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Tuesday Roundup: Giants' Bones in Russia, Medieval Malians in the Southwestern US, and More!

7/5/2016

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This weekend I watched X-Men: Apocalypse, which I found to be less awful than critics claimed, though not terribly enjoyable. I mention it though because I was struck by the opening sequence, which seemed to draw so much from the medieval Arab-Egyptian pyramid myth of Surid. In the scene, the evil godlike mutant Apocalypse uses high technology on sarcophagus-like beds within a secret chamber under a giant pyramid to engage in mind transfer into a new body, powered by solar panels atop his pyramid that are kept covered in silk drapery until the time is right. Such elements—the silken covering, the labyrinth of hidden chambers, the technological sarcophagi to preserve bodies—can all be found in the versions of the medieval story of Surid given in part in the Akhbar al-zaman and more fully in al-Maqrizi. I am not terribly familiar with the comics’ version of Apocalypse, created in the 1990s, but it is my understanding the film version is a bit different from the comics’ origin story for him and uses material from comic stories set in the distant future. 
I don’t know whether the filmmakers intentionally drew on the medieval material for their imagery, or whether it’s simply a coincidence, but it was odd to see such similarities.
 
Similarly, I saw that there is a bit of a discussion over on Beachcombing’s Bizarre History Blog of whether a tenth-century text from the Arab traveler Ibn Fadlan “proves” the existence of Bigfoot in medieval Russia. The passage in question (which I have posted here for the year 922) involves Ibn Fadlan recording a story told to him by a king along the Volga River about a giant, one of the people of the giant tribes of Gog and Magog, who lived in the vicinity. He was allegedly eighteen feet tall. The king said that he had the giant captured and brought to him, but that the monster caused people to drop dead from looking at him. The king then offered to show Ibn Fadlan the bones of the now-dead giant. “I saw his head.  It was like a great beehive.  His ribs were like the stalks of a date cluster and his leg bones and arm bones also were enormous.  I was astounded at the sight,” Ibn Fadlan wrote, in the 2011 translation of Paul Lunde and Caroline Stone.
 
The king’s story would seem to be a tall tale told to a credulous traveler, and the bones, from the description, sound very much like those of a mammoth. It’s also a bit odd that Gog and Magog are described here as giants, since in the Islamic tradition, as given by al-Qazwini, they are bestial monsters only half as high as a man.
 
But the Arabic writers of the Middle Ages aren’t done with us today. They underlie a new article on Ancient Origins in which Clyde Winters argues that Native Americans did not build the Cliff Dwellings of the American Southwest but instead received them from Africans who came there from across the ocean in the 1300s.
 
Clyde Winters is the Afrocentrist diffusionist (and believer that the Atlanteans were Africans) who “translated” the so-called Fuenta Magne bowl, an allegedly Bolivian artifact that he believes is inscribed with “proto-Sumerian.” (Other fringe writers identify the geometric patterns in the bowl as Sumerian or Phoenician, and it clearly can’t be all three!)
 
Winters’ claims rest on the work of Leo Weiner, who tried to argue in the 1920s that Central American cultures were heavily influenced by medieval Africa. The specific claim of a transatlantic voyage stems from Al-Umari’s Masālik al-abṣār fī mamālik al-amṣār, which reported that the Mansa Musa of Mali had said that his predecessor, Abu Bakr II, had sailed out into the Atlantic in 1311 to find the limits of the ocean and never returned. The passage (which I have posted here for the year 1349) was translated by historian Basil Davidson and printed in Afrocentrist John G. Jackson’s Man, God and Civilization (1972). Davidson’s translation first appeared in a June 7, 1969 article for West Africa magazine called “Africans Before Columbus?”
 
The problem is that citing this source undermines Winters’s thesis. Abu Bakr II set sail sometime around 1311, but the cliff dwellings of the American southwest are several centuries older, as confirmed by dendrochronology studies.
 
The Ancestral Puebloan cliff dwellings date to the late 1100s, and the African cliff dwellings of the Bandiagara Escarpment were constructed by the Tellem people between the ninth and fourteenth centuries. The two sets of constructions are superficially similar, but this is due to the fact that there are only so many ways to pack a full village of mud brick buildings into a cliff face. That said, beyond the superficial aspects, they don’t really look that much alike architecturally.
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Tellem cliff dwellings of the Bandiagara Escarpment. Photo © 2000 JialiangGao / Wikimedia Commons
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Ancestral Pueblo cliff dwellings at Mesa Verde, CO. © 2007 Toby87/ Wikimedia Commons
But if the argument is that Abu Bakr II brought the style to the southwest, he was 150 years too late. And as Abu Bakr’s expedition is the cornerstone of the Afrocentrist argument—the text clearly implying that the Malians had no prior knowledge of the opposite continent—the argument fails on the logic before even considering the facts.
 
Winters’s other evidence is almost laughably bad, from taking Spanish accounts of darker skinned Native people to refer to Africans, to assuming that stick figures must be Malian in origin since Native peoples could not have come up with that artistic achievement on their own!
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Bob Jase
7/5/2016 12:59:13 pm

So what did these voyagers do between the Atlantic coast and the middle of the desert?

Did they just rush through as fast as possible so as not to leave any traces?

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Killbuck
7/5/2016 09:26:08 pm

Apparently yes, like the later day Masonic Vikings who were hell bent on depositing the Kensington Rune Stone in its destined location!

