In comments on an earlier thread, EP asked a great question: Who invented the conspiracy theory popularized by Scott Wolter that Oreo cookies contain Templar-Freemason symbolism, particularly the so-called Cross of Lorraine. I will confess that when I first read the claim in Wolter’s Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers (2013), I assumed that it was of his own invention, and he gave no indication otherwise. I should have known better than to credit him with an original conspiracy theory. It turns out that the story had been published in Time magazine and The Atlantic in 2011, based on still earlier internet sources.
Here’s how the Atlantic put it:
The circle topped with a two-bar cross in which the word "OREO" resides is a variant of the Nabisco logo, and is either "an early European symbol for quality" (according to Nabisco's promotional materials) or a Cross of Lorraine, as carried by the Knights Templar into the Crusades. Continuing the Da Vinci Code theme, the Oreo's geometric pattern of a dot with four triangles radiating outward is either a schematic drawing of a four-leaf clover or—cue the cliffhanger music from Jaws—the cross pattée, also associated with the Knights Templar, as well as with the German military and today's Freemasons.
If we follow the Atlantic’s link back, we are taken to a 2009 article from Ariive Business Solutions speculating on the Freemason (and, of course Jewish Banker) origins of the Oreo, but again taking us to a still earlier internet claim:
Then again, a conspiracy theorist's interpretation of that cross is the "Pontifical Cross of Lucifer which is linked with Satanism and [apparently] possibly Freemasonry" which is possibly partly true. Another video I've seen says Oreo cookies are "illuminati cookies" and shows the symbols of the crosses and connects them to masonic ceremonies. Upon my understanding of the bankers that rule this world, this assertion is possibly quite correct, as the founder of Nabisco was said to be a member of a banking family connected to the Rothchild [sic] family.
This takes us back to a 2008 YouTube video that claims that the founders of Nabsico, the original parent of Oreo (Nabisco is now owned by another conglomerate), was founded by Freemasons because the Nabisco and Oreo logos contain a two-barred cross similar to one used by Freemasons (and the pope, etc., etc.). But then the trail peters out.
All of this, in turn, seems to emerge from discussions on the Above Top Secret message board dating back to 2004. On April 24, a poster writing under the handle Stations Creation wrote that “I noticed that the Nabisco (makers of Oreos and many other treats) logo has an uncanny resemblance to the symbol known as the Pontifical Cross of Lucifer which is linked with Satanism and apparently freemasonry.” You’ll note that these words are the same ones linked in the 2009 Ariive Business Solutions article. The Above Top Secret Discussion involved discussion of Templar symbolism adopted by the Freemasons.
My efforts to find any mention of Templar or Freemason symbolism in the Oreo prior to April 2004 tuned up nothing, except in disparaging references to African Americans on some conspiracy websites. It therefore seems likely that the Above Top Secret message board posting was the origin of the Oreo conspiracy theory. Even if someone else made the connection earlier, all of the online sources for the conspiracy ultimately trace back to sources that in turn link to this single message board posting.
If find this rather astonishing. In 2004, one single internet poster looked at an Oreo and thought that the well-known Nabisco logo on it resembled the Patriarchal Cross, and as a result, a conspiracy theory grew up around it, adding more and more detail with each iteration until it made the Atlantic and Time. (A high school AP physics class collected a list of all of the Oreo conspiracies that grew out of this as of 2013.) Over time, the Satanism connection dropped out, and the Freemason connection morphed into a Templar connection by dint of the transitive property of fringe studies whereby the Freemasons are assumed to be Templars due to a misunderstanding of eighteenth century propaganda (which originally linked the Masons with the Knights of St. John). Scott Wolter’s contribution was to refine a random internet posting to the highest levels of conspiracy by then linking the Templars to the Holy Bloodline of Jesus and claiming that the Double Stuf Oreo was a picture of the tomb of Jesus, a claim unique to him.
However, there is a caveat to this. The claims specifically for the Oreo cookie seem to date back only to 2004, but they emerge from much earlier paranoia about the National Biscuit Company (Nabsico), which originates in conservative Christian panic over Satanic symbolism during the Satanism scare of the 1980s and 1990s. In the 1990s, early internet message boards for Christians speculated that the double cross on the Nabisco logo (the one used as a design element in the Oreo, borrowed from Nabisco’s logo) symbolized Satan, due to is similarity to the alchemical symbol for sulfur, the devil’s element (Rev. 20:10), which is topped with a double cross. In the early 2000s we have a proto-Wolter claim that “Nabisco and Exxon also both utilize the Cross of Lorraine in their design....providing yet another indication that occultism (Luciferianism) is a religion/cult for the elite, the rich, the powerful.” Going back further, we can find that an article by Scott Thompson in Executive Intelligence Review in 1989 asserts that the founding family of Nabisco has been working to create a New World Order to bring about the rise of Satan. Somehow this involves Theosophy and gays.
