It’s no secret that fringe history writers don’t like critics, and they also tend to have double-standards when it comes to criticism. To take a recent example, Scott Wolter called me a “hate-blogger” on his website earlier this year and then went on the radio to plead that unkind words directed at him were inappropriate: “So why are we having these arguments, people attacking me, criticizing me? Let’s stop already, OK?” Similarly, the previous year he said that I was driven by “religious zealotry rather than truly scientific thinking” before asserting that only factual arguments were valid rhetorical points. While Wolter’s double standard is perhaps the most clearly defined, it is also visible in the work of other fringe theorists. Giorgio Tsoukalos, for example, has frequently attacked mainstream archaeologists and Egyptologists for being dogmatic, conspiratorial, and so on, but brooks no criticism of himself or his ideas. He has held a grudge against me for more than a decade for having once asked him some critical questions when I was in college. He called me “malevolent.” But the claim I’ve been running into more and more frequently is that it is inappropriate to ever mention the background, motivations, or qualifications of a fringe history figure. Surely it is relevant, for example, to understanding Wayne May’s advocacy of diffusion from the Old World to the New that May is a Mormon with a literalist view of the Book of Mormon, indeed an extremist view of its literal truth. Instead, while the fringe figure is free to attack the critic’s background or to make wild accusations of dark conspiracies, his critics are to be restricted to offering only bone-dry recitations of fact. Obviously, this is self-serving, creating a double standard that benefits only the fringe theorist. We all know that the audience fringe writers wish to reach does not judge claims based only on evidence and reasoning but rather on a combination of logos, pathos, and ethos, the facets of rhetorical argumentation. Fringe writers want their critics to abandon the elements of argumentation in favor of syllogisms while they retain access to the full range of rhetorical expression. But there is a point buried beneath the hypocrisy. In terms of evaluating claims, the identity of the claimant isn’t relevant. But is criticizing fringe history limited only to the specific claims fringe historians make? I would argue no, and for this reason: Fringe historians make their work about themselves, and as such their motivations, background, personalities, and controversies become inseparable from the ideas they offer. This isn’t limited just to fringe history, of course. Right now I’m reading Irving Finkel’s new book The Ark before Noah, and it is a mainstream book that proposes some new ideas about the transmission of the Flood myth. But it is impossible to talk about this without acknowledging that Finkel himself makes the first quarter of the book into an autobiography, explaining his Jewish heritage, his background in cuneiform studies, and his years of experience in Assyriology and in curating Near East antiquities for the British Museum. He made himself the central actor in the story, and the book (at least in its early chapters) therefore is as much the story of how Irving Finkel translated a new tablet as it is about the contents of that tablet. This is what separates his popular treatment of the subject from his academic journal articles on the same, and it is a completely legitimate way of writing a popular book. But, as with writers like Malcolm Gladwell, it promotes the identification of the idea with the author. Similarly, fringe historians make themselves the heroes of their own narratives, making their work less about the specific claims in the work than about the cult of personality surrounding the author, whose life and times serve as fodder for self-hagiography designed to give concrete form to what originates as ephemeral speculation. Consider the opening words of Erich von Däniken’s Chariots of the Gods (1968): “It took courage to write this book…” It begins with the author mythologizing himself! The remainder of the book offers frequent authorial interjections where the author, as hero, talks directly to the reader as truth-teller and sage. Is this enough to warrant us entering into evidence the fact that von Däniken is a convicted felon, or that the court-appointed psychologist found him to be a compulsive liar? Perhaps not by itself, but the fact that there is no way to evaluate his claims scientifically since, by his own admission, he makes no claims, merely asks “questions,” renders it all but impossible to discuss “facts” independent of the man. But here von Däniken has little ground to complain if someone does bring up his conviction because he made the fact more than relevant in his sequel, Gods from Outer Space (1970), where he opens the book by announcing that he had written it “during my imprisonment.” The implication was that von Däniken was a martyr for having dared to dream too big. In Chariots he has already told readers that a conspiracy was afoot to suppress his work: “scholars will call it nonsense and put it on the Index of those books which are better left unmentioned.” In its sequel, his dark warnings have come to fruition at the cost of his liberty. Let’s take another case. Robert Temple, the ancient astronaut theorist who misunderstood the ancient sage Oannes as a space-frog from Sirius, presents himself as a scholar and takes great pains to cultivate that image through membership in scholarly organizations and through what he describes as visiting professorships at universities. Strictly