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Turkish Chemist Claims Noah Had Nuclear-Powered Ark, Called Son on Cellphone

1/11/2018

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​A Turkish academic who claims to “speak for science” said that Noah used a cellphone to call his son before the Flood and powered the Ark with a nuclear reactor. The latest bizarre pseudoscience out of Turkey comes a year after the Turkish government claimed that the patriarch Abraham’s father built Göbekli Tepe and a couple of years after Turkey’s strongman president claimed that Muslim explorers built a mosque in Cuba long before Columbus visited the island. Such claims are part of a growing religious fundamentalism in the Turkish state, where the secularism of Ataturk has eroded in recent years in favor of Pres. Erdoğan’s policy of Islamization. 
​Yavuz Örnek, 59, teaches marine science at Istanbul University. He was educated in Turkey and here in upstate New York (but of course) at Syracuse University. He is a specialist in organic chemistry and studies algae, but he is also an outspoken opponent of women’s rights, claiming that families break down when women are free and that gender equality must be bad because “the Jews” advocate for it. Speaking on the state-run TRT 1 television network on Saturday, Örnek outlined his strange claims about Noah’s Ark.
 
“There were huge 300 to 400-meter high waves and his [the Prophet Noah’s] son was many kilometers away. The Quran says Noah spoke with his son. But how did they manage to communicate? Was it a miracle? It could be. But we believe he communicated with his son via cell phone,” Örnek said, according to a translation published in the Hürriyet Daily News.
 
The passage Örnek refers to appears in Qur’an 11:42-43: “And the ark swam with them between waves like mountains: and Noah called up to his son, who was separated from him, saying, Embark with us, my son, and stay not with the unbelievers. He answered, I will get on a mountain, which will secure me from the water. Noah replied, There is no security this day from the decree of God, except for him on whom he shall have mercy. And a wave passed between them, and he became one of those who were drowned” (trans. George Sale). As you can see, there is no indication in the text that Noah’s son was kilometers away; rather, the plain reading is that Noah passed him in the Ark and called to him as the ship sailed by him.
 
Örnek also took issue with the Abrahamic article of faith that the Ark was made of wood and rode along atop the waters. Such an account is given in Genesis, though the Quranic version in Sura 11 omits the material the Ark is made from but alludes to the Judeo-Christian account in having Allah refer to “the form and dimensions which we have revealed unto thee.” Later, in 54:13, the Qur’an is specific enough to describe the materials used the make the Ark: “And we bare him on a vessel composed of planks and nails.” Örnek, who is apparently as bad at Quranic study as he is science, decided to replace this clear statement with random fantasy, in this case that Noah built the Ark like an aircraft carrier, made of steel, and then powered it like a submarine with nuclear power.
 
He claims that the birds Noah released were not actually birds but unmanned aerial vehicles.
 
“I am a scientist, I speak for science” Örnek added.
 
I believe that should be “fantasist” and “fantasy.”
 
He said he could prove his claims scientifically, but declined to offer evidence. He conveniently expects us to take the Qur’an literally when it suits him and metaphorically when it does not.
 
What bothers me is that Turkish state media and organs of the Turkish government seem interested in promoting this Ancient Aliens style exploration of the mysteries of the Qur’an, and seem happy to give air time to lunatic ideas that are both godawful science and prima facie bad theology. I don’t know if their intention is to provoke outrage, but the growing government patronage, direct or indirect, in Turkey of nut-job ideas about history is a sure sign of the country’s retreat from modernity and secularism. 
27 Comments
Only Me
1/11/2018 09:42:21 am

Perhaps this an attempt to subvert Western influence? Similar to what Russia did in the 60s and 70s, but with a religious overtone.

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Americanegro
1/11/2018 12:10:34 pm

That guy's a wanker. It's obvious to me that a small party of Hebrews had earlier accompanied a band of Templars to Minnesota where they interbred with the Native Americans and acquired stone canoe technology.

