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"Times of India" Endorses Ancient Astronaut Theory, Says Cave Paintings Show "Aliens and UFOs"

7/16/2014

64 Comments

 
The well-known Times of India newspaper, the largest English-language daily in India, has endorsed the ancient astronaut theory in an article reporting the discovery of cave paintings in the Bastar region of central India. An article by Rashmi Drolia states without qualification that the archaeology department of the Indian state of Chhattisgarh discovered “10,000-year-old rock paintings depicting aliens and UFOs.” According to the article, Indian archaeologist J. R. Bhagat suggested that prehistoric Indians had contact with extraterrestrials.
Bhagat told the Times:
The findings suggest that humans in prehistoric times may have seen or imagined beings from other planets which still create curiosity among people and researchers. Extensive research is needed for further findings. Chhattisgarh presently doesn't have any such expert who could give clarity on the subject.
Bhagat is an actual archaeologist, and he does actual excavation work in India, recently directing excavations of the Tarighat city site.

The paintings in question depict what in other contexts archaeologists typically identify as shamanic images of humans, human-animal hybrids, and geometric forms. The image below seems to depict a shamanic figure with a helmet on which are antlers, antennae, or spirit rays—a familiar image in shamanic art. The paper did not indicate why the images were suspected of being 10,000 years old.
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A cave painting of an "alien" from the Times of India.
Bhagat likened the above image to a spacesuit, but it isn’t clear that he actually believes that they were depicting aliens. Instead, there seems to be a translation issue. The English isn’t terribly clear when he says “In few pictures, they are even shown wearing space suits. We can't refute possibility of imagination by prehistoric men but humans usually fancy such things.” It sounds like he’s saying that they look like space suits because humans can only imagine so many forms, but it just isn’t clear enough to understand his intention. His next sentence is less ambiguous: “The fan-like antenna and three legs of vehicle's stand clearly show a similarity to UFO type craft.” But the reporter qualifies it as a “co-incidence,” though it again isn’t clear that she wrote what she meant.
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Cave painting of a "spacecraft" from the Times of India.
Frankly, the “UFO” looks less like a spaceship to me than an owl’s face, like that of the famous Indian eagle-owl.

The reporter, however, is certain that these images must be aliens. She relates what she claims to be local folklore about the images, but which seems to be a retelling of a Hollywood movie about little green men in flying saucers:
While few worship the paintings, others narrate stories they have heard from ancestors about "rohela people" — the small sized ones — who used to land from sky in a round shaped flying object and take away one or two persons of village who never returned.
The only reference I could find to “Rohela” people was to minority Muslims of Uttar-Pradesh to the north of this region, more commonly spelled Rohilla.

It’s rather difficult to give credence to this as a genuine ancient legend since Bhagat himself noted that both Hollywood and Bollywood movies familiar to Indians have used the same imagery for decades. Indeed, it is not uncommon for Hollywood movie plots to be recycled as folklore, as the inclusion of dinosaurs in some Native American myths after exposure to early dinosaur movies suggests. Adrienne Mayor reported on this in her Fossil Legends of the First Americans.

India has long been a hotbed of ancient astronaut beliefs, originating with Theosophy’s appropriation of Indian spiritual beliefs in service of their concept of Ascended Masters on other planets. Indians were quick to adopt early twentieth century claims that Sanskrit texts contained references to airplanes (and thus that Indians had invented them), and this transitioned into support for ancient astronaut ideas later in the century, often in service of nationalist claims to ancient Indian greatness.

64 Comments
EP
7/16/2014 07:01:39 am

Oh... wow... this thing's really gone viral...

This is particularly ridiculous because these aren't even the most alien looking images one could find in Indian cave art... Cave art that's been studied for a long time and that's a tourist attraction (including in the same region where these cave paintings allegedly are from).

For anyone who cares to take a look:
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/india/index.php

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Gregor
7/16/2014 07:13:36 am

"Two men under a tent"? Please, it's clearly a force-field being generated by the spiral-thingy in that guy's hand! COULD IT BE ANY MORE CLEAR?! THOSE TENTS WHO FROM THE HEAVENS CAME!!

... I mean force-fields! FORCE-FIELDS WHO FROM THE HEAVENS CAME!

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EP
7/16/2014 07:15:59 am

I just hope the wackos don't get wind of all the sex scenes depicted in cave art. Otherwise, we'll have another "alien DNA" outbreak on our hands...

Gregor
7/16/2014 07:24:43 am

@EP

HA!

"As you can see on this so-called "virility totem"... the man's penis is easily 5 feet long. Now, mainstream "archaeologists" will tell you that it's typical genital exaggeration found in virtually all virility / fertility iconography... but isn't it possible that they were actually depicting flesh-and-blood ezzraterrsssestrials....with humungous dongs?"

EP
7/16/2014 07:42:55 am

Alien penis size not representative. Your experience may vary.

