For a show that almost literally no one watched—averaging only around 500,000 viewers across its four-episode run, fewer than syndicated reruns of off-network sitcoms—Megan Fox’s Legends of the Lost has inspired a lot of discussion and upset online, particularly around the question of Viking women warriors. Frankly, I find this to be the least interesting “mystery” on Fox’s show, but it raises a fascinating question about archaeological vs. historical knowledge and how an idea does or does not become a consensus concept in the creation of our story of the past.
The proximate cause of this post is a recent Twitter thread by bioarchaeologist Dr. Cat Jarman, who appeared on Legends and defended her appearance, arguing that the program offered facts about Viking life not otherwise seen on TV, which forgives the mystical and New Age claptrap used to sensationalize those facts.
She did not comment on later episodes advocating claims that Native Americans are non-human hybrids or that a comet destroyed an Atlantis-like civilization or that Stonehenge has magic powers—all presumably forgivable because the show contained 15 minutes of facts amidst the extremist claptrap.
In her thread, Jarman said that critics (such as me) were wrong to suggest that the existence of Viking women warriors is “accepted” by scholars. “Simply not true,” she says. Here, though, is where the interesting problem comes in to play. My concern wasn’t as much for current scholarly consensus as the claim the show made that the idea of Viking women warriors is “new.” As I pointed out, in the 1800s through to the middle twentieth century, the claim was frequent, if not universal, in history books and received lengthy treatment in at least one major scholarly study of Viking life. The claim therefore is not “new” in any real sense—being in print for a century. Today, revisionists use the same evidence, supplemented by new archaeological findings, to reach the same conclusions. So why was this knowledge “forgotten”? Here we come to a crossroads in the question of how to interpret the past. For many archaeologists, the prewar scholarship on Viking women is of dubious value because it relies on textual evidence, much of it relatively late, which cannot be taken at face value. Reliance on Norse mythology, Icelandic sagas, runic inscriptions, and historical reports from non-Viking peoples formed the basis of nineteenth and early twentieth century views of women in Viking culture. Indeed, when the feminist scholar Mary Wilhelmine Williams wrote a chapter on Viking women in her 1920 book on medieval Scandinavian life, her evidence came primarily from these categories of data, namely the sagas and also references to medieval laws and customs. Prof. Harold Williams, who defended Fox and challenged by evaluation of her show, considers this evidence to be, basically, “pseudohistory,” as he told me on Twitter yesterday. For him, and for Jarman and others, archaeological evidence is of much greater importance. But what remains interesting is that modern studies of Viking women still rely on the same evidence that Mary Wilhelmine Williams gathered in 1920. For example, Judith Jesch’s 1991 book Women in the Viking Age, the first major full-length study of the subject in the postwar era, devoted one chapter to archaeological evidence, another to runic inscriptions, and six chapters to medieval documents, myths, legends, and sagas. Jesch, of course, recognized that medieval texts cannot be taken literally, but like Williams before her, she understood that cultural information is embedded such accounts even if they are not literally true. She also hit upon a very important fact in the changing relationship between history and archaeology. She noted that the sagas and other medieval texts were long believed to be based on genuine history but in the middle twentieth century had come to be seen as fantasies, a point she did not fully challenge even while mining the sagas for cultural data. This change in perception is something we have previously encountered in the case of the Viking colonization of North America. Similarly, the sagas were long believed to record genuine accounts of Viking excursions to Vinland, somewhere along the Canadian or New England coast, and as such were accepted as evidence of a Viking presence in North America down to the war years. Consult school textbooks from the era, and you will see how widespread this acceptance was, even with caveats about the challenges of accepting poems as sources. But with the changing attitude toward the use of literary sources in writing history in the postwar years, scholars came to doubt the accounts—until the unearthing of a Norse site at L’Anse aux Meadows proved that the sagas (and non-saga accounts like that of Adam of Bremen) reflected a historical reality. And yet, each time archaeology confirms a literary account, the literary account is retroactively promoted back to evidence in support of the archaeology. Something similar happened with Greek mythology. For a long time, Greek myths were taken to be accurate reflections of life in the Heroic Age, or what we would call