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Tom DeLonge Asks If "Ultra-Terrestrials" Arrived in "Lemuria and Atlantis" Time

8/20/2019

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​The other day, UFO circuit regular and local Las Vegas TV reporter George Knapp published a statement from Luis Elizondo of To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science about recently released emails that Elizondo had sent to the Pentagon requesting permission to share the UFO videos that helped launch TTSA back in 2017. The emails were written in July 2017 while Elizondo was a Pentagon employee but was actively plotting to move to TTSA, which he did in October of that year. While most of the coverage in the UFO community has focused on the question of whether the emails support Elizondo’s claim to have supervised the Pentagon’s pork project UFO-tracking program, I want to highlight a more interesting issue, how Elizondo actually describes the supposed “unmanned aerial vehicle” threat when he isn’t speaking to UFO believers. 
In the emails, Elizondo describes what would soon become To the Stars (to judge by the identical and unusual terminology used by both Elizondo and the future TTSA) as creating a database to study unmanned aerial vehicles and the potential threat they pose to national security and Defense Department assets. But in defining these vehicles, he identifies them as “balloons, commercial UAVs, private drones such as quadcopters, etc.” and does not mention unidentified or unidentifiable vehicles, nor spaceships from other dimensions. Granted, he concludes his description by saying that he hopes to learn about the “vulnerabilities” of certain undefined “systems” that the context implies are the UAVs, but his description rather pointedly makes no mention of the advanced otherworldly technologies that he allegedly believes are hovering in the skies. This is especially strange since (a) he allegedly headed the UFO program, (b) only portions of the program were classified, and (c) everyone involved should theoretically have been aware of these allegedly superhuman technologies. After all, they were talking about supposed UFO videos that everyone involved actually saw.
 
Ufologists argued that the “balloons, etc.” description is a cover story used because the UFO portion of Elizondo’s office at the Pentagon was classified; therefore, everyone lied to pretend that UFOs weren’t under discussion. This strikes me as decidedly odd since the emails were about alleged UFO videos.
 
Elizondo told Knapp this weekend that he purposely lied about the nature of unmanned vehicles because he couldn’t talk about them due to their classified nature. Funny how that doesn’t apply now that he’s on TV. In the same breath, he says that he was emailing with Pentagon officials who were looped in and knew about it, yet their emails contain no reference to UFOs or even redactions where such discussion might have occurred.
 
That wasn’t the only news from TTSA this past week.
 
Over the weekend, Tom DeLonge of To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science posted a speculative thread on Twitter in which he discussed his growing belief that a genetically “advanced” race of “ultra-terrestrials” have been on Earth since “Lemuria and Atlantis times” and were the inspiration for the angels and gods of early mythologies. He walked it back in part, suggesting that he was merely “thinking out loud,” but the specific argument he used should be familiar to most of you reading this blog.

1. I’ve often wondered- What if there was a genetically advanced race (looks like us) but smarter and way more evolved...

— Tom DeLonge (@tomdelonge) August 18, 2019

2. what if they have been here since the Ancient Greek, Lemuria and Atlantis times? Would they be telepathic? Would they be the root of historical accounts of Angels and Greek Gods? I guess I’d call them “Ultra-Terrestrials” and stop calling them “alien” ....

— Tom DeLonge (@tomdelonge) August 18, 2019
​I’m sure you recognize this as the core of Theosophy, in which Helena Blavatsky posited that human-like beings from other dimension versions of other planets—i.e. ultra-terrestrials—came to Earth in the distant past and taught the “root races” of Lemuria and Atlantis the arts of civilization. Later known as Ascended Masters, these beings had psychical powers such as telepathy and in later Theosophical views they traveled between planets in their fiery chariots, which presaged UFOs by several decades.
 
The specific claims that DeLonge discusses in his tweet are nearly identical to those made by Theosophists Annie Besant and C. W. Leadbeater in their 1913 book Man: Whence, How and Whither. In that book, they discussed Venusians traveling to Earth in their fiery chariots, how the ancient gods and heroes like Heracles and Buddha were beings from the Moon, Mars, and other planets, and how people alive at present embodied these ultra-terrestrial beings.
 
