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What Does the Talmud Really Say about Giants' Teeth?

10/26/2014

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Yesterday I presented William A. Hinson’s plagiarism of a Fate magazine article on the giants, and in it, Hinson makes an unusual claim that he copies word for word from Fate, which adds this after describing a “giant” with a double row of teeth allegedly found in California: “It has a singular tie-in with the statement in the old Babylonian Talmud, called the Berakthoth, that the giants before the Great Deluge had double rows of teeth.”
Obviously, if an ancient text said that, I want to know about it. Oh, boy, this is another of those kind of stories. In the great telephone game that is fringe history, something weird happened. Somehow, a rather general statement grew to more closely conform to a developing modern myth, largely through repetition without checking the original text. Today, the claim that the Talmud confirms the double dentition of Bible giants can be found across the Nephilim research community and various websites related to giants.

So my first step was to trace back the Fate magazine piece, which I didn’t know firsthand yesterday but rather through an excerpt from a 1999 omnibus collection of Fate published on a gigantology website. As it turns out, the author of the piece was none other than Harold T. Wilkins, who published the article “Giants in the Earth” in January 1952 and used the same material in Secret Cities of Old South America later that same year. I assume the book was written (or at least researched) first and that he used its material for the article, though I do not have enough information to prove it. Ultimately, it does not really matter which came first. Both describes the same alleged giant finds in the same order, and the book includes the following footnote, which is much more detailed than the article’s brief claim:
A truly amazing corroboration of the dentition of these antediluvian giants of ancient America is found in the Hulin section of the Berakthoth, or Babylonian Talmud, where it is said the giants, before the Great Deluge, had numerous rows of teeth! The old compilers of the Hulin can hardly be said to have heard of this California find! The Hulin tells us that these giants had feet 18 ells long, and ate one thousand oxen, horses, and camels each day. 
The similarity between Wilkins’s footnote and the Fate piece shows that Wilkins was recycling text, but it is interesting to see in Fate he has substituted the familiar “double rows” of teeth for the book’s “numerous” rows of teeth. In his book, he won’t specify the number of rows, though he uses the Talmudic claim to support a reference to a double row of teeth supposedly found in a gigantic California skull. This, I imagine, is the proximate reason that the Fate version renders “numerous” teeth for a double row—presumably, Wilkins grew more confident in his conclusions as he reworked his research for a popular magazine. In Fate he also has eliminated the Hulin, or more properly Chullin (or an H with a diacritical mark I can’t make with this blog software), apparently in simplifying the book for popular readership. Of course, it might also have gone the other way, with him trying to be more scholarly in reworking the article for the book.

But where did Wilkins get his information? Well, we know it isn’t from a direct source since he mistakenly believes that the Hulin is a subset of the Berakhot. Both the Chullin and the Berakhot are tractates of the Babylonian Talmud, but the former is in the Seder Kodashim, while the latter is in the Seder Zeraim. So how did he confuse them?

The answer comes from the second part of Wilkins’s paragraph, where he wrongly attributes claims about the giants’ size and appetite to the Chullin when it does not appear in that tractate. Instead, it appears in close proximity to a discussion of Chullin’s references to the giants’ teeth in the Jewish Encyclopedia of 1906, whose article on “Giants” I quote here:
Some of these giants had feet 18 ells in length (Deut. R. i.), and the same length is given for the thigh-bone (Buber, “Tanhuma,” Debarim, addition 7). Numerous rows of teeth are also ascribed to them (Hul. 60a). They were very voracious, eating as many as a thousand oxen, horses, and camels each day (Midrash Abkir).
Notice the suspiciously similar wording: numerous rows of teeth. Wilkins couldn’t be more specific because he got his information from the encyclopedia and failed to notice that the other information in the same lines came from different sources: a commentary on Deuteronomy and the Midrash Abkir—which itself is a weird discussion of the fallen angels, similar to that of Jubilees, but which also posits that Azazel is still on earth today, in the form of (essentially) a male model, to seduce women into sexual sin. Somehow, though, when summarizing the material for Fate, he conflated his premises and conclusions and rendered the phrase as double rows.

How he confused the Chullin for a section of the Berakhot, I can’t imagine. The Berakhot (54b) contains passages about Og, the last of the giant Rephaim, including references to his enormous teeth, which like tusks jutted from his mouth. It’s obvious that he conflated the information through not actually knowing the primary sources, but how he came to the conclusion that one was part of the other—that might be a secret left to history.

But it was through that mistake that modern copyists and plagiarists mistakenly assert that the Berakhot speaks of the “18 ells” of giant feet and the “numerous rows” of their teeth.

If you’ve read this far, I assume you want to know what the Chullin actually says about the giants’ teeth. Oh, the fun! It turns out that in the Jewish Encyclopedia the scholar M. Seligsohn, who wrote the article on giants, has the wrong citation. He gives the references as Chullin 60a, but it is actually 60b that contains the discussion of … well, not exactly giant teeth. It’s a bit more complicated.

