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Travel Channel Releases Episode Descriptions for Revived "America Unearthed"

5/3/2019

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​Graham Hancock’s America Before entered the New York Times hardcover nonfiction bestseller list this week at #6. Hancock took to Twitter to congratulate Joe Rogan for driving sales with his three-hour interview of Hancock last week, and he said that the success of the book was a rejoinder to the “mainstream” who preferred to see the book “ignored.” Hancock’s America Before is one of the rare archaeology-theme titles to make the Times’s list, and it is the first book by a major fringe history writer to have cracked the top ten that I can remember seeing in several years.
​As though we didn’t have enough evidence that the media are in the throes of a fringe history revival, the Travel Channel released episode descriptions for the first batch of new episodes of America Unearthed, which will debut at the end of the month. It’s a mixed bag, but there is some good news. The topics, while still more Eurocentric than not, have decidedly fewer Templar conspiracy theories than the three seasons that aired on the H2 channel, and the topics seem designed to steer more toward mainstream topics than the esoteric. The bad news, of course, is that host Scott Wolter will be investigating bullshit claims that have already been debunked many times before.
 
I’ll give you the descriptions straight from Discovery Communications’ press release:
In the premiere episode, “Vikings in the Desert,” premiering Tuesday, May 28 at 10 p.m. ET/PT, Wolter receives a call about alleged Viking artifacts found in the Arizona desert. Using state-of-the-art XRF (X-ray fluorescence) identification technology and insight from a Viking historian, Wolter starts his search in the southwestern desert. From there, new leads take him to California to excavate a supposed buried Viking ship that might have once sailed America’s vast inland sea and to Mexico to examine a petroglyph depicting what could be Viking travelers. The episode produces some unexpected results and opens the door to further expeditions into where the Vikings went and why.
 
“Alien Artifacts” – Premieres Tuesday, June 4 at 10 p.m. ET/PT
Scott Wolter receives artifacts unearthed in central Mexico and is intrigued by the scenes they depict: Mesoamerican people worshipping what can only be described as aliens. After learning they’re over 9,000 years old, Wolter heads to Veracruz, Mexico, to investigate for himself. The hunt leads him into caves with strange inscriptions hinting that an unknown ancient society may have had contact with alien life.
 
“Cave of Secrets” – Premieres Tuesday, June 11 at 10 p.m. ET/PT
Scott Wolter visits a mysterious cave in rural Pennsylvania that made headlines when it was first discovered in the 1980s for reportedly having cultural connections to pre-revolutionary America. Wolter’s investigation leads to the discovery of a strange artifact that may be the remnants of a fraternal society that used the cave for rituals. During his search, he interviews local historians and members of the community, discovering that throughout time, the cave may have been home to some of America’s most important historical events as well.
 
“The Ripper Unmasked” – Premieres Tuesday, June 18 at 10 p.m. ET/PT
The identity of Jack the Ripper has captivated the world for over 100 years. What we know about the infamous killer is that he brutally murdered women with medical precision, wrote taunting letters to the authorities and was able to evade capture. However, shocking new evidence of a potential Freemasonic connection, as well as extensive medical research into a 19th century disease, proves pivotal, launching Scott Wolter on an epic hunt. Wolter wants to prove whether or not Jack the Ripper was actually a famous writer who is still beloved today.
​Ugh.
 
Those with sharp memories will remember that the “Viking ship” in the desert claim appeared in Newsweek in 2017 when the magazine profiled a man described as a working class white man (the article emphasized the racial aspect of fringe history) having a “grievance” against mainstream archaeologists for refusing to believe that a Viking ship is buried in the desert. As I wrote at the time, “According to a guidebook produced by the U.S. government before World War II, the legend of the desert boat was inspired by a real abandoned vessel, built in 1862 for a Colorado river mining company and abandoned in the desert when the cost of transporting it to the Colorado River was too great. Not coincidentally, sightings of the ‘Spanish’ or ‘Viking’ ship began shortly after, in the 1870s.”
 
The episode on aliens seems to be the one per season episode devoted to debunking an obviously false claim to bolster Wolter’s alleged credibility as a straight-shooter.
 
The other two topics don’t interest me at all. Unless Jack the Ripper turns out to be a Templar murdering claimants to the Holy Bloodline’s Magdalene Throne, this seems like another waste of time. Off the top of my head, I’m not sure what Pennsylvania cave is being referred to, but I assume that someone reading this will know. The colonial era isn’t all that exciting for me, so this looks like another snooze, even if it descends into Masonic conspiracies.
 
So we now know the topics for these four episodes plus the Haymarket Riot episode, which total half of the ten-episode season. To judge from these episodes, it looks like the new season is steering away from the paranoid conspiracies of the H2 run toward a more general-interest speculative history closer to the Discovery Communications family of networks’ other documentary and pseudo-documentary series. I’m sure, though, that they’ll find a way to get Templar bloodlines into the show somehow.
127 Comments
Doc Rock
5/3/2019 10:06:57 am

I can't help but think that a lot of Hancock's frustration with the lack of acceptance from real scholars is genuine rather than contrived to generate outrage among his supporters.

It must be quite maddening to be smart enough to produce a best selling book but dim enough to fail to understand why scholars take it about as seriously as a best selling biography produced by a cast member of the reality show Jersey Shore.

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Accumulated Wisdom
5/3/2019 10:10:17 am

"Off the top of my head, I’m not sure what Pennsylvania cave is being referred to, but I assume that someone reading this will know."


Sounds like he finally got permission from the logging company. Artifact will likely be the baptismal spring shown in the previous episode.


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Accumulated Wisdom
5/4/2019 12:01:20 am

Please, allow me to revise my statement.

In the immortal words of "Macho Man" Randy Savage.

"Ooooooh! Let me predict the future for you!"

This airs on the Travel Channel...YEAH!

Someone at logging company got a money making idea...YEAH!

Charge BIG BUCKS to view Solstice...YEAH!

Sell spring water for $20-25 in an 8ounce bottle...Oooooooh YEAH!!!

Be sure to check out the newly built Visitors Center....Buy a t-shirt, coffee mug, bumper sticker, keychain, bottled spring water, snowglobe, or anything else with a logo.

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Dr. Love Strange
5/4/2019 12:24:38 am

The term has been used before:

Nonsense.

Robert Girard link
5/14/2019 10:20:55 am

Knowing Scott Wolter's proclivities, he is undoubtedly going to tell the story of Johannes Kelpius, the 16th century occultist who lived in a cave near current day Germantown, Pa.
Kelpius is credited with discovering the Philosopher's Stone. He was also a Rosicrucian and is credited with starting the first Rosicrucian AMORC colony in America in 1649.
It won't be long before the trail leads him to discover the Moravians, the occult branch, and their heirs, The Hidden Seed, among the Moravian Band of the Delaware Indians.
Right up his alley, don't you think?

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Jim
5/14/2019 01:04:16 pm

Robert :
Shush now, don't give Wolter any Ideas. Lol

I came across this:

" Cave of Secrets

Scott Wolter travels to Shippensburg, Pennsylvania, to check out a mysterious cave that may have been a stop on the Underground Railroad."

https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/america-unearthed/episodes

http://gardnerlibrary.org/journal/history-and-geology-shippensburg-area-caves

Accumulated Wisdom
5/14/2019 01:43:56 pm

My lame joke notwithstanding, IF, the logging company has given him permission to film, someone has chosen to turn the cave into a tourist trap. It's on the Travel Channel after all. I have always been told, "Always follow the money".

Joe Scales
5/3/2019 10:17:53 am

"... I’m not sure what Pennsylvania cave is being referred to, but I assume that someone reading this will know."

The springhouse episode. Apparently, he believes George Washington ritual bathed there...

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Washing-ton
5/3/2019 11:12:04 am

George believed in the geometry of reason and logic that is way over the head of Scott Wolter

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Jim
5/3/2019 10:31:20 am

Wolter also filmed in the Wemyss Caves, so I would expect at least one episode on Muir's fake Henry Sinclair Journals.

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Accumulated Wisdom
5/3/2019 11:32:03 am

Jim,

I think you've pegged the second half of the season. I would expect a little bit of Ruh's hubcap too.

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B L
5/3/2019 12:12:39 pm

Gotta say, I love the Scott Wolter critiques on this blog moreso than those of other fringe authors or ideas. There's just something about Wolter that I find very funny. And, despite his narcissism, he's completely defenseless because he's just not that clever.

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Angel & Demon
5/3/2019 12:27:00 pm

Scott Wolter was the winner of the "Real Robert Langdon" contest set by the History Channel long ago

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Copperhead
5/3/2019 01:04:46 pm

It is even more amusing when he is shown to be not so clever in the comments section on his own blog. The lad doesnt seem to have a grasp of the concept of being damned by faint praise either. That is, when he is even willing to post submitted comments.

It is quite telling that "skeptics" either moderate their blogs lightly or not at all, while fringe writers are infamous for refusing to post critical comments, delete critical comments, or block posters who make critical comments then back them up.

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Scott Hamilton
5/3/2019 12:27:42 pm

I have some interest in Jack the Ripper, so I’m wondering who they’re fingering. The most obvious “beloved” author of the time is Lewis Carrol, who was once accused of the Ripper crimes based on ridiculous anagrams. I have no idea if he was a Freemason, or what diseases could do with it.