I sincerely doubt that DeLonge read Besant and Leadbeater. But Theosophical ideas were highly influential and appear in works like those of Erich von Däniken, who credulously accepted Theosophical ideas in his early books. For example, in Gods from Outer Space, he wrote that the Book of Dzyan, a text forged by Helena Blavatsky, predated humanity.
 
DeLonge is quite clearly showing his familiarity with 1970s paperback fringe history books, which he has said on several occasions formed the basis of his understanding of ufology. It’s also difficult not to think that there is a little bit of influence here from Peter Levenda, DeLonge’s writing partner who has been a longtime student of the occult and has long been suspected of being the true author of the Simon Necronomicon, whose sequels’ copyrights are registered under his name.
 
Theosophy’s Atlantis and Lemuria were associated with root races, a concept that involved Aryans and soon after Helena Blavatsky’s time merged seamlessly into the scientific racism of the nineteenth century, eventually finding a home in Heinrich Himmler’s ramshackle Aryan cosmology in Nazi Germany. Lemuria was a fictional lost continent born of a scientific error—the idea that a land bridge helped lemurs move from India to Madagascar—and was debunked with plate tectonics.
 
It’s great to know that the man behind the supposed effort to expose the truth about UFOs not only suckles at the teat of Hal Puthoff’s UFOs-are-poltergeists idea but also is flirting with racist theosophical garbage. So is this the big revelation of To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science? Theosophy? 
38 Comments
Kent
8/20/2019 09:30:33 am

I dunno, seeing racism behind every lamppost and under every bed. According to Theosophy every human alive today is a member of the Fifth Root Race. As mentioned earlier some of the sub-races of the Third Root Race were egg layers. One wonders if the word "Race" adversely affects the so-called "thinking" process of the the three-brained beings of this unfortunate planet.

It's been a long time since I read Theosophy books but I don't remember the fiery chariots, and my recollection is that the Ascended Masters come from Earth.

Too much is made of the word "Aryan" which while tainted by Nazi usage is a perfectly good anthropological (for lack of a better word) term and a technical term in Buddhism. Should Swastika, Ontario be bombed?

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Shane Sullivan
8/20/2019 10:56:39 am

There are some references to fiery chariots in Man: Whence, How and Whither.

"Then, with the mighty roar of swift descent from incalculable heights, surrounded by blazing masses of fire which filled the sky with shooting tongues of flame, flashed through the aerial spaces the chariot of the Sons of the Fire, the Lords of the Flame from Venus"

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E.P. Grondine
8/20/2019 05:14:44 pm

https://press.princeton.edu/titles/5206.html

Kent, I pretty much expect you not to know whatever you write on.

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Kent
8/21/2019 06:08:21 pm

And what does this have to do with Theosophy, you poor pathetic sad old foul-mouthed senior citizen?

Just another sad old man
All alone and dying of cancer.

Let's talk about your bowels and bladder:

And when you lose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone
And it's too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw around
So have a good drown, as you go down all alone
Dragged down by the stone.

Anusol
8/24/2019 06:31:18 pm

Kent you are a c*nt.

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Shane Sullivan
8/20/2019 10:59:50 am

Plate Tectonics may have rendered a land bridge unnecessary, but all that really proves is that Lemuria wasn't as big as originally thought before it broke apart. That's why lemurs are so much smaller than us. =P

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tom mellett
8/20/2019 11:54:05 am

The release date for Levenda's Volume 2 of _Sekret Machines_ is October 15, 2019, less than 2 months away, so, as the saying goes: "Coming events cast their shadows before."

https://www.amazon.com/Jaycargogo-Womens-Strapless-Ruffle-Sleeveless/dp/1943272379

SEKRET MACHINES: MAN by Peter Levenda

The stunning continuation of an intensive study of UFO phenomena in which the hard science, technology, and the human mind are explored as they relate to our world and the encounters that people are still having today…

In _Sekret Machines: Gods_, the cultural, historical, and religious aspects of mankind’s encounters with UFO’s was explained by Open Mind's 2017 UFO Researcher of the Year and To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science founder Tom DeLonge with renowned research author Peter Levenda.

