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Thomas Sinclair's Wildly Racist Claim for Henry Sinclair's Discovery of America

3/29/2013

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I’m sure you remember Steve St. Clair and his Sinclair/St. Clair DNA Project. Despite his denials, his website states that he has had “no choice” but to investigate whether Native Americans intermarried with the Sinclair crew and thus inherited Sinclair DNA.* As you may know, Steve St. Clair isn’t the first person to suggest as much, and today I’d like to share with you the crazy racist ideas of Thomas Sinclair, another member of the extended Sinclair lineage from more than a century ago. His ideas lay bare the original agenda of the Sinclair fantasists, one that the modern representatives of the idea may not even be aware of.

[* This sentence was amended to remove a reference to the Knights Templar, which Steve St. Clair denies has a connection to the Sinclair story.]
Thomas Sinclair, M.A. wrote several books in the late 1800s, many of which focused on various aspects of the Sinclair lineage and bloodline. At the time, the dominant alternative theory was that the Norse had discovered America in Viking times, an idea that would eventually be proved true in 1960 with the discovery of L’anse-aux-Meadows. At the time, however, it was still speculative but widely entertained by scholars.

One must remember, of course, that at the time Britain was busy crafting its global empire and seeking a suitable myth in support of its imperial adventures. Granting the Norwegians pride of place in discovering America struck many as sacrilegious, hence the upswing in Prince Madoc stories of the “Welsh” discovery of America. Among the Scots, the Scottish Henry Sinclair seemed a better claimant. Because Henry held his earldom from the Norse king, he therefore could reasonably be attached to the Viking voyages to Vinland and thus allow him a plausible path to establishing the first colony in what is now North America. In America, by contrast, WASPs of all stripes expressed vague discomfort with the idea that an Italian (Columbus) had discovered America, an awkward fact for a country that legally discriminated against Italian immigrants.

So we come to Thomas Sinclair. Unhappy with the idea that an upstart and knave—and worse a mere “Italian”—had discovered America, he spoke out at the time of the 1893 Chicago World’s Fair, which as the Pan-Columbian Exposition was celebrating the 400th anniversary of Columbus’ voyage, though a year, late about the Sinclair claim to American glory. (This same World’s Fair featured the recreated Norse boat that many believe inspired the Minnesota Viking hoaxes, like the Kensington Rune Stone.) Thomas Sinclair founded an organization, the Society de Santo Claro (Sinclair in Latin) to promote the idea. He differs from most other Sinclair theorists in that he conflated the usual Henry Sinclair with his immediate successor, Henry II Sinclair, and claimed that the latter was the trans-Atlantic voyager. This isn’t really important.

What is important is what Thomas Sinclair thought happened when Henry II got to America. At the July 1893 meeting of the De Santo Claro Society, he bluntly claimed that Henry II “annexed America to his principality,” and thus the continent truly belonged to the Sinclair family. Worse, he claimed that the “continent never lost its white representatives,” who reigned over the benighted Native Americans. Just look at this, as reprinted in his Caithness Events:

Norse and Scotch were hardly the kind of people to neglect the possession of lands, not to say kingdoms; and there is no proof that they did not, again and again, plant colonists whose descendants are now in New England and on other parts of the Atlantic shore. White men would have thus been continuous in America from the ninth century till now, a most interesting problem to authenticate. It is true that Prince Henry, according to the Zeno biography, gave up at one time a colony there; but the book does not come to the close of his life; and he and his great-hearted son, Prince William of Orkney, Lord Nithsdale, Baron of Roslin, and the first recorded Earl of Caithness of his surname, were not the men to be baulked of their high objects. A land without limit like America, would appeal to their heroic persistency; and it is almost assured that they repeated again and again their occupation of the continent. Everyone knows of the traditional rumours that Christian bishops were among the Red Indians, some ascribing their advent to Ireland, some to Wales, whose Celtic books are full of a western land beyond the seas in much earlier centuries than those of Prince Henry and Prince William. It is most akin to historical fact that the clerical and laic white men of Indian legend, were colonists and conquerors from Scandinavia and Scotland; the annexing of savage kingdoms to the church of the pope being, especially in the 14th and 15th centuries, a positive madness of the brain. The Spaniards led by Columbus thought more of the conversion of the Indians to Christianity than they did of gold, though of this they are credited to have been supreme lovers. Later, Mexico and Peru had to be saved, and such salvation! The former, it is true, was by priest-sanctioned cannibalism a pandemonium of blood; and Christian fire may have purified that cookery horror off the face of the earth, as moral sanitation. The New England districts have yet a tale to tell, of Europeans, a century earlier than the Spaniards, carrying the religious and material civilisation of Europe and Asia there; and it may be provable that the remnant never died out, though the puritans of the “May Flower” claim to have been the pioneers of Yankeeland or Englishland. Englishmen, at all periods, have had the useful trick of assuming too much in their own favour; and the nonconformists who left old Plymouth of England to found the new Plymouth of America, had enough of this valuable quality of Emerson’s self-reliance about 1620, when they fled from Archbishop Laud’s ecclesiastical tyranny, to forget that there were whites there long before them. Indeed, the marvellously developed social condition of the Red Indians, with their communal long houses, suggests Norwegian and Scottish training grafted on mere savagery. Fiske exhibits the Delawares and the rest of the native tribes, or six nations or more, in lights absolutely novel to those with the preconceived ideas obtained from Fenimore Cooper’s romantic novels. But enough, in so untrodden but not unpromising field. The De Sancto Claro Society has, however, inquiries and successes in this direction also, as nothing has been more striking than recent American advance in knowledge of the primitive races; scientific precision by and bye perhaps to be able to distinguish external influences over their highly-articulated popular life. Celtic and Norse literature is full of shadowings of ancient intercourse from Europe to America; and such dreamings nearly always, in research, prove to be founded on facts of some extent. The want of historians and the accidents of time have blotted out many a chapter of human experience, now beyond our imagination to fathom; but the acuteness of learning recovers wonderful gold-dust from the river of the past, which becomes in due time coin and currency. It is already pretty certain that the Norse and Scotch heroes left a sprinkling of population, who ruled the Red Indians to some extent, and amalgamated with them. The French half-breeds of Canada show how it could have been done; for before the “brave” was taught the use of gunpowder, he was not the cruel intractable creature with whom the modern mind is familiar. Who is not aware of the freedom with which missionaries went from tribe to tribe in the earlier European periods of America? One lay stranger was so beloved by them that he was called universally their “father.” He, Dr. Patrick Sinclair, was only one of many, from others, too, than the English and Scotch, who experienced ease in guiding these so-called savages; the French at all times most insinuating and charming visitors, whom they never tired of welcoming, with whatever excess or want of wisdom. (pp. 165-167)