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Ripper crimes
5/3/2019 12:29:44 pm

Newspaper invention (Chris Frayling)
The murders were probably committed by different people

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Scott Hamilton
5/3/2019 12:51:02 pm

“Probably”? Like five different people? No, not probably. Serial killers exist, and most of the series in the fall of 1888 was clearly one killer, escalating. (Copycats don’t escalate.) I would certainly grant that the “canonical five” is a bad construct and using modern criminology should lead us to eliminate Elizabeth Stride as the victim of the same person as the rest, but no, Jack the Ripper is not wholly a newspaper invention. There was someone killing women at night at that time, and that person killed ~5 people.

RIPPER CRIMES
5/3/2019 01:09:48 pm

You can't prove that and there's no forensic evidence. There is evidence that the newspapers, who invented the name "Jack the Ripper", circulations escalated when the murders were attributed to one person

RIPPER CRIMES
5/3/2019 02:24:54 pm

"Shadow of the Ripper", written & presented by Christopher Grayling, produced by John Triffitt. Centenary documentary on Jack the Ripper, 1988 (Timewatch, BBC 2)

Errata
5/3/2019 02:39:54 pm

Christopher Frayling
Not Christopher Grayling

RIPPER MURDERS
5/3/2019 03:22:08 pm

The "Dear Boss" letter signed "Jack the Ripper" dated 25 September was most likely written by journalist Frederick Best, referred to in a press shareholders 1890 letter by John J. Brunner, M.P. (Revealed: Jack the Ripper Tabloid Killer, produced & directed by Nikki Stoker, Channel Five, 2009)

Jim
5/3/2019 01:08:53 pm

I'm looking forward to the Jack the Ripper episode, should be hilarious.
Conspiracies abound:

Winston Churchill's father (Freemason) as Jack !! LOL

"Churchill was not only the 'brains' behind the entire operation,
but he was also personally responsible for the cutting of Masonic emblems and symbols into the bodies of the victims, whilst William Gull's surgeon's hands performed the organ removals."

https://www.henrymakow.com/jacktheripperwas.html

https://thejacktherippertour.com/blog/ripper-suspects-masonic-conspiracy/

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/oct/03/they-all-love-jack-busting-ripper-bruce-robinson-review-withnail-i

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper:_The_Final_Solution

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Accumulated Wisdom
5/3/2019 01:37:44 pm

Patricia Cornwell had an interesting theory. Unfortunately, I no longer own the book. From what I recall, her best evidence was a watermark on paper used by both the Ripper, and artist Walter Sickert. I fully expect a rehashing of these ideas.

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Doc Rock
5/3/2019 04:28:29 pm

I've got the book. Would have been better if it wasn't so glaringly apparent that she was trying too hard to fit things together.

Cromwell Crap
5/4/2019 04:06:20 am

Ripperologists dismissed Walter Sickert long before Patricia Cromwell wrote her book - read the literature, especially by Paul Begg.

What's amazing is that the BBC devoted a documentary to Patricia Cromwell's book (without inviting any expert Ripperologists to rip up her theory).

Corny Cornwell
5/4/2019 07:01:20 am

It's only because she's a crime novelist, she was no great expert on Jack the Ripper - she was no real-life sleuth.

Cornwell claimed a breakthrough: a letter written by someone purporting to be the killer, had the same watermark as some of Sickert's writing paper. Ripper experts noted, however, that there were hundreds of letters from different authors falsely claiming to be the killer, and the watermark in question was on a brand of stationery that was widely available

Cornwell documentary
5/4/2019 07:07:17 am

Here's the BBC Cornwell documentary
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0395597/

No experts on Jack the Ripper were invited to participate.

Accumulated Wisdom
5/4/2019 11:15:56 am

@Doc Rock-

"...so glaringly apparent that she was trying too hard to fit things together."

I fully agree. Part of the reason, I sold the book in the first place.


@Cornholio-

Thanks for teaching me a new word.
"Ripperologist"...Does this mean you're a Geinecologist?

Tudlaw
5/5/2019 09:05:24 pm

Things like this just astound me. Nonetheless, welcome Rita.

Rita Whitfield link
5/5/2019 07:31:26 pm

There is a book by author Patricia Cornwall, who is author of mainly forensic murder mysteries. She believes a famous author/poet/artist (I cant remember) of the era could have been Jack the Ripper. Maybe this is going off her research.

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Jim
5/5/2019 10:19:32 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_a_Killer:_Jack_the_Ripper%E2%80%94Case_Closed

https://books.google.ca/books?id=C3TUKNroaYkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Portrait+of+a+Killer:+Jack+the+Ripper%E2%80%94Case+Closed&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjTsM6g64XiAhVB0KwKHY43Bv4Q6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=Portrait%20of%20a%20Killer%3A%20Jack%20the%20Ripper%E2%80%94Case%20Closed&f=false

Campblor
5/3/2019 07:54:59 pm

I don't care what anyone says, this is the funniest show on TV

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Jim
5/4/2019 02:40:43 am

Breaking News:

Scott Wolter is now officially an inventor.

"The show follows the adventures of forensic geologist, inventor and television personality, Scott Wolter. "

https://1428elm.com/2019/05/03/travel-channel-america-unearthed/

Someone give the man a coffee with whipped cream !
Apparently making up a new word qualifies as being an inventor.
What a bozo.

" He is known for being the creator of Archaeopetography which is defined as “a process used to date and understand the origins of inscribed stone artifacts.”

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harry
5/6/2019 05:20:09 am

Eh.....so easy to condemn someone who is out there actually doing legwork to try and make historical connections that they themselves are unable to make. I commend Scott Wolter for his work and I dont find him at all the "bozo" here

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Jim
5/6/2019 10:15:24 am

"so easy to condemn someone who is out there actually doing legwork to try and make historical connections that they themselves are unable to make."

If by "doing legwork" you mean making crap up you would be correct.
We have 800 years of historical documentation and research done by competent historians on the Templars, backed up by voluminous amounts of actual documents from that time period.
Wolter would have you believe all this is all illegitimate and part of a massive conspiracy perpetuated by:
-The Pope and the Catholic Church
-Academia, each and every University in the world
-The governments of every nation in the world
-All qualified historians, archaeologists etc. worldwide.
-Every competent Norse historian in the world.

Wolter claims the entire World is wrong and he is right.
And his evidence ?
None,,,made up crap on a cracker BS, with no supporting documentation at all, none, zero.

" to try and make historical connections that they themselves are unable to make."

No one on the entire planet is able to make to make these nonsensical historical connections but for our Scotty, and all this without a shred of real evidence.

Jim
5/6/2019 01:22:17 pm

Scott "Believes Anything" Wolter doing his legwork:

https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/america-unearthed/articles/america-unearthed-scott-wolter-tips

Tudlaw
5/6/2019 03:26:58 pm

Don't forget he spent five years not learning Swedish for his KRS research.

Doc Rock
5/7/2019 05:18:14 am

By legwork he probably means going to various sites for photo ops and collecting sound bites from anyone who will tell him what he wants to hear.

Would be kind of freaky if he and Megan fox showed up at the same place at the same time. Now that would be quality entertainment.

Doc Rock
5/7/2019 05:38:09 am

I can just see it. Wolter and fox staring at a cave painting of an Indian woman scraping a beaver pelt:

Fox presses her cheek against the painting and purrs, "I can just feel the spiritual energy vibrating thru this sacred place" (in the distance a train whistle blows).

Wolter slaps his thigh and yells, "Minoan! It has to be Minoan! And that's an oxhide copper ingot!!!

Jim
5/7/2019 10:42:13 am

Blue eyed Templar Minoans !

Joe Scales
5/7/2019 12:17:09 pm

"... that they themselves are unable to make. "

You're correct there, you imbecile; though not in the sense you might have considered.

Riley V.
5/4/2019 07:04:39 am

America’s inland sea? Wasn’t that the flooded Mississippi River and the Flooded east side of the Rockies?
He can’t be saying Vikings were exploring America by the inland sea 70 million years ago. Sharks? Probably. Dolphins? Maybe, but not likely. Vikings?

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Causticacrostic
5/4/2019 08:11:21 am

Tyrannosaurs were the first Viking Freemasons.

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Jim
5/4/2019 10:11:08 am

Templar Vikings ate the Cerutti Mastodon.

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Doc Rock
5/4/2019 09:12:20 pm

They were unusually tidy as usual. Their knives left no cut marks on the bones. They didn't leave a single item of trash after the picnic either. One of the brothers Egbert choked to death on some gristle, but they buried him deeper than those lazy archaeologists are willing to dig. True story.

Paul
5/4/2019 11:15:26 am

Wolters trick of speaking from his mouth and talking out of his arse simultaneously provides four times the entertainment. The channel that he is on should provide 6 hours of real science and history programming to undo the damage that Scottie does in 1.

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Jim
5/4/2019 12:10:38 pm

Blog Post about Wolter:

https://whatsuparchaeology.com/2019/04/27/open-mindedness-and-skepticism/

" Arguments like this have been used for centuries to strip Native American tribes of their land. Whether he used the term “pure blood” out of ignorance or malice, he has a platform from which to spread information and is seen as authority, regardless of his actual professional credentials. Presenting theories like this as fact is irresponsible at best."