speaking, it isn’t relevant to the question of flying space frogs that Temple’s memberships are in organizations like the Royal Astronomical Society open to anyone with cash, or that the schools where he claims to be a professor could not or would not confirm his employment. But if it is forbidden to examine his biography, how are we evaluate his unverifiable assertion that “certain security agencies, most notably the American ones” were working to destroy him and discredit his Sirius Mystery to hide the truth of the space frogs? Again, Temple made such assertions in print, in his own 1998 update to The Sirius Mystery—to which assertions he in 2009 added the “hypnosis community” among his enemies—and cast himself as the hero who boldly risks the censure of the CIA and the world’s hypnotists to bring you the truth about aliens and mind control. The works of David Childress don’t even pretend to be logical arguments; they are travelogues whose effectiveness depends entirely upon the reader identifying with the character of “David Childress, World Explorer” and taking him for a rotund and jolly guide to mystery and adventure. It is in this character that Childress as writer proposed himself as the honest broker who uncovered a vast Smithsonian conspiracy, during a period of his career (1984-2004) when he identified himself in print as a “maverick archaeologist.” To point out that Childress was no professional archaeologist—that he never even completed a bachelor’s program—was directly relevant to evaluating the image of the honest broker who could be trusted to present undocumented claims truthfully, and thus whether there was any reason to give credence to his second- and third-hand anecdotes about Smithsonian efforts to destroy tons (literally tons) of artifacts “they” don’t want you to know about. And what of Graham Hancock, who more than any other fringe writer of his generation made a career out of personalizing his theories as the work of a globe-trotting adventurer? When Hancock admitted that he developed his ideas while high on marijuana and that he had since moved on to ayahuasca and used the drug to meet with and battle demons, I received criticism for having discussed what Hancock himself admitted. But Hancock has made drug use the centerpiece of his philosophy, seeing it as a tool to exploring consciousness, based on his own personal experiences. How can we possibly evaluate his ideas independently of Hancock himself if the two are now one and the same? The list goes on and on, of course, because it must. To be a fringe theorist is to cast oneself as the hero of one’s own story. It is the prerequisite of a successful fringe history book; all of the modern successes are personal narratives. This is, to an extent, a marked contrast to, say, Ignatius Donnelly’s Atlantis: The Antediluvian World (1882). Donnelly didn’t cast himself as the hero of his story, nor did he declare that there was a conspiracy to suppress the truth about Atlantis. His book is remarkably free of personal pronouns—about three-quarters of all appearances of the pronoun “I” occur in quoted matter. For what it was worth, Donnelly, a politician, saw himself as writing a scholarly book and making a scholarly argument, little different from what the British prime minister, William Gladstone, was doing across the Pond, producing works like Juventus Mundi (1869) that similarly argued for a widespread Phoenician influence on history. Today’s fringe historians, by contrast, see themselves not as proposing new analyses of established history as Donnelly and Gladstone did, but as opponents of mainstream academia, knights-errant titling against ivory towers. Von Däniken spoke perhaps for all when he said in a 1974 Playboy interview that “There are only a few of us working on my theory, and it’s like a war we have to win.” It’s impossible to think of Donnelly saying the same, nor of admitting as von Däniken did that he was willing to fabricate evidence to win over readers. You may argue that discussing von Däniken’s defiant assertion that he would fake evidence if he felt like it is a personal attack that isn’t relevant to whether aliens really influenced history, but as I hope I have shown, fringe history is only partially about its own claims. Its larger part is the presentation of the author as hero and the creation of an enemy (usually mainstream scholars) to better cast the author in a heroic light and create loyalty in the audience, who will then buy more of the author’s work to help him on his never-ending, rarely successful quest to overcome the forces of the eternal enemy. This, then, is the real reason fringe figures feel comfortable launching their own personal attacks against their critics but cry foul when a volley is returned. Each and every time a critic points to personal factors or motivations that could distort or call into question the veracity and trustworthiness of the author, it cuts into the heroic image that is the heart of being a fringe scholar. Why do you think so many identify themselves with Indiana Jones? This brings us to the difficult case of the diffusionist writer Frank Joseph. Joseph was convicted of child sex abuse, and under the name of Frank Collin he headed an American Nazi party. Because of connections he made while in prison, he played a prominent role in promoting the allegedly ancient Old World artifacts of the Burrows Cave hoax, and in his works on fringe history he promotes a diffusionist worldview that posits an ancient global white master race from Atlantis, Lemuria, and Mu. He is allegedly a pagan, following rites similar to those Himmler wanted to see restored to Germany.