Steve StC
7/16/2014 11:36:36 am

“I think in the next 20 years we will find out we are not alone in the universe,” added NASA astronomer Kevin Hand.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/15/nasa_aliens_are_out_there_we_will_find_a_new_earth_within_20_years

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Gregor
7/16/2014 12:09:05 pm

An interesting read... though it's hardly a scandalous position to hold these days. It's also important to note that they simply address "extra-terrestrial life", not "Nordic aliens from the Pleiades who visit in their space-tubes" or some such thing. The most likely discovery for us to make (at least right off the bat) is finding exo-germs, or other "lower order" life forms. It's possible that sentient life can be discovered, but simply saying "we're not alone" does not, by itself, narrow the definition of exo-life to *just* that.

Also, for what it's worth, that article also makes mention of the woman from MIT who made appearances on Ancient Aliens in the early seasons (I don't know if she's the one who ultimately objected to the show or not).

EP
7/16/2014 12:44:49 pm

Actually, if we do discover extra-solar life, it's likely to be on the level of entire ecosystems. We are nowhere near the stage where we can take a picture of an extra-solar planet's surface. Indirect evidence of life won't let us determine whether lifeforms are micro or macro.

Moreover, the discussion is not even about life as such, but about Earth-like planets, which have relatively good chance of sustaining life.

NOBODY is talking about aliens! The claim about the search for extra-sloar planets and the claim about statistical improbability of humans being along in the universe are entirely separate!

BillUSA
7/16/2014 12:58:21 pm

You fringe theorists can't lose. On one hand, you make your dime pandering to the scientifically-challenged and on the other hand will say "We told you so" if and when so much as a single lichen is found under a rock on some distant planet.

I'll take any of your "We told you so" chants when you provide that bane of your existence - irrefutable proof.

Gregor
7/16/2014 01:29:12 pm

@EP

I don't know if your comment was directed at me, but the article clearly mentions the "statistical improbability of being alone", searching for "signs of life", and "the search for extrasolar planets". Unless, of course, the link took you and I to entirely different pages.

As for why Steve StC posted it... I have no idea. Obviously it's not related to the story of a fringe-leaning archaeologist claiming "aliens!" for cave paintings. I just felt like pointing out that "the search for life" was not the same as "we've found the Greys!".

@BillUSA

Was that intended for Steve StC? To the best of my knowledge, I am not counted amongst "you fringe theorists".

EP
7/16/2014 01:38:22 pm

@ Gregor: The latter part of my comment was directed at the article. I believe it juxtaposes quotes from two different people (presumably separate interviews and probably both out of context). Concerning the likeliest evidence for exo-life, I was indeed responding to you, though I may have read into what you were saying the implication that we're talking specifically about what we can find through the means discussed in that article.

@ BillUSA: What Gregor said.

Gregor
7/16/2014 01:46:38 pm

@EP

Agreed, the article is a mess.. I think every single quote might be from a different person in rapid succession (and who knows if they were even gathered in the same event, much less the same setting).

As for your comment on ecosystems and the like, there's nothing I disagree with. Personally I'd be thrilled with either sort of discovery

Gregor
7/16/2014 07:02:24 am

Well, it certainly is a mess... Rashmi Drolia appears to be a reporter who focuses on local (state-level) stories, though Chhattisgarh State itself did not exist prior to the year 2000. Most of her stories focus on the high level of crime (rape, abduction, unrest, etc.) in the state, but some highlight the apparent penchant for "witchcraft" in the region.

For what it's worth, I could find no real & verifiable source for JR Bhagat in order to examine his education or qualifications... There is an "Archaeological Survey of India", but it does not appear to recognize (or, at least, have an office for) Chhattisgarh and the website's "search" function routinely returns errors. The site recognizes only one "prehistory" investigative group, which is based in another state. I was, however, able to find other mentions of Tarighat... so as yet, the only places this man (Bhagat) appears to have worked are within Chhattisgarh state.

Both the Times of India story and the Deccan Chronicle story are light on details (methods, sample taking, background of individuals making claims, etc.) and appear to suffer more than a few translation errors. For instance, the images in the T.o.I. story are identified as "cave paintings", but are described as being "carved". So, it's not clear whether they are pigments created by eroding the surface of the stone... or if they are carved grooves that were then filled with pigments... or if they are true "paintings" and represent pigments applied to otherwise smooth surfaces.

As far as I know Ms. Dolia is entirely local (as in, "born & raised") to the region, but it's worth noting that one of Chhattisgarh's primary attributes is the prevalence of the Chhattisgarhi variant of Hindi. So, I suppose it's possible there could be miscommunication between individuals within and without the state (which might lead to statements being reprinted within India and abroad that are not accurate or nuanced to what the interviewee actually said).

Lastly, it's worth noting that the government of Chhattisgarh (and, presumably, much of the populace) has expressed interests in solidifying the state's identity and bolstering Chhattisgarh-specific industries and sources of revenue (i.e. tourism).