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Doc Rock
5/7/2019 05:53:27 am

That was an odd exchange. Wolter says the mandans are extinct because of a mid-19th century epidemic and when told otherwise responds that they are agrarian and not full-blooded. I think he was implying that this rules them out for generic testing. Overlooking that because of intermarriage with other tribes and whites it would have been hard to identify "full blooded" mandans even before the epidemic.

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Tudlaw
5/7/2019 09:10:41 pm

Wolter's concern about "full-bloodedness" collides with his myth that the Templars interbred with Indians in the 1300s. But he still sounds like a Nazi.

Jim
5/7/2019 11:12:14 am

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2018/12/a-qualified-geologists-peer-review-of.html#comment-form

New comments from Wolters blog concerning peer review:

Robert:
...this isn't how peer review works.

Wolter:
"Robert,
This is how it works in the professional world. You don't need to explain how the academic world does it as I've seen it fail time and time again."

Robert:
Scott,
This isn't how it works in the professional world. I'm in the field. It definitely doesn't work by seeking those who will validate opinions.
"Hey buddy, will you write a guest post for my blog telling people how I'm right?"

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Joe Scales
5/7/2019 12:20:48 pm

Perhaps someone could write to this reviewer, and have him come here to answer the concerns of Harold in regard to Wolter's nonsensical, and very unscientific findings, as well as his faulty methodology and abuse of logic.

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Raparee
5/9/2019 09:59:48 am

To quote a great man: "Scott Wolter is an idiot."

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Jim
5/9/2019 09:38:52 am

Gitty up

"(Article in Swedish) Recently, hundreds of runes were found in a building a few miles from the birthplace of Olof Öhman. They were identical with the ones on the Kensington stone -- and definitely 19th century."

https://www.facebook.com/groups/287262734058/permalink/10157313805884059/

https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=406&artikel=7212654&fbclid=IwAR3V7eYCkTrq5pkWGHoLVcgJiVMeh_Qr5B431grdolo-USOkoH-niMZzCP8

http://www.k-blogg.se/tag/ersk-matsgarden/?fbclid=IwAR0wq2gC25AwQ90c4QEamTR4pqm3OpcUsLy-jjbdmg-RMdibenL7CqA_gBw

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Jim
5/9/2019 10:12:22 am

Using google translate:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.k-blogg.se%2Ftag%2Fersk-matsgarden%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0wq2gC25AwQ90c4QEamTR4pqm3OpcUsLy-jjbdmg-RMdibenL7CqA_gBw

" That the rune has this form shows that the runes in Hassela cannot be taken from any newspaper article about the Kensington stone, because this stone has a n- rune of the usual type. The rune for u - where the shape varies somewhat in all previously known occurrences of this rune alphabet - is, however, identical in Hassela and in Kensington!"

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Joe Scales
5/9/2019 10:38:28 am

You know what this must mean Jim.
Ohman was a TEMPLAR!

Jim
5/9/2019 11:12:32 am

I heard that the KRS was a copy of a copy of the 90 foot stone that was a copy of a land claim found by La Vérendrye in Alberta.

Patrick Shekleton
5/9/2019 01:47:04 pm

Blog post on the "discovery" was debunked. See Kensington Rune Stone International Supporters Facebook page for post and comments.

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Jim
5/9/2019 03:32:41 pm

No it wasn't debunked !

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Patrick Shekleton
5/9/2019 04:43:24 pm

Technically, you're correct. Speculation isn't fact, so debunking is actually too gracious of a word to use. There is no established provenance of when the rune forms were drawn onto the wall...looks to be with crayon and a pencil. The staple gun staple in the wood is a tell, Paul Edwards called that one right. The 5mil equated to what, 80 kilometers? Hardly the same neighborhood as where Ohman once lived. No established connection that Ohman was at that farm - ever. Again, we are presented with "secret" tradesmen runes as the story. Just as in the case of the wooden fraternity paddle, which has no diagnostically established date assigned to it, we are supposed to uncritically accept that the mere presence of runic letters - not an inscription - is evidence that these were drawn on the wall prior to 1898. That hasn't been established, nor can it be established. Kallstrom came nowhere close to establishing it. The bigger point is that you and your buddy on this blog automatically praise anything that remotely suggests a modern-era provenance for the KRS. Case in point - this recent BLOG post from Kallstrom. You uncritically swallow...hook, line, and sinker... the speculation that the runic scholar, Kallstrom, serves up.

Jim
5/9/2019 06:05:55 pm

" There is no established provenance of when the rune forms were drawn onto the wall...looks to be with crayon and a pencil."

Well we do know for sure and for certain that they were made somewhere from the late nineteenth onward.
Can you give us any example of the Kensington runes being used around 1362 ????
I thought not.

"The staple gun staple in the wood is a tell, Paul Edwards called that one right."

The staple is a giant nothing burger, it is absolutely meaningless in this context. Get your head out of your strawman derriere. Or better yet, explain to us what point you are trying to make with this "staple" comment. Go ahead we are waiting.

"The 5mil equated to what, 80 kilometers? Hardly the same neighborhood as where Ohman once lived. No established connection that Ohman was at that farm - ever."

So freaking what ? This is another in a growing number of examples this runic alphabet being in use in the late nineteenth century in Sweden and in proximity of Ohman and his cohorts.
We now have this new example.
We have the rune alphabets that the brothers Larsson from Dala-Floda have left behind.
We have the wooden bat or stick with these runes on it.
NONE OF THESE DATE FROM THE FAKE DATE ON THE KRS !
Can you give us any example of the Kensington runes being used around 1362 ????
I thought not.

"we are supposed to uncritically accept that the mere presence of runic letters - not an inscription - is evidence that these were drawn on the wall prior to 1898."

No one said that these were drawn prior to 1898.
Not surprisingly, you are completely missing the point.
Big ol' jumbo jet went right over your head and you didn't even notice.
Can you give us any example of the Kensington runes being used around 1362 ????
I thought not.

Jim
5/9/2019 06:39:49 pm

" Case in point - this recent BLOG post from Kallstrom. You uncritically swallow...hook, line, and sinker... the speculation that the runic scholar, Kallstrom, serves up."

Ya, what a travesty, people give more credence to highly regarded runic scholars such as Mr. Kallstrom , Henrik Williams and Runo Löfvendahl's than they do to your hero Scott Wolter, who does not speak a word of Swedish and is, puting it nicely, not truthful.

Kent
5/9/2019 08:23:03 pm

Patrick, I'm sorry to say that like Scott Wolter and Anthony Warren you may be an idiot. When was the wall built? That's T 0 for dating purposes. The wooden "fraternity paddle" (your words) is certainly susceptible to carbon dating and in fact such dating has been done, establishing a floor for its age.

Joe Scales
5/9/2019 08:31:59 pm

Patrick, you imbecile.
That's all. You imbecile.

Jim
5/9/2019 08:42:48 pm

Here is a kicker for you Kent.
Patrick debunks his own error where he mistakes a smudge on an old map for the Newport Tower.
Imagine that,,, Patrick mistaking an artifact on a image for a building !
I can only think of Patrick making that error twice in the last little while. Oh well, as they say the third time is the charm.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Phippsburg-History-Center-114338978642314/posts/?ref=page_internal

Patrick Shekleton
5/9/2019 09:29:32 pm

Mansta Yoke (1907); runes shown to be copied from newspaper article about KRS (Nielsen & Wolter 2006). Still asserted to be evidence for basis of KRS runes. Wrong.

Larrson Rune Row (LRR) (1883/1885). Homework assignment. No established basis for runic glyphs, the “secret” trade guild runes is nothing but speculation. Interesting, but other than anecdotal stories and a speculated connection to the LRR, there is no solid evidence. The LRR is still asserted to be evidence for basis of KRS runes despite 8 of 22 (36%) runic glyphs not matching the KRS glyphs.

Comparison of Mansta Yoke to Larrson Rune Row glyphs: 11 characters do not match, 1 character is a partial match, 3 characters match. This is a 27% correlation (best case). So…which is the model for the KRS? The Mansta Yoke or the Larsson Rune Row? Kallstrom can’t discern any difference, so he keeps writing about both of them as if they both support his modern era contention for the KRS.

There’s no provenanced date for the fraternity paddle. That doesn’t stop Kallstrom from presenting it as “evidence” to support his modern era theory.

The “latest” rune find – which really should be termed the latest “trotted” out non-provenanced case since there was a report on them stemming from 1982. Kallstrom writes: “They are written with two different pens in the ceiling of the boy's chamber.” In one of the pictures you can see the crossed out drawing adjacent to the runes.”

Kallstrom admits he doesn’t know the date the runic characters were penned onto the wood: “How old the runes in the Ersk-Matsgården are I do not know, but this farm was not established until the end of the 18th century. In the roof of the dungeon chamber there should also be years such as 1868 and 1882.” He then continues: “How these relate to the runes remains to be investigated, but it seems reasonable that even the runic inscriptions belong to the latter half of the 19th century.” Speculation.

Kallstrom then discusses the undated/unprovenanced -n rune of the Hasselarunorna (H) matching the -n rune in the LRR. This rune is provenanced to the 1544 Magnus rune row. It also doesn’t match the KRS -n rune, which used the very typical, and a much older -n rune form.

