According to Den of Geek, Luis Elizondo of To the Stars alleges that there were two different Pentagon programs. The broader was Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Applications, which explored all manner of paranormal and demonic activity. Within AAWSAP was the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, which focused on UFOs. According to Elizondo, Christian conservatives shut down AAWSAP for fear of demons, leaving only AATIP, which was less likely to summon Satan accidentally. And I am writing this as though any of this is a normal thing for the military to do. If even half of these claims are true, we need to purge the military of all its paranormal-believing idiots.
While it is disturbing to see all of the information laid out in one article, we have long known that Hal Puthoff, working variously for the government, Robert Bigelow, and To the Stars, has consistently pushed the government to explore supernatural phenomena. Bigelow folded his research into the Skinwalker Ranch “phenomena” into the research done for the Pentagon as part of its UFO tracking program, for which Bigelow was the primary contractor. Indeed, Elizondo told Den of Geek that AAWSAP was created specifically to fund research into Skinwalker Ranch’s alleged interdimensional poltergeists. We know from the recent Hunt for the Skinwalker documentary that the Skinwalker Ranch hunt produced no evidence of otherworldly phenomena, though the researchers involved were nevertheless convinced that the “entities” were simply too crafty to leave any trace of their existence.
But the second article, in which Nick Redfern also discussed the role of Christian conservatives in limiting military paranormal studies for fear of demons, was more interesting for how it dovetails into information that Puthoff’s former paranormal research partner and current “metamaterials” investigative partner Jacques Vallée had to say about exactly where the Pentagon was getting its batshit ideas about demons and flying saucers.
Redfern writes that Linda Moulton Howe of Ancient Aliens received a letter back in the 1990s from two men who allegedly worked on one of the Pentagon programs dedicated to contacting demons or ghosts, which they termed “Non-Human Entities.” The two men read Howe’s book Glimpses of Other Realities and felt compelled to send her a fan letter in 1994. According to Redfern, part of the letter read this way:
Our misguided program directors cling to the false belief that we can control or manipulate the NHEs, when in actuality, the reverse is occurring – we are the ones being manipulated and deceived. […] The ultimate diversionary tactic to this point (and diversions will begin to increase in frequency, degree of strangeness, and in a more overt fashion, visible to greater numbers of observers) is the UFO abduction scenario. The concept of these events, real though they are, being the result of extraterrestrial beings is a masterful piece of disinformation to divert attention away from the real source of the NHEs. Our information as to the true nature of these events does not negate the possibility of extraterrestrial life. But the causal source of the UFO and UFO abduction phenomena is not extraterrestrial. […] Your comments and thoughts (in Glimpses of Other Realities) concerning ancient civilizations and their contacts with the NHEs need to be considered in light of the bigger picture of the deception of mankind as a whole. If this grand deception is taking the course it seems to be, then it makes complete sense to analyze the false gods of ancient civilizations in light of the current level of deception. It is only logical that given their non-human, other-dimensional nature, the NHEs would be able to foresee the need to establish a foundational base, the facts of which could be slightly twisted, or distorted, by the fog of antiquity and forgotten cultural distinctiveness, to seemingly establish themselves as the bringers of all good things to humanity. Explore [Jacques] Vallee’s Passport to Magonia again, for more close parallels between the ‘faerie’ manifestation of the NHEs, and current events. Dr. Vallee was so close to the truth of the situation, with the exception that the ultimate manipulators are not human.
Normally, I would simply discount the whole thing as made up garbage, but the theoretical background the alleged defense officials describe is basically the same one developed by Jacques Vallée and Hal Puthoff in the 1970s. Puthoff helped to push those ideas onto the Pentagon, and the letter is sadly consistent with what we know of Puthoff’s research interests and government efforts to explore Puthoff’s vision of interdimensional poltergeist tricksters.
The reference to Passport to Magonia recalls what Vallée wrote in early 1973 when Hal Puthoff discussed with him an early effort to shape Pentagon UFO/space ghost policies:
Hal has spoken to other “Government officials in a position to discover the true state of affairs” about UFOs. They told him that people who recently saw strange objects in the sky in the Southwest had only been watching classified prototypes. However they also conceded that there were “true” saucers. Hal said his high-level contacts walked around with UFO books in their briefcases, particularly mine. I found this depressing: Doesn’t that imply that they know less than I do?