As for my personal thoughts...the images look like any other "cave painting" and, to me, give no reason to ever think they were UFO or "alien" related. What's more, I find it interesting that while cave paintings have, virtually as a defining characteristic, a lack of detail and refinement (compared even to the artistry of the 'ancient' period: Rome, Greece, Babylon, etc.)... "investigators" always want to cite this lack of detail as somehow intentional...like the presumed prehistoric artist *could* have drawn a proper portrait with perspective and color theory... but instead *meant* to just draw a man-shaped blob with yellow ochre. You know, so all of us "10,000" years later would see it and think: oh, right! he means "aliens"!

I also found it interesting that the story noted "they" were going to seek out the help of NASA (and it's Indian counterpart) for help in unraveling this "mystery". I noted it because in that delightful mystery-mongering show "The Unexplained Files" on Science Channel, there was another Indian man who claimed that regions of India suffered "blood rain" because biological organisms were landing on Terra - thanks to meteorites - and reproducing in our atmosphere & water supplies. Naturally, to get to the bottom of this he contacted NASA (who apparently said "thanks, but no thanks").

It was the opinion of the "scientist" (who has also appeared on Ancient Aliens!) that the material found in the water (and presumably turned it red) was biological cells of some sort. Personally, given the lack of cohesion between any of the objects...their wildly different sizes and shapes...and a slew of other concerns...to me, they looked like sand (or other geologic crystals).

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EP
7/16/2014 07:13:35 am

Gregor, you're mistaken about cave paintings lacking detail and refinment "virtually as a defining characteristic". Even if we ignore more recent cave art (like Buddhist cave paintings in India), some prehistoric examples are quite sophisticated (Lascaux for example).

By the way, I'd bet a lot of money that the paintings in the story are nowhere near 10,000 years old.

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Gregor
7/16/2014 07:22:27 am

Some are sophisticated ("quite" is too vague a term), many are not - hence the use of "virtually". Even then, there are multiple artistic methods and theories present in works created today that are absent even from complex examples like Lascaux (such proportion and perspective). My point was *not* to denigrate pre-historic art by comparing it to modern incarnations... in fact just the opposite. These people who make such claims (aliens!) do exactly that. They cite the lack of a "face" as "proof" that it's not just a picture of a man... instead of admitting that it's representative of a large section of pre-historic art. It's the same old, tired "our ancestors were just as smart as we are today, and they drew (exactly) what they saw!! (which was aliens!!!!1!1!!!)" argument.

And agreed: I would imagine the paintings (or carvings, or whatever they actually are) are relatively recent. The few examples I saw are quite interesting... but they probably don't want my "it's not aliens" level of appreciation.

EP
7/16/2014 07:50:22 am

I'd say "quite" and "virtually" are both quite vague, if only because virtually synonymous :)

In any case, "defining characteristic" isn't something that I can make sense of hedging (unlike sophistication!).

In any case, all I really wanted to point out is that there are famous examples of very detailed and realistic prehistoric cave art, contrary to what your post may sound like saying. "Detail and refinement" is all I meant to address, not absence of modern "methods and theories".

JaredMithrandir link
7/16/2014 09:12:33 am

" it is not uncommon for Hollywood movie plots to be recycled as folklore, as the inclusion of dinosaurs in some Native American myths after exposure to early dinosaur movies suggests."

I think it's far more likely these Native American simply correctly identified these Dinosaurs with the Dragons that were already there.

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Gregor
7/16/2014 11:53:01 am

Just for clarity's sake:

You think it is "far more likely" that native indian or first nations populations (members of the species Homo Sapiens Sapiens, which is roughly 150,000 years old at the far end) "correctly identified these Dinosaurs" - creatures that existed roughly 65 to 250 million years ago (since I'm assuming you don't mean birds) - "with the Dragons" - creatures *never* proven to have *ever* existed - "that were already there"?

Furthermore, this is the position you hold against the concept of cultural conflation - which has been demonstrated - of native indian / first nations folklore with outside sources (including early literature and film plots)... both of which (that is, native populations and literature / film) can be proven to have existed at the same time and place?

Do you have *any* sort of evidence for this belief? Or is it a matter of "the bible" and various fringe "theological scholars"?

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JaredMithrandir link
7/16/2014 12:43:05 pm

Dragons were proven to Exist when Dinosaur fossils were found. I don't care how much you insist their most the same, Dinosaurs fit the basic definition of what a Dragon is.

This does not mean I think the myths about Dragons are true down to the minutest Detail. The myths are fictional artistic depiction of real Animals those people were familiar with.

So yes, your typical artistic depiction of a Dragon doesn't look exactly like any Dinosaur. Because Bugs Bunny sure looks exactly like a real Bunny. And sometimes they can talk, because Bunny Bunny sure is Proof that modern Americans believe Bunnies can talk.

EP
7/16/2014 12:46:37 pm

Gregor, why do you even bother? :)

Gregor
7/16/2014 01:10:45 pm

@EP

I don't know... hope against hope?

@JaredMIthrandir

1. Dragon's were not "proven to exist when dinosaur fossils were found". That's an indefensible claim based on your own personal worldview. I also note that you didn't even try to give "the basic definition of what a Dragon is" (I can only imagine what you think that would be).