The -o rune of the H and LRR is different from the KRS. Since Kallstrom and the other Swedish runologists assert, now, that the H and LRR are the basis for the KRS, then how many character mismatches must there be until the “match” is no longer a valid argument? That would be an objective metric for the runologists to establish, but they haven’t and they won’t. All you proponents of the scientific method on this blog…that should be a bit troubling in and of itself. Yet, you say nothing.

The next paragraph, the one discussing Olof Ohman, is nothing but speculative bullshit. Pure speculation. That’s your “highly regarded runic scholar.”

The we get to the kicker…where Kallstrom lays this out about the KRS runes…”They should, of course, be regarded as a partly newly created variant, which builds the rune traditions that have existed in different places in the Nordic countries in recent times.”

A bit disingenuous on Kallstrom’s part. A more scholarly approach would be to point out that variation in rune forms is the hallmark of runic glyphs for over 1000 years. Multiple runic alphabets containing variant forms litter the medieval manuscript corpus. Latin and Greek character forms, in whole or hybridized, found their way into runic glyph forms. Kallstrom states that the variability of rune forms on the KRS stem from the 1554/1555 Magnus runic alphabet, yet provides no details on the definition.

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Joe Scales
5/10/2019 09:38:43 am

"Larrson Rune Row (LRR) (1883/1885). Homework assignment. No established basis for runic glyphs, the “secret” trade guild runes is nothing but speculation."

Patrick, you imbecile, it is not "speculation". It is proof that the problematic KRS runes such as the "hooked X" had a 19th century source. What you cannot show is that these runes as carved for what they represent had a 14th century source. As in show me a hooked X representing the letter A anywhere in the universe that existed in the 14th century. You can't. Wolter can't. Until either of you do, you might not want to ignore the evidence that is actually out there that weighs heavily against your imbecilic speculation.

You imbecile.

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Patrick Shekleton
5/9/2019 09:46:38 pm

Original comment, Joe. We can see that you are continuing to mature. Kent is using you as his mentor. On another note, the carbon dating of the [name it] will only establish when the tree was cut down. It won't establish when the inscription was carved into the wood - although that will be what is asserted. They can do all the due diligence on the [name it] they want but the provenance of the inscription cannot be dated - only the wood can. Plenty of old buildings over in Europe, recycle the reclaimed wood, and do an inscription. Post-1898 inscription on a re-milled piece of lumber. Could have been done post-1898 and before the advent of C14 dating, as a matter of convenience, or it could have been a purposeful approach after C14 dating came about. If someone "produced" a runic inscription on wood in North America, the exact same argument would be tendered to debunk any potential dating results of the wood.

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Kent
5/9/2019 10:34:32 pm

Patriick,

You're all over the map here and sound like you've been drinking. Care or dare to take another run at it?

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Kent
5/10/2019 12:01:28 am

Oh, Patrick. I'm not arguing that the stick is old, simply saying it must date to when the tree was killed or sometime after. My money is on the 19th century.

You clearly do not know what "provenance" means. Here's a hint: it's nothing to do with dating an artifact.

Joe Scales
5/10/2019 09:40:56 am

"We can see that you are continuing to mature."

And you are continuing to be an imbecile.
Patrick, you imbecile.

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Patrick
5/10/2019 06:58:27 am

Kent, thanks for pointing out my misuse of the word provenance. You are absolutely correct.

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Jim
5/10/2019 10:00:57 am

Patrick:
I see by your post that you believe you have more expertise in runic studies and interpreting runes than Magnus Källström who is a runologist, associate professor and researcher within the runic research area at the National Heritage Board.
You would have us take your opinions over those of recognized experts.
It is so wonderful that yourself and Wolter have chosen to educate and elucidate poor under-educated and misguided people who are recognized world experts such as Magnus Källström, Henrik Williams and Runo Löfvendahl.
Perhaps Patrick, just so no one thinks you are merely copy pasting someone else's nonsense or just talking out your ass, you would be willing to list your educational accomplishments and qualifications with regards to runic studies.
would also be helpful for you to list which Nordic languages that you are fluent in both oral and written.
Showing your qualifications and academic superiority over such as Magnus Källström, Henrik Williams and Runo Löfvendahl should go a long way to proving you are not full of shit.
Thanks in advance for your response.

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Jim
5/10/2019 10:09:17 am

ig·no·rance
/ˈiɡnərəns/
noun
noun: ignorance

lack of knowledge or information.

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Whiskey Dick
5/10/2019 10:52:52 am

Why smear my ears with jamb and tie me an ant hill. Thet there is more evidence that rascal Minnesota Viking stone is a later manifestation of the eighteen double oughts. That varrmit Patty Cakes Shekelton could be showed documented evidence of the Vikings stones falehoods and still cling to his bros. Grim view of why some low down sidewinders would pull such a prank as the Minnesota Viking stone in the first place. Its hard to admit if a feller has put years of belief into such an obviously bogus Viking Stone. It boggles the mind how many of these modern history dudes cling to notions that were first ciphered in the eighteen double oughts. Livin' in the past is no way to go through life Flounder. He he. Next Patty Cakes will be ciphering how aliens from another planet actually made thet there Minnesota Viking stone! I'm off to fix the cattle tank on the north forty. So long pardners.

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Patrick
5/10/2019 03:56:15 pm

"As in show me a hooked X representing the letter A anywhere in the universe that existed in the 14th century. You can't."

Latin origin. -AE scribal abbreviation. Various representational forms, to include the X with hook depiction. As Latin was the language of the learned in the Medieval Era, the HX form, inscribed as a rune, would be understood with little difficulty. William Thalbitzer wrote of the -AE scribal abbreviation being a likely candidate for the HX runic form. Thalbitzer was correct.

8th Century, Codex Sang 912 Scribal Abbreviation (close, but not a pure HX)
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407902479285951/1714322608643935/?type=3&theater

11th/13th Century, Urb. Lat. 290 (clear HX form)
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407902479285951/1684852321590964/?type=3&theater

1122 AD, Scribal Abbreviation
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407902479285951/1372060469536819/?type=3&theater

1350 AD, Scribal Abbreviation
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407902479285951/1382034231872776/?type=3&theater

1200-1260 AD, Scribal Abbreviation
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407902479285951/1382539405155592/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407902479285951/1382536261822573/?type=3&theater

1508 Maggiolo Map, Scribal Abbreviation (multiple slides)
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407902479285951/1373005032775696/?type=3&theater

1559 Cosmography, X with Hook used as a number
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407902479285951/1376384595771073/?type=3&theater

1559 Cosmography, -GN bind rune (Narragansett Rune Stone connection)
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407902479285951/1377467568996109/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407902479285951/1409226012486931/?type=3&theater

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Joe Scales
5/10/2019 04:18:40 pm

Patrick, you imbecile. A shotgun response of pure nonsense doesn't cut it.

A hooked X. For the letter A. !4th century. Put up or shut up.

Plastering this board with nonsense and links to your imbecilic groups won't cut it. You don't have it. Admit it. You imbecile.

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Patrick
5/10/2019 04:16:46 pm

Here's an X, transliterated as an -AE ligature, matched to the 13th century lexicon of Northern England, contained within a runic inscription: https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407902479285951/1953530691389791/?type=3&theater. This pre-dates the use of the X for the letter -A in the Dalecarlian runes by three centuries.

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Joe Scales
5/10/2019 04:22:25 pm

Wishful thinking and more nonsense. You imbecile.

You don't have it Patrick. So quit making stuff up. You imbecile.

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Patrick
5/10/2019 06:04:48 pm

Study up on the Narragansett Rune Stone (NRS) runes: https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.1407948279281371/1450820034994195/?type=3&theater

The non-Swedish runologist found the write-up interesting, they asked me to forward any further research to them that is done on the NRS.

Henrik Williams' SHROMLIAA. That is an invention.

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Jim
5/11/2019 11:11:45 am

Patrick
The laddie doth protest too much, methinks.
When Wolter decided to shine a light on the geology of the KRS, the idiot has inadvertently proven 2 things.

First, the calcite proves beyond a doubt that it ia a 19teenth century hoax.

Second, Wolter is incompetent and/or a liar. The fact that Professor Emeritus Paul Weiblen could find no biotite at all in the interior core sample despite multiple passes of an electron means Wolters dating via weathering of biotite on tombtsone chip samples is a non starter. Garbage !

And then Wolter goes down the Templar rabbit hole, yikes !

Backed up by unnamed Tribal elders that only talk to Wolter.

Backed up by Henry Sinclair's journals that no one has ever seen, that have since been supposedly intentionally destroyed.

Backed up by unnamed and unheard from Masonic scholars.
(The ones noted in Muir's book who told him the language in the supposed Sinclair journals was not consistent with the times (fake journals) notwithstanding.)

Backed up by unnamed peer reviewers, with the peer reviews never seen.

Backed up by copies of copies of copies of supposedly ancient maps.

And on, and on, and on,,,,,,,,,

Patrick, how much of your life are you going to flush down the toilet being a sucker ?

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Joe Scales
5/11/2019 11:40:36 am

Imbecile Patrick is just as disingenuous as our boy Wolter. I mean, just look above. How a discussion in regard to a hooked X becomes "an X". Then of course there was his reverse negative image debacle where he couldn't see the chancel for the trees.

Patrick is just as much a falsifier of history as Wolter, and just as dumb. The main difference being he's just oodles more obscure; and bound to stay that way.

