for this specific stone as Chatan on Okinawa:
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.museums.pref.okinawa.jp/search/museum/detail.php%3Fc%3D21%26code%3D228449%26hid%3D07000021%26eid%3D00%26oid%3D168051&prev=search

Jason Colavito link
6/30/2017 07:25:59 pm

Isn't it amazing the way these sorts of artifacts end up with many different claims attached to them? I don't trust anything I see on Facebook, and the article you linked to seems to show the origin of the confusion: the symbols are allegedly the same as those of Yonaguni!

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TONY S.
7/1/2017 12:59:51 am

It's amazing too, that after the site was pronounced natural the fringe community grabbed onto and dug into it like a bullrider riding a bucking bronco, refusing to let it go. They simply cannot embrace reality; they're like children throwing tantrums because they aren't given their way. When I first read about Yonaguni seventeen years ago I thought it would be fairly quickly forgotten after it was examined. Silly me.

Brian
6/30/2017 04:54:39 pm

Well, I suppose there's some small comfort in that America doesn't seem to have a monopoly on fringe loonies.

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goofy
6/30/2017 08:32:02 pm

I guess the translation ("Indra asu" etc) is supposed to be "Paleo-Sanskrit" but it has classical Sanskrit words like "cakra" and "tridaṣa". The translator is Kurt Schildmann, who has found "Paleo-Sanskrit" in the Indus Valley script and Illinois caves as well.

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goofy
6/30/2017 09:02:26 pm

And you said that but I read too fast!

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Americanigger
6/30/2017 08:47:03 pm

I don't getit masser, can yuz xplain it tuz me

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BigNick
6/30/2017 09:15:45 pm

Eat shit and die, asshole.

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Americanegro
6/30/2017 10:15:10 pm

Are you working on an 18 pack or a 30 pack tonight? How many beers in are you, Johnny "I Can't Cope"?

Hmm. This is the behavior of someone who got their ass kicked under their usual name and thinks it's important enough to retaliate. Go to town, go crazy, have at it, do your thing, whatever.

I'll be over here, looking GOOOOOOOD.

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Bill Birkeland
7/2/2017 12:38:09 pm

There are two other red flags besides its freash appearance and nonsensical inscription. First, there is lack of any well documented archaeological provenience. Finally, the Yonaguni pseudo-monument lies in a highly dynamic and entergenic shoreface environment that wouldhave reduced this tablet quite quickly to pea gravel and sand-size fragments.

As far as the Yonaguni pseudo-monument is concerned, it is exactly what systematic jointed bedrock that has been stripped of any regolith by shoreface erosion looks like. Technically speaking, might be considered a submarine version of a terrestrial etchsurface.

For etchsurafce, go see:

Ebert, K., 2009. Terminology of long-term geomorphology: a Scandinavian perspective. Progress in physical geography,
33(2), pp. 163-182.

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David Bradbury
7/2/2017 01:21:47 pm

As I noted above with reference to the holding museum's catalogue, the provenience of the inscription tablets does seem to be tolerably well-documented- but it's in Japanese, and the fringers are simply unaware that the isolated island of Yonaguni is about as far from this tablet's find-spot on Okinawa island as Toronto is from Montreal.

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Americanegro
7/2/2017 08:54:33 pm

When you say "noted" you mean "didn't note", right? Because you did not.

"Here, however, is a source which at least gives some details of the original find circumstances, on Okinawa island itself, hundreds of kilometres from the remote Yonaguni:
https://konosos.net/2012/05/28/the-okinawan-sekiban-%E7%9F%B3%E7%89%88/
[original url contained Japanese characters]"

Where the FIRETRUCK did it say that THIS TABLET was found on Okinawa Island and NOT on Yonaguni?

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Only Me
7/3/2017 01:19:54 am

It's in his third reference.

>>>Here's a third, from the local museum's catalogue, giving the location for this specific stone as Chatan on Okinawa:
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.museums.pref.okinawa.jp/search/museum/detail.php%3Fc%3D21%26code%3D228449%26hid%3D07000021%26eid%3D00%26oid%3D168051&prev=search<<<

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Americanegro
7/3/2017 02:58:58 am

"Document Title: Chatan Village Kamijo Uehimori Collection Stone Stone [sic]"

Oh, retard. It's a document title. It's the name of a collection.

IT DOESN'T TELL WHERE THE STONE WAS FOUND.

David Bradbury
7/3/2017 03:33:14 am

There may be something significant you're missing :-)

Only Me
7/3/2017 05:43:17 am

I've tried finding *anyone* who could provide an answer as to where the "Okinawa Rosetta Stone" may have been found and...hoo boy.

Of the online sources (mostly fringe, of course), the most common explanation is the stone is one of 10 or 12 found on the west coast of Okinawa in the early 1950s.

I also found a PDF of a paper written by Masaaki Kimura in 2004 that may shed some light on the "connection" between the stone and Yonaguni. From that paper:

"Behind a huge corner rock of the retaining wall, a palette-shaped piece of stone was retrieved. The corner stone of the retaining wall recently collapsed during a 1994 typhoon at the depth of 23 m, the end of the loop road. It measures about 24 cm long, 16 cm wide, and 2 cm thick. It is made by black shale of the Yaeyama Group, distinguished by very thin black layers, and inscribed on it are two symbols. One looks like a cross mark, or the Roman numeral for ten (Fig. 2-D), and the other like a V, or the Roman numeral five. Those are similar to markings on the 'Rosetta Stone of Okinawa' that was found on land in Okinawa, the main island."

Here's the link to that PDF:

kimuramasaaki.sakura.ne.jp/Site1/Ronbun_files/KimuraOcean04.pdf





David Bradbury
7/3/2017 08:02:05 am

Wow! Figure 2-D is really large and clear

Not.


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