Here, they continue their revelatory work in a thoroughly-researched expose that seeks to solve the scientific mysteries of the the unidentified aerial phenomenon, the UFO experiencers whose lives were changed forever, and what it means for all mankind. To this end, they have divided their study into three fields of inquiry:

[1] Genetics and the ET Hypothesis:
Was life on Earth actually initiated by alien life forms deliberately? Many cultures worldwide hold clues in their mythos that points to this. But for what ultimate purpose would this have? And what does that make humanity?

[2] Consciousness:
If the building blocks of life were truly transplanted by a higher intelligence with intent, was our human concept of consciousness included in that DNA? And as we evolve, are we headed toward eventual immortality as sentient beings?

[3] Human-Machine Symbiosis:
In this section, the concept of technological advancement is explored—focusing on our own astounding achievements in recent years in the fields of Artificial Intelligence and robotics—which leads to a much deeper question: If we have come so far so fast, what unfathomable level of technology must the phenomenon already possess?

In _Sekret Machines: Man_, DeLonge and Levenda go beyond the lies fed to the public for decades—using unsealed confidential records, expert analysis, and eyewitness testimony from scientists, civilians, military personnel, researchers, and UFO experiencers to reveal the wide-ranging influence that UFO forces have had upon our past, continue to exert on our present, and may hold for our future.

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Kent
8/20/2019 12:11:04 pm

"DeLonge and Levenda go beyond the lies fed to the public for decades"

I'm sure they do. If lies were amplifiers theirs would go up to 11 and never stop.

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tom mellett
8/20/2019 12:16:53 pm

Jason, Have you seen this George Knapp-mediated

******* EXCLUSIVE LUIS ELIZONDO STATEMENT******

on the Coast to Coast AM website? Lue puts all doubters to rest if not shame.

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/exclusive-luis-elizondo-statement

Did the Dept. of Defense authorize the release of three purported UFO videos in 2017 and 2018? That question has largely been settled but continues to generate questions among some researchers.

This week, in response to a FOIA request, the Pentagon released additional information about the email communications between the requester Luis Elizondo (pictured) and the DOD. After reading some of the hostile comments posted on social media,

George Knapp reached out to Lue Elizondo for further comment. Elizondo sent this statement:

"Once again, this is yet another attempt by a few antagonists to bend facts around their false narrative. What the emails actually prove is as follows:

1) I did indeed work in AATIP

2) I was in a Senior position

3) The videos were coordinated for release the proper way and the decision was a group decision

4) The Pentagon and not Luis Elizondo approved release

As for the notion by the conspiracy theorist that some how I released the videos under false pretenses is further negated by the following:

A) At the time of the request, AATIP was still a small and sensitive program that I was not at liberty to discuss among a broader audience. As such, I used the term UAS as a general phrase that people could understand without specifically highlighting UAPs.

B) That individuals who were also part of the AATIP and UAP effort and who ultimately authorized the release were CCd on all the emails so those who needed to know, absolutely knew. This is the "OCA" or better known as the Original Classification Authority. This is evident by the fact that the Pentagon chose to redact their names, namely because they are still part of the effort and work at the Pentagon.

C) It was the Pentagon and not me who believed releasing the videos to a broader audience would be easier. One can read my emails to see I wanted to keep the videos protected but they felt releasing them at the unrestricted level would be easier and more efficient.

D) The reason why it reads "Not Applicable" under the section "PUBLICATION" is because last I checked you can't "publish a video" you "release a video". As such, I did not want to confuse DOPSR by indicating I wanted to publish the videos...we wanted to release them instead. Proper English grammar.