In 1974, Caspar J. Werkman noted in Trademarks: Their Creation, Psychology, and Perception that the Nabisco trademark was a conscious resurrection of “mason’s marks, freemason’s marks, [and] printer’s marks.” It seems, though, that with the sale of Nabisco to Mondelēz International, conspiracy theorists relocated the conspiracy from the no-longer-powerful National Biscuit Company to its most visible symbol, the Oreo, the place where individuals are most likely to encounter the Nabisco logo.
I find it fascinating, though, that Wolter has taken an idea that emerged as a conservative Christian conspiracy theory about efforts to impose Satanism and has reimagined it as a New Age conspiracy theory to encode the “true” history of Jesus and mystical dualism. The two ideas are rather contradictory (though they share the assumption that, for opposing reasons, traditional Christianity is under siege), but it’s testimony to how a conspiracy, once proposed, can be adapted and adopted for any number of purposes. And there are very few original ideas on the fringe.
9/24/2014 04:06:12 am
They're not contradictory. They are both attacks on mainstream knowledge/science/history.
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9/24/2014 04:08:20 am
The Globus Cruciger is a similar symbol, and I am sure fringe historians cold have a lot of fun with it.
9/24/2014 04:26:34 am
*could*, not cold.
9/24/2014 06:03:41 am
There's another conspiracy theory that claims National Biscuit Company is in league with NBC and uses the double cross to symbolize TV antennas because the Freemasons want to control broadcasting. It's all rather silly, since Nabisco was founded long before there was radio, let alone TV.
9/24/2014 09:47:24 am
With his Oreo/Knights Templar theory, as nutty as it was (is), at least I could give Wolter credit for creative thinking. Foolish me....
9/24/2014 03:59:41 pm
"It's all rather silly, since Nabisco was founded long before there was radio, let alone TV."
6/1/2015 10:21:27 am
This link is, and has been the most thorough detailing of this conspiracy for a while, and deserves recognition as it predates most references contained is this post.
1/15/2017 05:55:51 pm
I think that the Nabisco Logo does represent a Globus Cruciger. I got this idea directly from Nabisco. Back in the 1960s they had an explanation of the symbol right on the box. It is a Christian Symbol. Back in those days you weren't losing much by saying that. I was only a kid, but I went away from my reading of the blurb on the box understanding that the Nabisco Orb was the same kind of thing held by the Infant of Prague, except in the case of a depiction of Christ holding the orb it is call a Salvator Mundi. Maybe somebody could look for one of those old Nabisco boxes. I am sure there are some out there. The box I red this on was from Ritz Crackers. I've never cared for Oreos--the lard and sugar mixture just turned me off.
9/24/2014 04:32:39 am
I still say Harlan Ellison's 1982 "The Great Hydrox/Oreo Cookie Conspiracy" had something to do with it. Because let's face it - random tinfoil hatters are probably more likely to have exposure to him than to Werkman's Trademarks.
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
9/24/2014 06:57:10 am
Quite possible. And although fringe writers have been borrowing ideas from fiction for a long time (Helena Blavatsky's appropriation of Vril is a prime example), the online paranoids have developed a ready-to-hand explanation for why their conspiracy theories can be true even though they're obviously borrowing from fictional works. That fiction is all part of the conditioning the Elites are subjecting us to! That explanation also gives the Elites a reason to be putting their symbolism in plain sight, and a justification for paranoid apopheniacs to see the symbolism in everything.
9/24/2014 07:17:09 am
Harlan Ellison's newspaper column in question isn't even fiction, really. It's something between an editorial and a piece of "creative nonfiction".
9/24/2014 04:57:22 am
This article provides some history on the logo which represented the unique packaging used to mass market crackers
9/24/2014 04:58:28 am
.. and if you rotate the lines in the "cross" a bit .. there it is ... a Hooked X!
9/24/2014 05:58:09 am
Has anyone tried overlaying the Nabisco TM on a map plotting stone holes around Runestone Hill?