And there you have it. Thomas Sinclair was deeply prejudiced against Italians, Native Americans, and the English and thus was extremely pleased to be able to concoct a story whereby the Teutonic Norse and Celtic Scottish “heroes” worked together to reign over a continental kingdom of submissive “red” peoples and raise them up from savagery through tutelage and injections of superior European DNA. But it gets worse. Thomas Sinclair felt that the Henry Sinclair myth was an important step to combating the racial contamination of America:

But to some of the brightest minds of America the burning question has of late been whether the Latin or Saxon race is to have the supremacy of their country; the intense activity of Roman Catholicism contrasted with the apathy of Protestantism giving philosophers and statesmen pause as to the near results, notwithstanding the power of science and reason. The glorification of Columbus in the discovery centenary of 1892 was an aid towards the threatened Spanish or Latin domination; and Scandinavian energy has been in movement, especially at the Chicago Exhibition of 1893, to counteract the southern tide, by ascribing the discovery of America to Norsemen of the Teuton stock, including, as principal factors, the English and the Dutch. Caithnessmen [i.e. the Sinclair bloodline], especially of Canada and the United States, have the strongest personal interest in such a gigantic Armageddon contest of blood and belief, if it is to be early fact. (p. 178)

He concluded by expressing his wish that white northern Europeans would go forth in conquest of “property, knowledge, and rule as of yore.”

When you read the Sinclair theory in such bluntly racist, ethnocentric language it sort of lays bare all the subtext that modern appeals to DNA, diffusionism, and free inquiry work to conceal. This is the legacy of nineteenth century race theory, with its pyramid of development leading from the dim minds and animalistic souls of the dark-skinned to the pure light of God’s own white man: The Native Americans are just too damn primitive to have things like “houses” and “social structure.” They are too racially inferior to have a moral sense until white genes raised them up. (Odd, isn’t it, that Thomas Sinclair had no problem with the Aztecs and Incas having cities? What made them less racially inferior?)

Modern proponents of the Sinclair-Templar-Bloodline nonsense probably never give even a moment’s thought to this subtext, but it’s there, and it is disturbing.  How much worse is it to compound this with the modern claim that isn’t just Teutonic-Celtic DNA but the actual seed of God impregnating America with His blessing?

43 Comments
Steve St. Clair link
3/29/2013 06:38:09 am

As a supposed proponent of scientific method, it's fascinating to me how you weave half-statements together to bend the truth Jason.

Investigating areas is not the same as making claims. Also, going back in time to when social standards were different, then comparing them to your ideas today, is a cheap trick used by amateurs.

While we're at it, your own website claims you're a "best selling author." I wonder if you'd care to provide the evidence of such a statement.

I encourage the more careful researchers among your "followers" to visit my website and form their own conclusions - http://www.stclairresearch.com

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Jason Colavito link
3/29/2013 06:54:02 am

Steve, you know as well as I do that your website says you are investigating such claims, and I even used the word "investigate" and the conditional conjunction "whether" in describing your work. Is there something factually inaccurate about this?

Also, did you notice that this blog post is not about you? This blog post is about Thomas Sinclair and his ideas. That said, Thomas Sinclair's ideas emerged from a particular set of social conditions, but the modern inheritors of that theory seem unaware or unwilling to engage with the origins of the Sinclair-Templar-Bloodline hypothesis.

Now, if you are willing to show me any evidence you have that Henry Sinclair was in America in the 1390s that does not come directly from the 1558 Zeno Narrative hoax, Richard Major's 1870s fabrications, or Thomas Sinclair et al.'s anti-Italian, anti-Native racial narrative, I'm willing to listen.

But surely it is worth noticing that the original form of this idea--along with Atlantis, Root Races, Phoenicians in America, and the lost white race of Mound Builders--all correlate strongly with the social conditions of the era in which they were proposed. Modern proponents of all of those theories have had to bend over backwards to address the racial origins of each. I don't see why your pet theory should be exempted from the scrutiny of its origins.

As for my "bestseller," surely you read the documentation on my website. My "Critical Companion to Ancient Aliens" was an Amazon.com Archaeology Best Seller for December 2012.

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Jason Colavito link
3/29/2013 07:05:49 am

By the way, just so we're clear, you write on your website:

"Since beginning this DNA study, I’ve had no choice but to focus on the study of Native populations, on finding better ways to analyze the Jarl Henry St. Clair story, on the mystery of the Newport Tower, on the crusades, on ancient navigation, on population statistics, on heraldry, and more. One result of this focus was the Atlantic Conference of August 2008, described as ‘the definitive gathering of world experts on early trans-Atlantic voyaging.’ Clearly this is an area that affects the history of our family, but I wanted to approach it from a more scientific perspective, examining the actual proofs and reasonable likelihoods that such voyaging was possible. This was not a ‘Prince Henry’ conference but, rather, a scientific gathering sponsored by a family that has a great interest in the subject as a whole."

And:

"My hypothesis is that, when enough myths persist, there may be a grain of truth in them. There may be some basis in reality to the legends of our association with the Templars, a Holy Bloodline, the Prince Henry St. Clair stories about early voyaging to the New World, and more."

So, again, your words, not mine.

Now, if you say that the family has a vested interest in this story, I'd say it's worth understanding where that interest came from, especially given that it can't be traced back much earlier than the 1870s, and certainly not before 1784.

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W. Blake Heitzman link
3/29/2013 06:55:02 am

I think a study of DNA in Native Americans and in Europeans could cast light on the topic, supporting either position. My understanding is that, in general, Native Americans have tried to prohibit the study of DNA in burials. I suppose that may extend to the living as well. I'm not an expert on DNA but it seems that the mix of ancestors and when they came into the gene pool can be assessed. It would be particularly interesting to study the Nordic DNA. I would be surprised if no Native American slaves were taken back by the Vikings and no interracial children were born there. On the other hand the reverse also probably happened.

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Sean
4/4/2013 11:41:19 pm

Potential evidence of just such a thing happening (Native Americans being brought back to Europe by the Vikings) was discovered as part of a genetic study of Icelanders. It was discovered that some Icelanders have an unusual mitochondrial DNA, classed under the haplogroup C1. Haplogroup C1 is found primarily in Northeast Asia and the Americas, and is rare in Europe except among people with recent immigrant ancestry.

