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Thomas Molyneux and the Bones of Giants

1/5/2016

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Yesterday a couple of previously repaired tiles from before I owned my house started to come loose in my shower. I had hoped it would be a simple fix, but after taking one off in the hopes of regluing it quickly became evident that the old owners of my house had done a bad job tiling over water damage that had only grown worse over the years. As a result, I have contractors rebuilding by entire shower from top to bottom due to decades of damage and rot that the old owners tiled over. It has not been a fun day. Or a cheap one. Oh, and of course they don’t make the tiles used in my bathroom anymore, so everything around the shower has to be retiled, too, unless there is a new trend for mixing and matching tiles.
So today I am unfortunately a bit preoccupied. Therefore, I haven’t much to share in terms of my blog except for a few odds and ends. One is an interesting passage from the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. It came to me from an abridgment made of various papers on human anatomy by John Lowthorp sometime before 1716, when the second edition (the one I have at hand) was published. Lowthorp was copying from Sir Thomas Molyneux, who in 1700 wrote “An Essay Concerning Giants” for the Transactions, so I turned to the original. From the passage quoted below it is evident that Molyneux beat Sir Hans Sloane by almost three decades in determining that the bones of “giants” were really those of megafauna, though he did not quite recognize the concepts of extinction of fossilization. As a result, I must revise my timeline and award Molyneux the laurel until a still older claimant can be found.
Remains, such I mean as are truly bone (for some are only natural petrifactions and lapides sui generis), were bones belonging to some of the biggest quadrupeds, as elephants, or some of the largest sort of fishes of the whale kind, called by Pliny in his Natural History, as they are here by Seutonius Belluae, and Belluae marine. And I am persuaded by what I have seen myself of the like kind, that the large tooth mentioned by Ol. Wormius in his Museaeum, and afterwards particularly described and figured by Thomas Bartholine in his Centuria I. Historiarum Anatomicarum Historia 98, which they both thought and would have us believe from its resemblance, was a Canine tooth of a Giant, was nothing else than the tooth of the Cetus Dentatus or Spermaceti-whale.
So why doesn’t Monyneux have the same fame as Sloane and Georges Cuvier in debunking giants? Well, Molyneux, while a skeptic of most claims, believed in giants and thought he had proof of a 12 foot tall giant in the form of a large frontal bone or os frontis (measuring 9.1 by 12.2 inches) kept in the medical college at Leyden and first reported in England in the 1680s. The majority of his article was devoted to explaining why the skull is human and how its large size must correlate to an exceptionally tall man.
 
Writing in the 1860s, the natural historian, surgeon, and zoologist Francis T. Buckland disputed Molyneux’s view that the large os frontis indicated a massive human, and he attributed the abnormally large bone to hydrocephaly. So far as I know, no one thereafter disputed that assessment, and it was also the conclusion of Dr. Jan Bondeson, writing in A Cabinet of Medical Curiosities in 1997. The bone seems to have dropped out of gigantology literature after the 1800s, though it pops up in Charles de Loach’s Giants: A Reference Guide (1995) as evidence of giants and occasionally on the web. 
8 Comments
Shane Sullivan
1/5/2016 02:42:20 pm

Goodness me, sorry to hear about your bathroom! If it happened to me, I'd replace the tiles with plexiglass ones with vintage nudie cards in them. Then maybe someone would actually want to peek in my shower...

Anyhow, you're a trooper for giving us a blog entry today. Thanks.

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Jerky
1/5/2016 03:34:10 pm

We have that same problem with 4 of our windows, they are made of small glass cubes stacked in a curved rectangle. Its a pain to replace one that gets damaged.

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Jerky
1/5/2016 07:30:11 pm

Edit: It's a pain to replace them because they are no longer being manufactured, and the few that pop up in the antique market go for way to much money.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
1/5/2016 05:53:39 pm

Probably because you plagiarized a webpage about giant tiles or once compared real Roman plumbing to claimed Atlantean plumbing...

Joking aside, it sounds rather frustrating.

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crainey
1/5/2016 06:00:31 pm

I had both my bathrooms completely rebuilt not very long ago. I feel your pain. At least it doesn't have to accommodate overly large humans!

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Crash55
1/5/2016 08:15:58 pm

I feel your pain. The former owner of my house knew just enough to be dangerous (biology professor at Siena) and 7 years later I am still fixing his screw ups

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V
1/6/2016 02:01:02 am

Actually, mix and match tile work IS a thing, but I would suggest looking into an acrylic one-piece shower surround. They're really nice, they come with pre-fab shelves and things to your choice, and there's no grout to collect mildew. We have them in both out bathrooms, and they're REALLY nice and it's all but impossible to collect water damage behind them if they're installed correctly.

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John McKay link
1/14/2016 12:15:58 am

Modern debates about whether giants' bones could have come from mega-fauna (usually elephants or whales, but occasionally hippos or walruses) go back at least to 1613 when the Parisian medical community debated a set of dienothere bones claimed to be those of the second century BCE Cimbri leader Theutobochus.

In the same year as Molyneux' article, the Philosophical Transactions published a piece (in Latin) by Wilhelm Ernst Tentzel describing some bones found at Tonna in Thuringia. Tentzel published his essay as a letter to Antonio Magliabechi, the librarian of the duke of Tuscany, two years before, so he can claim precedence over Molyneux. Tentzel's letter and a long essay he wrote for his own journal are fascinating because he brings together a number of stories about giants discovered in his century and determines them to have been elephants.

While his essays were circulating, Tentzel engaged in a correspondence with Leibniz about the bones. Leibniz was of the opinion that giant's bones found Germany probably came from walruses at a time when northern Germany was submerged beneath the North Sea.

I could go on and on. The giant's debates cover large parts of two chapters in my mammoth book.

PS - Last week I received an offer from a publisher.

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