Tucker Carlson Doubles Down on "Supernatural" UFOs in Joe Rogan Appearance

​In an appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience, rightwing personality Tucker Carlson reaffirmed his belief that UFOs are vehicles belonging to ancient “spiritual entities” that live deep under the earth and in the oceans. Building on comments he first offered a few months back, Carlson suggested that supernatural beings operated alongside ancient humans, echoing the infamous 1940s Shaver Mystery that has become a bedrock belief of fringe conspiracy culture. 

​Radar Online summarized Carlson’s claims on Rogan:

Carlson told Rogan that he thinks UAPs are "spiritual entities" who have inhabited Earth for as long as humanity itself.
 
"There's a ton of evidence that they're under the ocean and under the ground," Carlson told Rogan's listeners during the three-hour discussion between the two. "They've been here for a long time."
 
'They're from here, and they've been here for thousands of years. Whatever they are,' the conservative anchor reiterated.
 
He explained that by "supernatural," he meant that the beings were "above the observable nature" and that he doesn't believe they "behave according to the laws of science."
 
"With that fact set," Carlson put it rhetorically, "What do you conclude?"

​Carlson’s beliefs, which have hardened over the past six months from speculation to assertion, draw on elements of contemporary conspiracy culture. While his version of cryptoterrestrials or ultraterrestrials is closest to Richard Shaver’s subterranean Deros, there is also a clear echo of H. P. Lovecraft’s Old Ones, particularly as given in “The Call of Cthulhu” (1926): “They worshipped, so they said, the Great Old Ones who lived ages before there were any men, and who came to the young world out of the sky. Those Old Ones were gone now, inside the earth and under the sea; but their dead bodies had told their secrets in dreams to the first men, who formed a cult which had never died.”
 
Richad Shaver, who was essentially a madman, mixed his fantasies about an underground race of “evil” cave-dwellers with heavy doses of what we would today call far-right conspiracy theories about the Deep State, a moneyed elite oppressing regular people for profit, and a bottomless well of secrets that would upend humanity if only the government and the wealthy weren’t suppressing the truth. The Shaver Mystery was highly influential and helped shape Reptilian conspiracy theories, Q-Anon’s esoteric branch, and more recent speculative nonsense from the crown of ufologists in the orbit of the Pentagon. In each case, the conspiracy theories, by sheer coincidence, provide a mythology for far-right ideologies.
 
No wonder such ideas appeal to Tucker Carlson.