UPDATE: Tucker Carlson Doubles Down on Demon UFOs and "Spiritual" Attacks

12/21/2023

Last week, I discussed an interview in which influential conservative pundit and potential 2024 vice presidential or 2028 presidential candidate Tucker Carlson appeared to suggest that he believes UFOs are demons. Carlson stated that what he learned about UFOs was so “dark” that it disturbed him and he refused to share it with his wife. While many Carlson fans attempted to excuse his comments with scholastic nitpicking to argue that the “spiritual” aspect of UFOs he referred to did not mean UFOs were demonic, in new comments Carlson is much more direct.

Carlson explicitly stated that “It’s my personal belief based on a fair amount of evidence that they’re not aliens. They’ve always been here, and I do think it’s spiritual,” Carlson said in a podcast interview yesterday. He went on to describe supernatural forces holding humanity captive on a prison planet. “There are forces that aren’t human that do exist in a spiritual realm of some kind, that we cannot see, and that when you think about it, will sorta make you think we live in an ant farm.” Carlson added that “informed people” said that the U.S. government has an “agreement” with these entities. Although Carlson declined an opportunity to explicitly name the entities as demons, his description leaves little doubt that he envisions them somewhere on a continuum between Richard Shaver’s Deros and the Nephilim-Watchers of Genesis 6 and the Book of Enoch.

Carlson’s crackpot theology is straight out of the Book of Enoch, where God permitted the souls of the Nephilim killed in the Flood to return to Earth as demons to attack and oppress errant humanity.

From Carlson’s statements, and the fact that he is known to consort with Lue Elizondo, David Grusch, and Garry Nolan, it is a trivial matter to conclude that the secret revelation that the UFO advocates who have the ear of Congress have steadfastly refused to say in public is more-or-less the Shaver Mystery. Whether their preferred version bends more toward the original flavor Nephilim Theory (the preference of ancient astronaut theorists) or the newer nonsense of Scientology (favored by ex-Scientologists turned UFO advocates Hal Puthoff and Danny Sheehan), the contours of the story are the same, and just as fictitious, as they have ever been: that in primeval times a supernaturally powerful race of non-human intelligences gave rise to the human race, exercises secret control over our souls, and is hidden away deep in the earth and under the sea, offering incredible knowledge but at the price of spiritual corruption. Both Carlson and some of the Nolan/Elizondo faction lean toward saying the being have always been here and are not aliens suggesting a closer affiliation to the Shaver Mystery and Nephilim Theory than to Scientology, where the thetans originated as space aliens.

That a leading contender for high office and one of the most influential figures on the right believes in some variation of Nephilim Theory is depressing. That a powerful network of advocates has infiltrated both political parties to spread ancient mythology as though it were scientific revelation, and government and media cheer them on is terrifying. In 1947, the FBI investigated Richard Shaver and concluded that his wild claims gave rise to the mythology of flying saucers. It turns out the FBI was right all along.

16 Comments

Book of Enoch

12/21/2023 03:59:20 pm

Written between the Old Testament and the New Testament and began life while Judea were under Greek Occupation. A continuation of the Book of Daniel. The Ufologists should get their facts straight.

Doc Rock

12/21/2023 07:13:52 pm

Never understood the appeal of Tucker whom I have been forced to watch on more than a few occasions while doing a nightcap at some of the more "rustic" watering holes that I frequent. At least some of the other Fox talking heads are moderately amusing, easy on the eyes, or can focus on non-Nephilim related topics unless they bring up such nonsense with tongues planted firmly in cheek.

Kent

12/23/2023 12:31:35 pm

Ah, yes, the ol' 8 pm nightcap! My gramps was fond of them just before he died.

MADD

12/30/2023 12:47:50 pm

R.I.P. Grandpa Herbert.