---Luis Elizondo

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tom mellett
8/20/2019 07:32:50 pm

Ah, Jason, now I realize that you definitely have seen the exclusive Elizondo statement because it's your very first link in the post which of course I did not click on this morning.

But your 2nd link is broken, so I can correct that here:

https://silvarecord.com/2019/08/17/elizondos-ufo-video-emails-a-breakdown

Elizondo’s UFO Video Emails: A Breakdown
by Danny Silva

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Frank
8/20/2019 02:22:24 pm

Your writings are generally excellent, however, when you veer off topic into the SJW nonsense, you sort of fall off a cliff. Levenda is Jewish and there is no way he would associate with DeLonge if DeLonge were a ‘Nazi’ sympathizer.

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Jason Colavito link
8/20/2019 02:27:48 pm

I don't for a minute think Tom DeLonge has any concept of where the ideas he spouts come from or how they have been used.

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Joe Scales
8/20/2019 03:11:23 pm

Jason,
Do you truly suppose that your own ideas... the things you learned over the years, weren't ever conceived or promoted by racists? You veer dangerously into the realm of association fallacy when you smear your targets as racist based upon past mindsets which may or may not be accurate in their determinations regardless. A racist can be right or wrong, just like anyone else; and not every idea they hold dear resides within a racist vacuum.

But for you, and your political brethren, R is the new scarlet letter. There was a moral to that story, wasn't there?

tom mellett
8/20/2019 04:58:49 pm

Frank, I would love to see your evidence that Peter Levenda is Jewish. Seems pretty clear that he was raised in the Catholic Church by Slavonic parents. Did he convert to Judaism in is adulthood?

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Kent
8/21/2019 06:11:35 pm

I'd like to see the evidence of a "Catholic" upbringing by "Slavonic" parents. Words haben meaning and stuff.

tom mellett
8/23/2019 11:44:46 pm

What I can say is that I am personally acquainted with Herr Petrus de Levenda well enough to have asked him about his parentage and religious upbringing, but not well enough to propose he present his pudenda to Frank for the purpose of disproving Frank's specious claim that Peter is a Jew.

tom mellett
8/20/2019 05:25:26 pm

The latest crowing from TTSA to the Terran world:

================
WATCH THE VIDEO!

The Social and Political Impact of To The Stars Academy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=16_bAySUQfQ

With over a million people tuning in to watch our team on HISTORY's Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation — and with mainstream media coverage of our work briefing policymakers, who are now taking action in government — there is a tidal wave of incredible impact that can be seen making its way around the world.

“This is not just a show to entertain. This is a mechanism to change the way that government acts.” - Tom DeLonge

Learn more at https://tothestarsacademy.com
Read our offering circular here: https://bit.ly/2Sdy0cV

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TONY S.
8/20/2019 06:12:35 pm

More recycling of old Theosophical ideas by the fringe

It's amusing that people like Delonge speak as if they are revealing some new, paradigm shifting idea that no one has ever thought of and passing it off as their own,assuming no on else has read the same books.

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Crash55
8/20/2019 06:42:10 pm

First off the link to the emails in the article is broken. You can still get to them via the statement link though.

The emails appear to be from the SIPR net. That is the classified DoD network. As such there would be no reason to not refer to AATIP or to UFO’s. It is patently obvious that he got the videos released for a very different purpose than he is using them for. However he had them released as Distro A so that means they can be given to anyone now.

The OCA is the person who determined the original classification. From the emails you can see that the videos were unclassified when the email trail started. They were mostly likely considered FOUO which is still a classification but not what most people think of when they say “classified.” You don’t need a clearance to see FOUO just an official reason. The concern appears to be metadata in the video that could give away exact locations of exercises.

Try OCA appears to be the only name that is redacted. This could be for any number of reasons. The OCA could be at ship level or fleet level and in either case giving away that person’s name could be seen a security risk.

The release request does give Elizondo’s grade and position. I can’t find any information about the group he is director of so I aguessing it is at least three levels below OUSD(I). Being listed a director though point to him being management and not a hands on person.