Jim
5/11/2019 12:05:39 pm

"Imbecile Patrick is just as disingenuous as our boy Wolter."

Yes, you are right. It's amazing that someone is so dumb that they persist in such an obvious and proven hoax, shouting from the mountaintop: LOOK AT ME, I am a liar and a fake !

Anyhoo, I thought I should include a link to Professor Weiblen's report in case anyone hasn't read it.

https://websites.godaddy.com/blob/65151a46-8ee3-453c-83d3-7b1077c69c9e/downloads/1bjjr2j2i_6396.pdf?1990c761

"The report presents the results of 1) a reconnaissance Petrographic examination. 2) an x-ray diffraction scan of one polished thin section and 3) the results of 127 electron microprobe analyses."

" The electron microprobe analyses indicate that the rock contains varieties of both muscovite and illite; biotite if present was not intersected in the electron microprobe traverses."

Kent
5/11/2019 06:02:34 pm

This zesty exchange led me to the summary idea the Freemasons are the professional wrestlers of spirituality. Think about it: they all call each other "Brother".

Doc Rock
5/12/2019 11:39:15 am

With all due respect to Native American oral traditions, there needs to be a drinking game where every time a fringe proponent throws out something along the lines of "an old Indian told me" in support of their wacked out theory everyone has to do a shot of rotgut whiskey.

Jim
5/11/2019 08:31:29 pm

I just ran across another hooked X !

https://www.reddit.com/r/OakIsland/comments/bn5rze/a_templar_connection_to_my_mcdonalds_coke_lid/

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Patrick
5/12/2019 02:54:47 pm

Good report by Professor Weiblen.

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Jim
5/12/2019 04:45:34 pm

I agree Patrick, so let me ask you a few questions.

In light of the fact that Wolter claims that surface biotite weathered completely away after 200 years on slate tombstones, which he uses as his proof that a lack of biotite on the surface of the KRS rune carvings proves that the runes were made over 200 years ago, wouldn't the fact that there is no discernible biotite in the composition of the KRS at all tell you that his findings are complete nonsense with regards to The KRS which contained no biotite to begin with ?

One thing to note as well is the fact that Professor Weiblen brought up biotite at all.

" biotite if present was not intersected in the electron microprobe traverses."

Why would he bring up a mineral that is not even present in the rock that the report is about ? Puzzling ? Not really, he obviously brought it up directly in response to Wolters faulty testing and conclusions.
Can you think of any other reason ?

Now remember that Wolter will not let us see Professor Weiblen's alleged peer review of Wolters work. Wolter claims these peer reviews are all glowingly positive reviews of his work.
When Professor Weiblen went out of his way in his report to show the fatal flaw of Wolters "science" is it reasonable to think that he completely changed course in a peer review and lavished praise on Wolters work ?

Patrick
5/12/2019 06:39:09 pm

Jim, in the last 24 hours you have called me ignorant and agreed with Joe's statement that I am "just as disingenuous as our boy Wolter." Now you are inclined to ask me some questions. So you can then do the same thing again.

The very first thing that I suggest you, and others, do is to validate that the Weiblen report you are reading on Richard Nielsen's website is the actual report that Weiblen produced HIMSELF.

There is a copy - at least of portions of Weiblen's report in Appendix H of Barry Hanson's 2002 book. While the pagination is slightly different, the content flows unbroken throughout the report.

The Nielsen version has a title page that the Hanson version doesn't. The Nielsen version title page, contents page, and introduction page are written in a font that Nielsen typically used, I believe it is Arial. Page 2 thru 4 of the report then switches to a Courier or Times New Roman font (I use Calibri so I can't pinpoint the actual font) and matches the same report that I read in Hanson's book.

Page 5 thru 7 then switches back to Arial and contains information that is NOT found in Hanson's 2002 book. It is on page 7 that the "biotite if present was not intersected in the electron microprobe traverses" statement is found.

Page 8 switches back to Courier/TNR font.

Page 12 and 13 switches back to Arial. It contains the basic content found in Hanson's 2002 book, but some points have been changed and/or dropped.

Then we get another shift to Courier/TNR, then another shift back to Arial.
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The pdf was created 10/29/2010. I wouldn't question the date if everything cross-matched Hanson's 2002 book's version.

Does the report we SEE from Richard Nielsen's web site...have the look and feel of a work produced by a Professor Emeritus? Not the technical information, but the formatting and splicing together aspect?

There are too many disparities in the pdf file that is available on Nielsen's web page.

It looks doctored...as in really doctored. As in very possibly, a hoax. It doesn't even look like an appended report...it looks like a spliced together fusion of original work and then a later, doctored work.

Joe Scales
5/12/2019 07:23:12 pm

Patrick, you imbecile.

So now you decide to be skeptical? And yet when it is pointed out to you that you relied on a negative image and thought you saw the remnants of a chancel in what a true image would have clearly showed as trees... you won't relent. But hey, here we have a different font. IT MUST BE FRAUD.

Are you saying the late Richard Nielsen fabricated Weiblen's report and posted it knowing it was false? And that after all these years, it somehow never got back to Weiblen that a falsified report was published in his name? Do you really truly believe, based on your renowned sleuthing abilities, that these lies went unchecked? Gee, you'd have thought Wolter, who would have known it was a lie, would have been more proactive in protecting his past mentor, and might have actually produced a contrary written record. But no. He'd rather just let imbeciles such as yourself go on believing nonsense and spreading falsehoods for him. That's right minion. You're Wolter's stooge. That idiot actually has found someone even dumber to promote his imbecility; and for that Patrick, you are perfectly suited.

Jesus Christ man... you are an imbecile.

Patrick
5/12/2019 07:23:24 pm

Jim et al,
Here is the report from Hanson's 2002 book: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Yg6t6zUXA13MshJED-ok3uC8lNk161KC

Here's is part of the puzzle...Michlovic's 2010 article on the KRS cited Weiblen's report...sub-referencing the report in Hanson's 2002 book. Michlovic didn't mention that there was an absence of biotite on the KRS face and edge, in fact, he said that it was present. I presumed that he got it from Wolter...who got the results from Dr. Richard Ojakangas in 2003. But...if you only have the Weiblen report from Richard Nielsen's web site...you wonder how Ojakangas and Wolter came to state that there was biotite.

I KNOW the Weiblen report on Richard Nielsen's website has striking differences from the report found in Hanson's 2002 book...and I will speculate that if Michlovic had read the Nielsen 2010 version, then he would have remarked on the absence of biotite which is stated in that (doctored) report. Michlovic made no mention.

A Professor Emeritus did NOT create the report that one finds today on Richard Nielsen's web site. That is NOT Professor Weiblen's work.

Joe Scales
5/12/2019 07:35:36 pm

Patrick, you imbecile. If anyone is falsifying data, it's Wolter. He couldn't even be counted on to honestly convey the wording of the York Rites Ritual, when anyone could have simply looked it up to discredit his foolish code imbecility. To this day Wolter will not admit his bungling. Just like you won't admit that reverse image showed trees and not the remnants of a chancel. You want credibility here, then admit what we all know. That would be a good first step.

But you can't. Your life's work is invalid on its face and you're too stupid to realize it. So you continue to falsify history. In a most bungling and incompetent manner. Which is deep down... kinda funny. You imbecile.

Jim
5/12/2019 08:16:06 pm

Patrick:
Awesome deflection !

I did not call you ignorant, I quoted the definition of the word, that it was aimed directly at you is true. Unless you speak Nordic languages fluently and have the knowledge of runic studies that Magnus Källström who is a runologist, associate professor and researcher within the runic research area at the National Heritage Board has, your opinions simply do not carry the weight, credibility and and knowledge of Mr Källström.

ig·no·rance
lack of knowledge or information.

What are your credentials in Nordic and rune studies ?
You have none, thus your arguments opposing Mr Källström are obviously ignorant.

Now you appear to be accusing Richard Nielsen of falsifying Mr. Weiblen's report !
This is a somewhat serious matter.
Are you accusing Richard Nielsen of this, and if so what is your evidence ? And it had better be iron clad evidence.
I hope you are not just being disingenuous again.

dis·in·gen·u·ous
/ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/
adjective
adjective: disingenuous

not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Again great deflection on the questions posed, congrats.

Patrick
5/12/2019 08:02:57 pm

For you, Joe, some more reading on Thalbitzer and the Hooked X: https://www.facebook.com/114338978642314/photos/a.114955778580634/2168542349888623/?type=3&theater

Dr. Weiblen didn't do that report found on Nielsen's web site. No Ph.D. would present a work in that format. Ever.

That report has significant parts re-written, other original report pages scanned in, and then the document was converted to a pdf format in 2010. The report in Hanson's book contains an Acknowledgement page...in it Weiblen wrote: "The final version of the text was improved by reviews of earlier versions by Dr. Corrie Beck and Dean Kjerland." The version in Hanson's 2002 book was the final version, not some draft.

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Patrick
5/12/2019 08:24:49 pm

:)

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Joe Scales
5/13/2019 08:55:13 am

Patrick, you complete imbecile. You do not have a hooked X representing the letter A in the 14th century. Period.

Now please stop peppering this board with your asinine, moronic facebook ramblings as if they prove anything other than you being a complete imbecile. Patrick... you imbecile.