How much of this is relevant to any specific claim he makes? What of his worldview in general? Is his Nazi connection relevant to discussing the fact that his view of history places white people in a privileged position? There are no easy answers, but I know this: Other fringe historians recognize the problem. Despite the fact that Joseph was the longtime editor of Ancient American magazine, worked on an investigation with David Childress, published books featuring works from fringe writers including Wayne May and Scott Wolter, and originated the modern versions of many fringe history claims, today his name is never spoken in works of fringe history aimed at a general interest mainstream audience, even when directly relevant to the subject at hand. Scott Wolter, for example, makes no mention of him in his various discussions of Burrows Cave, including in his books and on America Unearthed—even though Frank Joseph is the only person other than Russell Burrows who claims to have seen inside the cave and could “confirm” its contents. Similarly, he is not mentioned in Wolter’s discussion of the alleged Aztec pyramid of Wisconsin despite having literally written the book on the subject (Atlantis in Wisconsin, 1995) and originated the modern legend of the pyramid in FATE magazine in 1989. The omission is striking and tacit testimony that the personal stories of fringe history advocates are relevant, at least in terms of how the public perceives claims. So, in short, if it is wrong for me to mention the background of Frank Joseph in evaluating why he believes that Native Americans were not “dynamic” enough to build great works (yes, that is his word, from Atlantis in Wisconsin), then those who believe it is wrong need to turn their ire first to the History Channel and TV producers and demand that they put Frank Joseph on TV. And if they will not, ask them why.
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Only Me
4/27/2014 08:34:55 am
Superb article. I fear, though, that you may have committed the literary equivalent of wasting your breath.
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Steve StC
4/27/2014 09:27:18 am
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Matt Mc
4/27/2014 09:33:46 am
Thanks for the great description of Mr. Wolter.
Steve StC
4/27/2014 03:14:10 pm
Matt MC, do you think Jason incapable of handling his own defense? Do you think him so weak that you must leap to protect him?
Only Me
4/27/2014 04:55:16 pm
From precisely what, or whom, do you think Jason needs defending, Steve? You? You're the one rolling a plastic Easter egg into the room while shouting "Grenade!", expecting everyone to duck for cover. Your comments are irrelevant, as anyone can repost them, switching out Jason's name for any one of the men in his article, or even yours. 4/27/2014 11:38:33 pm
Steve says I shouldn't comment when it doesn't directly affect me; since Steve isn't mentioned in this article, he therefore needs to stop talking under his own rules.
Walt
4/27/2014 08:36:59 am
Wolter is a little different than the rest of those fringe authors since he claims to use science. He dismisses peer review and academia, but he praises professionals since, he says, they've accepted his work. According to History's short bio of Wolter, he "developed a new science called archaeopetrography." Seems to me someone who cares more than I do could verify if that's true, and what other professionals think of it. Peer review aside, where's the informal discussion by professionals of this new science?
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4/27/2014 09:00:56 am
Since Wolter has not published on his new science (a recurring theme), there isn't much to discuss. As given in his popular works, it isn't a new science at all but just looking at things through a microscope and applying relative dating schemes. It's not new and is known as "archaeological petrography" (and sometimes even as archaeopetrography) among archaeologists.
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Matt Mc
4/27/2014 08:40:51 am
To be fair Frank Joseph was featured in the History Doc about Nazi's in America
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4/27/2014 08:57:34 am
I believe that was in archival footage, and as a Nazi.
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Matt Mc
4/27/2014 09:04:27 am
That is true. The Military channel just aired the documentary recently and indeed the footage was from the 70's and there was not mention to his venture into the world of fringe theories.
Matt Mc
4/27/2014 09:06:43 am
Sorry not the Military channel anymore, so I should of said American Heroes Channel
CHV
4/27/2014 10:39:09 am
>>>Similarly, fringe historians make themselves the heroes of their own narratives.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/27/2014 11:14:50 am
I dunno …
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Mandalore
4/27/2014 11:23:21 am
Do you use the Viking sagas as a basis for your own ideas, interpretations, or actions? Otherwise, your analogy doesn't apply. Some fringe thinkers directly base some of their ideas on men like Frank Joseph and have personally worked with him. You are purposefully misconstruing direct and indirect influences.