9/24/2014 06:30:10 am
Definitely agree about the smoking part... :)
9/24/2014 06:30:50 am
Don't forget, by Nabisco's own admission the Oreo cookie can ward off vampires and even return them to an almost living state: http://youtu.be/nw3xD_xSw3g?t=30s
9/24/2014 06:31:54 am
I think it's clear that the circle in the logo represents the earth and the 'cross' is really representative as chemtrails left by inner-Earth UFOs as they enter and leave through the polar cap.
9/24/2014 01:20:38 pm
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
9/24/2014 06:35:28 am
It's like I've been saying for months. You need to pay more attention to the paranoid sector of the blogosphere to get the full measure of conspiracy culture. Of course, the work Jason specializes in—tracking fringe theories to their origins in obscure 19th-century speculation, and sometimes even to medieval and ancient texts—is a lot harder than what I do, casually poking around on conspiracy theory blogs. Nevertheless, you can't fully understand the agglomeration of bizarre claims going around today without seeing how they interact and recombine online. It's a faster process than it was in the late 20th century, where fringe books were still the main medium for such ideas to propagate.
9/24/2014 06:59:18 am
Its better than that. If you take a look at History and related channels where this stuff shows, a lot of the programming is aimed at a stereotype of working class men. Look at History in particular. Swamp loggers. Ice Truckers. Pawn Stars. Etc.. Between that, a lot of history-related shows about engineering, and the pseudoscience, much of the schedule easily appeals to an older male audience that doesn't like "elites" and authority figures. Think of how this compares with what say the BBC would do with a History Channel.
9/24/2014 07:25:27 am
Gentlemen, I'd strongly recommend to you both exploring the reception of Ezra Pound's ideas (both on the right and on the left), especially after WW2. (If you're not familiar with it already, that is.)
9/24/2014 02:12:03 pm
You could try a reality show on corporate jobs, product managers, programmers, sales, finance analysts...as someone who has spent most of my life in the corporate world the audience would be bored to death. Ice road truckers, cool, marketing analyst putting together a product plan? Boring! It's an escape to see people who live below zero nothing more. I like airplane repo myself
9/24/2014 07:02:07 am
These alternative historians are so sloppy.They are perfectly incapable of performing the most basic research.To cut a long story short,there is a deep confusion within the alternative history subculture,regarding who used what,and at what stage."Cross of Lorraine","croix patriarcale","croix d'Anjou" or "croix pattée".
9/24/2014 01:16:11 pm
9/24/2014 07:02:13 am
I love conspiracies that go well with milk!
The eighteenth century conflation of the Freemasons and Templars was not propaganda. It was initiated and sustained by freemasons themselves for the purpose of recruiting (and fleecing money). Also, not sure what you mean by "originally linked the Masons with the Knights of St. John." The Knights of Malta weren't involved in this speculation; they still existed and many a member belonged to the craft.
9/24/2014 08:05:44 am
I was actually referring to the Freemasons' own propaganda, particularly famous speech of Andrew Michael Ramsay, who linked the Masons to the Knights of St. John as the founders of the Masonic order. This claim, made in 1737, gave rise to the Templar connection claims when confusion arose between the Knights of St. John and the Templars, due to the absorption of ex-Templars into the Knights of St. John after 1314.
I'm very aware of his speech, the subsequent embellishments and scottish/templar rite/rituals to follow. I think it should be stressed, however, that the myths descended from masons and are only picked up by conspiracy theorists later because it comes from the horses mouth so to speak. The famous French Revolution interpretation being revenge of the Templars simply couldn't have been believed had it not been for the ubiquitous Templar play time by various masonic rites of the era forty+ years running (and the research output of the brethren on all aspects of the myth).
9/24/2014 09:21:33 am
Terry Melanson, refusing to accept that people would believe ridiculous things for no good reason whatsoever :)
I think it's an important point. I've studied enough conspiracies and traced enough of them back to realize that those about secret societies in particular are variously derived from writings and admissions of masons to begin with.
9/24/2014 09:40:32 am
Terry, are you familiar with the phenomenon of people "making things up"?
9/25/2014 09:29:25 am
Gunn, until the Larsson Papers, no expert believed the runic inscription on the KRS to be genuine, mostly due to an identified anachronism in the wording.