2. It has nothing to do with "minutest Detail" and everything to do with the fact that you are conflating species (and mythological creatures) who are separated by tens of millions of years (at the least). That's as irrational as someone telling you they met an old man yesterday, and you equating that man with one who lived & died 1,380 years ago.

3. You're correct: "Your typical artistic depiction of a Dragon doesn't look exactly like any Dinosaur", especially given that the few cultures who had such legends (dragons) depicted them in *wildly* different fashions (including size, shape, color, behavior, and a slew of other attributes). Of course, even the depictions of dinosaurs are "best guesses", what with 65 million years separating their demise from the birth of anything that could be called "Modern Human".

4. Your example of Bugs Bunny is a straw man (and a pathetic one at that). Bugs Bunny is clearly an anthropomorphized animal and one that we can trace first-hand back to it's origin. Notice how that might be different than claiming that the various "dragon" type creatures of myth and legend are "artistic depiction(s)" of *actual* creatures no human being *ever* saw alive?

You should really be concerned by how much "wiggle room" has to be built into your thoughts and beliefs simply to make anything from the real world "fit".

EP
7/16/2014 01:15:02 pm

"the basic definition of what a dragon is":

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/dragonTrue.htm

Gregor
7/16/2014 01:31:56 pm

@EP

Shit... brb, rolling for initiative.

JaredMithrandir link
7/16/2014 01:44:08 pm

The basic definition of a Dragon, as the Ancients themselves would have defined it, are Large Lizards. Exactly hat Dinosaur means. if your using any definition that's different, that's conflating of the meaning.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10201348058529644.1073741824.1418916372&type=3

We can trace Bugs Bunny now, but imagine in if people uncover limited archeological evidence of our Society 3000 years from now without proper context. And Bunnies have gone extinct and some "Scientists" have convinced everyone the never lived contemporaneously with man.

My studies of the Ancient texts heavily imply to be that the "Dragons" refereed to were equally as real to those Authors as any other Ancients mentioned in those texts. Just look at some of the Biblical texts that use word the word Dragon. Even it's usage in Revelation 12 shows ot me that was a real Animal to the Author, because it's used Symbolically the exact same way Lions and Leopards and bears and Lambs were.

Jason Colavito link
7/16/2014 01:54:49 pm

"Dragon" is a catch-all term for many different imaginary creatures, but the word itself comes from the Latin "draco," from the Greek "drakon," meaning serpent or snake. Dragons were envisioned as giant snakes down to Late Antiquity, when they started to sprout wings and feet. Needless to say, dinosaurs were not giant snakes.

The idea that medieval dragons were inspired by dinosaur fossils was proposed in the early 1800s and rejected shortly thereafter, and virtually no serious scholar has maintained it since then. The derivation of medieval dragons from Greco-Roman giant snakes is too clear.

EP
7/16/2014 01:59:03 pm

Also, it's worth mentioning that the Northern European word for dragon is the same as for worm ('wyrm'). I believe Tolien, whose works our friend JaredMITHRANDIR must have heard of, uses it to refer to dragons in the Sylmarillion.

EP
7/16/2014 02:10:36 pm

I mean 'Tolkien' and 'Silmarillion'. I swear it's my keyboard's fault! :)

JaredMithrandir link
7/16/2014 05:26:41 pm

Those Greco-Romans creatures were clearly based on Dinosaurs too.

Tolkien's Dragons were mostly directly based on Beowulf. Beowulf is one of the easiest to prove was actually talking about Dinosaurs, when you remove the horrible mistakes in modern Translations.

http://creationwiki.org/Beowulf

Gregor
7/16/2014 05:56:10 pm

@JaredMithrandir

Oh, so you speak pre-Norman "Old English"? I'm assuming that's how you know there are "horrible mistakes in modern translations" of Beowulf - an Anglo-Saxon epic - since surely you wouldn't base your entire opinion on the uneducated statements posted on a restricted wiki operated with a severe Creationist bias? Right?.........right?

EP
7/16/2014 06:32:40 pm

I actually liked the recent Beowulf movie. I don't care what anyone says.

Only Me
7/16/2014 07:27:28 pm

How you go from Grendel and his mother, alleged monstrous descendants of Cain, unable to approach the throne of Hrothgar because it's protected by God to Smaug and his Middle Earth kin is incredible. And you base this connection on dinosaurs, backed up by a creationist wiki.

Well, it's safe to say that you really dug deep in the ol' anus hole for this one.

Only Me
7/16/2014 11:08:35 pm

Upon further thought, let me clarify my last comment.

The reality and internal logic contained within the story of Beowulf destroys the claim of "dinosaurs" being the monsters. Consider this:

1) Neither Grendel nor his mother are directly described, but since it was suggested in the story they were descended from Cain, it can be concluded that they were *humanoid*, possibly deformed hideous caricatures of humans. Perhaps giants or even troll-like. Mythological or not, Cain was definitely a man.