Mitochondrial DNA is only passed on from mothers - so it's entirely possible that it got to Iceland through a woman brought back as wife or slave by a Norse explorer in the Americas.

Of course, history and the movement of people is complex, and the prescence of this DNA there only needs one woman with the right DNA to get to Iceland and get pregnant sometime before 1700, so there are other possible explanations. I'm partial to the skraeling wife of a Viking adventurer idea, though!

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D Emmel
6/16/2013 11:44:50 am

Interesting... my fiance, whose name happens to be Thomas Sinclair. Is Scottish & part Blackfoot Indian.

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CFC
3/29/2013 09:18:20 am

Steve, I reviewed Jason’s article twice and I went to your website as you suggested. I consider myself an independent, thinking person and not a "follower." It looks to me that Jason has accurately quoted from your site to make key points.

I’ve been reading these reviews and visiting the blog now since December and I find that sometimes when an individual cannot refute the position that Jason is taking or personally disagrees with his legitimate position, they engage in an attack on his personal character. I consider comments like... “As a supposed proponent of scientific method, it’s fascinating to me how you weave half-statements together to bend the truth Jason” ...to be an example of that.

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Coridan Miller
3/29/2013 09:45:59 am

Did he really think the US would accept/acknowledge his claim to the continent even if it WAS factually accurate!?

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Jason Colavito link
3/29/2013 10:33:51 am

I seriously doubt it. Thomas Sinclair was many things, but delusional probably wasn't one of them. Instead, he wanted to launch a Scottish pride movement and promote Scottish advancement and causes. He would have recognized that the Treaty of 1783 categorically ended all British claims to America, including those of any Scots, who were represented by the British Crown. Instead, Thomas Sinclair was looking to promote what we might today call "white pride," and recognizing early Scottish claims was as good a reason as any to deny Native Americans rights.

Remember, this was the era of the Dawes Act, when America tried to forcibly "civilize" Native Americans. Sinclair, in denying that "communal" houses were Native in origin thus supports the Dawes Act's explicit aim of breaking up communal Native societies in favor of individualism and capitalism.

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The Other J.
3/29/2013 10:36:20 am

No such claim could or would ever be seriously entertained. But from the claimant's perspective, it offers the opportunity to cry foul and assert aggrievance or disenfranchisement, even from a position of relatively high social power. It does feel a bit like two bald men fighting over a comb, though. (Can't remember where I read that, but I like the description.)

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Cathleen Anderson
3/29/2013 10:00:56 am

Scientific method and critical thinking. This can be a bit difficult to understand and master. I recently came across a concise description of what it entails here:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/evidence-thresholds/

I admit that dealing with these claims can be frustrating because of the substantial lack of both scientific method and critical thinking required to even entertain some of them.

People have a tendency to see what they want to see. And yes, I find myself falling into that from time to time.

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Gunn Sinclair
3/29/2013 03:55:44 pm

Good link, Cathleen. I do think it's important to make a distinction about how strongly something is being claimed, and whether it's really a claim at all, or just innocent conjecture.

Surely, evidence is an elusive thing. I've delved into the subject at length here on the blog. I've noticed that folks are quick to determine what is and what is not credible, as to another's speculations. I hope the self-entertainment of some of my speculations (not really claims) and some of my opinions were not entirely in vain.

I have tried to come across on this blog as someone who does support the scientific method, speaking of known last glacial movements and water levels, and suggesting an alternative method of scientific enquiry on a particular subject, apparently no longer of much interest here.

I will make a confession: Since I'm a Christian, my belief system may be a bit unfathomable to some. When I'm quite involved in something, I tend to believe in what I'm doing and can perhaps too easily switch over into the non-scientific "faith" world. In my own case, I have faith that I'm not wasting my time and that I'm not too far off on some of my beliefs. Also, I don't like the idea of purposely ignoring all the collective, weirdly-Scandinavian, medieval-seeming stuff right in my back yard, so to speak.

Dealing with these "not really claims," but speculations, can be frustrating, as you mentioned, but especially when people are always suggesting that there is absolutely nothing to the speculations whatsoever...that there simply cannot be, and that someone must be in a state of diminished intellectual capacity to hold such asinine views.

Some things take a bit of faith to continue on with, but so far my idea of Scandinavians coming to the middle of America in the mid-Fourteenth century is not shaken. There's just too much collective stuff up here all in one general region to be coincidental...therefore, I believe.

I don't think this Scripture is out of line in the context of what we're discussing here. It's a pretty good mind-twister.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ... from the King James Bible Online (KJV Bible).

Bottom Line: Sometimes when it looks like someone is being shot down unfairly, he or she may not really be much affected. For instance, I can and will continue to have immense fun speculating about certain strange things here in MN...just not about stoneholes here on this blog any longer, by request. But that's okay. "Everything's just fine."

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Gunn Sinclair
3/30/2013 03:54:27 am

What I'm basically saying is that many things require a bit of faith to help move along. I am somewhat trained to have faith in what I'm doing, because without faith it is impossible to please God. Has anything been done on earth stretching back in time that required faith? All kinds of things.

We have faith in our paradigms, or else we wouldn't keep plugging away. Jason has a job to do within his self-proscribed paradigm, which necessarily involves rejecting or dismissing input that could jeopardize "established" doctrine, and this is understandable. I make no bones about this, except to point out that there is a clear agenda. He is a de-bunker of alternative archaeology and therefore history, and he inspires a lot of good discussion.

It is this discussion that can untimately help reveal new data or information if it is out there, but in my humble opinion, even this pursuit requires a bit of faith, because this is the opposite of just clearly doing nothing at all. We all like to think our input has value, and so we throw it out there to be examined, which is good.

In a classroom, certain behaviors are expected, and certain things cannot be said, whereas here on the blog, these social norms are sometimes not seen. So we have silly bully-like attacks, which also are to be expected. Someone may even have the boldness to compare the holy grail to something between their legs, which is in my mind quite astonishing and beyond just being nervey.

But I guess there is something to be said about curbing one's enthusiam, too. I became very enthusiastic when I first started checking into the Kensington Runestone about three years or four years ago. I looked around about me, saw many, many, many, many strange things up here and began to build my own personal paradigm based on what I discovered on the internet and "in the field," so to speak. I'm clearly not stupid, yet I believe in my paradigm, because it makes the most sense to me.

