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Tsoukalos Admits Being Wrong about Tiwanaku, but Still Aliens

1/15/2012

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This one is important enough for a special blog post. Ancient Astronaut Theorist Giorgio Tsoukalos admitted on Twitter today that the Puma Punku complex at Tiwanaku (Tiahuanaco) was not built by aliens wielding lasers and plasma guns:

The blocks at Puma Punku were NOT cut with laser nor plasma tools... I've also learned that the H Blocks do not come in the dimensions we thought they came in... They are NOT (!) pre-fabricated blocks (an opinion I've maintained for years which I now have to jettison and revise). Today, I've had to MASSIVELY RECALIBRATE my views on how Puma Punku came into existence... The mystery has INCREASED by a factor of ten. I am still grappling with what I've learned today and I'm struggling to put all the new pieces of evidence into a coherent order.

Tiwanaku has been the subject of ridiculous claims for years, dating back to the Victorians, who originated most of them, but not the lasers. More recently, Erich von Daniken wrote in Chariots of the Gods that the "inscription of the pediment of the Gate of the Sun" speaks of "a spaceship" (p. 43)--a neat trick for a culture that had no writing. He also thought, in Gods from Outer Space, that Tiwanaku's water conduits served as protective shields for electrical cables, and, oh yes, they were made by aliens: "They had a highly developed technology at their disposal, just as we today use laser beams, vibrating milling tools, and electric apparatus" (p. 39; emphasis in original).

But, interestingly enough, the specific laser/plasma gun story doesn't appear in any of the early ancient astronaut works as far as I can tell (von Daniken only hinted at high technology) until Nigel Davies introduced it in 1979's Voyagers to the New World: "the foundations of Tiahuanaco were being laid with the aid of laser beams." Not even ancient technology advocates Pauwels and Bergier mentioned it in Morning of the Magicians--and they believed the ancients had H-bombs. It seems that Davies was inadvertently making explicit what von Daniken had left implicit; one would think that such a dramatic fact would have emerged with the earliest ancient astronaut works rather than through the slow accumulation of mutual references and misinterpretations of one another's metaphors.

In the 1990s, and especially after 2000, the story of the lasers of Tiwanaku exploded, with claim piling on claim, usually from writers with no familiarity with either Tiwanaku or lasers. I cannot, however, find a published reference to "plasma tools" used at Puma Punku, so this must be Tsoukalos' own idea.

At any rate, it's good to hear that Tsoukalos now understands that his opinions about Tiwanaku's origins as a pre-fab alien spaceport are wrong; unfortunately, we can already see the wheels spinning as he "grapples" to concoct a new explanation to wedge aliens into the story of an ancient human culture. As Tsoukalos' Twitter post shows, no matter what evidence he finds, the conclusion remains the same: aliens.
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Layne
10/4/2013 04:11:41 pm

Hi Jason,
So the Greek admitted he was wrong, I've watched Ancient Aliens and caught a few contradictions to the comments made by those regularly participating on Ancient Aliens as experts vs. what archaeology has proven or at least offered as a more plausible choice. Some things are still very baffling according to what we knew as historical, what we thought we know was possible and some stuff we really can't comprehend.

It's easy to be critical w/o offering an alternative and tougher to provide an alternative opinion which could be subject to criticism.
Personally I have no idea,but would love to see the places of such historical wonder. My personal finances, paraplegia and now pulmonary fibrosis suggest I won't ever see it in this lifetime.
Frankly that Darwin's theory of evolution has been accepted as fact by mainstream science puzzles me. Why does that theory not get proven?

What might be your thoughts about who, what, when & how the area was built? Could ancient man have really done such things at Puma Punku with the tools they had? If so why would they have put forth that much energy when daily sustenance was perceived as critical?
PEACE
Layne

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Jason Colavito link
10/4/2013 11:40:24 pm

If do not think evolution has been sufficiently proved, then there isn't really anything I could ever say that would convince you of anything, for very little in science has more evidence in its favor.