2) Grendel was repulsed by divine power, unable to approach Hrothgar's throne. Off the top of my head, I know of two tales where a dragon or dragon-like creature was repelled/conquered through divine power: St. Columba against the Loch Ness Monster and St. Romain against the Gargouille (gargler). Both men made the sign of the Cross and Nessie sank back into the loch, while the Gargouille became docile. Note, however, both creatures were described as either a dragon or a serpent; this is important, as it leads to my next point.

3) If dinosaur=dragon, and Grendel/his mother=dinosaur, why didn't the author(s) describe Grendel and his mother as dragons, especially when at the conclusion of the story, Beowulf dies in combat WITH AN ACTUAL DRAGON? The author(s) believed in the existence of dragons, so why say Grendel and his mother were bipedal? Why would Seamus Heaney's 1996 translation of lines 1351-1355 read

[... the other, warped in the shape of a man, moves beyond the pale bigger than any man, an unnatural birth called Grendel by the country people in former days]?

Finally, all the creatures Beowulf encounters searching for Grendel's lair are described in your wiki link as "monstrous serpents...sea dragons...water monster". Dinosaurs did NOT inhabit the oceans; that fell to sea reptiles like the plesiosaurs, ichthyosaurs and pliosaurs. None of them are serpents and serpents don't have distinct necks with bodies adorned with flippers.

Everyone knows Tolkien borrowed heavily from mythology to create Middle Earth, including dragons. I seriously doubt a man with his education would say, "Smaug? Oh, yeah, dinosaur."

I hope you don't think the image of a dinosaur on a lead sword found with the other Tucson Artifacts is proof of a real-life encounter.

Drew
7/17/2014 01:02:17 am

Also, Smaug was inspired by Fafnir, the dwarf who turned into a dragon to jealously guard a treasure hoard. So if dragon = dinosaur then, uh, dwarves = baby dinosaurs? Zeta Reticulans who genetically engineered dinosaurs into dragons?

.
7/17/2014 04:47:31 am

My local PBS station is replaying NOVA's four part geological
4 billion year history of Australia that in due tyme goes from
ancient zircons up to the extinction of the wondrous beasties.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/australia-first-years.html
if wyrm = dragon and not worm, nor anaconda, these large
lizards were once more than legendary, they became meals...
fossils + folklore may have indirectly inspired accounts often
when pure hyperbole and fancy or whim didn't. i cannot say
that all Victorians were total idiots even though some were
overly educated and also sounding worse than just ignorant.

Only Me
7/17/2014 06:32:33 am

A 23' long prehistoric monitor lizard is impressive, but being in southern Australia 30-40K years ago has no bearing on European dragons.

Megalania was real, dragons were not. In fact, Komodo dragons (close relatives) are known by the natives as ora, buaya darat (land crocodile), or biawak raksasa (giant monitor). It was W. Douglas Burden who went to Komodo in 1926, brought two specimens back and was the one who first called them "dragons".

Once again, a big lizard does not equate to dragon just because later incarnations of dragons included more lizard-like features.

EP
7/16/2014 01:33:00 pm

A curious detail about J. R. Bhagat's excavation Jason mentions. Bhagat is reported as saying that the Tarighat settlement bears signs of "having been "completely devastated by a huge fire".

The Tarighat excavation has been going on for years (and the site is indeed a great archeological discovery). The photo of the dig is over a year old, which is when J. R. Bhagat had already publicized many significant finds. I wonder if the timing of the "huge fire" story followed less than two months later by the "alien cave painings" story is significant...

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Gregor
7/16/2014 01:43:07 pm

Well obviously the aliens - who from the heavens came - laid waste to the village of Tarighat, took all the attractive womens, then flew away and the few males who survived drew pictures of the yellow-ochre aliens on the nearest cave wall. 1743 BCE: NEVER FORGET!

In all seriousness, though, what's your suggestion? I suppose I can think of two (depending on how much faith one has in humanity):

1, the fire was ancient in origin (perhaps part of what removed Tarighat as a viable habitat?) and the depictions on that cave wall are period-correct representations of said fire?

2, either the fire was recent, or news of the fire at that site was not generating sufficient "traffic", and so a more sensationalist story was concocted for the media to take and run with?

Theory 1 (if that's what you're arguing) does seem pretty interesting... as it would account for the "style" of the paintings as well as the color choices. I haven't the faintest idea how one would "prove" it, though, unless some dating methodology could place the cinders / ruined relics to the same period as the pigments on the cave wall.

Sad that this would (again, to me) prove a far more interesting story than yet another "I dunno, therefore aliens" theory. :(

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EP
7/16/2014 01:51:07 pm

Pseudoscience of all stripes is pervasive in India. Also, there are all kinds of political and elementary business pressures (tourism, etc.). I'm merely wondering whether Mr. Bhagat is angling for a piece of that delicious ancient astronauts publicity pie. Given that earlier stories (at first glance, mind you) don't seem to mention the minor detail of THE SETTLEMENT BEING DESTROYED BY A HUGE FIRE, which, I suspect, isn't hard to see right away, and given that the fire story is followed by the transparently ridiculous claims of alien cave art, the question does suggest itself... (Can't wait for another round of the Brahmastra nonsense...)