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Jim
5/12/2019 09:00:57 pm

Patrick:
This is complete bullshit !
The quote I noted from Nielsen's files is exactly the same as in the report you are quoting. What the hell Patrick ? You accuse Mr Nielson of falsifying Mr. Weiblen's report,and your evidence is a report word for word identical ?

dis·in·gen·u·ous
/ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/
adjective
adjective: disingenuous

not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Patrick:

" Michlovic didn't mention that there was an absence of biotite on the KRS face and edge, in fact, he said that it was present. I presumed that he got it from Wolter...who got the results from Dr. Richard Ojakangas in 2003. But...if you only have the Weiblen report from Richard Nielsen's web site...you wonder how Ojakangas and Wolter came to state that there was biotite."

This is all disingenuous as well as Patrick is fully aware.
Ojakangas was not referring to the core sample taken from the KRS !!!
Ojakangas saw biotite in an undocumented chip sample given to him by none other than Scott Wolter !
More shenanigans !

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Patrick
5/12/2019 09:53:58 pm

You're certified, Jim. You always have been. I read the Nielsen paper. It remarks specifically that there is no biotite on the section of the core sample that Weiblen analyzed. I read Michlovics 2010 article and he says biotite was found on the KRS. How is that? Michlovic would not have bypassed a mention that the 127 sampled areas from the core section had ZERO biotite, but he did. Because there are 2 versions of the report. And it is the Nielsen version that looks to be off. Scream all you want, but that Nielsen version is suspect until there is a plausible explanation. You and Joe aren't going to find one, so shut your pieholes.

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Patrick
5/12/2019 09:41:19 pm

There's no bullshit coming from me. The reports are significantly different. The commentary from you and Joe doesn't change that FACT. Folks can view both reports. You provided the link to Nielsen's site, I scanned the copy out of Hanson's book. There might be a plausible reason, but right now none of us can say with certainty. Nielsen's report doesn't strike me as the finished product of a Professor Emeritus. I would expect to see a revision remark, at a minimum. There is none. Dr. Weiblen does a formal technical report published in Hanson's book, then he turns around and produced what we find on Nielsen's web site? It seems out of place.

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Jim
5/12/2019 09:54:54 pm

What the hell are you talking about ?
Both reports say word for word the evidence you are disputing. And you make a baseless accusation of Richard Nielsen, accusing him of falsifying the report.
You are disgusting.

Now that we know that both reports say there was no biotite encountered, would you be willing to answer my questions that you are trying so hard to duck and deflect from ?

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Kent
5/12/2019 10:33:14 pm

My reading agrees with Jim's Patrick. Now that the crucial passage has been shown to exist in both versions, perhaps you could point out the differences you found?

Jim
5/12/2019 11:11:00 pm

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-lost-templar-journals-of-prince.html#comment-form

Scott Wolter:

"Finally, some legitimate geological questions. First, you need to realize Dr. Wieblen ran only one microprobe traverse (I was present when he did it) and it was on the exterior, glaical-aged weathered end of the core which, of course, no longer has any micas present."

"Dr. Wieblen did not review thin sections, he performed one micro-probe analysis on the weathered top surface. He also described the thickness of the top portion of the core sample (approximately 35 mm (1-3/8”) diameter by 12 mm (1/2”) thick), but did he not test this vertical surface, he tested the top, horizontal weathered surface."

Since we all know what the report actually says, who thinks Wolter is being honest ?

Besides the fact that Dr. Wieblen found no biotite, Mr. Löfvendahl who examined a thin section when Wolter brought the KRS to Sweden for examination by Swedish experts, also found that there was no biotite present.

https://websites.godaddy.com/blob/65151a46-8ee3-453c-83d3-7b1077c69c9e/downloads/1bjjqlckr_452803.pdf?78d0546c

"In Nielsen and Wolter (2006) and Wolter (2003 and 2004 a & b) the results given in Weiblen (2001) and in Löfvendahl (2004) (both these latter two references are found on www.richardnielsen.org) that both show an absence of biotite in the thin sections were ignored. Weiblen (2001:10) has shown that the potassium layered silicate encountered in the electron microprobe transverse of 127 analyses is the clay, illite, rather than muscovite mica. The X-Ray diffraction in Weiblen (2001: Fig. 15) confirmed this. Löfvendahl‘s investigation on the same thin sections by point count found no biotite either, which confirmed Weiblen‘s results."

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Patrick
5/13/2019 05:37:24 am

Yep, the sentence is the same in both. Tired eyes. I stand corrected.

Joe Scales
5/13/2019 08:52:31 am

Now why don't you try looking for trees in place of your beloved chancel, Patrick. You complete imbecile.

And quit peppering this board with your nonsense.

Patrick
5/13/2019 06:14:41 am

Weiblen found no presence of biotite in his analysis on KRS PTS 1 or 2. These samples were interior surface samples on the KRS that had not been exposed to weathering. No biotite present, as I understand it. Do I have this correct?

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Patrick
5/13/2019 07:07:58 am

There is no way around the fact that there is no biotite in the plug/core sample that Dr. Weiblen analyzed. It wasn't present, according to Weiblen. Wolter states that Weiblen analyzed the weathered, top surface. This doesn't appear to mesh with what is written in Weiblen's report. Given that the tombstone study used biotite as the primary "weathering" material for comparison, it is important to have that material identified in the KRS. It clearly isn't in the plug/core samples (PTS 1 and 2).

In the 2006 book, Wolter relates that Dr. Ojakangas examined thin sections taken from the plug/core in 2003. Doing a point count, Dr. Ojakangas identified biotite. (see pp. 33-35).

Weiblen's analysis vs. Ojakangas' analysis. One found no biotite, the other did.

The chip sample from the side of the stone, as it is written about, isn't clear about biotite being present, or not, on the weathered side. Nor is there any discussion about it being present on the interior, unweathered portion of the sample.

Two analysis on the core/plug thin sections, different analytical techniques, two different conclusions on whether biotite was present. A cursory analysis on the chip sample, no discussion of biotite.

No matter how you look at it, it is not very satisfactory. The tombstone study was based on biotite, so it is critical to establish by more than just one data point that biotite is present in the KRS matrix (on the interior, unweathered section). Only then can one assert that the biotite on the exterior surfaces has weathered away.

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Jim
5/13/2019 10:03:14 am

Let's just ignore this:

" Löfvendahl‘s investigation on the same thin sections by point count found no biotite either, which confirmed Weiblen‘s results."

And then there is this:

" Prof. Ojakangas (2002) did find biotite in an undocumented KRS thin section "

Undocumented being the key word.

"After the RSM regained custody of the core research material in late 2008, it was later discovered by Prof. Emeritus Paul Weiblen and I that the core research records were lacking the claimed EDX records that would prove that muscovite and biotite existed in the chip‘s fresh fracture. Fig. 1 is now unsupported without the published data on EDX and the important accompanying technical data to allow replication. "

Given Wolter's statements from his own blogsite about Weiblen's work it is pretty obvious which camp is dishonest and making crap up.

Wolter:

"Finally, some legitimate geological questions. First, you need to realize Dr. Wieblen ran only one microprobe traverse (I was present when he did it) and it was on the exterior, glaical-aged weathered end of the core which, of course, no longer has any micas present."

"Dr. Wieblen did not review thin sections, he performed one micro-probe analysis on the weathered top surface. He also described the thickness of the top portion of the core sample (approximately 35 mm (1-3/8”) diameter by 12 mm (1/2”) thick), but did he not test this vertical surface, he tested the top, horizontal weathered surface."

One wonders if Wolter would like to make these statements in his beloved "court of law" with the penalty of perjury hanging over him.

Jin
5/13/2019 10:08:09 am

Patrick:

"Weiblen's analysis vs. Ojakangas' analysis. One found no biotite, the other did."

No, no, no, Weiblen's and Löfvendahl‘s analysis vs. Wolters version of Ojakangas' analysis. !!!

Big freaking difference !
Why would we trust anything Wolter says ?

Jim
5/13/2019 10:41:28 am

And since Patrick wants to turn this into another marathon crap fest, we might just as well touch on Wolters nonsensical position concerning the alleged "peer reviews".

Wolter claims he won't show us the peer reviews to protect the reviewers from unnecessary harassment. That's all well and fine, but their names have been public knowledge for years.

https://websites.godaddy.com/blob/65151a46-8ee3-453c-83d3-7b1077c69c9e/downloads/1bjjqlckr_452803.pdf?78d0546c

"Prof. Ojakangas told me he was interviewed for the film, but not on the subject of peer review. Prof. Ojakangas confirmed to me recently, ―Obviously I am not eligible to be a peer reviewer, and do not recall saying anything about his work in writing.”

"Quoting Wolter (2006b), ―The first point is relative [The MSM geologist]comment about an apparent lack of peer review of the geologic work we performed and reported in our book. The fact of the matter of is that my report has been peer reviewed, in writing, by eight senior geologists and geological engineers. These individuals are Professor Emeritus John Green, Professor Emeritus Charles L. Matsch, Professor Richard Ojakangas [all three are debarred from giving a former student a review],Professor Emeritus G.B. Morey, Professor Emeritus Paul Weiblen [Neither Professor Morey nor Weiblen received any report], Dr. Bryant Mather (now deceased), geological engineer Terrance Swor P.E. and Senior ACI [American Concrete Institute]International Fellow, Richard Stehly P.E.‖ [These two men worked with Wolter, which disqualifies them from giving a peer-review"

Now the good news is that Patrick can now inform Wolter that he can release to the public these peer reviews. Turns out that everyone knew who they were all along.
I an especially interested to see Professor Emeritus Paul Weiblen's report, especially since Wolter saw fit to not even give him Wolter's Report so that he could peer review it !