Admittedly, I see many of these alternative histories being projected with enthusiam, and there isn't much evidence to go on. In my paradigm, there is plenty to go on. I see it around me, and it doesn't take much faith to see that it means something. However, faith is required sometimes to keep plugging away in the face of skepticism, too, and even in the face of harrassment, and so it is.

I just want to clear that I harbor no harsh feelings for anyone here trying to protect their own versions of history, whether established or not. Established history is great...but we all know that some of it keeps changing, as in "The past is not dead, it's not even past." - Wm Faulkner

We are all zeroing in faith into our paradigms...what is the alternative? Having no faith and doing nothing.

The Other J.
3/29/2013 11:00:06 am

You have to wonder what someone like Thomas Sinclair would have made of a place like Cahokia if he could have seen it during it's height (like in the 13th century, when it was as large as London). Or what he would have made of it if the city's sheer size was known of back in his day.

My sense is he'd probably construct some narrative 'proving' European influence over the region. On the other hand, I can also imagine natives familiar with such building practices encountering a Viking settlement and constructing a narrative about how their people explored the lands to the east, encountered hairy light-skinned savages, and taught them how to build long houses and cultivate certain grains.

The whole thing reminds me of a President Clinton-hater I know who liked the whole idea of AmericaCorps but couldn't accept it came from Clinton, so she convinced herself it was one of George H.W. Bush's initiatives.

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Steve St Clair link
3/30/2013 03:40:46 am

You wrote: "Is there something factually inaccurate about this?" in your first paragraph.

Yes, there is. First, your method of purposefully taking information out of context. I see this technique more and more among political pundits - cherry picking small bits that help you make your point.

The Second factual inaccuracy - in your post's first paragraph, you state "Despite his denials, his website states that he has had “no choice” but to investigate whether Native Americans intermarried with the Knights Templar and thus inherited Sinclair DNA."

This is a lie Jason. Show me where I wrote that the Native Americans intermarried with the Knights Templar. I don't buy that the Knights Templar were in North America. It makes me question whether you're not capable of understanding the details of what you're reading, or whether your agenda so clouds your view that you're openly willing to lie to your readers. Only you can answer that.

You wrote: "…the modern inheritors of that theory seem unaware or unwilling to engage with the origins of that theory seem unaware or unwilling to engage with the origins of the Sinclair-Templar-Bloodline hypothesis."

You can show me lots of examples of such unwillingness on the Internet. But I can show you lots of examples of the contrary. I fall among the later. I challenge you to find a place on my website - the most complete expression of my views on this and DNA subjects - or on my two blogs (linked from the main website page), where I profess to believe the Sinclair-Templar-Bloodline stories.

Your wrote" "Now, if you are willing to show me any evidence you have that Henry Sinclair was in America in the 1390s…"

Why would I? I've said many times there is no real evidence of such a journey. This is part of what is misleading in your recent posts which mention me or our family DNA study. You're attempting to paint me as a true believer. I am not. I've said many times that I don't buy the story. You seem to be connecting interest with belief. For me, and 90% of the other Sinclairs / St. Clairs, belief doesn't enter into the discussion. There's no evidence, other than evidence of Henry's absence. That, of course, is not evidence of anything else, even though true believers often like to say it is. Interest is not belief, Jason. But, unlike those in the academic set, I don't let a lack of evidence keep me from being interested in a line of research. That does not mean I'm trying to prove a story. I'm just as happy to find evidence that disproves it. No one would be happier than me to find that Jarl Henry died as a mercenary in Hungary.

You wrote in a comment: "I don't see why your pet theory should be exempted from the scrutiny of its origins."

Why would you call this my "pet theory"? It's clear from looking at my website that it's not my pet theory. Nicely snarky comment Jason. Rush Limbaugh would be proud of you. He uses the same technique to accomplish a similar objective. He sells advertising time by stirring up controversy. You're trying to sell your books by stirring up controversy. Limbaugh is a pundit. You're a pundit. Perhaps you could illuminate us with news of any spike in your book sales that your Scott Wolter muck raking has provided. Clearly you've had a traffic spike in visits.

The Templar Order was done in Scotland, one of the later countries to conduct their trials, by 1314. Jarl Henry Sinclair lived many years later. To investigate this, I've done a great deal of research in secondary sources (over 30 books), in Templar trial records, in land grant records in England and Scotland. Out of all I've read, there is zero evidence that the Sinclair / St. Clair family were directly involved in the Templar Order. I suspected it would be unlikely anyway as, during the 12th and 13th centuries, the St. Clair family of England and Scotland were quite wealthy. To join the order, they would have had to give up their land and would have to have been unmarried. In fact, I've found zero evidence that the family was even part of the crusades, another cherished idea by some out there.

The other option for the St Clairs / Sinclairs of the period would have been to gift land to the order. While I haven't exhausted all avenues of research on this, I have done a tremendous amount of digging. At this point, I feel somewhat confident saying there were none of our ancestors who gave land to the Templar Order.

So, Jason, while I was on Scott's show, and this offers a pundit like yourself a good path to further blog posts, you're on very shaky ground using me and our DNA study as your target.

By the way, please don't answer this with the method you used on a previous comment of mine in which you attempt to write me off with "I apologize if you found the description harsher than you would like." I don't care what kind of tone you use, but I greatly mind if you mischaracterize my DNA research.

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Jason Colavito link
3/30/2013 04:01:05 am

Here's where I am having trouble, Steve. I can't square what you just wrote to me now with what appears on your website: "My hypothesis is that, when enough myths persist, there may be a grain of truth in them. There may be some basis in reality to the legends of our association with the Templars, a Holy Bloodline, the Prince Henry St. Clair stories about early voyaging to the New World, and more."

Again: "We need to continue to identify living descendents of the Mi’kmaq tribe who we can test to prove/disprove a connection to Jarl Henry and his crew."

It sounds to me that you are the one who wants it both ways. You want to lure in supporters with discussions of Sinclairs in America and Templar Bloodline mysteries, and then you want to tell me that you don't believe in any of it.

So why does that hypothesis appear on your website?

I hope you can see that I am just not able to square what you are telling me now with what you say on your site, how you talk about this at the Atlantic Conference, on America Unearthed, on Coast to Coast AM, and elsewhere.

So, I appreciate everything you are saying now, and I'm not sure how I am supposed to decide which of your various views I am supposed to consider operative at any given time.

You accuse me of being manipulative, but you're the one who is luring in readers with one narrative and then crying foul when someone else points out that this is exactly what you are telling your readers and contributors.