Require N Made

12/21/2023 11:38:54 pm

All this is familiar to any of us who listen to overnight talk radio, cable television, or popular paranormal podcasts. Carlson's belief resembles John Keel's Ultra terrestrial Hypothesis favored by Jacques Vallee and others. L. A. Marzulli said he agrees with Jacques Vallee. We know about how Jacques Vallee became friends with former Scientologist Hal Puthoff at Stanford, the nexus of the fringe. Could explain why Vallee's ideas resemble Scientology and Theosophy. L. A. Marzulli seems to have incorporated Serpent Seed Theology into the mix, same as Steve Quayle and Tom Horn. Yuck! Larry Warren incorporated similar stuff into his tabloid version of whatever happened in the forest near Air Force bases in England in December 1980, contradicting the other witnesses' accounts. The idea of a "prison planet" probably originated in Charles Fort's Book of the Damned in which he said, "We are someone else's property."
Basically, what is now called the Farm Hypothesis as was favored by Robert Monroe. George Knapp asked Ray Bouche about Fort's quote, and Bouche agreed, saying he believes G-d is the owner. Remember when Ray Bouche told Nick Redfern about the Collins Elite, and Nick Redfern wrote the book Final Events. Lue Elizondo seemed to confirm the existence of the Collins Elite or something similar. Lue Elizondo also talked about the prison planet idea and the Farm Hypothesis reminding some writers about the book Alien Interview by Lawrence E. Spencer, another former Scientologist. The book is obviously Scientology fan fiction like a sequel to L. Ron Hubbard's OTIII Space Opera. L. Ron Hubbard said, "the last Martian report station on Earth was established in the Pyrenees."
Scientologist remote viewer Pat Price claimed to have viewed a base in one mountain in the Pyrenees, in addition to three others in mountains in other ranges on Earth. The idea that the U.S. Government has an agreement with entities is obviously the Edwards Agreement, Project Sigma, the Tau 9 Treaty, the Treaty of Grenada, or whatever you want to call it. Makes no sense why technologically advanced entities would need government permission to abduct people or livestock since nobody can do anything about it, unless the entities were like monsters bound by magic rules in folklore. Allen H. Greenfield said he met Richard Shaver. Ever heard of Allen H. Greenfield? Allen H. Greenfield is the author of Secret Cipher of the Ufonauts and Secret Rituals of the Men in Black. We know how closely the Shaver Mystery resembles Theosophy. The story of the fallen Watchers of Genesis and Enoch seem similar if not identical to the Titans of Greek mythology.
Did anybody else other than Red Pill Junkie realize Marvel's Eternals created by Jack Kirby tell the same story Richard Shaver and Ray Palmer told in the Shaver Mystery? Hoped more would have noticed how the beliefs of Carlson, Nolan, and Elizondo seem similar to Marvel's Eternals when that movie was released.

A Buddhist

12/24/2023 05:43:47 am

>The story of the fallen Watchers of Genesis and Enoch seem similar if not identical to the Titans of Greek mythology.

How are they similar? The titans were the ruling gods who were overthrown by the offspring of 1 titan. The titans, as far as I know, are not said to have taught humans anything. The watchers were lesser gods (fallen angels) who were defeated by a greater god (YHWH) after having taught to humans various things.

12/31/2023 01:02:26 am

Sorry for the delay in responding. Somehow appropriate we have this exchange of comments during the winter holidays, the time of year when ancient Romans celebrated the Titan Saturn/Cronus, the deity of harvest, perhaps ancestral memory of paleolithic times when cave dwelling people hunted and harvested without plowing and planting as people began to do after the invention of agriculture. You said, "The Titans, as far as I know, are not said to have taught humans anything."
Was Prometheus a Titan? A quick web search confusingly says both yes and no. Either way, Prometheus was the son of the Titan Iapetus. Perhaps I was wrong to think the story of Prometheus stealing fire, giving it to humans, and teaching them metallurgy was somehow similar to the story of fallen Watchers teaching metallurgy and other arts to humans.
The goddess of witchcraft Hekate, usually called the daughter of the Titans Asteria and Persis, was the only Titan to retain her control under Zeus's reign, likely because she fought on the side of the Olympians against the Titans and Giants. Did Hekate teach magic to humans? All the Watchers in Genesis and Enoch are male, as are all angels in the Bible. The idea of a deity teaching magic to humans seems similar to the story of fallen Watchers teaching forbidden arts to humans.
The story of The Titans being imprisoned in Tartarus seems similar to the biblical narrative in which fallen angels are cast into a bottomless pit. On Coast to Coast AM, L. A. Marzulli actually said Jesus visited fallen angels in Tartarus after he was crucified and before he was resurrected. Honestly, I do not trust L.A. Marzulli, especially after fixing Jason's blog. Hearing L. A. Marzilli call the bottomless pit Tartarus made the similarities between Greek mythology and biblical stories obvious.
Over two years ago, Derek Gilbert said Saturn/Cronus was the fallen Watcher Samyaza mentioned in the Book of Enoch.
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2021-12-18-show/
Earlier in May 2021, Derek Gilbert literally said the Titans were the Watchers.
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2021-05-22-show/
Clearly, some folks think the Titans were the Watchers, so the idea seems to persist and proliferate. Obviously there are plenty more examples of the ancient tradition of religious folk demonizing deities of other cultures. Anyway, have a Happy New Year!

