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Three Renaissance Scholars and the Surid Legend

4/25/2019

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​On Sunday, CBS’s 60 Minutes ran a piece on Easter Island reported by CNN’s Anderson Cooper. To promote the piece, CBS tweeted questions about whether aliens built the statues. In the filmed piece, Cooper asked whether space aliens put the statues in place. It was a depressing confirmation that the media has a low opinion of its audience and that the ancient astronaut theory is now so mainstream that it even shows up in news reports on the highest-rated news broadcast in America.

How did Easter Island become covered with statues? There are a few theories… some involving aliens https://t.co/JiYYHspwEo pic.twitter.com/o2gA0MxDcV

— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) April 21, 2019
​As most of you know, I am currently writing a book about legends of the pyramids for Indiana University Press’s trade division. I am currently writing the chapter in which I discuss the importation of the Arabic legend that Surid built the pyramids before the Flood into seventeenth century Europe. I had long known that this happened almost simultaneously in three different parts of Europe: by Oxford astronomer John Greaves in England in 1646, by German polymath Athanasius Kircher in Italy in the mid-1600s, and by French scholar Pierre Vattier in France in 1666. Taken together, these three men introduced the story to Europe and were responsible for its incursion into European occult history, mysticism, and what would become modern “alternative” archaeology.
 
What I didn’t know until I started writing the chapter was that this was no coincidence. It turns out that the three different men actually were working together, after a fashion.
 
In 1637, John Greaves set off on a trip to the East to collect Greek, Persian, and Arabic manuscripts for a clergyman patron, and the trip would afford him the opportunity to try to study the development of Ptolemy’s Almagest by visiting the exact locations where Ptolemy observed the stars. He made his way to Alexandria and to Cairo, where he collected a number of Arabic manuscripts and took measurements of the pyramids for his book Pyramidographia (1646). One of those manuscripts contained a version of the Surid story, which he judged to be a colorful but completely fictitious fantasy. He published the story in his 1646 book in English translation.
 
On route, according to some scholars, or on the way back, according to others, Greaves stopped at Rome and met Athanasius Kircher, with whom he had long and fruitful discussions about Egyptology. He probably viewed the Egyptian antiquities on display at Rome, which were the source of Kircher’s Egyptological interests and his writings. Greaves and Kircher apparently kept in contact, and Greaves wrote a dedication for his book to Kircher, though he did not publish it. The two men shared similar ideas about the obelisks of Egypt as miniature pyramids inscribed with scientific secrets. Greaves discussed this in his Pyramidographia and two decades later Kircher wrote an entire book on the subject. Shortly after meeting with Greaves, Kircher began investigating Egypt and pursuing the same Arabic manuscripts that Greaves had gone to find. Kircher obtained a number of such texts, including versions of the Surid story. He included it in his books attempting to decipher the hieroglyphs.
 
In France, Greaves’s Pyramidographia caught the attention of Melchisedech Thévenot, a French scientist and diplomat best known for inventing the bubble level and also for popularizing swimming at the end of his life in a book that Benjamin Franklin read and took inspiration from. Much earlier in life, however, Thévenot developed an interest in the Middle East and collected a series of travel narratives about voyages to the Middle East, translating those from other lands beyond France. He took Greaves’s book as one of his subjects on account of his discussion of his trip to Egypt. Having translated it into French, he passed on a copy to his friend and colleague Pierre Vattier, a doctor and orientalist. Vattier was taken by Greaves’s account and was inspired to make a study of an obscure manuscript in the library of the Cardinal Mazarin that had been brought to France in the mid-1500s. This was the Egyptian History of Murtada ibn al-‘Afif, whom Vattier knew as Murtadi, son of Gaphiphus. This thirteenth century manuscript told the story of Surid at great length, copied from a worm-eaten manuscript of a book quite similar to the Akhbar al-zaman of c. 1000 CE and perhaps a copy of their lost common source. Vattier’s translation was then itself translated into English in 1672 and went on to inspire artists and novelists and poets, including Percy Bysshe Shelley, whose friends threw the book out the window because he wouldn’t put it down, and Maria Corelli, who used the book to help invent the curse of King Tut in the 1920s. Greaves’s version, being more scientifically respectable, got the story included in a number of eighteenth century universal histories, through which it entered in early occult histories.
 
The interest in the Surid story generated by these texts—and particularly Greaves—helped to convince Col. William Howard Vyse to commission fresh translations and summaries of Arabic texts for his Operations Carried on at the Pyramids of Gizeh in 1837, which cited Greaves frequently on scientific matters, though the translator, Aloys Sprenger, relegated Greaves’s text to a glorified footnote, mentioning only that it gives the same account as the Akhbar al-zaman.
 
