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Together Again: Scott Wolter and Frank Joseph to Speak at Same AAPS Conference in October

8/24/2015

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It’s that time of the year again: The Ancient Artifact Preservation Society has announced its lineup of speakers for one of the Midwest’s largest conferences of fringe historians. Would it surprise you to learn that once again this year Scott Wolter of the History Channel and H2 program America Unearthed has agreed to speak at the same conference as Frank Joseph, the former head of an infamous American Nazi Party and a convicted child predator? Wolter’s lecture topic has yet to be announced, but Joseph will be speaking about the Ice Ages and prehistoric civilizations he believes (pace Graham Hancock and Ignatius Donnelly) were destroyed at the end of the glacial period. No word on whether Joseph intends to link these to Thule, the imaginary Aryan homeland SS commander Heinrich Himmler vainly sought in the 1930s.
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Conference speakers as given on the AAPS website.
Wolter had previously announced that Frank Joseph’s name would not be mentioned on America Unearthed, even when the show explicitly adapted Joseph’s ideas, such the supposed “Phoenician” connection to a Chicago sculpture, a claim Joseph invented. Wolter has no problem appearing alongside Joseph year after year at the AAPS conference, and a few years ago he and Joseph even carpooled to the AAPS conference with Ancient American publisher Wayne May, who is the cohost of the event.

Christopher Dunn, the fringe author who believes the Great Pyramid was a power plant, and who appears frequently on Ancient Aliens, will also be on hand to present.

The conference is schedule to run October 9-11 at the Island Resort Casino and Convention Center near Escanaba, Michigan.

I hope the History Channel enjoys having its logo hovering over the face of Frank Joseph.

While I am on the subject of Frank Joseph, I also need to discuss Richard Flavin, who was the first person to identify the fringe history writer Frank Joseph as the ex-Neo-Nazi Frank Joseph Collin, and to document that Collin changed his name after his release from prison in order to start his new career as a fringe history author, later rising to editor of Mays’s Ancient American magazine, where he is still employed as a special correspondent. Flavin published his findings in 1997, and Frank Joseph has since told others privately that the information is correct. The details of Frank Collin’s Nazi career and subsequent child sex charges are well-known and have been in print for many years before Flavin linked them to Joseph. The History Channel even featured Collin in a documentary on American Nazis.

As some of you who are Facebook friends with me have already seen and have asked about, Flavin has been posting accusations on Facebook in response to my posts, accusing me of plagiarism for what he believes is my insufficient credit to him for writing about Joseph. (I have cited Flavin many times over the years.) Flavin asserts that the identification of Joseph with Collin is his intellectual property and that it is plagiarism to identify Joseph as Collin, or to discuss Collin’s biography, without crediting Flavin. He further asserts that my April 29, 2014 blog post on “Fringe History’s Frank Joseph Problem” was entirely copied from his own work, despite it sharing nothing in common with his articles on Joseph except for the link between Joseph and Collin and the bald facts of Collin’s life, which are readily accessible from many sources, including Wikipedia and the Internet Movie Database (!). “All work was done by me, yet I’m not mentioned,” Flavin wrote to me on July 25. “Teachers run software to detect students stealing others’ work… Shall I run that same test on your article?”

In 2014, Flavin commented on that very blog post and did not mention his upset or concern, waiting 15 months to accuse me of stealing his work. The blog post in question contains material I researched myself, including my communications with Rosen Publishing, one of Joseph’s publishers, as well as my own research into which fringe authors have worked with Joseph, gathered from Joseph’s own books.

Plagiarism is a very serious accusation, but merely citing well-known facts (even if a particular person helped make them well-known) is not the same as plagiarism. My blog post is different in information, organization, theme, content, and presentation from anything Flavin has written. As happy as I am to credit him (as I have done on the past) for his work in exposing Joseph, at this point, nearly two decades later, the mere fact that Frank Collins and Frank Joseph are the same person is not proprietary information.

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Update: Late this evening, Richard Flavin announced on Facebook that he is starting treatment for a serious illness and was advised by his doctors to put his affairs in order. I of course wish him the best in his treatment.
25 Comments
John
8/24/2015 07:21:57 am

I don't know if you saw this Jason, but Scott Wolter has just did an interview recently on a podcast where he talks about the future of his show:

http://engineeringcareercoach.com/2015/08/19/tcep-012-forensics-geology-tv-personality-and-traveling-the-world-with-scott-wolter-the-civil-engineering-podcast/


I believe it's about 10 minutes in I believe (I apologize if I'm not correct) when Wolter first comes in.

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Jason Colavito link
8/24/2015 07:38:04 am

Pirates, Freemasons, and Templars? Discoveries that "change the narrative"? Sounds horrible, but I think David Childress wrote a book about that.

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Krisi
9/19/2015 05:52:52 pm

It must be exhausting spending all your time hating someone. Why don't you get off your computer and prove otherwise? If you think history has not been askewed to make a few profit and become infamous, you must really have lived in a bubble. Not to be mean, but the earth used to be flat and the uinverse revolved around us. I believe in having an open mind. History has been told to us by theories made by human beings. And we make mistakes. And science has also refuted past ideals. So why are you acting so threatened by this one man? I truly am curious.