the Bronze Age, and the Trojan War (the subject of another of Fox’s shows) was routinely included as a historical event. But then the authority of these old histories collapsed with the expansion of archaeological knowledge, and the myths were largely dismissed as so many stories, only vaguely connected to real events and people. Then, Martin Nilsson reevaluated the oldest data in Greek myths in his Mycenaean Origins of Greek Mythology (1932) and was able to demonstrate that, irrespective of whether the myths recorded literal truths about Bronze Age battles, they accurately recorded the Mycenaean geographic landscape, to the point that he could use mentions of places in myths and legends to predict the location of heretofore unexcavated Mycenaean palace sites. The decipherment of the hieroglyphs proved that Manetho’s account of the kings of Egypt—and not the romantic chronologies and histories told by Herodotus or the medieval Arab historians—was largely correct. In the same vein, the discovery of the Ugarit tablets demonstrated that Sanchuniathon’s account of Phoenician mythology was, as early scholars believed and later ones doubted, an accurate, if Hellenized, account of otherwise undocumented Phoenician mythological beliefs. The trouble, of course, is that for every example like these, we have to contrast them with widespread acceptance of Biblical history, where myths, legends, and stories from the Bible have been treated as true, even in the face of a lack of archaeological evidence for them. Biblical narratives appear in many nineteenth and early twentieth century texts as incontrovertible truths, and even in the modern era, they still frequently receive deferential treatment, particularly in popular histories. Somewhat similarly, many books casually repeat sensational stories from Greek and Roman historians, and also the medieval Arab historians, even when there is no evidence that these accounts are actually true. It’s certainly the case that the use of textual evidence is problematic, but no more so—and probably less so—than the use of oral histories, which have changed much more than medieval texts over the centuries. The Victorians and their successors were often led astray by an overreliance on textual sources without archaeology to back them up. In the 1830s, Carl Rafn, for example, was so taken with his insight that the sagas recorded a voyage to North America that he over-interpreted colonial and Native American archaeological sites as Norse to support his (mostly correct) conclusions from the literary evidence. On the other hand, when the literary evidence that Biblical narrative of the Flood was likely not the original version of the story was in plain sight, recorded in the fragments of the Babylonian priest Berossus, Western scholars refused to believe it, claiming Berossus copied from God’s Truth, until archaeology uncovered incontrovertibly old copies of Mesopotamian Flood stories from Iraqi ruins. Choosing what texts to give credence tends to follow popular beliefs and prejudices. Thus, an early twentieth-century feminist would read the Icelandic sagas and runic inscriptions and see evidence of female empowerment, but most men demanded physical proof. Victorian free-thinkers were happy to see Berossus as proof of a pre-Biblical Flood story, but the era’s Christians demanded ancient tablets to demonstrate the existence of the story at an early date. It’s not that the scholars who relied on medieval texts were wrong, sloppy, or practicing pseudoscience, per se. They were doing the best historiography they could, and many had exceptional insights that took generations to prove. The trouble is how to distinguish between the good conclusions and the bad ones, the right interpretations of texts and the wrong. Here is where archaeology is essential to inform historiography. This, I think, is the root of the split between my concern over whether a claim had been previously known and my critics’ concern over whether modern scholars have achieved a consensus that the claim is true.
82 Comments
Joe Scales
1/11/2019 10:07:33 am
Jesus Christ Jason... the archaeological evidence is certainly new. Get over yourself. Rather than continue to spin this in a most mind-numbing pedantic manner, why don't you simply listen to the experts and realize you went too far with this one. Yeah, we all hate what The History Channel is doing in an overall sense, but when you ignore qualified academics and dig your heels in, you're doing exactly what those of the Fringe do when they press their beliefs over those more qualified.
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Brian
1/11/2019 10:50:15 am
I think this was a very good analysis of how the terms people are using, often to attack each other, need to be clarified. Certainly the idea of women Viking warriors isn't new - it's as old as the Nibelungenlied. Archaeological evidence backing it up is more recent, but it should be made clear that the physical evidence is what's being called new, not the notion. But when everything has to be turned into a 10-second soundbite or a tweet, flush goes clear speaking and thinking.