While we are at it, we must be fair to all the other ancient cultures so they too can lay claim to colonizing North America and being smarter than those backward Native Americans. I propose that 11th century Druid proto Illuminati who previously colonized Lemuria, actually carved Mount Rushmore to predict the influence of the future Iroquois Confederacy (because natives were incapable) and this set in motion the course of America. If you conclude that the sculpture was carved in the 20th century, you obviously cannot comprehend the complex code encrypted in George Washington's nose dimensions.

You heard it here first..

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Scott Hamilton
7/5/2016 01:02:22 pm

The Surid pyramid myths occurred to me too when I saw X-Men: Apocalypse. I also wondered if the four horsemen we saw in the pyramid scenes were supposed to be based on the pyramid guardians in the Surid myth, especially as they seemed random and not based on any pre-existing X-Men characters I could discern. Of course there were four horsemen and either three or five pyramid guardians (depending on whether or not you include the North and South pyramids), so they couldn’t map exactly, but they were so poorly defined I’d have to see the movie again to even remember any of their attributes.

You mentioned Apocalypse’s origin and how it goes in the comics, so I thought I’d talk a little about that because it does have a lot to do with Ancient Alien theory. As with any character who was introduced as “mysterious” his origin has been in flux ever since he first appeared.

Apocalypse’s first origin was that he was an incredibly long lived being who predated mankind and used his powers (originally complete control of the molecules that make up his body) to impersonate divinity, and that he had inspired belief in the gods of ancient people. His current appearance, with pipes and robotic armor and such was implied to be him trying appear as an embodiment of technology.

Later Apocalypse was retconned to be a mutant, and that he had been born in ancient Egypt and his story was involved with a time traveller, Rama-Tut, who had built the pyramids.

Early on his base of operations was a ship that had once belonged to the Celestials. The Celestials, created by Jack Kirby for The Eternals series, were explicitly Erich Von Daniken’s space gods. They had jump-started human evolution, destroyed Lemuria and Atlantis, etc. It’s been long hinted that Apocalypse had some deeper connection to the Celestials, and in fact I believe the last time we saw the “real” Apocalypse he had been taken away by the Celestials to fulfill that purpose. That's been dangling ever since.

So yeah, Apocalypse has been involved in all kinds of fringe history, Marvel style.

The bit about comics set in the far future you mention has little to do with his origin, but rather it was revealed in The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix mini that Apocalypse had reached the far future by constantly transferring his consciousness from mutant to mutant. It was later retconned that he was doing that in the present day, and maybe in the deep past. Exactly how Apocalypse’s powers work is a lot less clear now than it used to be, and the movie combined Apocalypse with Farouk (later the Shadow King) from Uncanny X-Men #117, AND added the ability to absorb other mutant’s powers, making things even more confused.

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Killbuck
7/5/2016 09:41:04 pm

Perfectly plausible.

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Clint Knapp
7/6/2016 01:13:09 am

Here I thought I was the only person who ever read that Cyclops and Phoenix miniseries. I actually prefer that vision of Apocalypse to all others. He's less the all-powerful, all-consuming evil of the Four Horsemen era and more a desperate old man clinging to life the only way he knows how. It was a great little story all around, with exceptionally creepy artwork (Nathan on the table fighting the technovirus warping of his body will stick in my head forever).

Haven't seen the movie yet, but that's mostly because I refuse to sit in a theater for three hours and pay too much for concessions. I will say the trailers all gave that distinct ancient astronauts vibe that I expect from the more well-known versions of Apocalypse, though.

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Denise
7/6/2016 02:50:20 pm

The confession of an ex X-man Freak, yes I read the mini series too...

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
7/5/2016 01:20:29 pm

I haven't seen the movie, but it sounds like it's drawing on pop-culture ideas about ancient Egyptian technology. Secret chambers under pyramids are a standard idea in both fringe literature and fiction, and the techno-sarcophagus has popped up in a few places before, notably the Stargate movie. The techno-sarcophagus probably derives from ancient astronaut theories, though I don't know the fringe literature well enough to point to a particular source. If there's a connection between the movie and the Arabic texts, it almost certainly comes through the fringe literature rather than directly.

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Kal
7/5/2016 02:36:34 pm

Marvel and DC love some Ancient Aliens theories. which makes them high fantasy, like the theories, and even the 1990s cartoon of the X Men borrowed from pop culture, right on down to borrowing the Terminator theme for the Days of Futures Past cartoon. The movie was different. Yeah, Apocalypse has been rebooted a few times. The modern one is directly taken from pop culture and fringe culture. I wouldn't have been surprised if Von Danikan had a cameo in the movie.

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Only Me
7/5/2016 04:41:06 pm

Discussion of Apocalypse aside (since his introduction, I've found him to be the most boring villain, ever), I really believe folks like Winters should be forced to explain why it is so important to them to deny Native Americans their due.

It's always the same with these people, regardless of their preferred "-ism"; Native Americans couldn't figure out how to do this, or that, therefore, it just HAD to be someone else from across the ocean that bebopped over and showed them how.

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Killbuck
7/5/2016 09:34:04 pm

....and then determined a giant new hemisphere of vast land and resources was banal and they decided to go home.

Or perhaps, the native peoples were smart enough to kill them off decidedly. My Chippewa-Shoshone wife would approve of that answer.

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Only Me
7/5/2016 09:57:46 pm

Hell, our intrepid adventurers were so unimpressed, they didn't bother to record their journey for posterity. Those that decided to leave something behind chose graffiti and rune stones with messages carved by the least educated member of the party...when such messages obviously weren't meant to be allegorical, of course.


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