I am bothered by the consistency of reports that a faction of Christian military brass are afraid of demons and that another faction of UFO-hunters are in thrall to the works of the ancient astronaut/Ancient Aliens shared universe.
Nearly half a century after Vallée wrote, we still seem to have government officials mistaking pseudoscience and fringe history books for serious revelations, and I am worried that Ancient Aliens influences Pentagon UFO research as much as Fox & Friends shapes the president’s morning agenda.
5/23/2019 08:55:40 am
I dunno, I think it's more likely than ever that the whole Collins Elite thing is just a hoax concocted by Ray Boeche, Redfern's original source. Notice how the letter to LMH mentions Boeche's "obvious abilities as an astute researcher." Who talks like that, other than about themselves?
5/23/2019 11:58:27 am
Well, the reason why I don't think Ray hoaxed all this includes the following: why would Ray fabricate it in the first place? It's hardly as if Ray promoted the story to a great degree. He did a couple of lectures that mentioned it, and referenced it in a lengthy paper he wrote way back in the 90s.
Not all a hoax
5/23/2019 12:06:00 pm
You mean to say there's something in the UFO rubbish that "is not a hoax"?
5/23/2019 03:15:34 pm
5/23/2019 03:26:00 pm
5/23/2019 05:39:48 pm
Heh. Redfern leads with "why would Ray fabricate it in the first place?" As if there aren't a zillion PROVEN hoaxes that don't have obvious motives. He could have made it up just to promote his personal view of UFOs. And if the Collins Elite story didn't do much to promote Boeche, all that proves that he wasn't great at promoting himself. Or that his activities with MUFON had burned too many bridges with the rest of the UFOlogy community.
5/23/2019 06:00:40 pm
5/23/2019 08:31:43 pm
Not all promoting this sort of UFO nonsense are perpetrating a hoax. No, most of them are simply imbeciles.
Why would they fabricate?
5/24/2019 01:05:38 am
This has been repeated zillions of times over zillions of years.
Stumbled on This Site
5/26/2019 09:36:31 am
"Ray did very little to publicly promote the meeting he had in 1991 with the 2 DoD guys. I had to interview him to get the story."
Stumbled on This Site
5/26/2019 12:22:37 pm
"Founder and former director of the Fortean Research Center, The Reverend Dr. Raymond W. Boeche has been involved in the study of unexplained phenomena since 1965. He has served as Nebraska State Director for the Mutual UFO Network, on the Board of Advisors for Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, and in various capacities with numerous other organizations around the world, involved in the study of unexplained phenomena. Boeche has delivered juried papers at two MUFON International Symposia; was retained by the University of Nebraska as a consultant to organize, host, and present research papers at two major international conferences on the unexplained in 1982 and 1983. He has had numerous articles published, as well 4 books: a collection of his writings, "An Anthology of the Unexplained"; "The Collected Annals of the Journal of the Fortean Research Center"; "Bloodless Cuts: The Complete Collected Works of Thomas R. Adams"; and "A Time to Stand: When Government Turns Its Back on God." Boeche is well-known as one of the primary investigators of the 1980 Bentwaters (UK) UFO incident. He is also recognized for his extensive work in the areas of animal mutilations, out-of-place animal sightings, Bigfoot reports, the Men-in-Black phenomenon, and occult religions and philosophies. His research has often been cited in national publications such as Omni and Fate magazine, and in books by researchers such as Loren Coleman, Janet and Colin Bord, Jenny Randles, Jerome Clark, Timothy Good, and others. He has contributed to the Time-Life book series Mysteries of the Unexplained, the LBS Communications production "UFO Coverup. . . Live!" for the Fox Television Network, and Guennette Productions’ Home Box Office special, "UFO’s, What on Earth is Happening?" He helped produce and host a popular weekly radio call-in talk show, Exploring Unexplained Phenomena for three years, is a frequent guest on other talk shows, and a popular speaker on theology and the unexplained."
5/28/2019 09:10:52 am
Stumbled On This Site
5/28/2019 09:39:04 am
So contrary to your claim, it did not take you interviewing him to get the story out. When you present a paper you're PUBLISHING.
5/28/2019 11:18:11 am
Stumbled on This Site
5/28/2019 12:31:11 pm
Did you interview "most people in ufology"? I suspect not.