FREE THE REVIEWS !
No reason not to now is there Scotty.

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Patrick
5/13/2019 11:37:26 am

No argument. "No matter how you look at it, it is not very satisfactory. The tombstone study was based on biotite, so it is critical to establish by more than just one data point that biotite is present in the KRS matrix (on the interior, unweathered section). Only then can one assert that the biotite on the exterior surfaces has weathered away." Even the one data point has been called into question.

I don't disagree with the premise that Wolter would have better served with a technical paper that had been peer reviewed prior to publishing. The dating methodology was a new scientific approach and validation/acceptance of the results/conclusions were going to raise questions.

Jim, you seem to be pretty good on this peer review thing. Has ANY published material cited in the discussion on the KRS, NT, SPR, or NRS undergone a double-blind peer review? Perhaps Henrik Williams 2014 preliminary report on the Narragansett rune stone? Erik Walhlgren's books? The C14 mortar dating results prior to their release at a press conference in 1993?

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Jim
5/13/2019 12:28:37 pm

"Jim, you seem to be pretty good on this peer review thing. Has ANY published material cited in the discussion on the KRS, NT, SPR, or NRS undergone a double-blind peer review? Perhaps Henrik Williams 2014 preliminary report on the Narragansett rune stone? Erik Walhlgren's books? The C14 mortar dating results prior to their release at a press conference in 1993? "

I have no clue, I don't spend my days researching these hoaxes. While I have scanned over most of Richard Nielsen's files, I mostly assume whatever Wolter and and some others (you included) claim is pure BS and then search the net as needed during the debate. It doesn't usually take much of a search to expose the nonsense.

Doc Rock
5/13/2019 02:23:43 pm

I'm not aware of any published peer-reviewed research that supports any of these fringe claims, but that doesn't mean it is absent. If one did publish in a peer reviewed journal then there would no doubt be a vigorous debate that played out through time. Since people are unwilling or unable to submit their work for peer review the end result is the type of discussion here where the story has to be pieced together from multiple sources.

On the other hand there is a mountain of published research or legitimate technical reports that indirectly refutes every fringe claim relevant to this discussion.

Jim
5/13/2019 03:39:01 pm

Right you are Doc, one has only to read the comments made by Harold Edwards in Jason's recent blog post:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/review-of-americas-lost-vikings-s01e04-ghosts-of-the-great-lakes

Harold gives us dozens upon dozens upon dozens of links to legitimate sources of research and opinions from qualified and recognized experts whereas Wolter gives us:
Unnamed tribal elders
Unnamed "Masonic scholars"
A dead double knot secret agent spy that no one but for Don Ruh has ever heard of.
Manuscripts that no one else has ever seen and are now destroyed
Peer reviews no one is allowed to see
Copies of copies of copies of supposed medieval maps
Endless works of other pseudoscience authors
etc.etc.

Speaking of endless works of other pseudoscience authors.
Yesterday when looking to debunk Patricks nonsensical claims, I came across this.

http://collections.mnhs.org/MNHistoryMagazine/articles/60/v60i02p061-065.pdf

I had given Wolter credit for coming up with the whole Cistercian Monks carving the KRS nonsense.
Turns out he merely lifted that from the book "The Kensington Stone: It's Place in History" by Thomas Reiersgord.
So, I considered if Wolter had come up with any original material at all and then made the following list:

1- Biotite

End of list, can anyone add to this ? Patrick ? Anyone ?

Doc Rock
5/13/2019 04:34:12 pm

Jim,

That's par for the course with everything that he pushes.
I took a look at the latest go around over the billion tons of copper that Wolter thinks the Minoans or whoever mined. He seems oblivious to the fact that professional archaeologists have been writing about prehistoric copper mining in that area for decades and there is not a bit of evidence to support the notion that anyone other than Native Americans did it. If one tried to use the same argument and evidence that he did in a paper submitted for peer review it wouldn't even make it off the editors desk. It's all about making BS arguments that won't pass muster and then screaming conspiracy when people treat it like the joke that it is. At least with the Kennsington Stone analysis he can at least try to make it sound like a scientific process and trust some people to take the bait.

Harold Edwards
5/14/2019 12:56:05 pm

There is no biotite in the sandstone (graywacke) that makes up the Kensington Stone. Period. This paper will explain why:

Aldahan, Ala Adin and Sadoon Morad (1986), “Chemistry of Detrital Biotites and Their Phyllosilicate Intergrowths in Sandstones,” Clays and Clay Minerals, vol. 34, pp. 539-548.

You can download a copy here:

http://www.clays.org/journal/archive/volume%2034/34-5-539.pdf

When biotite weathers potassium is leached from its crystal structure and replaced by water to form the clay mineral vermiculite. Compare the two minerals:

http://www.handbookofmineralogy.org/pdfs/biotite.pdf

http://www.handbookofmineralogy.org/pdfs/vermiculite.pdf

What Ojakangas saw in thin section was the intermediate material, weathered biotite called hydrobiotite.

http://www.handbookofmineralogy.org/pdfs/hydrobiotite.pdf

Furthermore there was probably no biotite in Wolter's Maine slate samples. If you think about it, this is elementary metamorphic petrology. Slates are low grade metamorphic rocks formed from shales, sedimentary rocks in turn formed from mud. Biotite forms at higher metamorphic grade in biotite schists.

Slates in Maine have little or no biotite in them. The dark color of most slates is from finely disseminated carbonaceous material. See:

Dale, T. Nelson (1914), Slate in the United States, U.S.G.S. Bulletin 586, 220 pages. You can download a copy here:

https://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/0586/report.pdf

Woter identified biotite on page 41 of Nielsen's and Wolter's (2006), The Kensington Rune Stone Compelling New Evidence, He used the chemistry from the x-ray spectra from an electron microscope study and published the spectra on this page. (The symbol for potassium is K.) The major matrix minerals of slates are chlorite and illite (related to muscovite mica):

http://www.handbookofmineralogy.org/pdfs/clinochlore.pdf

http://www.handbookofmineralogy.org/pdfs/muscovite.pdf

A mixture of these two minerals will give the same chemistry as biotite.

Wolter's spectra on page 41 is from his fresh (i.e., unweathered) 1815 Lowell tombstone. What Wolter did not publish is his spectra from the weathered 1815 Lowell tombstone. It is virtually the same as his unweathered spectra. It has a bit more iron in it. Little or no potassium has been lost, so it cannot be biotite. A copy of his SEM photos and spectra can be found at the Minnesota Historical Society archives in St. Paul, Minnesota.

Wolter's whole analysis was based on the misidentification of biotite. Garbage in, garbage out.

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Doc Rock
5/14/2019 01:15:08 pm

Harold,

Perhaps it has been discussed before, but have you taken a look at the "peer review" that someone gave Wolter's work and that he posted on his blog?

Jim
5/14/2019 02:00:31 pm

Nice, thanks for weighing in Harold.

Harold Edwards
5/14/2019 03:06:59 pm

As has been pointed out again and again over the years, Wolter's characterization of "peer review" is not the same as the term is used in academic publishing. Typically an editor of a journal will submit copies of the draft paper to two or more specialists in the field. Their names are usually concealed from the author to help insure "impartiality." These individuals will then comment on the paper to help the editor make the final decision on publication and to suggest potential revisions to help improve the paper. This is not what Wolter has done here. Here the "reviewer" is a John Parks who has a background in geophysics. That is not the specialty involved in rock weathering analysis. Depending on how much work he had put into bringing his understanding of the issues involved up to the level needed to evaluate Wolter's work, his opinion can range from useless to excellent. I have never heard of "The petrographic report (Pet Report SW 101203)." Where is that to be found? Much of what is on Wolter's blog seems to be from his book chapter 3 which in turn is from his drafts of 2003.

Do this. Take Wolter's chapter in Richard Nielsen's and Scott Wolter's (2006), The Kensington Rune Stone Compelling New Evidence, and ask the question of each fact Wolter presents: How does he know this? At that place he needs to either have a quote from another source along with its citation or an explanation of a test or observation he himself performed. Where are these? He identified biotite, but based on what? He gives no explanation or citation of the identification properties of biotite. Also take Wolter's assertion that the Kensington stone was a glacial boulder. How does he know that? He has never presented any proof.

In the blog, Wolter plotted the KRS on a quartz-feldspar-rock fragment triangular diagram along with similar rocks found in Minnesota. With this he noted "The analysis was performed by Dr. Richard Ojakangas, Professor Emeritus of Geology from the University of Minnesota – Duluth. Dr. Ojakangas’ conclusion was that the mother-rock for the KRS probably originated in the Paleoproterozoic Amimikie [sic] Basin in east-central Minnesota," How?