Monuments are only built by societies that had the resources to build them; Bolivia at the time had several large civilizations (Tiwakanu, Wari, etc.)--with cities, farms, infrastructure. They weren't savages scratching the dirt.

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Tokengimp
10/5/2013 12:41:11 am

I realize there were large numbers of people in South & Central America, but saying why they built them doesn't tell me how and that's what I want to know. How did these people move these megalithic stones into place, shaping them with their somewhat limited resources.
BTW, In paragraph two the reply stated Bolivia had several large civilizations with cities, farms, etc...then finish saying they are not savages scratching in the dirt...Farmers have always been scratching in the dirt. It's how they plant seeds.

It seems Mr. Tsoukalos was trying to offer a theory an admittedly a poor one in his first attempt. We shall see next season a new theory.

With respect to evolution I agree we have seen a wider variety of birds for instance the Birds of Paradise which have been on the same Islands for many years and become more diverse in style, size & habits while becoming food specialists and thereby more sensitive to environmental changes. Or Madagascar with similarly broad spectrum of lemurs. Yet nothing to convince me some of Darwin's farther reaching claims.Yet with all science claims to have it is still a theory. Ben Stein's Movie "Expelled" did a very good job of validating why.
PEACE

Layne
10/5/2013 12:41:30 am

I realize there were large numbers of people in South & Central America, but saying why they built them doesn't tell me how and that's what I want to know. How did these people move these megalithic stones into place, shaping them with their somewhat limited resources.
BTW, In paragraph two the reply stated Bolivia had several large civilizations with cities, farms, etc...then finish saying they are not savages scratching in the dirt...Farmers have always been scratching in the dirt. It's how they plant seeds.

It seems Mr. Tsoukalos was trying to offer a theory an admittedly a poor one in his first attempt. We shall see next season a new theory.

With respect to evolution I agree we have seen a wider variety of birds for instance the Birds of Paradise which have been on the same Islands for many years and become more diverse in style, size & habits while becoming food specialists and thereby more sensitive to environmental changes. Or Madagascar with similarly broad spectrum of lemurs. Yet nothing to convince me some of Darwin's farther reaching claims.Yet with all science claims to have it is still a theory. Ben Stein's Movie "Expelled" did a very good job of validating why.
PEACE

Layne
10/5/2013 12:46:54 am

Yes there were large numbers of people in South & Central America, but saying why they built them doesn't tell me how. That's what I want to know. How did these people move these megalithic stones into place and shape them with limited resources.
BTW, Paragraph two stated Bolivia had several large civilizations with cities, farms, etc It finishes saying they are not savages scratching in the dirt...I disagree farmers have always scratched in the dirt It's how they plant seeds.
Mr. Tsoukalos was trying to offer a theory, though an admittedly poor one in his first attempt. Maybe we will we see a new theory next season.
With respect to evolution I agree we have seen a wider variety of birds for instance the Birds of Paradise which have been on the same Islands for many years and become more diverse in style, size & habits while becoming food specialists and thereby more sensitive to environmental changes. Or Madagascar with similarly broad spectrum of lemurs. Yet nothing to convince me some of Darwin's farther reaching claims.Yet with all science claims to have it is still a theory. Ben Stein's Movie "Expelled" did a very good job of validating why. PEACE

SPJ
8/14/2015 11:07:30 pm

https://ashtronort.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/monolithic-madness-h-blocks-puma-punka-bolivia/

Hi there,

have a look at this blog posting, it raises a very propable proposal about Puma Punka that you might find of interest...?

Regs,
Stephen

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Psyche101 link
12/17/2013 12:22:35 pm

Giorgio Tsoukalos is amazing in that I feel for every minute I hear him speak I can actually sense my IQ points being eroded proportionally. I fear viewing another season will leave me lobotomised. What he does is what I actually consider vandalism of historical record, really, it ought to be a crime. Lesser harms are punishable by law.

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Harte
12/18/2013 01:49:32 am

One wonders why anyone would consult a Sports Journalism major concerning the ancient past anyway.

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