5/28/2019 01:52:55 pm
Nope, I'm not being an idiot. What I'm doing is demonstrating that Ray is not a hoaxer. There's nothing in his approach to even suggest he created the story out of thin air
Stumbled On This Site
5/28/2019 10:03:04 pm
Which is more likely, that he would admit he made something up or that you would admit you're being an idiot?
5/29/2019 09:46:34 am
Which is more likely? Neither, of course!!
11/7/2019 08:12:45 am
So, the idea that little grey men from outer space is perfectly rational, but that the UFO phenomenon is a supernatural demonic hoax meant to deceive humanity is “bonkers”. It all comes down to a question of faith. If you believe there is no God, UFOs driven by aliens from other planets are your substitute. If you believe there is a God, it’s easy to understand that there is an enemy who deceives humanity with substitutes for God. The warnings of high ranking officials of the demonic nature of the UFO phenomenon need to be heeded. There are no aliens, but there is an enemy trying to convince you there is no God.
5/23/2019 09:04:05 am
"...we need to purge the military of all its paranormal-believing idiots."
5/23/2019 10:33:53 am
No of course he can't because he has no idea what he is talking about in this case. Jason usually does a pretty good job at being a skeptic, but on certain topics the mask slips and he reveals his ideological bent which can overcome his better judgement.
Demons in the military
5/23/2019 10:42:58 am
Of course Demons are not an official part of the military.
5/23/2019 11:18:55 am
The cold war was a crazy time. General Patton had some funny personal beliefs as well, but this doesn't mean he should've been "purged." And in any event these examples don't reflect on the military as a whole or even the senior leadership of the military. Like broader society there will be crack-pots and some will even on occasion succeed professionally.
DEMONS IN THE MILITARY
5/23/2019 11:45:35 am
Project Stargate was the military.
5/29/2019 01:02:51 am
"In addition to alleged security violations from uncleared civilian psychics working in Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities (SCIFs), Stubblebine offended then-U.S. Army Chief of Staff General John Adams Wickham, Jr. by offering to perform a spoon-bending feat at a formal gala; Wickham associated such phenomena with Satanism."
5/31/2019 08:01:36 am
Let's start at the top
Puff the Magic Dragon
5/23/2019 09:20:49 am
Please, please Mister Redfern return to this blog. At least your rambling, half conceived ideas and excuses are at the very least interesting. Then, after being insulted for being a moron you will at least reply by challenging your tormentors to a fight in your favorite gay bar.
What about Albert Stubblebine
5/23/2019 09:45:36 am
This is really very funny because the Roman Catholic church still officially believes in devils and exorcisms.
Hal Puthoff was a true believe
5/23/2019 10:05:34 am
Hal Puthoff seriously believed in Uri Geller's parlour tricks that were lampooned by the late British comedian Tommy Cooper.
5/23/2019 10:26:04 am
I have personally witnessed two orbs of light. An energy bubble would be a more apt description. About the size of my balled fist, milky-blue in color, and resembled a high-speed lava lamp. Whatever energy was inside that bubble, it would turn dark blue as soon as it hit the membrane and fall back to the interior. Eventually it shot up through the ceiling, not leaving a burn, or trace of any kind. This was in the library of my fraternity house.
5/23/2019 10:29:18 am
anomalous aerial phenomena is truly a boring subject matter that can never be scientifically analysed because it cannot be captured.
5/23/2019 10:43:05 pm
What brands this story as fake is the detail of a fraternity house having a library.
5/24/2019 10:37:43 am
"Library" is what the room was called. No books. Just a pool table, some display cases, and a computer.
5/26/2019 03:26:23 pm
"Ever hear of the "Horton Spook Light"?"
5/31/2019 12:56:57 pm
ACC-WIS - Cool stories. I saw something similar once myself. I'm a geologist by profession and I've read up quite a bit on the Marfa Lights and the Hesdalen Lights and they seem to be some sort of plasma (orb?) related to the local geological situation - possibly also to accumulated stresses in the rocks. The resulting strain in the rock body may be somehow generating the plasma (if that's what it is.) The Hesdalen lights have been studied for quite some time by some credible folks. It's been awhile since I looked at it so may have changed.