So, if you are certain no connection exists, I thank you for that. I also expect that you will correct your website to make this clear to all your supporters. I also expect that you will ask Scott Wolter to be able to explain this clearly to America Unearthed viewers, and I also expect that you will revise any future Atlantic Conferences to drop unproductive speculation about Sinclair-Templars in America.

Also: If you don't believe in any of this, why did you tell Scott Wolter that the Ark of the Covenant was sending out weird energy to block your and his search for the Holy Grail?

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Jason Colavito link
3/30/2013 04:03:57 am

Just so we're clear, how does this sentence from your website not imply you are investigating intermarriage? "We need to continue to identify living descendents of the Mi’kmaq tribe who we can test to prove/disprove a connection to Jarl Henry and his crew." How else would Mi'kmaq get Sinclair DNA? I suppose it could just be hooking up, but I was trying to be less crude.

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Steve St Clair link
3/30/2013 04:41:33 am

Your direct quote - "Despite his denials, his website states that he has had “no choice” but to investigate whether Native Americans intermarried with the Knights Templar and thus inherited Sinclair DNA."

This is something you excel at Jason... Your quote says "Native Americans intermarried with the Knights Templar..." Now you're squirming your way out of that by saying a slight derivation of it. There is zero evidence that Jarl Henry Sinclair was a Templar Knight or even associated with them.

I directly attempted to find out if the Mi'kmaq tribal members had DNA connections to the Sinclair family. So far, none have. But you had to go further. You had to throw in the Templar word. I never said Jarl Henry Sinclair was a Templar. And I do not think there's conclusive proof the Templar Order was in North America. You might want to squirm a bit to get out of it, but it fits your theme. It's not what I said, and I recognize there's no evidence to make such claims, which is why I don't. But perhaps you need to tar all us Sinclair/St Clairs with the same brush.

Jason Colavito link
3/30/2013 04:54:04 am

Steve, I'm not evil and I'll happily fix things when I am wrong. But your website says that you are investigating the "basis in reality" for the Sinclair-Templar connection. Am I supposed to be reading the very web page you personally directed me to read a few weeks ago differently than what it actually says?

Your entire objection is the word "Templar," which, as I have written several times, only entered the Sinclair narrative in 1992? OK, I will remove the word Templar, though it's still on your website as something you tell your readers your study seeks to confirm.

Again: Why are you telling your readers that you hypothesize there is a "basis in reality" for the Sinclair-Templar-Bloodline connection?

So, without the word Templar, are you still upset, especially given that Thomas Sinclair never said a word about Templars?

Steve St Clair link
3/30/2013 05:34:47 am

My Words - "My hypothesis is that, when enough myths persist, there may be a grain of truth in them. There may be some basis in reality to the legends of our association with the Templars, a Holy Bloodline, the Prince Henry St. Clair stories about early voyaging to the New World, and more."

Your Words (at least in this reply. They are different above) - "Again: Why are you telling your readers that you hypothesize there is a "basis in reality" for the Sinclair-Templar-Bloodline connection?" Because most people are smart enough to understand that hypothesis does not equate to belief. I don't "believe" the story, but that does not prohibit me from investigating it. In the structure of your sensationalized blog posts, you're trying to insinuate that I do. You said, 'As you may know, Steve St. Clair isn’t the first person to suggest as much.' I didn't "suggest as much" Jason. Exploring something does not mean endorsing it. What kind of backwards notion is that?

"So, without the word Templar, are you still upset, especially given that Thomas Sinclair never said a word about Templars?"

So, now you're going to reduce it down to me being upset about your use of the word "Templar"? Another technique you use often.

You said straight out, and your on-going theme apparently continues to be that "Despite his denials, his website states that he has had “no choice” but to investigate whether Native Americans intermarried with the Knights Templar and thus inherited Sinclair DNA." That is a lie. The ongoing general direction and use of phrases like 'pet project' reveal your real motivation.

It's well beyond your use of a particular word of phrase. The subject on your blog generates controversy. Controversy generates views. And views generate book sales. This all sounds familiar - ah, yes, The History Channel does the same thing.

Another nice trick is to pair ideas near each other. For instance, in your first paragraph, you lead with the sensationalized idea about my 'denials' and pair that with the claims that a guy who's been dead for 100 years was a racist. Then, you make yet another fuzzy connection - 'another member of the extended Sinclair lineage from more than a century ago. His ideas lay bare the original agenda of the Sinclair fantasists, one that the modern representatives of the idea may not even be aware of.' So Jason boils is all down to one statement - our original agenda.

Among over 200 Sinclairs I know there is no agenda, Jason. There are stories and myths. There is enthusiasm among amateur investigators. There are TV shows, production companies, and pundits who think they might make money in promoting or detracting the stories.

Jason Colavito link
3/30/2013 06:16:35 am

No one is trying to "trick" anyone, Steve. It's called a "news peg." I explained the reason I was talking about Thomas Sinclair. I learned about his views while researching the "hypothesis" you are "investigating" but apparently don't believe. (You still haven't addressed why you present the material as a matter for investigation to your supporters but as a closed case to skeptics.) It's also true, as you seem to be conceding, that you had no idea Thomas Sinclair was offering these kinds of racist ideas in 1893.

A hypothesis is the claim to be tested. You are suggesting that there is a reason to test this claim, or else you wouldn't bother testing it. How am I supposed to be interpreting that? Surely you must think it's worthy of being "investigated" (which is the exact word I used, as per your earlier discussion), in contradistinction to other claims that could be made, like, say, the Sinclairs inherited Jesus' bloodline. Your hypothesis suggests that there is "reason to believe" that the story could be proved true. That's "suggesting."

If you have a better way you'd like me to phrase your research in two sentences or less, please do let me know. Like I said, I'm not trying to "trick" anyone. But I'm interested in what you feel would be a fair statement of how your website presents your views on Sinclair-Mi'kmaq couplings.

What exactly did I say that was wrong? I said that the original Sinclair fantasists, including Thomas Sinclair, Richard Major, etc., were promoting a Scottish-nationalist, race-based agenda. And I also said that current proponents, like you, don't know that, or at least refuse to acknowledge it.

That isn't calling you a racist. It's just saying that these ideas come from someplace.

It's like this, Steve: I love the works of H. P. Lovecraft, and his stories are amazing. But everyone who writes about Lovecraft has to deal with the fact that his work emerged from a deeply racist ideology and this colors the stories.