Gregor
7/16/2014 01:58:55 pm

Yeah...

I wondered about such things in my initial comment, too, given that the Chhattisgarh state is so "new" and eager to define itself as distinct from everyone else (including the state it used to be a part of).

The lack of readily available sources is so damn frustrating. The only other thing I was able to locate (besides the Times of India and Deccan Chronicle stories above) was a brief foreign-language video of (presumably, he does not match the man in the photo above) JR Bhagat announcing the discovery of some coins at Tarighat. Beyond that, I found it difficult to find anything, much less determine what may or may not be "legitimate".

Even with India's relatively young nationhood... given how rich and long-lived the various Indus-valley civilizations were, you'd think they would have far more developed archaeological and historical organizations than they seem to have.

EP
7/16/2014 02:06:19 pm

It's really sad. There are parts of India where you can just point at random and start digging - and you're likely to find something incredibly interesting. But lack of funding, social and political stupidity of various kinds, as well as notoriously disorganized institutions are preventing it from happening most of the time.

I just hope they don't end up going Schliemann on their own archeological inheritance and tamper with the context (or even the findings) for the sake of a few tourism dollars from the fans of Ancient Aliens. If they end up being even indirectly responsible for that, it would be by far the worst of their impact on the world so far.

Gregor
7/16/2014 02:36:12 pm

That's where things get tricky for me, personally. On the one hand I support claims to national heritage, and the argument that it's not "right" for foreign powers (notably the US and Europe) to effectively collect the relics and histories of other peoples - even under the guise of protecting said relics and histories.

On the other hand, though, so much of this goes beyond nationalism (and that's assuming the modern nation has *any* ties whatsoever to the indigenous culture they "claim") as to be not a matter of local culture, rather one of species identity. Much like the impetus behind the "World Heritage Site" system, I would argue that work like this (and the myriad of relics, architecture, culture and history it uncovers) is the inheritance of all mankind.

I suppose that's one of the reasons I find the "Ancient Alien Hypothesis" so detestable. It takes all the wonder and beauty that's to be found by engaging with our collective past, and poisons it in the hopes of making a quick buck peddling caricatures to those who know no better.

EP
7/16/2014 03:42:11 pm

The more I read about it, the dodgier the whole thing appears... For starters, J. R. Bhagat may be an "actual archeologist", but he is also a government official and doesn't seem to have academic publications (at least not in English). Then, he is reported as saying that the Tarighat excavation is a result of his "personal visit" to the area, during which he made "a chance discovery" of "some old coins, beads, pottery items, bones and some structural features"... Unless we're dealing with poor translation or misreporting, the implications are really alarming... (Also, he is quoted as saying: "For excavation, we would have to dig about 20 feet and few patches have been marked in the region where we expect to find more precious elements." Note the words "expect" and "precious" - remind you of anything?)

Then, the initial reports speak of a ~2500-year-old city, which somehow, without explanation or even photographs of findings, became a 10,000-year-old city in some sources. Note that it would make the cite BY FAR the oldest site in the state. Note also that the claimed 10,000-year-old artefacts come from 20ft below (already planned for by J. R. Bhagat in the initial reports I quote above).

Speaking of the state itself. Chhattisgarh is ABYSMALLY poor and underdeveloped. Like, even by Indian standards. (Also, it's the kind of place that passed a law meant to protect women from accusations of witchcraft... a few years ago!) Their government websites are, I swear, making North Korea look good. It's also not always clear which websites are the government's. For instance, the most informative website is hosted by blogspot:
http://explore-chhattisgarh.blogspot.ca/

Oh, and Google searches for the state department of archaeology are already dominated by aliens...

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Gregor
7/16/2014 04:27:13 pm

I said all this!! ;)

Anyways:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/raipur/Secret-of-Chhattisgarhs-rich-lifestyle-revealed-at-Tarighat/articleshow/20175380.cms

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Tarighat-was-earliest-urban-centre-in-India/articleshow/32683413.cms

Those articles seem to refer to a lot of the points you make...unclear if it's the same ones you've read or not.

As for the website with the .ca domain...the ".ca" means that the website must be owned & operated by a citizen of Canada, a "First Nations" resident of Canada, an official organization of Canada, the Government of Canada, or - if you want to be thorough, Queen Elizabeth II (insofar as her role as Monarch of Canada via the Commonwealth). In other words.... *not* India.

Indian websites are, as you noted, completely insane... worse than early 1990s GeoCities and Tripod. Strictly speaking, any official Government of India website, along with those operated from within India, will have the .in domain tag. Examples include:

http://asi.nic.in (Archaeological Survey of India)
http://india.gov.in (purports, at least, to be the official Government of India)

In any case, you've done far better than I, as I cannot find a single resource to show just who "J R Bhagat" is, where he's from, whom he represents, or anything. What's more, the Archaeological Survey of India does not appear to recognize Chhattisgarh as a state, and there are no listings for any excavation at Tarighat under the "parent" state of Madhya Pradesh.