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4/27/2014 11:36:32 am
Exactly. Unless Phil was ordained by a Viking his analogy is a false one. Many fringe theorists have worked with Frank Joseph, published their work with Frank Joseph, carpooled to conferences with Frank Joseph, and took their ideas from works by Frank Joseph.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/27/2014 11:38:03 am
And … Scott Wolter is NOT a "neo-Nazi" ...
Mandalore
4/27/2014 12:05:12 pm
Good point Phil, Wolter is not a neo-Nazi. But then again, who said that he was? Its not on this page.
Rev Phil Gotsch
4/28/2014 02:13:41 am
Sorry about that mistake. I'm a huge dumbass! I apologise and will not visit this site ever again.
Only Me
4/27/2014 11:40:49 am
Oh, Phil, it would be SO easy to associate your status with the past sins of the Church and its members, just to bloody your nose with your own analogy, but I won't go there.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/27/2014 12:15:53 pm
Yes …
Only Me
4/27/2014 01:07:25 pm
The problem is you. You want to discuss facts, interpretations, ideas and claims, yet you consider it taboo to also discuss how those things are affected or colored by the personal experiences, beliefs and motives of the people who use them. This is especially true, when, as Jason pointed out, the individuals inject themselves to such a degree, their identities and their work are considered one and the same.
KIF
4/27/2014 01:49:05 pm
The problem lies with your inability to understand the critical method
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/27/2014 04:20:56 pm
Scott Wolter is NOT a "neo-Nazi" OR a "white supremacist" OR a child molester …
Only Me
4/27/2014 04:37:34 pm
Ah, but NO ONE has said that Scott IS a neo-Nazi, white supremacist or child molester. His only association with the individual that fits all three, is his willingness to adapt and promote that individual's work with his OWN pro-Templar/pre-Columbian European exploration narrative...while avoiding any name-dropping of said individual. You should be more disgusted with Scott's willingness to accept the ideas and associate with such dubious characters, even defend them (Jacques de Mahieu, anyone?).
CHV
4/27/2014 04:52:34 pm
Jason is correct in pointing out that historical revisionism often has fascist roots. The Nazis turned it into a quasi-religion, and the modern Republican Party loves to re-edit history on a daily basis to serve a pre-existing narrative.
KIF
4/27/2014 10:47:13 pm
But those who are repeating the old racial theories ARE NOT RACISTS THEMSELVES. Jason is 100% WRONG calling such people racists. Erich Von Daniken and Co ARE NOT RACISTS. Even sceptics have limitations. It would be laughable IN THE EXTREME for anti-Racist groups to take people like EvD seriously because they recognise without any difficulty that EvD is not really a "racist". STOP CALLING THESE PEOPLE RACISTS BECAUSE IT IS BACKFIRING AGAINST THE SCEPTICISM
Matt Mc
4/28/2014 12:49:05 am
I do not read Jason post as saying that any of the people mentioned beyond Frank Joseph are racists or neo-nazis. I do garner from his post that people are choosing to work with known racists and are helping (whether it is willing or not) to spread ideas that stem from racist beliefs.
Mark L
4/28/2014 02:16:23 am
KJF, I believe von Daniken has spouted some pretty unpleasant stuff about other races in the past, so "HE'S NOT RACIST" is not strictly accurate (even though it's irrelevant to this discussion, as his racism or otherwise was not brought up). 4/28/2014 04:13:18 am
KIF, EVD did in fact make some pretty racist claims. I wrote about them before: http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/2014/01/the-astonishing-racial-claims-of-erich-von-daniken.html
Judith Bennett
4/27/2014 05:28:27 pm
Personally speaking, I wouldn't work with anyone I knew to be a white supremacist or child molester. I don't think that's a particularly radical stanch, indeed I'd hope that all decent people would shun such associations.
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KIF
4/27/2014 10:42:58 pm
It's impossible to try and to reason with the irrational. For example, Ron Story demonstrated that EvD's ancient astronaut claims were hokum during the 1970s. Nevertheless the ancient astronaut proponents keep marching on regardless, totally immune to their absurdities, and we've had the like of Zecharia Sitchin come and go in the meantime
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KIF
4/27/2014 10:49:24 pm
USING FRANK JOSEPH'S NAZI PAST IN ORDER TO CALL ERICH VON DANIKEN AND COMPANY "RACISTS" IS RUBBISH. SUCH ACTIVITY WILL BACKFIRE AGAINST SCEPTICISM
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KIF
4/27/2014 10:52:24 pm
ANTI-RACIST GROUPS WILL NEVER TAKE ERICH VON DANIKEN AND COMPANY SERIOUSLY. THEY WILL REGARD THE ACCUSATION WITH LAUGHTER. WHICH ANTI-RACIST GROUP WILL ENDORSE SUCH ARGUMENTS....?