6/1/2019 09:09:09 pm
6/1/2019 10:34:21 pm
I have attempted to see the Horton Spook Light. Apparently, I was in the wrong area. Locals like to lead "outsiders" astray. Mainly due to some disrespectful people who had damaged property, and trespassed. My friends, and I always stuck to public roads. I forget whom but, some University has begun a new study.
6/2/2019 03:37:42 am
"I forget" and "I am unaware". The cornerstones of rhetoric!
6/2/2019 10:04:26 am
Fish Meet Barrel
6/3/2019 08:20:31 am
"11/29/2018 11:02:21 am
5/23/2019 03:11:57 pm
Unless they were a Flag Officer, anyone from the military who wrote a letter in 1994 has likely left or retired.
5/23/2019 04:56:25 pm
When I interviewed Ray Boeche about all of this in 2007, he told me that when he met the 2 guys in 1991 (28 years ago) he estimated they were in their mid-fifties. So, if they were 55 in 1991, that would put them in their early eighties now. Definitely not still working, and maybe even croaked.
You've been factchecked
5/26/2019 08:25:58 pm
While exceptions have been made, mandatory retirement age applies to flag and general officers.
5/23/2019 04:01:51 pm
There is someone who is often very much overlooked when it comes to the demonic side of all this. It's Dr. Nelson Pacheco – a former Principal Scientist with the Supreme Headquarters, Allied Powers, Europe (SHAPE), Technical Center.
5/23/2019 04:46:42 pm
There are other similar rubbish
5/23/2019 06:14:28 pm
5/23/2019 09:28:59 pm
Is Nick Redfern the guy who threatens to punch people?
5/24/2019 03:08:30 pm
Threatens yes. Actually doing it no. He would probably run from any real conflict except perhaps from a six year old cripple, elderly wheel chair bound cancer patients and the newly deceased.
An Anonymous Nerd
5/23/2019 09:34:45 pm
Many of the reactions to this piece are curious.
The reason why the stories are invented
5/24/2019 01:08:52 am
The reason why the stories are invented in the first place is to pull the likes of Nick Redfern. Simple explanation. And Nick profits in the process from selling books and the process continues.
5/24/2019 04:54:49 pm
Mrs, Miss. or Mr. "The Reason...," you are wrong. Here's why:
5/24/2019 11:36:18 pm
Blimey, here's me thinking that it was all regarded as demonic by some people long before 1991
5/26/2019 08:33:59 pm
To say thet some military are Christians and that they believe UFOs are demons is just inevitable.
5/26/2019 08:53:15 pm
Dude, Christians believed in UFOs in the middle ages. Make a point or begone.
5/26/2019 09:49:54 pm
The 'demonic' interpretation is more recent. UFOs is a modern term. Angels were not 'unidentified' in the middle-ages.
5/29/2019 01:56:03 pm
Wow! The vitriol displayed here is incredible.
5/29/2019 02:07:24 pm
Dude, you're defending a ghost-hunting charlatan on a website for skeptics. What are you... an imbecile?
5/29/2019 03:40:41 pm
Do you even know what "skeptic" means? Certainly, most people who commented on this thread are not balanced skeptics; their words and approach makes that very clear. They immediately suggested (directly or in couched fashion) that Ray hoaxed it. That's not the approach of a skeptic, as the word is defined.
5/29/2019 05:00:47 pm
Well, I often chide some here, including our host, who believe themselves to be skeptics who allow their politics to dictate their biases... but so long as we're okay with the whole ghost-hunting charlatan thing, I'll give you your due.
5/30/2019 10:20:07 am
5/30/2019 10:56:07 am
Finally. Somebody gets me...
Stumbled on this Site
5/30/2019 01:52:07 am
5/30/2019 10:18:08 am
5/30/2019 10:59:30 am
UFO's are simply phenomena for which identification is sought. Nothing more. Nothing less. Demons need not apply.
Stumbled on this Site
5/30/2019 11:39:27 am
Is suggests a long con and there's no reason to believe the the bizarre belief in flying demons is confined to only one generation of government workers or contractors.
5/30/2019 11:44:46 am
10/27/2020 01:17:11 am
Seeking information on Lt. Gen. Frank Early USMC/retired as relates to white paper prepared for DOD, on above subject matter, aprx '96-98...I believe he had it outsourced or could have been presented pseudonymously. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you, in advance.
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