It shouldn't make anyone mad to recognize the truth about where ideas come from. Since you say you don't actually believe any of the Sinclair fantasies, what exactly do you object to about my pointing out that they originated in the context of anti-Native, anti-Italian racism? Surely this evidence is just as important as the recent oral traditions and modern family legends you claim to investigate.

Do you really think that you're famous enough to generate the kind of "controversy" that spurs book sales? I'm pleased that you think my book sales are robust enough that a mere word from my blog can cause the coffers to ring with coins, but the truth is that I have a regular, full-time job. My writing is a hobby. I don't make money off of you, Steve, and in fact my best selling book is my translation of the Orphic Argonautica--nothing to do with you, I'm afraid.

Steve St Clair link
3/30/2013 11:58:28 am

Your words - "...a matter for investigation to your supporters but as a closed case to skeptics"

Wrong. I don't present it as 'closed case to skeptics'. I'm open-minded about the stories. You're the one who is completely closed off to research on such subjects, Jason.

What you'll usually read me saying is 'there is no data yet' or 'At this point, I feel somewhat confident saying...' I know that's not good for generating the kind of buzz you're after, but that's the actual truth as we know it now.

Have you ever heard of the concept of dispassionate research? Why is this so difficult to understand? Must we each take polar opposite sides of every issue? Are those the only two options?

If you think diffusionism should be left completely un-explored, just say so. I don't think it should be. There is compelling evidence here. Do your rules stipulate that this means I must believe them? I don't. In most cases there isn't enough evidence yet.

Jason Colavito link
3/30/2013 12:15:33 pm

Steve, I was parphrasing what you had just finished telling me: "I've said many times there is no real evidence of such a journey." Enough tests that yield no evidence, and the operating conclusion is that there is nothing there. You are again the person who seems to be trying to take multiple positions for multiple audiences.

Again, what buzz do you think I'm after? How many people do you think are seriously following with breathless abandon minor differences in verbiage between a blogger and someone who was on a digital-tier cable TV show?

I would, of course, refer you back to your own words regarding your accusation that I am a hater of diffusionism. European contact has been proved at L'anse-aux-Meadows, and no one's head exploded. I studied archaeology with one of the excavators of Monte Verde, which is now recognized as a pre-Clovis site, and I am fascinated by Polynesian contact in Peru. Because, you know, I'm just a hater.

I'm not understanding how agreeing with your (current) position that there is no evidence of a Sinclair voyage to America is rigidly hidebound. If I look at the evidence and judge there is nothing there, why is my conclusion less valid than yours?

If you go on TV and talk about the Ark of Covenant sending out mysterious energy rays and speculating about whether the Holy Grail is your family treasure, why am I somehow held to a different standard in weighing your claims and finding them wanting?

You said it yourself: "there is no real evidence." I don't see how pointing that out is a problem for you. It's your position, after all.

Steve St Clair link
3/30/2013 06:19:10 pm

"…seems to be trying to take multiple positions for multiple audiences."

Thanks for your opinion on that Jason.


"…regarding your accusation that I am a hater of diffusionism."

I didn't write that, Jason. I invite your readers to look up above at what I wrote, then question Jason's methods. Sorry Jason, you're as slippery as a greased pig. I didn't accuse you of being a 'hater of diffusionism.' You're grossly exaggerating what I wrote. Read what I wrote, and respond to the facts you have. Stop saying I wrote things I didn't. It's far too obvious to any of your readers with the endurance to follow all this.

Jason Colavito link
3/30/2013 11:38:35 pm

Steve, I am having trouble with this conversation because you have not really addressed any substantive points, nor made any in return; instead, you are trying to direct this discussion into an analysis of grammar and verbiage. I'm sorry if I misread the context of your "diffusionism should be left completely un-explored" paragraph, which, of course, uses its own rhetoric to imply that there is diffusionism which I am ignorning. A "dispassionate" investigator would, of course, have phrased that in neutral language, and I suppose I was simply reacting to your non-neutral language. Perhaps you can understand that.

But your laser-like focus on grammar and rhetoric simply serves to redirect the conversation away from the substance, which is this: On your website, you present the Sinclair-America story, including the Templar-Holy Bloodline, as an unsolved mystery you hypothesize has truth to it, but when speaking to me you say that there is no evidence.

Second, you claim to want to investigate the whole story of the Sinclair family legacy, and yet you became very upset that some of that legacy includes anti-Native, anti-Italian racism. A dispassionate researcher would not shy away from studying an important factor in how your family legend came to be--especially if you truly believe there is no evidence for any real Henry Sinclair voyage.

I will make to you the same offer I made to Philip Coppens and other alternative historians: If you would like to share your views with my readers, you can email me an essay of, say, 1500 words or so, and I will run it unedited to share your perspective.

Steve St Clair link
3/30/2013 03:49:15 am

Just in case the above didn't convince you -
http://sinclairdna.blogspot.com/2012/03/sinclair-dna-templar-myths.html

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Gunn Sinclair
3/30/2013 04:24:40 am

To avoid any possible confusion here, Gunn Sinclair is merely a pen-name. Don't shoot!

Of course the operative words are: "unproductive speculation."

We speculate, therefore we put ourselves in danger.

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CFC
3/31/2013 02:14:44 am

I’m one of the readers with the endurance to follow this discussion and my observation is that Mr. Sinclair quickly resorts to non-substantive remarks and personal attacks rather than calmly and professionally address key points Jason is making or inquiring about. A comment like “you’re as slippery as a greased pig” is desperate and childish.

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Gunn Sinclair
3/31/2013 04:37:27 am

CFC, Endurance does not equal accurately following a discussion. Can you please be more clear? Have some coffee and then come back and try to make sense, okay? You are mistaking personal attacks, in some cases, for humor, or maybe you're confusing me with someone else. It's funny how a select few here perceive an unfairness from me towards Jason.

Unfortunately, both John M. and you come across as people who cannot follow the dialogue, but rather instead jump in with less than maximum brain power to protect your friend...at least a little bit admirable.

I don't blame you for sticking up for a blog-friend, but you should, yourself, consider whether or not what you are doing is an improper attack. In other words, point the finger back the other way. Was that calm and professional enough for you, or perhaps too accurate for comfort? No ill-will.

Operative words: "non-substantive remarks"

"personal attacks"

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Gunn Sinclair
3/31/2013 04:45:03 am

I see that you did have me confused with St. Clair, after I double-check the greased pig comment. What's funny is that I had commented for the purpose of avoiding that confusion.

