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Tom DeLonge Says Fiction Is the "Next Best Thing" to Government Disclosure When It Comes to UFOs

3/23/2017

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​This week we learned that ancient astronaut believer Rob Lowe signed on with A&E, a corporate cousin of Ancient Aliens broadcaster the History Channel, to star in a reality series in which he and his 20-something sons will travel around solving Scooby-Doo-style supernatural mysteries – if by “solving” them you mean standing out in a field in the middle of the night and gawking at whatever skitters before their night vision lenses. Lowe said that he has long been obsessed with aliens, monsters, and ghosts: “When I became a father I shared those tales with my two sons. Together we bonded over Bigfoot, UFO’s, and every creepy and bizarre story we could find, passionately debating if they were real … or not.” The Lowe Files, according to A&E, won’t be as much about the “truth” as it will be about the Lowe family bonding through doing activities together.
​At least Lowe and A+E are honest about what their show is trying to do. On Tuesday, Mother Jones published an interview with Sekret Machines co-author Tom DeLonge, and it was just as bizarre as you might expect. DeLonge had long promised that he would spearhead “disclosure” of the American government’s UFO knowledge, but he has walked back that claim considerably. I can’t do better than to quote DeLonge’s sad and cynical dance around the very concept of “truth” in response to a question from the magazine about whether the U.S. government is using DeLonge to spread propaganda and misinformation. Pay special attention to how DeLonge fails to distinguish between fact and fiction:
I think they're using me, absolutely, because I can help. But I don't think they're using me for any kind of misinformation, absolutely not, and I'll tell you why. It took me a year to reach three groups of people in various stovepipes of the government…that were in charge of this subject matter, not only in terms of engineering, but in terms of intelligence and military. They all said the exact same thing, the exact same story, and that's what's so important about what I'm doing with the Sekret Machines franchise. The reality is if the president and Congress aren't going to have congressional hearings and have an open statement, then the next best thing is a $100 million movie with a $100 million in marketing, with an international release, and having that happen every couple of years with nonfiction books and documentaries. Then you kind of get an awareness going, a conversation going. That's what I'm doing.
​Did you catch that? Short of “real” government disclosure, “the next best thing” is a fictional movie! By that measure, Close Encounters of the Third Kind already achieved all of DeLonge’s goals. I am deeply disturbed the ease with which DeLonge (and his coauthor, Peter Levenda) move back and forth been fiction and nonfiction, as though the admitted false narratives of fiction were coequal with factual evidence in achieving their goal of social and political change.
 
DeLonge, though, has an explanation that almost makes sense, if you don’t think about it too much. He claims that the fiction is really just a come-on, a way to bait the trap and lure audiences into his web of nonfiction “truths.” To that end, he explains it this way:
Think of it like the way they do Star Wars or Marvel films. It's an entertain-and-educate model. So you can watch a future film and go, "Wow, I never thought of it that way. I never thought that could be real. Seriously, what's the story behind this?" Then they go buy some nonfiction or watch a documentary.
​I think the key word is “buy,” but even if we take DeLonge at face value, we have a situation where he creates a false narrative through fiction, supports only parts of its through nonfiction, and then uses that alleged support to create the impression that whole of the fictional narrative is secretly true and might be vindicated at some future date in the “years” and “years” of releases DeLonge plans.
 
It’s a clever strategy if you (a) want to sell a lot of product and (b) get around having to actually provide evidence for your most extreme claims. And why would he want to avoid that? Well, first because the evidence doesn’t exist, but also because he has followed Ancient Aliens and Graham Hancock down the rabbit hole of “quantum physics” and “consciousness,” imagining UFOs and aliens as honest to goodness gods from spirit dimensions. He confessed in the interview that he grew up resenting being “forced” to follow his mother’s evangelizing form of Christianity, and he said he began looking for a new form of spirituality after researching other forms of religion. This isn’t the work of a man who became enamored of space aliens but rather a wannabee guru who is really in the business of selling an alternative faith. Space aliens just happen to substitute for angels.
 
But what I can’t quite figure is how DeLonge marries together two disparate elements of his belief system. In the interview he specified that the UFO mystery is not about space aliens (“…that’s not the truth”) but rather internal issues of “quantum physics and (human) consciousness.” Yet when asked about his advocacy in restoring confidence in government, he returned to flesh-and-blood space aliens, saying that soon the U.S. government would announce the existence of planets that could harbor life. “Then they start announcing microbial life. And then they start announcing structures, and then they start announcing other things.” Somehow it is both and neither, at least until book 3 or movie 5 or TV show 12 when he figures out exactly what he means.
21 Comments
tm
3/23/2017 10:49:20 am

Well, we're already finding that fictional Twitter posts are the "Next Best Thing" to Government Disclosure When It Comes to red herrings.

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Andy White
3/23/2017 10:57:43 am

Wait - what does this have to do with stone holes?

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At Risk
3/23/2017 11:21:12 am

We have more in common than you think, Andy. A few years ago, I restored and sold a '76 Trans Am. Great suspension. I had the dog 400 ripped out and had a crate 350 put in, with a mild cam. I also have a signed BB King guitar. I've been winnowing-down my prior obsession with LP's, which I couldn't afford as a young man drawing soldier's wages. LP's were about as easy for me to get into as stoneholes, but how does one reduce 3,000 LP's down to a reasonable number? What is the purpose of keeping several perfect copies of all The Grateful Dead's best albums, plus their side-trip albums?

Thank goodness I don't need to winnow-down stoneholes, Andy...they have been pretty much already winnowed-down. Some people understand this, and some won't see it. But, let's stay on subject here, okay? (I hope you don't feel threatened or frightened by anything I just said.) Peace, if possible.