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KIF
4/27/2014 11:07:41 pm
James Churchward (1851-1936) and Guy Ballard (1878–1939) peddled the fantasy of Lemuria. Lewis Spence (1874-1955) peddled Atlantis. These were racist views that were also peddled by Nazis. But Churchward, Ballard and Spence were not Nazis, nor were they racists in the same vein that Nazis were racists. There is a DISTINCTION that needs to be recognised and acknowledged.
Mark L
4/28/2014 02:17:50 am
KIF, the article didn't call EVD a racist. Calm down man!
Lynn Brant
4/28/2014 12:27:31 am
When critics probe the backgrounds of "scientists," they are doing what the scientists themselves should have done - disclosing their potential sources of bias. If you sidestep real peer review, you get hit with journalistic review instead. Justice.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/28/2014 04:34:58 am
MANY (skewed) understandings of the evolution/history of life were for a long time directly tied back into 19th century classical "Liberal" ideas of "competition" and "progress" … So what … ???
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Matt Mc
4/28/2014 05:03:09 am
You are quite correct in asserting that not every understanding is rooted in racism or like mind sets. Sadly the Templar-Holy Bloodine/quest for the grail one does. Even if that is not the path of the given researcher it must be noted culturally these concepts can in modern times be sourced to eugenics or Nazi origins.
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CHV
4/28/2014 08:50:27 am
>>>You are quite correct in asserting that not every understanding is rooted in racism or like mind sets. Sadly the Templar-Holy Bloodine/quest for the grail one does.
Only Me
4/28/2014 05:14:11 am
"Neo-Nazi or other racialist ideological nonsense"
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Clint Knapp
4/28/2014 05:58:54 am
Glancing through the comments I'm seeing a pattern emerge that seems to underscore another trait common to the fringe community: uncritical reading.
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Bride of Snarkenstein
4/28/2014 11:03:46 am
Several posters have proven themselves to be trolls, including Phil Gotsch, Steve St. Clair, KIF and Gunn. They hope they can discredit Jason by misstating what he says. They are fooling anybody.
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Bride of Snarkenstein
4/28/2014 11:05:56 am
oops, typo! They *aren't* fooling anybody.
Clint Knapp
4/28/2014 04:28:12 pm
Oh, I'm well aware of the main cast of trolls Jason has following him around, but if I learned anything from Norwegian folklore it's that the only way to get rid of a troll is to drag them kicking and screaming into the light of day.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/28/2014 06:15:37 am
To "discuss" Scott Wolter in a breezy article which PROMINENTLY features a photo of a guy in Nazi costume, with swastika banners in the background … is OFFENSIVE … it's PREJUDICIAL … it's VILE … it is the WORST kind of ideological PROPAGANDA (posing as "intellect") ...
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Matt Mc
4/28/2014 06:35:09 am
How is this discussion of Wolter and other fringe theorists and their connection to Frank Joseph not relevant to the topic at hand which is the fact that Frank Joseph has worked with or published more than a few of these theorists material.
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Only Me
4/28/2014 06:40:48 am
Oh, so Scott carpooling with Joseph, engaging in lengthy discussions with him, having him publish Scott's articles and adopting his work for Scott's episodic "investigations" on AU didn't bother you. But that picture has gotta go!
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Clint Knapp
4/28/2014 06:46:16 am
Cry to the heavens, loud voice.
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terry the censor
5/4/2014 11:25:12 am
Phil, ask Scott why he is professionally associated with such a vile man.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 01:21:48 pm
Innuendo ...
Only Me
5/4/2014 02:08:34 pm
Phil's "truth": personalize, propagandize, perpetuate
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 02:39:11 pm
LOL …
Only Me
5/4/2014 03:14:37 pm
If reading an article and not seeing the "innuendo" you so desperately want to be real is "gossip", so be it.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 03:35:44 pm
You enjoy breathless dramatic gossip -- "Do you know that [……..] has associated with [……] … ???"