His grade of GS-15 is considered the civilian equivalent of a full colonel. Salary tops out in the 160’s. It is considered a senior grade however there are lots and lots of them. Pretty much everyone aat division chief (second line supervisor) and above is a GS-15. In the DC area though there are lots of 15’s because of the high cost of living.

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Rainbow unicorn
8/20/2019 08:43:17 pm

It’s patently obvious that the link to the emails in the article isn’t the only thing that’s broken here.

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Crash55
8/21/2019 07:31:29 am

Since you don't agree what wiring with my analysis?

I believe it is patently obvious that Elizondo was nothing but a mid level bureaucrat who decided to cash in on some videos

Denise Spear
8/20/2019 10:30:38 pm

There are civilian grades above GS 16, called ES Executive Series for Directors and some important superintendents. Saying that as someone who just retired from the National Park Service last week.

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Rainbow unicorn
8/20/2019 10:44:10 pm

Thank you for your service sir.

rainbow rhinoceros
8/20/2019 10:50:05 pm

Thank you for your service ma'am.

Crash55
8/21/2019 07:42:36 am

I never said GS-15 was the highest civilian grade. It is the highest non-executive level left though. The super grades (GS-16 - 18) haven't existed in years. Within DoD there are many alternative pay scales and some allow for above GS-15 though I have heard of only a few actually using it.

Generally above GS-15 you enter some form of "executive service." These are the equivalent of flag positions and the higher level ones do have flags and coin . They are normally designated SES (management) or ST (technical). In DoD there are under 500 SES positions.

None of this though changes that Elizondo was a GS-15. Given that OUSD(I) is an SES level 3 and his flag has 4 stars you can assume that Elizondo was at least three levels below him. His organization doesn't even show on the OUSD(I) website.

tom mellett
8/23/2019 11:24:54 pm

Greetings Crash55 and Denise,

John Greenewald is pursuing splendid FOIA research of everything connected with Elizondo and AATIP. He uncovered a Form DD 1910 which gives the following Job Title for Elizondo. What can you tell us about these designations?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXPyJQnsu5Q

NAME: Luis D. Elizondo
RANK: GS-15
TITLE: Director, National Programs Special Management Staff
OFFICE: NPSMS
AGENCY: OUSD(I), DOD

In 2009, Senator Harry Reid requested SAP (Special Access Program) status for AATIP naming Elizondo as one of the recipients. Apparently his job was to grant SAP access for AATIP. A WikiLeaks document shows a resume of a Supervisory Intelligence Operations Specialist, Foreign Disclosure Office, OUSDI, who had Elizondo as his supervisor starting in 2008.

Crash55
8/24/2019 01:00:27 pm

Tom,

That is the same info for Elizondo that was in the emails. The fact that someone listed him as his supervisor doe help place Elizondo in the overall hierarchy.

Generally in DoD' all GS (and equivalent scales) will have “supervisory” listed as the first part of their position description. In my organization first line supervisors are DB04 (GS-14 equivalent) and their titles are Branch Chief. Second line are DB05 (GS-15 equivalent) are called Competency Managers (division chief). Third tier are also DB05 and are called Competency Directors. The next two levels are SES and then you are out if the Center and to a larger command. There are two levels above the Center before you get to the 4 star equivalent that reports to the service chief of staff.

Generally to be a directorate you need three divisions under you and to be a division you need three branches. Branches are ideally supposed to have 13 people in them but can go as low as 8 or as big as 20.

Now these rules differ a bit in DC do to both grade inflation and department needs. So I would think Elizondo was at least a second line supervisor. He could be a third line though the way he comes off on TV isn’t really in line with the people you normally find at that level. Either way he was no higher than mid management and was “senior” only in the idea that GS15 is as high as the GS schedule goes. In a military sense he was a Field Grade and not a General officer.

Kent
8/24/2019 07:43:35 pm

"TITLE: Director, National Programs Special Management Staff"

Sounds like an HR Director in charge of the hiring of managers.