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At Risk
3/23/2017 11:27:03 am

Jason, I think the two disparate elements you spoke of simply allows for more subject matter to befuddle readers with. It doesn't have to make sense.

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Shane Sullivan
3/23/2017 11:41:28 am

Professor Farnsworth: How do you people do it? How do you go on knowing there's nothing more to know?

Philip J. Fry: I watch TV. It's the next best thing to being alive.

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Only Me
3/23/2017 12:17:45 pm

Ah, so selling a product is the next best thing to revealing a forbidden truth. Got it.

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Clete
3/23/2017 01:09:46 pm

Another celebrity, who's movie and television career has ended, being signed to do something really stupid. The show sounds a lot like that crap Gene Simmons did a few years ago with his no talent family.

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E.P. Grondine
3/23/2017 02:23:54 pm

"It’s a clever strategy if you (a) want to sell a lot of product and (b) get around having to actually provide evidence for your most extreme claims."

That pretty much sums it up.

One problem comes when people can not tell the difference between science fiction and science.

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At Risk
3/23/2017 03:29:21 pm

Jason, I'm going to bow out for awhile, since the venom is strengthening. It's hard to keep up with and isn't doing anyone any good. Thanks for your extreme patience in all the nonsense that transpired here recently, for which I'll take my share of blame in creating. I think we both can see that it's pretty rough at times for the only perceived fringe person to comment and interact here on a Skeptic's blog. I don't blame you at all for the venom here...it comes with the territory when a perceived fringe person dares to enter, all alone, on a Skeptic's blog. I sincerely wish you well. Don't let the Giants of Old carry you away in your dreams....

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Joe Scales
3/23/2017 03:53:24 pm

Rob Lowe is actually pretty funny, and I'm hoping that it'll be a sort of satire of the fringe television world.

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Uncle Ron
3/23/2017 04:32:38 pm

"'. . . soon the U.S. government would announce the existence of planets that could harbor life. “Then they start announcing microbial life. And then they start announcing structures . . ."'

Only a complete and total ignorance of real science allows one to make this jump from A to B to C. The first part has already happened, with the emphasis on "could." The next two are a) out of chronological order in terms of a discovery timeline, and b) not even hypothetically possible at this time.

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Mandalore
3/23/2017 05:00:57 pm

And he's gone again, like a fever dream only half remembered. Until next time, Gunn/At Risk.

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Americanegro
3/23/2017 05:48:54 pm

"CLETE
3/23/2017 01:09:46 pm
Another celebrity, who's movie and television career has ended, being signed to do something really stupid. The show sounds a lot like that crap Gene Simmons did a few years ago with his no talent family."

Hard to see how his career has ended since he's been working steadily into this year and is richer than Croesus.

I'm generally in Rob Lowe's corner, but this show will suck. The key? "Sons". Gene Simmons at least had a hot daughter.

"AT RISK
3/23/2017 03:29:21 pm
Jason, I'm going to bow out for awhile, since the venom is strengthening. It's hard to keep up with and isn't doing anyone any good."

So we can look forward to hearing from you tomorrow, Demon?

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Shane Sullivan
3/23/2017 06:47:37 pm

"The next two are a) out of chronological order in terms of a discovery timeline, and b) not even hypothetically possible at this time."

They're out of order, but the structures *are* hypothetically possible, as will be confirmed as soon as NASA reveals their recent satellite photos of Yuggoth.

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A Buddhist
3/23/2017 07:36:52 pm

Americanegro: You said "I'm generally in Rob Lowe's corner, but this show will suck. The key? "Sons". Gene Simmons at least had a hot daughter."

You reveal yourself again as a disgrace to the American nation, casually assuming that the only reason that a TV show will succeed is if it has eyecandy for viewers who are attracted to women. What about other aspects of a good show, such as settings, gags, characterizations, etc.?


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A Buddhist
3/23/2017 07:41:37 pm

Jason:

Is it just me, or is it now difficult or impossible to nest comments replying in your blog posts?

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Jason Colavito link
3/23/2017 09:16:19 pm

For some reason the "Reply" function is broken. I do not know why, and republishing the site didn't fix it. I have a tech support request in to Weebly to see if we can get it fixed. Sorry about that!

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BigNick
3/23/2017 11:03:06 pm

"Share of the blame"
Really? Like 95% share. Jason I would like to apologize for asking him respectful, direct questions. I won't do it again.

Rob Lowe direct tv commercials were the best.

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Americanegro
3/24/2017 01:06:38 am

"You reveal yourself again as a disgrace to the American nation, casually assuming that the only reason that a TV show will succeed is if it has eyecandy for viewers who are attracted to women. What about other aspects of a good show, such as settings, gags, characterizations, etc.?"

Sorry the world doesn't work the way you want it to. It's like you're doubling down on Special. Seek thou thy safe space.

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Weatherwax
3/24/2017 12:30:27 pm

A Buddhist :"casually assuming that the only reason that a TV show will succeed is if it has eyecandy for viewers who are attracted to women. What about other aspects of a good show, such as settings, gags, characterizations, etc.?"

Depends on your definition of success. The most coveted audience in American television, for advertisers, is uneducated males 15-45. Approximately that age group, anyway. And that demographic wants T and A.

Really well done shows can, sometimes, pick up a core audience, But crap shows need eye candy, and even that may not be enough.

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Americanegro
3/24/2017 02:35:22 pm

"You reveal yourself again as a disgrace to the American nation, casually assuming that the only reason that a TV show will succeed is if it has eyecandy for viewers who are attracted to women."

You, Sir or Madam are just a sillybilly. Strong the wrong is with this one.

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