Several of my searches have been thrown off as "Bhagat" turns up either historical figures, or (apparently) its definition as a term for Sikh holy men. The same goes for Tarighat: The website identifying itself as the "portal" for the Government of India has absolutely 0 results for "Tarighat", but google turns up either links back to the Times of India, or to a page on Sufism (which identifies "Tarighat" as "The Way").

http://www.cgculture.in/Excavation/Tarighat.pdf

appears to be the "official report" of the excavation at Tarighat from the Chhattisgarh Directorate of Archaeology.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/nwlpSHTUWG7jK80otBNs3M/Explorers-find-evidence-of-2500yearold-planned-city.html

That story cites J R Bhagat, as well as two others... It's interesting because JR Bhagat is identified as the "deputy director"... but a later figure, identified as being with the Archaeological Survey of India, said he "gave them permission to dig". As such, it's unclear just what Bhagat is "Deputy Director" of... but it would seem whatever it is, it answers to the ASI

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EP
7/16/2014 04:49:50 pm

He's the Deputy Director of the State Department of Archaeology, apparently. I strongly suspect that he doesn't answer to anyone other than the Chhattisgarh State government.

The newspaper articles on this story are all repeating each other, but I haven't seen the ones you meniton. It just makes things worse - even if the city is 2,300 years old, that wouldn't make it the oldest city in India.

The .ca domain was a surprise to me. At first, it was on the .jp domain (which doesn't make any more sense). I think it may have something to do with how blogspot functions and me writing this from Canada...

Gregor
7/16/2014 05:20:15 pm

Hmm...could be (about the blogspot thing). When I simply google the name, the same webpage comes up as ".com". It also links to a facebook page of the same name (and goodie! they're reposting the "UFO" story!). The facebook version, at least, wasn't created until November of 2013 (~13 years after Chhattisgarh's creation)

As for who runs who... your guess is as good (or better) than mine. The phrasing (plus the fact that the ASI registers excavations and investigations all over India, and has since independence) makes me think that they (ASI) are the only ones who can authorize digs. At least one of the stories, though, suggested that the locals were worried about BOTH groups and insisted that the local police service be called in to secure the area. As far as I can tell (at least, from the pictures they keep recirculating), "beads" means "chunks of solid gold".

Anyways, at least one of the stories I linked claimed that "J R Bhagat" admitted there'd been no radiocarbon dating (or any other dating method) performed... as such, any claims to an age for the site was basically pure speculation.

EP
7/16/2014 05:56:20 pm

Carbon dating?! They don't even have a local expert who could explain to them that the cave art doesn't depict aliens and isn't from 10,000 years ago!

Of course, often carbon dating isn't needed... if the geology and artefacts allow dating the site conclusively...

As for the ASI registration, their rules are too confusing and I don't care enough. But I did notice that, unless the site is nationally protected, the permission is sought through the state where it is to take place. And as J. R. Bhagat tells us, they have their eyes on many "patches" where "precious elements" are "expected" to be found...

Also, the Tarighat excavation "report" reads like a B-level paper of an undergrad with poor Englsih skills. If it is indicative of the project's scientific level, there is no way it's run by qualified academics.

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Gregor
7/16/2014 06:03:30 pm

Well, I suppose there is *some* leniency to be granted seeing as though English is clearly not the "native tongue" of Chhattisgarh State. Still, as far as content goes... I wouldn't even have given it a "B".

Anyways, its situations like this that makes it *real* hard not to run around screaming "SEE? STUFF LIKE THIS IS WHY YOU CANT HAVE NICE THINGS!!"

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EP
7/16/2014 06:15:24 pm

You mean, stuff like:

"The excavation yielded large number of antiquities of this period which are found from the structural level. To compare other early historical sites, here all the structures are made up of stone. Very less amount of bricks are used in the structural creation. One thing observed in the total trenches that bricks are only used in the drainage and used in the latter period structures. So the structural activities of this period were dominantly by stones."

Gregor
7/16/2014 06:23:56 pm

It is, as you say, the yes.

But even more than the odd jumbling of English, I meant poor scholarship, unseemly (if not outright criminal) behavior towards ancient sites, completely irresponsible academic & governmental oversight, etc.

EP
7/16/2014 06:28:55 pm

Things like that just serve to suppress the Truth. Of Aliens.

Only Me
7/16/2014 07:20:09 pm

Not according to Scott Wolter. I'm eagerly awaiting news of the Bollywood-produced India Unearthed.

Gregor
7/16/2014 07:39:55 pm

@Only Me

Only snobs and Imperialists pay attention to Bollywood. The *real* heart of Indian cinema is Tollywood!

I know that sounds like I'm joking, but I'm not. There's a 'new and upcoming' cinema scene in Andhra Pradesh and Telangana states (basically the eastern coast of India, rather than western where Mumbai is). Obviously they'd be the ones to take on such an enterprising story as "aliens landed just north of us in Chhattisgarh!!".