Ed Asner is not impressed.

Bill
8/20/2019 09:57:04 pm

"DeLonge is quite clearly showing his familiarity with 1970s paperback fringe history books"

Or, he's just been watching the latest episodes of Ancient Aliens. Wasn't it just last week this was the very topic?

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tom Mellett
8/20/2019 10:14:26 pm

Keep your alarm clocks set for 2 PM Pacific time tomorrow, Wed August 21, when John Greenewald of the Black Vault will explain the Elizondo emails on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFXbJ_RPqzE

Join me, John Greenewald, Jr., as I breakdown the new Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) release of e-mails to/from Mr. Luis Elizondo. Find out about the process Mr. Elizondo utilized to have the three "UAP videos" reviewed by the Pentagon, and, what the e-mails reveal about the videos themselves. I'll even go through what the e-mails DON'T reveal, despite what some may want you to think.

In addition to the documented facts, I'll break down a statement on this very issue by Luis Elizondo himself, made through George Knapp and Coast to Coast AM (not KLAS-TV/Las Vegas). Why would Mr. Elizondo respond this way, and not through their own PR department/firm working with To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science?

What important details did Mr. Elizondo omit from his statement to justify his actions? I'll use his own words to prove these discrepancies and possible outright fabrications to protect his story.

Lastly, I will break down the downright fabricated (yes, I'll prove it) "reporting" by some bloggers/"journalists" that are twisting the facts, and even making up their own, to fit TTSA's agenda and protect their image.

Don't take my word for it -- I'll show you the proof and let you decide by showing you their own words, not mine, and verifiable evidence to disprove their claims to you, all while parading as "unbiased journalists."

Who do you believe when it is all said and done? You decide... join me for a fun and informative analysis of what these documents really are... and aren't.

=========

Source of documents:
https://www.theblackvault.com/casefiles/inside-the-pentagons-release-of-three-ufo-videos-breakdown-of-the-dd-form-1910-dopsr-process/

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Kent
8/21/2019 06:42:42 am

Did no one else notice Elizondo no longer claims he ran AATIP, just "2) I was in a Senior position"?

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An Anonymous Nerd
8/21/2019 10:33:07 am

Just a general reply rather than combing through and replying post-by-post.

Ideas have consequences, and ideas have allies. Mr. Colavito has pointed out one intellectual consequence and intellectual ally of Theosophy, and folks flip out because that ally represents ideas they agree with and personalities they admire. He didn't say Theosophy agreed with those ideas, or directly implied those ideas, merely that those connections exist.

It's actually a close variation on something my Conservative friends do -- they link every idea I have to Stalin. Except that in Mr. Colavito's case the connections are historical and demonstrable, not made up. (And of course that those kinds of ahistorical connections are made in major media outlets, day in and day out, and on the President of the United States's Twitter feed! With scarcely a complaint from those who roll on here and complain.)

As to seeing racism everywhere....Well at this point, thanks to the racists, it pretty much is everywhere. So you don't have to look very hard. You need to talk to the White Nationalists about that. Not Mr. Colavito. And certainly not me.

The fact that the Fringe and the Right are more-often-than-not linked is pretty well demonstrated. Mr. Colavito has demonstrated it, as have I. When Mr. Colavito points it out, you.....Insult him (rather childishly, at that). And others who agree with his, rather clear and cogent, analyses. This isn't really the best response if intellectual respectability is your goal -- but, of course, your side of the fence is pretty well funded so that funding can, and has, bought a lot of intellectual respectability over the years.

Though I have to say, one insult in particular, SJW, is especially odd to me. It stands for "Social Justice Warrior," and, really, if you have a problem with seeking to advance social justice, that's a problem with you -- not with social justice or those of us seeking to advance it.

Having said that, nothing about Mr. Colavito's article has all that much to do with social justice. Rather, to return to the start, he's pointing out that ideas have consequences and have allies. And this offends you.

Oh well.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Kent
8/21/2019 10:51:18 am

Okay, you're not down with Stalin. 4th International? Nevermind, say no more, say no more.