Seligsohn performed a bit of an inference in his brief sentence, which he explained in greater detail earlier in the article. It’s painfully complex, so I’m going to simplify as much as possible: According to Jewish lore, the first inhabitants of Palestine were giants, specifically the Anakim and the Rephaim. Therefore, extra-biblical sources claimed that the other early inhabitants of Palestine were related to these two giant tribes and must therefore have been giants themselves. Consequently, the Avvim of Deuteronomy 2:23 were assigned a relationship to the Rephaim. According to the Genesis Raba 26:7, the Avvim were one of seven groups of “mighty men of old,” the giants of Genesis 6:4, and the Avvim brought the world to ruin.

All of this background is necessary to understand why anyone would connect Chullin 60b to giants when it is actually talking about the Avvim. Here is what the text actually says, speaking of the Avvim: “R. Joseph said: Every one of them had sixteen rows of teeth” (Epstein’s English trans. of the Talmud).

And there you have it, folks! The giants didn’t have double rows of teeth; they had sixteen rows of teeth! So the next time you see a gigantologist explaining why the Talmud supposedly confirms double rows of giant teeth, you’ll know that anyone who wants to use the Talmud to support claims for giants needs to contend with the fourteen rows of missing teeth in their supposed giant skeletons.

And this is why we use primary sources and don’t just copy what other people said.
13 Comments
Scott Hamilton
10/26/2014 03:47:05 am

I'm in the process of collecting first editions of Harold Wilkins' books. It's interesting, he was a source of a lot fringe claims.

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EP
10/26/2014 06:14:07 am

I wonder whether UFOlogy's "Men in Black" are indirect descendents of "Men in Black" Wilkins discusses in Mysteries of Ancient South America...

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EP
10/26/2014 05:52:06 am

"Azazel is still on earth today, in the form of (essentially) a male model, to seduce women into sexual sin."

Curses! My secret identity has been revealed! Foiled again!

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Shane Sullivan
10/26/2014 07:34:24 am

Hard as they sometimes are to follow, I enjoy these fringe origin stories.

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Mike Heiser link
10/26/2014 01:46:02 pm

Jason - The same Hullin/Chullin passage about the sixteen rows of teeth includes the notion that the Avvim are the Philistines. There is simply no evidence for this. The Avvim are one of the biblical people groups about which next to nothing is known (from either contemporaneous texts or archaeology).

This is why I avoided rabbinics in grad school. The Talmud and other rabbinic sources are quite late relative to the Hebrew Bible. There are even centuries separating most of the material from the NT. It's basically a compendium of speculation. Contrary to what many amateurs think, the rabbinic material is NOT analyzing the Hebrew Bible in its own context - it's many centuries removed. It's occasionally interesting in terms of seeing what the rabbis did with a passage (usually bearing no resemblance to any sort of analysis against the ancient Near Eastern context like you'd see today).

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Jason Colavito link
10/26/2014 02:22:34 pm

Thanks, Mike, for that important reminder. For me, the legends in the Talmud (as opposed to the long passages on various rules and regulations) are interesting mostly for what they reveal about Late Antique culture and beliefs, and it's painfully obvious that many of those legends are about as grounded in history as Jack and the Beanstalk, like the story of a gigantic Moses killing the even larger Og by bashing his ankle until the giant died!

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EP
10/26/2014 02:23:57 pm

Mike, you are completely correct to say that "the rabbinic material is NOT analyzing the Hebrew Bible in its own context". Indeed, it's close to being true by definition, at least if we are strict about what counts as the Hebrew Bible's "own context".

On the other hand, your general claim that the Talmud is "basically a compendium of speculation" is either false or misleading and unhelpful due to its triviality. Far from everything in the Talmud is speculation.

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JH
10/26/2014 06:07:17 pm

Is there an expert on the Knight's Templar out there? I'm researching an old piece with several symbols and hand signs. Very interesting, but I need help.

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Hanoch link
10/27/2014 02:02:47 am

b"h

Nice job Jason.

Just to be fair, Rashi does comment on the "sixteen rows of teeth" in Aramaic simply as "rows of teeth" in Hebrew with Rashi implying that there are more than two rows.

שיתסר דרי שיני. שורות של שינים

Nevertheless, the word שיתסר is literally sixteen, according to Jastrow's dictionary of the Talmud.

http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/jastrow/ (page 1570 via the link to שישורא )

Ḥullin - To get this I wrote it in Word and copied to your blog. Not the most handy, but workable.

Best.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
10/27/2014 02:09:39 am

Guy can't even joke about you writing more about giants without getting a solid week of giants, can he?

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A.U s3 ici NOV Nine
10/27/2014 10:18:03 am

standing on the shoulders of giants???
they might be giants?? are we the runt
of the litter for 15 generations at least?

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EP
10/27/2014 10:36:08 am

Come on, . , are you even trying?

Ray
6/2/2018 02:45:43 pm

I think you're being much, much too literal in this sense, the mere fact that ancient source's also say the very same thing, as the modern reports of the Giant's of the Mounds finds. I don't know why you're obsessed with trying to prove whether the original stories say sixteen or double... The mere fact that people during both time periods, report Giant's with more than one row of teeth, is quite unusual and it implies that numerous people in two different ages, saw the same thing. More than likely, the translations got mixed up and convulated over time... But, the idea of Giant's with "more than one row of teeth" (a very unusual claim to make in itself) stayed the same.

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