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Clete
1/11/2018 12:53:13 pm

Several things about the Ark have always puzzled me. First, how did Noah keep the meat eating animals from not eating the plant eating animals? Second, animals tend to eat, so that what goes in one end comes out the other. What did Noah do with all the shit? Third, if Noah gathered one of each kind of animal, how did he determine the sex of such animals as mosquitoes, bees and ants?

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Americanegro
1/11/2018 01:47:47 pm

According to the Biblical account of this imaginary event that never happened Noah was commanded to load two of some kinds of animal, and more than two of others onto the Ark.

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Just some guy, you know?
1/13/2018 03:16:47 am

The ones of which Noah was commanded to bring more than two were the clean animals, of which he was required to bring seven. That's not enough to feed all the unclean carnivores, especially the ones hungry from swimming across one or two oceans to some guy in the Levant.

BigNick
1/11/2018 05:14:41 pm

luckily for you, there is Ark Encounters in Kentucky. They can answer all of your questions with their life size, biblically accurate ark. Also, enjoy the biblically accurate laser light show and zip line.

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V
1/11/2018 10:37:22 pm

See, you're obviously not religious enough, or you would know that the answer is a hand-waving "God told the animals to behave."

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Finn
1/30/2018 03:03:05 am

A (sky)wizard did it.

But yes, you raise questions many others have before. Once you delve into it, the sheer diversity of life precludes a Flood. How did freshwater species survive in a saline environment of the single ocean the world was? How did animals with eusocial behaviour survive without the entire colony coming with? Where did he put the beetles alone?

Then they came up with "baraminology", where each "kind" was a single pair, so they only had to have two canids, two felines, two elephants, etc. Which, in the words of a wise beauracrat, "that only raises further questions!". Are gnu a kind, or all antelope a kind? If all antelope a kind, why doesn't the development of over 100 species, from dik-dik and gerenuk, bongo and addax, to eland and gnu, count as evolution? If every of the hundreds of thousands of beetles alive came from a single pair, isn't that MORE evidence for evolution? Or if there are different kinds of beetles, where are the boundary lines? (You will never get an answer - like asking where the boundary between foxes, coyotes and wolves lies).

There's also the infamous Woodmorappe/Peczkis "paper", where he calculated the median size of animals on the Ark was only the same as a rat.
Problem is, he failed to mention that the mean *weight* of those animals was that of a sheep.

Rodents of Unusual Mass indeed.

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Bob Jase
1/11/2018 01:20:53 pm

Its like looking into the future of the US if the fundies/Rethugs keep adding to their political power.

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Americanegro
1/11/2018 01:49:46 pm

"Its like looking into the future of the US if the fundies/Rethugs keep adding to their political power."

Said the teacher in the Charlie Brown cartoons. Wownt Wahhhh.

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Murgatroyd
1/11/2018 05:51:16 pm

What sort of cellphone and contract did Noah have?

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BigNick
1/11/2018 08:16:07 pm

istone x?

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titus pullo
1/11/2018 09:33:45 pm

A good example that someone might be very knowledgeable in one field and totally clueless in another. As an Organic Chemist I would hope he had obtained some level of critical thinking..O chem is pretty hard (I had a year of it) but there you go. which is why I tend to discount "experts" when they go into other fields..and often even their own (in economics and social science especially).

then again, I never thought too highly of SU. The joke was only dumb rich kids went there..bring your fresbee and skis cause you won't be doing much studying..

No Jason it isn't Cornell or hell even IC...ha ha

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T. Franke link
1/12/2018 03:48:21 am

Yes, Turkey is retreating from modernity. How was this possible? Wasn't Turkey a really modern state, with a clear modern state philosophy, implemented by founder Atatürk?

Yes, it was. And a major part of Turkey's society is still clearly preferring modernity.

What had happened?

It clearly was a long process, over a longer period of time. There was no sudden coup of some Islamists, and the current government has indeed the consent of the majority of the Turkish people.

One guess for the reason is, that the birth rate of backward-religious people is significantly higher than the birth rate of modern-religious or non-religious people. And it seems that the growth rate of education and enlightenment (in school and the media) among each next generation could not catch up with the growth rate of unenlightenment brought about by birth rate. -- This should make us all think. Western Europe can fall in the same way.

