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"Time" Publishes Article Linking Viking-Themed Media to White Nationalism

4/16/2019

43 Comments

 
Yesterday, we all watched the horrible images of Notre Dame de Paris burning, and it is a terrible loss to history that will take years to undo, if at all. The cathedral had survived the French Revolution, the Franco-Prussian War, and two World Wars, but saw its worst damage from renovation work. It was another sad event in what seems to have been an endless cycle of bizarre and unprecedented events. If history is any judge, every generation feels that way.
​That same day, Time magazine ran an article discussing how white nationalists have attempted to use Vikings as symbols of white power. The article specifically cited the History Channel series Vikings as a key source used by white nationalists to create a visual iconography of white action heroes, and the article describes the racist use Viking imagery as the “weaponization” of history.
 
Time’s Dorothy Kim traces the history of white supremacist appropriation of medieval Norse and Germanic imagery from the nineteenth century through the Nazis and down to today in ways that will not surprise any of the readers of this blog. As Europeans spread over the world and needed to justify European military, economic, and cultural dominance over the rest of the world, scholars developed an ideology of white supremacy in service of their imperial masters. This ideology tried to justify itself through history and therefore intentionally revised and rewrote the past in the image of the ideological present.
 
Today, these ideologies have been pushed from the scholarly mainstream, but they continue to animate groups like the Odinists and various extremist organizations. 
Nor is this use of Old Norse and Viking “history” limited to specific alt-right subgroups. In fact, it is a generalized social fixture in these circles. For example, when researcher Patrik Hermansson went undercover among the denizens of this world, he attended “gatherings where extremists drank mead from a traditional Viking horn and prayed to the Norse god Odin.” The Viking past contributes to a medieval toolkit of language, allusion and symbolism used to transmit white supremacist messages.
​Kim writes that academics and journalists have not been effective in countering the racist misuse of Viking history, but Kim suggests that the subversive narratives of the Marvel Universe provide a multicultural narrative and a more positive vision of Norse mythology that isn’t tied to racial supremacy. I’m not entirely sure that reimagining the Norse gods as ancient space aliens is really worth celebrating as a rival vision to white supremacy, but I take the point.
 
It’s great to see that Time is taking seriously the connection between racist extremism and distortions of history. We should hope that more publications make these connections explicit to their readers.

This also helps to reinforce the problem I had with the Science Channel program ​America Lost Vikings’s which similarly played into the narrative of a “white” Viking America, similar to that of the Odinists in the Time article. Even if cable networks do not intend to, by not actively addressing and countering the misuse of history for these narratives, or even acknowledging them, they play into the culture of white nationalism.
43 Comments
William Fitzgerald
4/16/2019 09:00:27 am

It survived the 1848 Revolution as well. The symbolism though: Notre Dame gutted while attempting to renovate.

Thor: Ragnarok was a very good movie, even if you aren't a Marvel fan. The previous Thor movies, however, were some of the worst. The best series overall, I think, were the Captain America movies.

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Joe Scales
4/16/2019 10:21:24 am

"It’s great to see that Time is taking seriously the connection between racist extremism and distortions of history."

By looking for salvation from a Disney movie? Everyone distorts history for their own purposes. Everyone.

So what now... Vikings were progressives?

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Tudlaw
4/16/2019 11:05:04 am

"The cathedral had survived the French Revolution, the Franco-Prussian War, and two World Wars"

That last one thanks to ahem, Nazi Germany.

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Jockobadger
4/16/2019 02:30:00 pm

Read "Is Paris Burning" by Collins and Lapierre before you ascribe the salvation of Notre Dame to the Nazi's. JHFC

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Tudlaw
4/16/2019 03:03:13 pm

No, I won't. I know who was in charge of the city from 1940 to 1944..

T. Franke link
4/16/2019 03:40:04 pm

@Tudlaw:

No, surely not thanks to Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany, led by Nazi party leader Adolf Hitler, ordered the destruction of Paris.

But it was rather thanks to a German General finally realizing that Nazism is not the way to follow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_von_Choltitz

No hero, though, since he was not very quick in realizing this. Others were far ahead of him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_resistance_to_Nazism

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Tudlaw
4/16/2019 04:06:03 pm

I don't care. Hitler ordered a lot of things. The fact is that Nazi Germany had control of Paris from 1940 - 1944. It sounds like in your mind "not destroying" equals "destroying".

Stick to Atlantis.

T. Franke link
4/16/2019 05:06:27 pm

@Tudlaw: You have had your chance. You wasted it.

Tudlaw
4/16/2019 06:22:25 pm

I wear your statement as a badge of honor. Here's your position:
"Some Nazis realized that years of slaughter and attempting to conquer Russia and France wasn't going well so decided to change tactics, betraying what they had embraced in the 1930s."

This wishy-washy "one day a Nazi, the next day not a Nazi" stuff doesn't wash with me. Extra credit for not burning Paris down? Not on my Wacht am Rhein. Hang 'em high, as they used to say at Nuremburg.

T. Franke link
4/16/2019 06:37:44 pm

Tudlaw .... this is not what I said.