The bottom line is that there really is a secret stream of Egyptian history operating under the surface, but it isn’t an occult legacy. It’s the weird effects of a small group of scholars all knowing one another and one another’s work. 
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Joe Scales@gmail.com
4/25/2019 10:02:10 am

I can understand why Cooper asked the question, given that the alien intervention idea is out there; and it was quickly rebuffed. But for CBS to promote the show with the alien twitter teaser... well, that's actually not surprising. Cable news has already gone the InfoWars route, and yes, I include CNN and MSNBC in this regard 24/7, as well as FOX at night. The big three networks soon to follow... if they haven't already.

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Aye, the shape of the pyramids
4/25/2019 11:25:26 am

Mind expansion

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Easter island trees
4/25/2019 11:29:56 am

Sophora toromiro
Hallucinogenic properties

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Matt Cooper
4/25/2019 11:39:49 am

Have gun, will travel reads the card of a man. A knight without honor in a savage land.

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Kent
4/25/2019 02:42:45 pm

"It was a depressing confirmation that the media has a low opinion of its audience and that the ancient astronaut theory is now so mainstream that it even shows up in news reports on the highest-rated news broadcast in America."

Leaving aside the question of whether or not 60 Minutes is a news broadcast as the term is commonly understood, it seems like you share this low opinion.

"Oct 17, 2016 - It's also worth noting that a 2005 Gallup Poll found 24% of Americans believed in ancient astronauts"

"Jul 12, 2017 - ​According to a new poll from Pew Research, a clear majority of Republicans, 58%, now view higher education as bad for America."

"Jan 31, 2019 - More than half of Americans claim to believe in Atlantis and ancient astronauts, according to a recent Chapman University survey, and another poll found that the vast majority of Americans believe in at least one pseudoscientific claim, so it seems unlikely that “Americans” as a category are closed to anomalies."

In the 60 Minutes presentation the words "aliens" and "extraterrestrials" were mentioned one time each.

What was actually said:
Voiceover: "You may have also heard an out of this world theory about space aliens making and moving the moai. It may sound ridiculous but it's still believed by many visitors today."

Anderson Cooper: You must have people asking you about extraterrestrials--

Jo Anne Van Tilburg: Yes.

Anderson Cooper: --building these.

Jo Anne Van Tilburg: Yes, I do.

Anderson Cooper: So, I mean, I just have to ask, any possibility of that? You don't believe it though.

Jo Anne Van Tilburg: No, I don't believe it."

Transcript:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/easter-island-heads-famous-moai-statues-slowly-fading-away-60-minutes-2019-04-21/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7d&linkId=66387534

Everyone can move along, there's next to nothing to see here.

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Joe Scales
4/25/2019 09:18:18 pm

60 Minutes ripped off Batman. You know, when they tilt the camera angle for the bad guy's lair...

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The Adventures of Jesus Christ
4/25/2019 10:14:55 pm

Another hoot !

Doc Rock
4/26/2019 04:37:46 pm

I think that there can be a big difference between acknowledging in a poll that one kinda believe in the likes of Ancient Aliens, Atlantis, etc. and making the jump to actually shelling out $29.95 to buy a book devoted to the topic or religiously tuning into shows like America Unearthed or Ancient Aliens. If American consuming behavior matched what people claim in the polls then people like Scott Wolter probably wouldn't be running well behind people like Kim Kardashian and Honey Boo Boo in terms of name recognition and revenue generated.

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Basic Cable Viewer
4/27/2019 06:53:41 pm

Kim and Honey have innies rather than outies, and innies sell. It's really that simple. No one cares about The Batchelor, they tune in to see the contestants. Also, people in general will pay to watch rather than to read.

How would an all-male Big Brother do?
How would an all-female Big Brother do?

Kardashian and Boo-boo work harder and put out more product than Wolter.

Lautréamont
4/28/2019 03:03:09 pm

“As beautiful as the chance encounter of a sewing machine and an umbrella on an operating table.

I am filthy. I am riddled with lice. Hogs, when they look at me, vomit. My skin is encrusted with the scabs and scales of leprosy, and covered with yellow pus.

A family of toads has taken up residence in my left armpit and, when one of them moves, it tickles. Mind one of them does not escape and come and scratch the inside of your ear with its mouth; for it would then be able to enter your brain. In my right armpit there is a chameleon which is perpetually chasing them, to avoid starving to death: everyone must live. My anus has been penetrated by a crab; encouraged by my sluggishness, he guards the entrance with his pincers, and causes me a lot of pain."

Accumulated Wisdom
4/29/2019 03:23:10 am

Doc Rock,

Kim Kardashian ultimately got her fame because, OJ murdered his wife, and her lover. I blame OJ.

Honey Boo boo is a trip. They speak English, and still need English subtitles. I only made it through one episode with my wife.

I have never purchased a SW authored book. I have wasted money on other literary crap. "Monuments of Mars"...

Brian
4/28/2019 10:35:00 am

La tradition est une détestable colporteuse d'erreurs auxquelles, hélas, le diable fait la vie longue et tenace.
- Jean Ray, Malpertuis

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