Another guess is that Islam was not really reformed, in Turkey, but rather suppressed than reformed. There was no such thing like a Second Vatican Council, which marked backward religious ideas as wrong from a theological point of view by highest authorities, but it was more a silencing of backward religious ideas. These silenced ideas were never refuted by theology and highest theological authorities, but only suppressed, so they could have an easy come-back, after suppression ended.

Trump announced that he would strongly support Islamic reformers ... what would really be a good idea and once again the opposite of what Obama did ... but so far I have not seen any action of Trump in this direction.

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T. Franke link
1/12/2018 03:52:06 am

Correction:

Wrong: "... a major part of Turkey's society is still clearly preferring modernity."

It is better to say: "a strong minority" than "a major part".

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Machala
1/12/2018 08:35:00 am

Pres. Erdoğan is doing in Turkey what Trump is attempting to do here. Create a power base that relies on: ignorance and myth; the destruction of liberal and rational thought; tight control of the media; complete denial and suppression of opposing views; use of fundamentalism and fear; and strong arm, bullying tactics to govern. <P>
Turkey, like the United States has far too many gullible citizens who are only too eager to swallow the pseudo-science and mythological babble that passes for religious history. If they believe that Noah had a cellphone and a nuclear powered yacht, then of course, they will take as gospel ( pun intended ) anything Pres. Erdoğan preaches.

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Americanegro
1/12/2018 09:11:51 am

First, ONE big kudos to Jason for including the diacritics (is that the right word in this context?) in his rendering of Turkish names. Those in the know know that the "ğ" in "Erdoğan" is NOT pronounced and it grates on me when news readers, pundits, and politicians pronounce it "Air doe gan".

Osmanlı Turkish was a mess with an alphabet created by the devil himself. One of Atatürk's biggest achievements was reforming the language.

Islam will NEVER be reformed because Muhammad was the Seal of the Prophets (Why not the Dave Matthews of the Prophets?) so it's just the book, the Sunnah and the Hadith (a subtle distinction there) and objectively it's a bunch of nonsense.

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T. Franke link
1/12/2018 03:36:03 pm

@Americanegro:

You have a serious lack of understanding what a religious reform is. Religious reforms are not "bending" religious teachings according to contemporary wishes ... but to correct wrong developments which occured over time, and to bring back religion to its original meaning.

In case of Islam, there is a huge amount of wrong ideas which developed after Muhammad, including the alleged biography of Muhammad, with a lot of atrocities which never happened. To realize this would be a good starting point for a reform of Islam which brings Islam back to its true roots: Justice and Mercy.

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Americanegro
1/13/2018 05:03:18 pm

Serious lack of understanding says what? I am a longtime student of Islam and read Arabic. Islam is not about Justice and Mercy, it LITERALLY means "Submission". You can keep raping your Turkish "guestworkers" in the Land of the Jewkillers" but I will just keep telling the truth.

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Americanegro
1/13/2018 06:16:59 pm

And it bears adding that the "original meaning" of all religions, without exception is "How can I set up a scheme to get sex with twelve year old girls?"

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T. Franke link
1/14/2018 08:19:16 am

@Americanegro:

Your expertise is really convincing .... /irony-off

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Americanegro
1/14/2018 03:28:47 pm

The image of the Hitler Youth (HitlerJugend) laying out in the fields and masturbating to the SkyGod is wonderful.

The Anonymous Nerd
1/16/2018 06:52:24 pm

Where was Noah's phone tower?

-The Anonymous Nerd

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Machala
1/16/2018 07:21:29 pm

At the Tower of Babel ?

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Bob Jase
1/16/2018 10:04:07 pm

In the Everest Valley in Proto-Tibet.

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Jim
1/16/2018 10:34:44 pm

Is the Newport tower that old ?

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Americanegro
1/18/2018 12:31:48 am

It's a fish smokery, I tell you! And a tannery! Do not taunt Happy Newport Fun Tower.


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