Catspaw Assassin
4/18/2019 09:03:20 pm

In that case, learn to write good. One German general with a sentimental streak for French Gothic is not all of Nazi Germany.

Jockobadger
4/16/2019 06:21:13 pm

Why would the invaders destroy the City of Light when they were so busy enjoying it? What are you some kind of Nazi lover, Tudly? Mom's basement decorated with blood and soil type stuff? Tiki torches? Wtf?

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Tudlaw
4/16/2019 06:25:35 pm

"Why would the invaders destroy the City of Light when they were so busy enjoying it?"

As I pointed out, you imbecile. Wait, that's someone else's word. Let's just agree to call you a buffoon and move on.

Jockobadger
4/17/2019 04:39:29 pm

LOL! You pointed out no such thing Nazi-Tud! You really haven't understood one word of this exchange, have you? Whoosh!

This has been a monumental waste of time.

Signed, Imbecile..I mean Buffoon!

Joe Scales
4/17/2019 11:21:23 pm

Oh, they took great care of the buildings, no doubt.
The people on the other hand...

Tudlaw
4/18/2019 01:02:29 am

Well, it's true that they rounded up the "brutes". As we have seen some Germans still use that term to dehumanize people today. And it's true that after the war's end the French government executed many accused of collaboration, even of the "horizontal" variety.

Notre Dame de Paris
4/16/2019 12:14:10 pm

It failed to impress me when I visited it in 1969. It's only famous because of the Victor Hugo novel.

It's probably been done on purpose, since it's easier to rebuild than to renovate. How can eroded stone blocks and eroded statures be renovated.

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Kent
4/16/2019 01:46:10 pm

And people only know about the Declaration of Independence because of National Treasure (another Disney product).

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White Supremacy
4/16/2019 12:16:06 pm

Something tells me that both North and South America were invaded and taken over by White Supremacists. The Native Indians still cannot reclaim their lands. Massive arguments over Kennewick Man,

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Machala
4/16/2019 12:26:03 pm

I am rarely shocked or moved by much, anymore. Certainly not the adoption of psuedo-Norse and Viking history by romantics and alt-right alike.As a kid, pirates and vikings held a certain fascination for me. They sparked my adventurous imagination.

What did shock and sadden me immensely was the conflagration of Notre Dame.
Having visited the cathedral on many occassions over my lifetime, and having experienced the majesty and beauty - to say nothing of the artistry and history - it was truely gut-wrenching to watch the flames destroy what until now, seemed an abiding symbol of France.

Yes, I am certain that la cathédrale de Notre-Dame will be rebuilt but it will never be the same. Yesterday's fired burned more than the structure. It destroyed a piece of history that can never be truely brought back and it destroyed a bit of all of us who knew her.

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ARE YOU KIDDING ?
4/16/2019 01:02:08 pm

The gargoyles lost their contours through erosion.
Such things cannot be "renovated"
Already billions of Euros are being pledged.
There was no other course of action but to burn the cathedral.

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psuedo-Norse and Viking history
4/16/2019 01:04:22 pm

Who cares about those things except the believers
Let's concentrate instead on real White Supremacist history

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Kent
4/16/2019 12:53:25 pm

"For example, when researcher Patrik Hermansson went undercover among the denizens of this world, he attended “gatherings where extremists drank mead from a traditional Viking horn and prayed to the Norse god Odin.”"

So a Renaissance Faire?

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Joe Scales
4/16/2019 01:07:47 pm

"So a Renaissance Faire?"

Didn't you get the memo? They're racist now too...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-alt-right-is-taking-over-renaissance-fairs

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L'Anse Aux Meadows
4/16/2019 01:10:40 pm

The real history
There is White Supremacy within Mainstream History

No shortage
4/16/2019 01:12:26 pm

There's no shortage of distorted reasoning here !!

Kent
4/16/2019 06:52:32 pm

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-alt-right-is-taking-over-renaissance-fairs

As the youngsters would say, that is GAF.

Two articles prominently linked on that page:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-swastika-swishery-the-wwii-nazi-spy-gay-sex-scandal-that-rocked-the-senate

https://www.thedailybeast.com/neo-folk-music-folks-futuristic-cousin-has-a-nazi-problem

Kal
4/16/2019 02:33:22 pm

"The Hunchback of Notre Dame" was also a Disney movie, so will these right aligned crack pots now be worshiping Quasimodo?

The Notre Dame fire was not an inside job conspiracy to 'renovate through fire' as that is insane. Some comments border on Trump logic.

Now I will not get to visit it. It is a great loss to France. I seriously doubt they would carelessly cause it to happen for money. It's as silly as worship of Viking gods.

But neither are connected.

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Joe Scales
4/16/2019 03:49:41 pm

"Now I will not get to visit it. It is a great loss to France."

I'm sure they'll get over you not coming to visit. You and your bullshit politics.

Some day maybe you, and even Jason, might realize that it wasn't "white nationalists" that elected Trump. It was former Obama voters in swing states. The same voters your party is going out of the way to alienate. You are going to be the one to reelect Trump. You.

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Kent
4/16/2019 04:33:04 pm

Just to clarify, don't forget the Obama voters who stayed home because they could still see how repulsive in every respect Secretary Clinton was, which was why some didn't vote for her that other time.