EP
7/16/2014 07:43:51 pm

As long as we get to watch Tsoukalos in a sari singing an 11-minute love song while dancing around a tree, I don't care who produces it.

Only Me
7/16/2014 07:49:26 pm

I don't follow the film industry in India, but thanks for the tidbit. You learn something new every day!

Gregor
7/16/2014 07:49:45 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcJ31-D_Iwk

The turbans who from the heavens came!

EP
7/16/2014 07:52:59 pm

Was expecting the condom song. How disappointing.

Also, did you pick up on Bhagat mentioning that the affluent ancient residents of his crappy state wore turbans? (I wonder if it's some weird supremacist thing we aren't getting...)

Gregor
7/16/2014 08:18:13 pm

I really don't know much about Indian culture today, much less in the past. However, in my very limited experience, turbans are more often worn by Sikhs rather than Hindus. As I mentioned before, "Bhagat" is (apparently) a term for Sikh holy men...

*UNSUPPORTED SUPPOSITION*

Its conceivable that there's some kind of religious underpinning for the issue, or cultural for that fact.

Most people don't realize that prior to the "British Raj", what we call India today was, in truth, several different kingdoms with varied cultures, religions, architectural styles and languages. Even Pakistan was once part of Greater India... and there's more than a little unrest between Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, and Muslims within India.

.
7/17/2014 04:58:55 am

if y'all totally want to actually meet G.T and politely "raspberry"
him with clever questions, in October, in Virginia Beach, VA if
y'all buy up some tickets, he's at the EDGAR CAYCE Institute
along with EvD for an "ancient astronaut" 4 day conference...
today's new thread had me going online to the A.R.E site and
then i spotted our wise and urbane E.T expert. i think that the
Greenfield Mass editor of the local paper is on the A.R.E's lil
ole mailing list, hence the reason why great minds think alike.
GoTo http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/conferencesVaBeach.aspx

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.
7/17/2014 05:14:19 am

lets think over the play OUR TOWN by Thornton Wilder and
as we assume keeping a small paper's loyal readership
amused or upset is a goal in life for a good editor, and that
letter "A" is about the local pothole that always is filled as
fall looms only to become much worse by next March, and
that letter "B" is indirectly about fracking, Richard Cheney,
GOP big oil and AULD ATLANTIS, and is not from the hot and smokin' typewriter of the local crank, but seems to be from a newcomer. in Pascal's Triangle mode do you print "A" or "B"?
I assume a binary choice existed up there to the west of me.

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.
7/17/2014 05:32:19 am

letz go from a microcosm to a macrocosm, and get millennial.

here is THE LETTER... it utilizes a Battlestar Gallactica word!!!

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((DRUMROLLS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

I imagine most readers are at least somewhat familiar with the legend of Atlantis. The enduring myth of an ancient technologically advanced civilization might serve as a warning to us today. As I understand it, they messed with forces beyond their control, and were destroyed.

To cut a long rant short, fracking is freaking stupid!

Lessons learned, right?

___________________________________________
postscript --- Hawaii + Iceland are volcanos writ large. didst
the ATLANTEAN power elite Plato talks about know how we
frack rock layers and why? Jason has the letter in full in the
next blog posting thread, and if AA is correct about a global
culture and/or superpower that had ports of call near the very
cold Berengia land-bridge, off of today's Cuba or Florida, as
well as Indonesia's or Europe's peninsulas, let alone the land
now under the sea NEAR the mouth of the Indus River, rather
than being as helpless and hapless as Pompeii's citizens, did
fracking destabilize all these colonies in tandem globally due
to hubris and greed? Plato assumes they snubbed his Zeus...
GoTo Jowett's passages------ " ...but to those who had no eye
to see the true happiness, they appeared glorious and blessed at the very time when they were full of avarice and unrighteous
power. Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and
is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable
race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment
on them, that they might be chastened and improve, collected
all the gods into their most holy habitation, which, being placed
in the centre of the world, beholds all created things."
(trans. Benjamin Jowett)

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Irna link
7/22/2014 02:28:44 am

Excellent article (in French) by Jean-Loïc Le Quellec, rock art specialist, on this so-called UFO rock art: http://rupestre.on-rev.com/page156/files/9551bba004ff48edfb160c639ea4edbf-98.php

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Pythagoras and Vedic Vibratory Rates link
9/11/2014 05:49:15 am

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2014/09/quantum-harmonies-modern-physics-and-music/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/08/stephen-hawking-higgs-boson-warning_n_5783938.html


Could a layer of Higgs Boson particles in a big Singularity
collapse and set off Creation? a middle ring? not the most
dense? the energy waves could ripple thru akin to Genesis.

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Goofy
11/11/2016 08:42:23 am

Jason, why do you think there is a translation error? Are you aging that Bhagat made his comments in another language and the Times of India translated them into English? How do you know?

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John Chitty
4/24/2018 10:46:37 am

"The Broken Bible: Picking Up The Extraterrestrial Pieces" (See amazon.com)
Would like to send you a copy, just need an e-mail addresss.
Thanks John Chitty
johney7@comcast.net

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