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EAGLE FEATHER
1/11/2019 11:08:17 am
Thank you, thank you, thank you... !!
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EAGLE FEATHER
1/11/2019 03:21:53 pm
Norse Saga -
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Kent
6/9/2020 05:32:35 pm
"FYI: There is a Norse Saga dedicated to a battle in Brazil just in case you would like to research what a 'Saga' actually is! It is a long voyage, not a hop-skip-or jump. That was Easter Island.
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EAGLE FEATHER
6/10/2020 08:52:43 pm
Uh, duh... Brazil was the hop, then you skip to the west coast of South America, then jump to Easter Island... you ninny.
Accumulated Wisdom
1/11/2019 12:00:58 pm
Where I come from, the Norse Sagas were treated as inferior to all other "mythologies". There was no trouble finding academics with the opinion of Norse colonization of America. The obstacle was money. When I asked, Why no one was trying to prove it definitively, I was told, "Because there is no money in it".
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Newport Tower
1/11/2019 12:04:42 pm
The Newport Tower is the remains of a windmill.
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Accumulated Wisdom
1/11/2019 12:06:39 pm
It took you less than 4 minitues, to respond.
EAGLE FEATHER
1/11/2019 01:43:55 pm
Kudos to you ACCUMULATED WISDOM...
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EAGLE FEATHER
1/11/2019 01:48:01 pm
5. English-Round Table represents the same circle that follows a precise order.
American cool "disco" dan
1/11/2019 03:26:05 pm
Priceless Defender/Anthony Warren and Eagle Feather: Where are you institutionalized? You do talk some bumbaclottery. Sad.
EAGLE FEATHER
1/11/2019 04:00:07 pm
Sucks to be 2nd best doesn't it? Going down...
My Summary:
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Atlantis
1/11/2019 01:33:55 pm
Not that 9,000 year gap between the destruction of Atlantis and its [apparent] first mention by Critias again...
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ATLANTIS
1/11/2019 04:45:14 pm
The narrative of Atlantis is cradled within Plato's Republic
Atlantis was not put far, far away, neither in time nor in space. The place (in front of the Pillars of Hercules) was well-known to the Greeks, at least they thought so, because they believed in the mud there, and also the time was believed to be true, the record written from Egypt. Plato found traces of primeval Athens - or at least, he believed it. And some time later, Crantor believed to have found stelai with the story in Egypt.
Atlantis
1/11/2019 06:56:33 pm
Contribution ??
ATLANTIS
1/11/2019 07:02:01 pm
To Francis Bacon, the pillars of Hercules denoted the intellect and the limits of knowledge, represented by geographic symbolism. Even Bacon, centuries ago, understood Plato's real description of Atlantis.
American cool "Disco" Dan
1/11/2019 07:31:51 pm
"And by the way .... we are talking about the phenomenon of real science becoming pseudo-science after some time. This is the topic of this article, and it is the topic of my first comment.
ATLANTIS
1/12/2019 06:39:40 am
It's obvious that you have not read Bacon, Mr Atlantis Obsession.
You do not put forward source text in order to support your claims?
Doc Rock
1/11/2019 01:08:48 pm
There is a difference between documenting that the occasional woman served as a warrior and documenting that women comprised a significant number of Viking warriors at any given time. What constitutes a warrior is another matter. If a woman dons a little armor and stands next to hubby as he directs the sack of an Irish monastery does that make her a warrior?
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PNO TECH
1/11/2019 05:33:52 pm
And history is messy-blanket statements are way simplistic. Freydis, half-sister ( albeit illegitimate ) of Liet Ericsson certainly knew how to wield a sword...but she later was soundly scolded for doing so. Is <she> a warrior?
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John Paul
1/11/2019 03:15:06 pm
I get no kick on a plane, mere alcohol doesn't thrill me at all. However, I like to let farts in crowded elevators.
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Doc Rock
1/11/2019 03:21:48 pm
Kinky Friedman fan?
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An Anonymous Nerd
1/12/2019 12:42:44 am
The comments for this article are pretty disappointing, overall. Apologies to the exceptions. The replies began with a string of insults that were in equal parts cringey and fringey (how dare Mr. Colavito defend his research methods!!!), and then from there descended through a veritable all-you-can-stomach Fringe buffet, bearing little relationship to Mr. Colavito's original article.