9/28/2014 09:41:52 am
I think I see. Maybe Gunn was saying a secret code variety of runes would not be "well known" to your average Swedish immigrants back home, no? Maybe only like freemasons. Because if the farmer, Mr. Olman did not have likely access to these secretive runes, maybe that makes it more likely that the runes later identified as "secret code" runes on the Larsson Papers (& on the KRS, like that Hooked-X) may point to the KRS being genuine to the fourteenth century. No? And also the Hooked-X. Maybe for some reason they are biased in Sweden, I don't know.
9/28/2014 11:46:23 am
The way I recall it, Gunn was mostly making a fool of himself bu accusing me of cyber bullying and threatening me and Jason with Internet Lawsuits... :)
9/30/2014 04:46:33 am
No, I don't thin so. I was seeing those words before all that deletion. Gunn said that about you, not Jason. Maybe suepena for your email from Jason, not sue Jason, to be fair for Gunn. Yeah, we have to watch you here, huh (?)
Even better like did y'all know the last full President of the
9/30/2014 03:21:37 pm
H. Gomez, not sure whether your problems are with your keyboard of with the English language, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
9/24/2014 08:26:37 am
I'd like to dedicate my Oreo inquiry to the greatest AP Physics class in history: Albion High 2013.
9/24/2014 08:56:51 am
At least the Oreo cookie conspiracy makes a kind of practical sense, particularly when wedded to the classic satanist meme.
There definitely are symbols within these videos that represent freemasonry and other more esoteric initiatic societies. It's intentional, and the makers are definitely trying to case in on the Illuminati meme cash cow. Most of the symbols are standard to western esotericism, and no wholly or exclusively the domain of freemasonry or satanism (eg the pentagram). The symbols used however are not of the long-defunct Illuminati. They abhorred occultism, and only a few symbols were genuinely used in the Order (Athena/Minerva and the owl the most prominent.)
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
9/24/2014 09:44:30 am
As to why the "researchers" think the conspiracy is putting its symbols everywhere, see my reply to EP near the top of the comments section. Regarding Terry's comment, it's possible these days that people in the music industry use such things to stir controversy—as countless outré pop stars have demonstrated, there's no such thing as bad publicity. But if they're doing it deliberately, I doubt they've been doing so for more than a few years, because it's taken a while for these fringe theories to really bubble up from their internet forums into the general consciousness. Weird Al Yankovic's "Foil", an obvious conspiracy-theory parody from only a couple months back, is the only music video I know of where these themes explicitly show up. In other words, even if such symbolism is deliberately inserted into music videos nowadays, the conspiracy theorists were seeing it in the music videos before it was actually there. Most of it is still explicable by apophenia (look it up).
9/24/2014 09:49:49 am
It was definitely a visible presence in African-American art since at least the 1980s. People often forget how batshit much of the Civil Rights movement really was and how much it has influenced African-American artists (and others as well).
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
9/24/2014 10:20:38 am
Which symbols specifically showed up in African-American art?
9/24/2014 10:34:04 am
Not just symbols, but, to use your own word, "themes". Spike Lee's early work has various generic NWO-ish symbolism. Some rappers (especially the ones from NYC) often name-drop a lot of this stuff.
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
9/24/2014 10:42:43 am
Never seen those guys, because I've never been to NYC. But anyway, is their conspiracy theorizing outgrowth of the belief that whites are out to get them?
9/24/2014 10:47:42 am
Basically anyone whose work prominently features various Afrocentrist or Black Muslim themes is quite likely to refer or allude to Freemasons/Illuminati/NWO (anti-Semitism optional). Most of the time it's negative, but occasionally Masonic and related esoteric paraphernalia are adopted (hence the talk of Egyptian Rite of Freemasonry, etc. etc.).
9/24/2014 10:53:58 am
It is outgrowth of oppression and segregation. Afrocentrism's positive, inspirational roots (du Bois, etc.), combined with the militancy of the Civil Rights era, with Nation of Islam cultishness and a whole bunch of New Age stuff added to the mix. It is really pandemic (especially in the East and the South), and the creepy racism of the worst versions of this movement easily matches the worst excesses of the White Power fringe.
9/24/2014 10:57:03 am
While their influence is by no means restricted to what is typically considered "hip hop culture", if you go to RapGenius and look through the comments on some of the mentioned artists' lyrics, you'll see what I mean...
9/24/2014 11:00:22 am
This is sadly representative:
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
9/24/2014 11:04:53 am
I suspected it was something like that. The theme of oppressive elites in the beliefs of the Five-Percent Nation certainly fits in with the frequent themes of today's conspiracy theory, and I suspect the Five Percenters influenced the Nuwaubian Nation. Certainly they grew from the same New York Black Muslim milieu.