12/31/2023 08:02:39 pm

As the Tittie Pittie Tittaka teaches us, it's curious that people forget that the Titans PRECEDED all the gods of Greek mythology, therefore also the "events" of the book of Enoch. The demotion, derogration, delegation, dare I say denigration of Enoch to the Apocrypha was a straight up white man Mr. Charlie move: "Put the crazy stuff with the Negroes." Similarly we see Israel's buyer's remorse with the Falashas. Oh, Israel, you scamp! Free Soviet jewelry!

On C-SPAN just yesterday I was informed by a history professor that Moses was a slave. It will be left as an exercise for the reader to guess the professor's shade. MY Bible says Moses was an Egyptian prince. What a stupid whore that "professor" was, lying about the most available book in the universe. Of course the Bible is fiction, including the Apocrypha, but still, does no one do kayfabe anymore?.

Nomarch obvious

1/2/2024 03:11:50 pm

Moses was supposed to have been born a slave. He had to run for his life after killing an Egyptian who sounds like the equivalent of a Taco Bell shift supervisor.

Seems like he was a prince and member of the royal family in the same way that Michael Oher was a full fledged member of the Tuohy clan.

Charles Verrastro

12/31/2023 02:00:37 pm

Hate to intrude in UFO folklore threads for movie criticism (although I know Jason loves it). But, like the comic run it was based on, the so-called Eternals seemed to drop like flies at the drop of a hat. They didn't even seem very powerful even by earthly superhero team standards.
Both DC and Marvel tended to create very anthropomorphic characters like the Beyonder, the Tribunal, Galactus, and other primeval cosmic Gods that were supposedly all powerful and yet could be fought to a standstill by a team that included an archer.

Bob Jase

12/22/2023 09:45:13 am

God sure runs a sloppy universe what with permitting demons to be everywhere./

Clete

12/23/2023 10:49:35 am

I really think that before Tucker Carlson left the factory that the final inspection should have made sure that the brain was correctly installed and working.

Corey

12/23/2023 03:52:12 pm

It makes sense the Carlson would endorse the "demons are oit to get us" idea because his base is largely radicalized Evangelical Christians and "spiritual warfare" (where they have to fight demons who are out to possess us, control us and ultimately take us to hell) is an article of faith among many strains of Evangelicals.

1/2/2024 06:44:38 pm

Loathe as I am to say, but both you and Kent are right. Moses was a born Jew, but adopted into the royal household (but not as a Prince in line of Royal succession). However, the Bible makes it clear he made a deliberate identification with his Jewishness in becoming their spokesman (sort of- with Aaron as a middleman-, the old mumble mouth thing) for the enslaved Jews. This is reiterated in several places. "Let my people go", remember?
Pharaoh dealt with him as such, or he wouldn't have dealt with him.

Sol

1/4/2024 01:44:18 pm

One would have to be clear on what source(s) they are using to describe the story of Moses. Is it the earliest texts, the King James version of the Bible, the movie The Ten Commandments, or half-remembered Sunday School lessons?

WWTS= What would Tucker say?

1/6/2024 11:54:55 am

My comments were based on my theological training in seminary school, knowledge of Latin and Greek, and at least a working knowledge of relevant Biblical Aramaic and Hebrew terminology. The story of Moses and Pharaoh is told in detail, including their motivations. Moses identified with the Jewish people after the incident of the murder of the harsh overseer. Early historians of the ilk of Josephus, early Christian authorities, but more precisely the in depth explication of verses by Rabbinic and Talmudic sources make it clear Moses was protected by his adoption into the Royal household, but sacrificed it by killing an officer of the Pharaoh and seeking refuge outside Egypt. Appearing with Aaron as leaders of the Jewish slaves cemented his status and identification with them.

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