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Academic science is often a very political event: It is a fight for money, influence and attention. They fight for their funding, or they feel themselves forerunners of certain political ideas they want to propagate in their field. It is often not what it should be. Fighting with words, just in order to convince.
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An Anonymous Nerd
1/12/2019 01:56:51 pm
[Academic science is often a very political event: It is a fight for money, influence and attention. They fight for their funding, or they feel themselves forerunners of certain political ideas they want to propagate in their field. It is often not what it should be. Fighting with words, just in order to convince.]
Science is political in both senses, and yes, more often in the "smaller" sense. Agreed.
EAGLE FEATHER
1/12/2019 02:43:53 pm
Why does everyone forget history here unless there is a book in front of them to reference.
EAGLE FEATHER
1/12/2019 03:16:48 pm
T. Franke-
EAGLE FEATHER
1/12/2019 03:28:53 pm
On the bright side... you have a very cool first name!
Eagle Feather,
EAGLE FEATHER
1/12/2019 07:55:26 pm
T. Franke-
EAGLE FEATHER
1/13/2019 10:03:59 am
Uhmm, yeah I did...
Eagle Feather, you did not.
Eagle Feather,
EAGLE FEATHER
1/13/2019 10:41:27 am
Rome and Carthage were the Pillars of Heracules.
EAGLE FEATHER
1/13/2019 10:57:05 am
OK, I see the problem... T. Franke
Eagle Feathers,
EAGLE FEATHER
1/13/2019 11:48:00 am
The answer is... yes.
EAGLE FEATHER
1/13/2019 11:57:40 am
That means I'm Danish royalty... Old Republic of course.
American cool "Disco" Dan
1/13/2019 01:58:58 pm
T. Franke amuse Atlantis wind-up. Toynbee resurrect Critias Hunter Mountain. Complete sentences behooves.
Eagle Feather,
American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/13/2019 03:44:21 pm
I've enjoyed watching you enable the Mental Patient of the Month. Apparently your Adlertotem didn't endow you with self control.
American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/14/2019 04:25:47 pm
"2. During the time of Egypt, people of the Mediterranean were mostly not aware of the Mesoamerican pyramids."
EAGLE FEATHER
1/14/2019 07:00:53 pm
Disco-
American cool "Disco" Dan
1/14/2019 09:22:21 pm
"People on this blog have offered evidence of trade at the Mesoamerican pyramids. Which means there were people who knew?"
EAGLE FEATHER
1/14/2019 09:44:26 pm
So... you are a mental patient, and you believe it.
Doc Rock
1/12/2019 02:10:36 pm
I think that there was some garbled transmission in the friend of a friend anecdote involving p
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Doc Rock
1/12/2019 02:21:09 pm
Poly sci. I'm confident that anthropologists in general understand that political scientists may be involved in research on voting patterns. I suspect it was a matter of some anthropologists not being aware of a recent trend in poly sci for some to be very involved in qualitative research methods as opposed to quantitative research and computer modeling which have dominated the field.
An Anonymous Nerd
1/12/2019 09:33:38 pm
Easier to just reply down here.
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EAGLE FEATHER
1/12/2019 10:17:57 pm
Funny...
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Doc Rock
1/12/2019 10:51:50 pm
About seven years back I served on the thesis committee for an anthropology grad student research American voting behavior. I told him that he should plan on reading a lot of poly sci journals to help ground his research because that type of research has traditionally fallen within their realm of interest. The rest of the committee and the student agreed because it was just plain common sense. Whatever someone heard or thinks that they heard in A panel at A conference is not really evidence of some widespread ignorance by anthropologists, especially those who concentrate in Political Anthropology, of the fact that political scientists would spend a lot of time researching one of the primary features of the American political process. I just don't see you coming up with anything supporting that contention, although I suspect that you will insist on trying. It would be like claiming that anthropologists don't know that economists are interested in researching market exchange.