The Q-F-RF values from the Kensington Stone petrography are 20,5%, 9.8%, and 18%. (This is in Wolter's book, pages 34-35.) These normalize to 42%, 20%, 37%. The values for the point labeled “Thomson, Virginia, and Rove Fm” are 50%, 30%, and 20%. The Rove Formation is an Animikie basin rock. Therefore what Ojakangas meant by Animikie basin rock is unknown. For graywackes of the Rove Formation, sphene is the titanium phase, (Ojakangas had leucoxene in Wolter's published account) and rock fragments range from 0-10%. None of the rock fragments in the Rove Formation are of felsic rocks. "Rock fragments that are mostly recrystallized chert or fine-grained quartzite or rarely, badly weathered schist or greenstone fragments occur only in small amounts." Morey page 41: Morey, G.B. (1969), The Geology of the Middle Precambrian Rove Formation in Northeastern Minnesota, Special Publications Series 7, Minnesota Geological Survey, 62 pages. Copy is here:

https://conservancy.umn.edu/bitstream/handle/11299/59958/mgs-378.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Obviously I am not Scott Wolter's peer!

Doc Rock
5/15/2019 08:41:44 pm

Harold,

I've published about 25 peer reviewed journal articles and served as a peer reviewer for dozens of article and book manuscripts and served on the editorial review board of two peer reviewed journals. So I have a decent understanding of how the process works. I can also look at the comments by other reviewers (when they are made available) and get some idea of whether or not they really know what they are talking about and are actually qualified to review the piece in question.

Given your expertise I was just curious if you had read Park's comments (which obviously isn't an actual peer review) and if you thought they indicated that he actually had the expertise to serve as a reviewer? Sounds like, at the very least, his professional background raised at least a small red flag.

Harold Edwards
5/18/2019 01:33:55 am

To answer DOC ROCK's question: Specialists who evaluate the age of lithic artifacts are called archaeologists. Specialists who evaluate mica weathering are called soil scientists. Specialists who evaluate the deterioration of rocks are called engineering geologists and geomorphologists. The latter are often physical geographers and not geologists. I do not believe Mr. Parks has a background in any of these disciplines. He may be a great autodidact, but that has yet to be established. He obviously is a friend of Mr. Wolter. What else can one say?

The Wolter paper that Mr. Parks reviewed was also reviewed in 2003 by a panel of experts in Stockholm, Sweden:

https://websites.godaddy.com/blob/65151a46-8ee3-453c-83d3-7b1077c69c9e/downloads/1bjjqupnp_526838.pdf?edad613d

These geologists are not well known in the United States, but they were among the best in Sweden. One, Dr. Maria Malmström, was an expert in mica weathering. Here is a paper of hers on mineral weathering rates:

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/es990682u

The leader of the panel, Dr. Runo Löfvendahl, who is now retired, was a geologist with the Swedish National Heritage Board. The Board is the Swedish equivalent of our National Park Service and Smithsonian combined. Here is one of his papers on the weathering of runestones over a 400 year period (it is in Swedish):

http://samla.raa.se/xmlui/handle/raa/78

Where else than Sweden is there expertise on the long term weathering of runestones? Certainly not in Minnesota! The Swedish panel did not evaluate the artifact. It evaluated Wolter's paper about the artifact. Keep in mind that both the Swedish panel and Mr. Parks have accepted Woter's claims about his mineral identifications as true. They have not independently analyzed his samples. Wolter has not cited any other study, if any exists, that performed similar mineral comparisons like his biotite evaluations of the Kensington Runestone and his Maine slate tombstones. He certainly can invent a new method, but he has the extra burden of proving its validity.

The sad fact is that Wolter received a copy of the Swedish review and completely ignored its recommendations. He reprinted his 2003 paper with only a few minor changes as chapter 3 of Richard Nielsen and Scott Wolter 2006: The Kensington Rune Stone Compelling New Evidence,

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink.

Jim
5/14/2019 01:37:36 pm

It looks like they have changed up the order of the America Unearthed episodes and added a few snippets of info.

https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/america-unearthed/episodes

Season 4, Episode 1
Phoenicians in America

"Scott Wolter inspects mysterious carvings on a stone that may prove the ancient Phoenicians made it to America over 1,000 years before Christopher Columbus."

Phoenicians, great, our boy Scott can rewrite history !

Season 4, Episode 2
Alien Artifacts

"Scott Wolter bushwhacks his way through the jungles of Veracruz, Mexico, as he investigates ancient artifacts that could shatter the archaeological record forever and change everything we know about our place in the universe."

Holy moly, Scott is going to completely change history as we know it yet again !

Season 4, Episode 4
Cave of Secrets

"Scott Wolter travels to Shippensburg, Pennsylvania, to check out a mysterious cave that may have been a stop on the Underground Railroad."

At least we have the cave located.


Season 4, Episode 5
The Ripper Unmasked

Season 4, Episode 6
Vikings in the Desert

"Scott Wolter travels to Arizona to verify the origin of alleged Viking artifacts found in the desert. If proven authentic the bronze pieces could substantiate claims that the Vikings made it all the way down to the American Southwest."

Bronze artifacts ? Pulitzer was recently selling off all his expedition crap on his facebook page. Anyone wanna bet Wolter bought Pulitzers magical XRF scanner ?

Is there no episode 3 ? Did Smithsonian henchmen steal it and hide it in their basement ?

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Jim
5/15/2019 06:25:05 pm

As if falsely accusing Richard Nielsen of falsifying Professor Weiblen's Report wasn't enough Patrick has now attacked Magnus Källström and Henrik Williams using nonsensical and unsubstantiated made up crap.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2168542516555273&id=114338978642314&__tn__=K-R

"The various rune forms were created by two different “pens.” These “pens” had a broad, chisel-tipped end to them, something that can be deduced by observing the narrowing of the drawn lines when they begin to curve. In America we would call them markers – a writing utensil that didn’t exist until the 20th century. We also wouldn’t do a blog post on a government-sponsored web page which speculated that a 20th century writing utensil created rune forms which formed the basis of a hoax for an 1898-discovered rune stone in America."

You can look at the photos of the runes yourself, chisel tipped magic markers indeed !

http://www.k-blogg.se/tag/ersk-matsgarden/?fbclid=IwAR0xg3BtRlHldiquRzfcEEFA6YI5DAEO6iPTLTH4uLXBgN0GKkm8HQahCa4

" something that can be deduced by observing the narrowing of the drawn lines when they begin to curve"

Bogus, I call shenanigans !


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Kent
5/15/2019 07:26:54 pm

So because magic markers were invented in the 20th century no one who carved stones previously would have more than one tool? Don't know or care where Patrick was going with this but people in the Stone Age had more than one tool.

Jim, you cite what you saw so no problem but for the record I'm tired of all the true believer Facebook sites, perhaps because I don't Facebook. They should call it sCrapbook. Scrapbooking is another thing I don't do and equally useful.

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Jim
5/16/2019 11:09:22 am

I get get what you are saying however Facebook can be a powerful propaganda tool.

"something that can be deduced by observing the narrowing of the drawn lines when they begin to curve."

This cannot be observed ! It is a complete fabrication that Wolters toady Patrick simply made up and presented it as fact to falsely discredit and attack scholars who show evidence of the KRS being a hoax.
It's part of the disturbing growing trend to deny fact and science.

Patrick:

"I daresay that in my lifetime, and yours, there will not be a single Swedish runologist who will admit that the KRS is authentic."

Kent
5/16/2019 06:31:05 pm

When Joe Louis defended his heavyweight title a record number of times it was dubbed The Bum of the Month Tour. Muhammad Ali once asked him "Would I be a bum to you?" and Louis responded "You would have been on the tour."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTLGxrGROzk

Similarly there are some people who can reliably be counted on to be wrong.

Jim
5/20/2019 04:22:29 pm

More on Wolters "Vikings in the Desert"

https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/tv_goes_to_baja.php

The petroglyphs certainly don't sound overly promising considering the nearby Misión San Fernando Rey de España de Velicatá (1769–1817) is right in the vicinity, one might think any " Baja California petroglyph that may show that a Viking ship had sailed past" is most likely from the Mission era if not actually drawn by one of the missionarys.

Las Pintas
" It contains very little hunting imagery (common at many other sites). Instead there is more religious ritual style art."

https://www.discoverbaja.com/2015/09/21/rock-art-sites-of-baja-california/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misi%C3%B3n_San_Fernando_Rey_de_Espa%C3%B1a_de_Velicat%C3%A1

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Jim
5/20/2019 05:29:35 pm

https://www.discoverbaja.com/2015/09/21/rock-art-sites-of-baja-california/

" The river erosion and intentional destruction by missionaries during their building of an irrigation canal have reduced the site. Odd figures, and what appears to be Roman numerals, and a Spanish galleon shape, have made this site interesting to ponder by many over the years."

The Vikings used Spanish galleons ?, Before galleons existed ?
Galleon use was in it's glory when the Missionary was established and in use.

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Jim
5/27/2019 04:16:59 pm

https://www.spreaker.com/user/10876523/lo-s02e02-final

Do not listen to this for more than 10 minutes at a time or your brain will melt.

Scott "Believes Anything" Wolter actually talks about Blond descendants of Scottish Templars or Vikings who speak a derivative of old Norse among the native population of Panama !
(42;30 mark)
hahahaha

They are albino.

https://globalvoices.org/2015/06/19/panamas-kuna-community-has-a-special-place-for-its-albinos-the-children-of-the-moon/

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