Jason, you may certainly delete my last two comments here!

Steve St Clair link
3/31/2013 03:58:28 am

"…you present the Sinclair-America story, including the Templar-Holy Bloodline, as an unsolved mystery you hypothesize has truth to it, but when speaking to me you say that there is no evidence."

Your reading of the website adds the notion that I hypothesize the Prince Henry Story 'has truth to it'. I think the difficulty here is that you think that forming a hypothesis means someone doing research thinks there must be truth in it. Do you understand what I'm saying?

This is from my "Methodoloty" page -
"Our family has many stories. You can see some of the more prominent ones at the link at left - "Assessing Family Stories." I immediately find many of these stories doubtful but, approaching this scientifically, this new science of genetics for genealogy might help to shed some light on whether or not these stories have any basis in reality."

Do you hear the doubt I wrote into that? It does't mean I believe and will now try to prove it true. That's not scientific method. See the phrase 'whether or not' ?? I truly don't care. Maybe you think I do because of my surname. Trust me, I don't care. I want to know the truth, or as close to it as possible, pro or con.

Here's my 2nd hypothesis - "My hypothesis is that, when enough myths persist, there may be a grain of truth in them. There may be some basis in reality to the legends of our association with the Templars, a Holy Bloodline, the Prince Henry St. Clair stories about early voyaging to the New World, and more."

Perhaps I should add - "There's not truth to any of this whatsoever. None. Zero. And none will ever be found, so don't anyone dare do any research on the subject because that means you believe the story is true, otherwise, why would you be researching it?" Would that be better?

"…you claim to want to investigate the whole story of the Sinclair family legacy, and yet you became very upset that some of that legacy includes anti-Native, anti-Italian racism."

My family has thieves, moonshiners, adulterers, murderers, etc. No, I'm not upset at the mention that our legacy includes such people as Thomas Sinclair, whom you're interpreting as a racist. Again, you're not comprehending what I wrote. I'm upset at your combining a mention of me and our DNA study with the subject of racism to make what I interpret to be a point that those who follow the story of "Prince Henry Sinclair" are either knowingly or unknowingly supporting a racist agenda.

I don't have time to write up something on our project for your blog, but I appreciate the offer and may take you up on that later.

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3/31/2013 04:09:57 am

I understand what you are saying, Steve. But do you understand that there is a connection between the family stories you are investigating (even though you don't believe them) and how those stories originated? Those family legends emerged at a particular time and place for particular reasons, and those who investigate them in the present are obliged to deal with that legacy.

Why do you think the legend emerged? The oldest form, from 1784, emerged from a dispossed ex-Scot with an axe to grind against the English. The Victorian version was tied to anti-Italian xenophobia (all the more ironic given that the sole basis is an Italian text) and the Scottish nationalism movement. Surely this is important.

I never called you a racist, but if you agree that these stories have no evidence to support them, does it not behoove us to ask why they emerged, and for what original purpose?

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3/31/2013 11:05:54 am

It's perfectly appropriate to peg these claims to the racism that underpins them. It becomes inappropriate and dishonest not to do so.

Anyone who can read English sentences can see that Jason has been making cogent and consistent statements and that St. Clair has no answer to them, other than to be very upset indeed that someone contextualizes his own statements.

And I keep saying the 'alternative history' claims themselves are too silly to be taken seriously at face level and the real interest here is what lies beneath and drives them. This is the the Ghost Dance or Mau Mau of the American white man in a society in decline on the global stage and from the unspeakable horror of uppity women and darkker citizens who don't know their place; even as an American white man myself I can't look away.

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Rob Sinclair
8/5/2013 03:13:38 pm

I just found this exchange and realize Im a few monthes late but still I have to comment here

Steve St.Clairs comments here:
My family has thieves, moonshiners, adulterers, murderers, etc. No, I'm not upset at the mention that our legacy includes such people as Thomas Sinclair, whom you're interpreting as a racist.

When Steve says my family I think he is suggesting the Sinclairs, of which Steve is no part of. Through Steve StClairs own dna group it has been proven that Steve is in NO WAY a blood relation to Thomas Sinclair.or asny of the historic Sinclairs of Caithness or Rosslyn. Thomas on the other hand is a direct descendent of the Sinclair Earls of Caithness. Therefore Steve does in NO WAY speak for any Sinclairs and their fantacy history. Although the Sinclair family does indeed have quite a history there is an awfull lot of story telling, Prince henry to America just one of many tales. Many people carry the surname of Sinclair/St.Clair Sinkler and so on ,but actually most do not relate by blood, so I guess Steve is one of the mentioned thieves in the family as he is stealing someone elses history.

I just thought you all may want to know who your dealing with here!!

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Steve St Clair
10/31/2013 05:03:53 pm

This is precisely the behavior that got Robbie booted out the Sinclair DNA study by our members, now numbering over 250.

In fact, I don't relate to the Sinclairs of Caithness (thank God in heaven I'm not Robbie's cousin!) i related the the St. Clair family who originate with Alexander Sinkler, the 1698 immigrant from Glasgow to Virginia, where I grew up.

Robbie is fond of stating the obvious. Our family name comes from various places in France, so we have many different DNA types who share this surname. 98% of us aren't obsessed like Robbie is about his pure-blood status.