John
8/24/2015 07:44:55 am

*incorrect

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Scott Hamilton
8/24/2015 07:31:12 am

It amazes me that fringe people are STILL talking about Burrows Cave. Russell Burrows has been making claims about it since 1982, and in the last 23 years he has refused to let anyone else visit it. At what point do you just walk away from a easily proven claim the claimant refuses to prove? I'd hope most people would come to the conclusion it's a scam faster than two and a half decades. Even the guy who fooled the "Roswell Dream Team" with the Roswell slides seemed to realize he couldn't keep them going much more than two years.

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Scott Hamilton
8/24/2015 07:34:05 am

Ack, I meant 33 years. My birthday's tomorrow, and I'm in denial about the basic math used to compute my age.

Shame about Flavin. It's weird, how some people think they can own an idea that comes out of basic research.

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Shane Sullivan
8/24/2015 08:18:17 am

Happy birthday!

Clete
8/24/2015 08:27:23 am

Still curious, is Scott Wolter going to have another show or not?

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tm
8/24/2015 07:19:36 pm

In his blog on July 28 Wolter told Mindy his show was supposed to air in about three weeks. Which means we can look forward to seeing it sometime...last week. Makes me wonder if anyone at the History Channel is returning his calls.

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John
8/25/2015 05:24:08 am

On his twitter within the last couple of weeks Scott Wolter said that he has been having to do more pick up shots for the show. He also seemed to subtly suggest that the show could pushed back. But don't worry guys...stay tuned for more updates! More news on it should be coming soon!

Scarecrow
8/24/2015 08:33:07 am

The more you debunk, the bigger believers they become. Everything backfires.

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Shane Sullivan
8/24/2015 08:37:37 am

That's strange, Flavin has left quite a few generally positive comments since that blog post. Oh well, I won't dwell on that.

Instead, I'll take the high road and point out that that AAPS post shows Geoffrey Whittum as a large green stone with a tiny man standing in front of it. =P

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tm
8/24/2015 07:38:48 pm

In addition to the strange topics and goofy photos (or the goofy topics and strange photos) it's always a red flag for me when I see a brochure with people described as "Dr." instead of listing actual credentials after their names.

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Mike
8/24/2015 01:44:42 pm

I see there's a guy going to talk about Angkor Wat. I have a real problem with people calling Angkor Wat "ancient". Something built in the 12th century is certainly old but hardly ancient.

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Mike
8/24/2015 01:46:49 pm

Also, how anyone can look at the Burrow's Cave "artifacts" and do anything but laugh is beyond me.

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Scarecrow
8/24/2015 04:22:25 pm

http://www.criticalenquiry.org/burrowscave/burrows.shtml

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V
8/24/2015 04:54:37 pm

...is it perhaps possible that Flavin's accusations stem from issues involved in his health? Being sister to a soon-to-be psychologist, I can't help being aware that this is something that is a possibility, particularly with a terminal illness. Unlike fringeys, who generally make accusations to make themselves look more credible, or because you have questioned their faith (even if they don't think of it that way), Mr. Flavin may be reacting the way he is because he's facing his own mortality and is facing panic-driven thoughts of his legacy after he's gone, as well as lashing out because of pain and grief for all sorts of reasons. I feel it's a matter for compassion, perhaps, and I also wish him the best.

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Joseph Wilson
8/5/2016 11:51:33 pm

V---

You are right on the money. Rick was a voice in the wilderness on this stuff for a long time, and he witnessed the widespread popularization of the material in recent years, just as he became aware that his own life was ending, and it really threw him for a loop.

ALSO, he was the victim of a series of pretty vicious libel on the website and facebook posts of one of the notorious pseudo-scholars, whose efforts he became aware of around the same time as the exchange with Jason above. I will not give voice to that libel, but suffice it to say that he was under extreme stress to put it mildly.

He wanted nothing more than to expose this stuff, and I know from personal correspondence that he saw Jason as an ally in this battle, but was (as you say) was deeply concerned about his legacy in his final months.

He also privately expressed fear to me that the aforementioned libelous pseudo-scholar would learn of his impending demise and engage in preemptive grave-dancing. You can imagine how he felt.

I debated whether I should share this here earlier, but I have decided we need to clear the air.

Rest in Peace Rick, and thank you Jason for your careful work.

Here is the column in question:

http://www.flavinscorner.com/stepping.htm

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Colin Hunt
8/24/2015 09:59:27 pm

FYI. H2 has this afternoon (in the Philippines) announced a new series of America Unearthed featuring, you guessed it, SW. Missed the start date as I was not really paying attention to the TV until I heard the program name and saw the screen graphics, but it's obviously imminent.

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Colin Hunt
8/24/2015 10:49:59 pm

Further to my above post, H2 is advertising an "All New" America Unearthed series starting on September 9th at 8PM local Philippine time.

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Dave
8/25/2015 02:00:08 am

It might be fun to attend, just to see all of the goofballs on stage.

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Scarecrow
8/25/2015 03:17:59 am

I once attended a lecture given by Adrian Gilbert, who claimed the "authorities" sabotaged a cave to continue suppressing secret history

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Dave
8/25/2015 04:11:50 am

I doubt I would have been able to surprise laughing at that comment.

Joe Scales
8/25/2015 04:57:54 am

As per the website, a speaker slot is open. Do you think they'll leave it open for rebuttal?

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Colin Hunt
8/26/2015 01:18:38 am

The H2 TV advert for the upcoming new America Unearthed series contains a short and classic Wolter paranoid/conspiracy theory sound bite. Talking to an unidentified man, about an unidentified subject, Wolter exclaims "So the Government let you in, but would not let me in." I guess that means we are going to get yet more conspiracy theory nonsense in the new series.

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