9/24/2014 11:13:09 am
It's no easy task to think of things that *didn't* influence Nuwaubian Nation...
9/24/2014 11:20:34 am
...and if you watch this short video, you'll see for yourself :)
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
9/24/2014 11:27:52 am
The Chinese School of Names seems a good bet. Joking aside, the Five-Percent Nation's esoteric tendencies and sort-of-deification of black people seems like an especially close match with some of the most important Nuwaubian beliefs, insofar as one can establish what those are.
9/24/2014 11:39:20 am
As the guy in the first video I linked put it, google this stuff and you'll be reading for years. Not hours, not days, years.
The Other J.
9/24/2014 04:36:50 pm
Don't forget Sun Ra. He laid out a kind of blueprint for using esoteric visual symbolism in performances (pre-MTV). Particularly Egyptian symbolism.
9/24/2014 04:42:54 pm
And even eariler than that there already was George Clinton and the amazing technicolor pyramids and motherships.
9/24/2014 04:44:22 pm
Wait, I had Sun Ra confused with someone else. He's WAY old-school.
9/24/2014 06:49:36 pm
Holy mackerel, how have I never heard of Sun Ra?
9/25/2014 04:45:44 am
Turns out Sun Ra was also a freakin' Contactee!
9/25/2014 06:35:16 am
I read about the Saturn thing last night, among other things.
9/25/2014 06:47:45 am
The whole "Black Conscious" African-American fringe is basically the Bizarro Aryan Nations.
9/28/2014 04:45:16 am
+1 on EP's comment & link to the kooky UFO delusions in the Afrocentrist extreme. Just check out Dr. Delbert Blair or anything from Brooklyn's "King Simon Productions" or Bobby Hemmitt. Leaches out into anti-vax stuff and how Obama is actually a Jewish plant.
9/28/2014 05:13:29 am
"Obama is actually a Jewish plant."
From the days of 'Acid Rock' and early 'Heavy Metal', it was thought that if you play their records backwards, that you would get all kinds of 'satanic' or other worldly messages. Of course it helped if you had a certain mindset, or were using controlled substances. After all the 'spirit' was in the message.
9/24/2014 09:45:22 am
Does anyone else recall Proctor & Gamble being pressured to change their logo (the faced crescent moon and stars) not long ago after a pack of uber-Christian nuts claimed it was a front for Satanism?
Not the Comte de Saint Germain
9/24/2014 10:50:30 am
That's probably the best-known instance of the phenomenon Jason refers to. In the 1980s, that ilk started accusing corporations of using Satanic symbolism, broadening their scope beyond the rock music and counterculture they'd already been complaining about for years. According to Jason the Oreo allegations emerged online in the 1990s, almost certainly inspired by the Procter & Gamble noise.
9/24/2014 11:02:19 am
The cookies came long before radio and TV but not before those Freemasons. Pesky Freemasons...
9/24/2014 11:12:25 am
I was just looking into this Nabisco thing and it seems that RG Reynolds and Phillip Morris own them, and they ran the cigarette campaigns of the last 70 years or more. That's the conspiracy. The tobacco companies own the cereal and cookie companies too. Maybe it is the Illuminati after all, since they light smokes. Cigarettes are called cancer sticks. Maybe they can make tobacco flavored cookies and sell them to kids. Insidious! Maybe the Christan right were right, but for the wrong thing. It wasn't the symbolism, it was the tobacco companies owning everything. Aha! Joe Camel used to teach us smoking was cool. Now he sells oreo cookies! Next time on America Unearthed, is the history of Nabisco wrong? Ha hah....smoke up kid. Cough. Marlboro...Winston teastes good but so does cookie dough, aha!
9/24/2014 01:32:58 pm
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And I thought the baby Ruth candy bar was named for the Yankee, now I'm told I was wrong...
9/25/2014 12:09:24 am
This appears to be the first use of the cross by Nabisco, before the logo:
9/25/2014 09:32:52 am
Awesome find, Gary. Thanks!
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"It’s testimony to how a conspiracy, once proposed, can be adapted and adopted for any number of purposes. And there are very few original ideas on the fringe."
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The only reason I looked Oreos & freemasonry connection has nothing to do with symbols. Just watching their tv ads here in UK I found something very disturbing in the music & the imagery used, 100% a satanic company I have no doubts about this, if you was to watch some of their ads for 10mins would probably suffer mental breakdown or other such mental distortions.
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