Read more at -
http://www.StClairResearch.com

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12/1/2013 08:58:51 pm

I'd like to say something about Thomas SINCLAIR who was nephew to my great great grandfather David SINCLAIR.. I don't think Thomas was promoting the Henry SINCLAIR to North America story to promote Scottishness so much as specifically promoting his own Sinclair line which goes directly back to the Vikings. Thomas was a descendant of the Broynach Sinclairs who were diddled out of the Earldom of Caithness after the death of Earl Alexander in 1765 when their representative was unable to prove a marriage between David SINCLAIR of Broynach and his housekeeper Janet EWING to whom David had children out of wedlock. The marriage did in fact take place but its validity was disputed when the Broynach representative had another crack at the earldom quite a few years later having been with the East India Company in India in the meantime. When a couple of earls died in quick succession with out heirs Thomas mounted a public campaign in newspapers and journals, especially the Northern Ensign (Caithness), promoting the case for a Broynach to regain the title and remove the stain of illegitimacy cast upon their branch during the contests for the earldom after the death of Earl Alexander. The Broynachs go back via the earls of Caithness and the St Clairs of Roslin to Henry St Clair whom Thomas thought went to America, and even further back to a Sinclair knight who arrived in England with the Conqueror. The Sinclairs in Normandy were closely related to the Conqueror. In fact another of the antecedents of the Broynachs was James V of Scotland the grandson of Henry VII of England. The father (grandfather?) of Thomas's Henry SINCLAIR married Isabella of Orkney whose line went back to the original Jarls and Earls of Orkney and Caithness. All these lines ultimately go back to Rognvald the Mighty of More, the right hand man of Harold Fair Hair who united the warring norse kingdoms by conquest. Many many generations later these lines of descendants were reunited in the person of Sir James SINCLAIR 2nd of Murkle whose sons were John SINCLAIR earl of Caithness and David SINCLAIR of Broynach. Earl John it was who was the father of Earl Alexander who died in 1765. David of Broynach was the father of Donald the sailor whose son was James the chamberlain whose son John was the father of George Dunbar SINCLAIR who was the father of Thomas SINCLAIR. Thomas SINCLAIR knew all this stuff intimately and the desire to regain the earldom for the Broynachs was his biggest passion during 1889-1891 and afterwards. Anything adding glory to the Sinclairs was his special mission. Unfortunately his letters to the Northern Ensign often contain glaringly speculative material which in subsequent letters he treats as proven fact, so one does have to take elements of his material with a pinch of salt. Four chapters of his book "Caithness Events," first published in 1894 with a subsequent edition a few years later, concern 'The Broynach Question', summarising the case presented in his letters to the Northern Ensign.

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12/1/2013 09:08:03 pm

I forgot to say that the main part Thomas SINCLAIR's campaign to regain the earldom for the Broynach Sinclairs was mounted during the years 1889-1891 when two earls died in succession leaving the way clear for a number of claimants to have a shot at the title. Thomas at first thought my great great grandfather, who had gone to Australia, was the true earl, but then he switched to another candidate, a cousin to my great great grandfather. Then another claimant from the Broynachs came out of the woodwork to have a go at the title, Rev John SINCLAIR who claimed to be descended from a son William of Donald the sailor. Thomas and Rev John slugged it out in the columns of the Northern Ensign as to which of the brothers, William or James the chamberlain, was the elder. It didn't matter because the Committee of Privileges in parliament stuck with the status quo and yet again the broynachs failed to claim the earldom of Caithness.

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Colin Hunt
1/17/2014 02:39:03 am

We are all waiting with anticipation for Steve Sinclairs response to your detailed history, I am sure we follow after his pronouncements of heritage. Thank you.

Steve, where is your response. We are all waiting.

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Colin Hunt
1/17/2014 02:44:39 am

Jason, assume you are monitoring. The above appears to provide a different perspective on the Steve Sinclairs claim, comments?

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Jason Colavito link
1/17/2014 02:51:04 am

I wish all the Sinclairs the best of luck in adjudicating which of their brethren is the most Sinclair-ish of them all. It's really only the British government's business which, if any, they recognize as the legitimate claimant to the title.

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peter
11/3/2016 09:43:58 pm

Only the british govt's business? Tell that to the Broynach descendants. It's anybody's business who makes it their business. because Britain is a democracy not a dictatorship. There is nothing to stop interested parties from having another crack at the title.


These things went to the Committee of Privileges of the british parliament. Specifically on this occasion it was a panel of 5 (I think....this is from memory...might have been a little bigger, say 6 or 7?) that adjudicated on the claim of Broynach's descendant when he had his second crack at the title. The decision of the panel was not unanimous, a couple of the adjudicants were actually in favour of the Broynach claim.

So the success or non-success of the claim turned on a vote and so often a vote comes down to opinions about the facts, and of course a so-called fact's validity can be in dispute.

If the marriage between Broynach & Ewing took place then the title simply had to go to Broynach - and the claimant in 1788 did present new evidence in the form of Olrig kirk session minutes in which was recorded the kirk's desire to discipline Arthur Anderson for performing the marriage. How could they do that if the marriage hadn't taken place?

The claimant was probably on the verge of winning back the title for the Broynachs, but he suddenly died. No one else came forward from the Broynachs to claim and in the end the status quo remained.

There are problems with Thomas SINCLAIR's genealogy that he gives to take him back to Broynach. It is possible that he got it wrong. He identifies Donald SINCLAIR (Broynach's son) as being Donald SINCLAIR who married Catherine SINCLAIR at Wick.

The trouble is, at the original contest for the earldom after the death of Earl Alexander in 1765 (Broynach's nephew), one of the witnesses for James SINCLAIR (Broynach's grandson who was claiming) was Anne SINCLAIR, who stated that she was the daughter of Donald SINCLAIR (son of Broynach). Her description of the family of the sailor is nothing like that given by Thomas SINCLAIR. In fact it is a lay down misere that she is describing the family of Daniel SINCLAIR & Elizabeth HAMILTON who had a family at Dunbar. Anne's description of the family was repeated by John HENDERSON in his 1884 book 'Families of Caithness.' Roland St Clair in his 1898 book about the Sinclairs solved the problem by placing the two versions well apart in the book, copying HENDERSON's version (i.e. Anne's version) in his Murkle section and giving Thomas SINCLAIR's version in the part headed 'Sinclairs of Sarclet'. He quotes his sources for the sarclet section as Thomas SINCLAIR.

Thomas SINCLAIR had realised the poroblem of tghe two different versions of the sailor's family by 1899 when his second edition of Caithness Events' was published (the first was published 1894). The book is a repeat of the first but at the end Thomas adds 'Emendations of 1899' in which adds further information and comes up with conclusions different to those in the main body of the book. To get around the awkwardness of Anne's version of the family of the sailor and his own version of the family of the sailor, Thomas says that there were TWO marriages by the sailor with the second one to Catherine being bigamous!

The story goes that Donald disappears at sea one day in company with his young son and Jean HAMILTON never knew what happened to them. Donald wakes up at sea with his memory of events gone and finds his way to Caithness, and later marries Catherine having forgotten his first marriage.

I don't know if the above is a story that Thomas heard verbatim, or one that he adapted for his own purposes, or one that he decided had to be true so that his theories would work.

There are people in the US with a story that the sailor's son, lost at sea, made it to the US, their ancestor. He has a truckload of US descendants.

There are loads of holes in the way Thomas links his line (and mine) to the Broynachs, and it is very difficult to know what is true and what isn't. If the two marriages did take place then that would be a great story to have, but it is hard to swallow.

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