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An Anonymous Nerd
1/13/2019 10:47:15 am
RE the voting behavior kid: Good to know but let us hope you did not allow the kid to duplicate the findings of Political Science and then declare it to be brand new. Because that's analogous what Mr. Colavito is describing here. Archaeologists lent considerable weight to historical and literary accounts that already existed. Quite nifty.
Doc Rock
1/13/2019 01:43:30 pm
Mr. Nerd,
anon
1/13/2019 01:37:13 pm
I thought everyone knew that Viking female warriors were the offspring of ancient aliens and red-haired giants!
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1/13/2019 01:57:45 pm
I wish the comments weren't always mere byways for settling personal grudges or flying personal fringe theories.
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Doc Rock
1/13/2019 02:35:00 pm
Most of my knowledge of Henry 8 comes from watching the series Tudors, but wasn't he badly wounded while jousting in a tournament? Obviously not a "real" battle but pretty series business which permitted people to prove themselves as warriors even if they never fought in actual battle. Not a criticism of you, just further commentary on the difficulty in defining concepts like warrior and actual participation in combat versus simply being present there.
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American cool "Disco" Dan
1/13/2019 03:15:55 pm
Front line against an opposing force.
Doc Rock
1/13/2019 03:34:09 pm
"No real thought required."And yet you took the time to think it thru, including pondering the potential implications of friendly fire, and post your thoughts on the matter.
Doc Rock
1/13/2019 03:58:28 pm
And the circumstances under which someone dies from non-enemy contact certainly does matter in terms of whether something is classified as a combat death or not. Just a bit more food for some real thought.
Shane Sullivan
1/13/2019 05:08:21 pm
Fun fact: Lincoln was also a wrestler.
American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/13/2019 05:32:59 pm
"And the circumstances under which someone dies from non-enemy contact certainly does matter in terms of whether something is classified as a combat death or not. Just a bit more food for some real thought."
Doc Roc
1/13/2019 07:10:32 pm
Ya didnt even try to read up a bit and think it thru, did ya? Oh well at least you are consistent.
Doc Rock
1/13/2019 08:05:38 pm
And I already know what Disco Chomo is gonna say so I will go ahead and get his strike three out of the way. I don't think that a lot of people consider Lincoln to have been a combat veteran despite the circumstances. A selling point to the contrary is that a guy next to him was killed by enemy fire. Now replace the enemy fire with "shot in the back by accident by a drunk union private" and it puts a rather different paint job on things. Dead is dead but I would venture to guess that being killed by the enemy as opposed to friendly fire or fragging might matter a lot to those on the receiving end.
American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/13/2019 08:45:36 pm
No, I've had my say but your alcoholism and compulsion to reoffend will inevitably compel you to say more.
Doc Rock
1/13/2019 03:05:34 pm
Re: personal fringe theories
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American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/13/2019 09:00:13 pm
"And I already know what Disco Chomo is gonna say"
Accumulated Wisdom
1/14/2019 01:30:03 am
Absolute Hypocrisy!
Joe Scales
1/14/2019 03:04:35 pm
Got it. Anthony Warren has no wood.
Accumulated Wisdom
1/13/2019 05:01:03 pm
The "Pillars of Hercules" has the same meaning as Romulus and Remus. Today, we call them Castor and Pollux.
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American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/13/2019 08:52:23 pm
JESUS EFFING CHRIST ANTHONY WARREN FROM SCOTT WOLTER'S BLOG YOU ESCAPED MENTAL PATIENT, after being corrected you again got the assignments wrong.
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Accumulated Wisdom
1/14/2019 01:16:07 am
Damn, Sniffles Hogr, I have to correct you again. I am not from Wolter's blog. Yes, I have commented on his blog, but, I am not FROM THERE. I was born in a city, within a state, of the United States.
Joe Scales
1/14/2019 09:46:12 am
"The owner of this blog would sell more books, and take in more donations by, getting rid of you."
American cool "disco" dan
1/14/2019 10:45:57 am
Charlie Fineman: Are you a faggot?.
American cool "Disco" Dan
1/14/2019 11:49:11 am
As Lee Falk used to say in the Phantom comic strip: "For those who came in late..." Your comment will be posted after it is approved.
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