I have it on good authority that the Nazis not only stole the word "Aryan" from the Theosophists (for whom even Negroes and Hottentots are Aryans) but also the word "the".

I'd be interested to hear your views on the difference between Stalin's murder of Trotsky by ice-axe and Obama's murder of Anwar al-Awlaky by drone.

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Leif
8/23/2019 12:34:25 am

Dear Mr. Colavito:
>>Theosophy’s Atlantis and Lemuria were associated with root races, a concept that involved Aryans and soon after Helena Blavatsky’s time merged seamlessly into the scientific racism of the nineteenth century, eventually finding a home in Heinrich Himmler’s ramshackle Aryan cosmology in Nazi Germany.

You’re being too hard on the Theosophists. While the ‘science’ behind their racial theories is laughable, the very existence of racial theory does not prove racism. The term ‘Aryan’ meant ‘Proto-Indo-European’– no more no less. Prior to the rise of the Nazis, the term was not associated with white-supremacism.

The Theosophists believed that different races had different characteristics, but they are arguably no more racist than their more scientific contemporaries. I call your attention to the following monograph: Pape, Capt A.G;, Is there a new race type? and the philosophy behind. Edinburgh: Fyall & Maine, 1923.

Pape describes the Theosophist view of race and briefly lists traits associated with each. He then discusses the emergence of a new synthetic race type which will have advantages over its forebears, as it combines traits from all races. Nowhere does Pape posit that one of today’s races is superior to any other.

In a review appearing in the ‘Theosophical Messenger’ (volume XVII, No. 1, January 1929), M. G. Elliott states: ‘We theosophists must certainly agree with Capt. Pape in this conclusion, and this reviewer recommends his book as decidedly worth reading.’

Generally you argue very reasonably, but this page is an exception. It sounds like you’re arguing that mixing a theory of racial traits with mumbo-jumbo somehow leads to Heinrich Himmler, and therefore DeLonge is some kind of racist. But your argument is association without evidence.

Wouldn’t it have been better simply to note that DeLonge is echoing arguments that have been discredited long ago?

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Sam
8/23/2019 07:27:54 am

Just stumbled across your post, Jason, for which I thank you.
You clearly have some serious analytical thinking skills - much needed and very welcome.

How many in the little echo chamber that is online ufology are truly aware that out here in the big world just about no one is even mildly interested in all this malarkey?!

Isn't it all turning into a grand distraction (not to mention, a whole big muddle that seems to obscure the many decades of serious, robust research work and reportage put in by a good number of non-commercial investigators)? Or maybe that distraction was part of the project?

Might it be high time for everyone to move on, leave TTSA et al to their own business, and focus on supporting efforts that are more likely to yield transparent, straightforward and truthful answers - given by easily verifiable and genuinely highly knowledgeable people who have no appreciable commercial interest in their own research activities?


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Dumb Slut jests
8/23/2019 08:29:28 am

"Just stumbled" is rarely the truth.

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Sam
8/23/2019 08:39:56 am

IYHO - LOL!

Not at all sure that your comment advances the conversation though!

Jim
8/24/2019 10:54:35 am

Sam:

"How many in the little echo chamber that is online ufology are truly aware that out here in the big world just about no one is even mildly interested in all this malarkey?! "

Too many people are interested in this malarkey. That and gullibility are the reasons this and other pseudoscience entities are such huge cash cows. Money, fame and yes even respect are the rewards for the successful con artists known as pseudo's.

The internet has given con artists a huge platform and supplied them with a gigantic group of willing victims, all gathered in the same place.
They can make large sums of money from small amounts garnered from the many rather than a large con perpetrated on a single victim.
The new reality I suppose.

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        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
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        • Atlantis >
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          • W. Scott-Elliot >
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        • Lost Cities >
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        • The Many Wives of Jesus
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        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
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          • Fossil Elephants
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          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
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        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
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        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
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        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
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      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Scrapbook
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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