I wonder if Obama ever brought the Clintons that coffee Bill whined about?

T. Franke link
4/16/2019 03:28:06 pm

Describing Vikins as "multicultural" is not the solution, either. Because it is not true. You can only loose on this line of argument.

More important would be the realization that we had a development of civilization since then, and that we should be proud of it. Once barbaric Viking societies turned into decent, developed, enlightened societies.

The real debate is this: What is enlightened? What is really progress? What is an achievement, and what only seems so? What keeps our developed societies alive, and what is decadence we should avoid?

Persons orienting themselves at Vikings, ignoring the whole process of development between then and now, are only uneducated brutes. And this should be pointed out.

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Tudlaw
4/16/2019 04:12:12 pm

Those brutes should be forced to wear some sort of triangle on their clothing.

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Uneducated Brute
4/16/2019 09:40:49 pm

"Describing Vikins as "multicultural" is not the solution, either. Because it is not true."

We know about Dorothy Kim. Where did you get YOUR PhD in Medieval Studies?

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T. Franke link
4/17/2019 09:28:42 am

@Uneducated Brute:

I am very sorry if you prefer to believe in authorities and titles, rather than the better argument. You deserve your self-chosen name.

To call the Vikings "multicultural" and "multirace" only because they got in touch with other cultures and races while seafaring, plundering, and trading, is a far-fetched argument which is exaggerated, and thus simply wrong.

Unfortunately, this is exactly the point made by Dorothy Kim, by linking from her article to this article (link in the text):
https://theconversation.com/vikings-were-never-the-pure-bred-master-race-white-supremacists-like-to-portray-84455

So, having been in touch with other cultures and races without any racist reservations, with limited intermixing and limited adaptions: True. But "multicultural" or "multirace"? No. I do not buy this.

Somebody who wants to fight white supremacist brutes with this exaggerated and non-credible line of argument can only fail. He does a disservice to the cause.

Accumulated Wisdom
4/18/2019 11:39:56 am

Absolutely gut-wrenching to watch a sophisticated celestial tool burn. A tool with more built in functions than a Swiss army knife.
Another example of an unrecognized monument to astronomical science.

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Kent
4/18/2019 12:17:49 pm

Nope.

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Accumulated Wisdom
4/19/2019 12:45:51 pm

I don't understand how your mind works dude. On one hand, you understand the meaning of Chaos and yet, are completely oblivious to it displayed in Stone. Complete with built-in celestial tracking functions, and symbolic feminine bits.

This is not a Christian or Catholic structure.

Jim
4/19/2019 01:20:03 pm

So, what is it ? Who built it, if not the Catholics ?

Kent
4/19/2019 04:45:25 pm

Based on your history Anthony, both here and on Wolter's site where you first told the story of "zealots" taking away your email account, which frankly sounds like a delusion I don't think you know how anything works.

Kal
4/18/2019 02:40:07 pm

Paris fire, not an inside job. Get it right.

Commenters who thought the Kal comment 'conspiracy by fire' was pro politics was not paying attention. I had not yet played the clip of Trump actually saying 'why not use fire planes' until after the comment. That makes it sound even more ridiculous that he actually said that!

I was on about the notion that some right wind ideologues seem to think it was an inside job 'by renovators' which is insane.

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Kent
4/18/2019 02:57:23 pm

Yes, Trump was an idiot. They certainly wouldn't use planes to fight fires in California.

The Notre Dame building is not insured. It is owned by the French Government and the tacit or deliberate policy has been to self-insure.

This is completely different from WTC 7 which was an insurance scam plain and simple.

дождь с небес.

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An Anonymous Nerd
4/22/2019 12:49:55 pm

A lot of bunk seems to be spread simply by folks who don't know any better spouting off when they shouldn't. Conspiracy fantasies clustering around the Notre Dame fire are one convenient example. People who don't know much about how fires start and spread jump to conclusions and ignore those who know what they're talking about.

Same with Ancient Aliens (both show and concept) and the myriad academic fields that are qualified to write about the ancient past. It's a lot easier to see aliens in old stuff when you don't know enough about that stuff to really see what you're looking it.

Can experts lie to us? Sure they can but what are the odds, in any given instance, of them lying versus us not really having the knowledge base they do and therefore coming to a bad conclusion? Smart money's going to be on the latter. Can experts disagree? Sure, they can and do. But hopefully people will notice that they almost always disagree within a certain range.

Mr. Colavito is a great example of a non-professional in all the relevant fields who never-the-less knows how to manage material from all those fields, and knows when and how to listen to experts. (Most of the time when he disagrees with one, it's a case of the expert being expert in a field that's related to, but not quite the same as, the necessary field for whatever is under consideration.)

There's no reason that any of us who are interested in, say, the ancient past, or how fires start and spread, can't consume material produced by experts and learn how to navigate those worlds as interested amateurs.

Well, no reason expect that it's easier to just spout conspiratorial bunk, and collect mega-ratings and mega-clicks.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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jcgobblesgoo
5/6/2019 08:14:57 am

Jason is a faggot & so are you hth

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