Only Me
5/4/2014 04:10:42 pm
You're entitled to have a personal opinion of me but that doesn't mean I'm going to care what it is.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 04:47:44 pm
Another visitor to these blogs -- who is NOT a friend of Scott Wolter -- has wisely pointed out that "guilt by association" is in itself a "Fascist"-"Stalinist" habit …
Only Me
5/4/2014 05:47:04 pm
What makes you believe I'm Jason's friend? I've never met the man; I only know he exists because of this blog.
RLewis
4/28/2014 06:47:50 am
Maybe I'm missing something, but this article doesn't appear to be specifically about SW. His name is only mentioned three times. Many other names are more prominently identified.
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Rlewis
4/28/2014 06:50:04 am
Well, actually 5 times (2 twice as "Wolter" only)
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Clint Knapp
4/28/2014 07:01:33 am
You're right. It's not. It may lead with him as an example, but only because his example is the most recent and easily recognized by the readers of this blog.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/28/2014 07:18:56 am
The skilled propagandist knows that repetition of "The Big Lie" can be very effective …
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Matt Mc
4/28/2014 07:26:07 am
So is the truth that these fringe theorists including Wolter have not worked with Frank Joseph?
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Lynn Brant
4/28/2014 07:39:49 am
The truth is that Scott Wolter is not a racist, but he is willing to associate with anyone he feels can advance his best interests. It's not about Scott's politics, it's about his poor judgement.
Matt Mc
4/28/2014 07:49:04 am
I see no implication that Wolter himself is a racist nor is it mentioned anywhere in Jason's writing.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/28/2014 07:34:24 am
I am saying that ANY implication or vague hint of a notion that Scott Wolter is … a neo-"Nazi" … or a white supremacist … or a racist … is a VILE calumny … It is a LIE … It is sheer HATE speech ...
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Matt Mc
4/28/2014 08:09:14 am
No one is saying he is a racist, he is just willing to work with and for them.
Clint Knapp
4/28/2014 08:32:23 am
If you believe Jason guilty of lies, hate speech, and libel; tell your "friend and professional colleague" to sue him for it. See how that goes. If it IS hate speech, if it is nothing but lies, a court of law will rule it such.
Gunn
4/28/2014 08:13:42 am
Well, looking through the filter of Wolter's and Colavito's sullied and muddied KRS, we yearn for clarity, don't we? In this regard, I don't mind trying to understand more precisely, along with the Blog Host, why this bloody, extra mud is on the KRS. But I wish the reason for the Blog Host to expose all the possibly negative underpinnings of Wolter's personality and character were because of a noble conviction related to our dear, tarnished, stoney friend. If only Calavito's deep concerns over Wolter's mischief were rooted in protecting the image of our Dear Friend.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/28/2014 12:13:58 pm
As long as anyone continues to try to SMEAR my personal friend and professional colleague (25+) years … I will continue to rise to his defense …
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Matt Mc
4/28/2014 01:04:46 pm
But he has worked with and for them.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/28/2014 02:25:21 pm
People … are just … people …
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CHV
4/28/2014 03:29:49 pm
That's just it: people aren't always just people.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/28/2014 03:48:37 pm
ALL the more reason to know who DOES -- or does NOT -- harbor disgusting neo-"Nazi" or stupid white supremacist or dippy racialist ideas, yes … ???
Matt Mc
4/28/2014 04:17:58 pm
Phil we are sticking to the facts
Matt Mc
4/28/2014 03:48:03 pm
Again I say that I do not think that Wolter is a racist. He just has chosen ethically to work for and with one in the past.
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CHV
4/28/2014 03:59:31 pm
Phil: I did not say that Wolter was a neo-Nazi or a racist. I said that I would never allow myself to associate with such people professionally or otherwise - not for a day, not for a nanosecond.
Only Me
4/28/2014 04:06:57 pm
At this point, Matt, just quit trying to reason with Phil. He is locked into his common habit of repeating the same statement, because he has nothing further to argue. He is also violating the comment policy rule of "a single repetition of the same argument".
Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/28/2014 04:35:47 pm
WE … ALL … AGREE … then … ???
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Clint Knapp
4/28/2014 05:17:43 pm
We agreed on that before you said a word, Phil. No one ever said he was either. That was all on you. You're the one who read it that way, no one else.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/28/2014 04:47:57 pm
… and INDEED …
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Only Me
4/28/2014 06:16:17 pm
If and when Scott stops doing interviews and going on tours to promote the same fictional crap again and again, there will no longer be a need to address the issue.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/29/2014 04:36:12 am
As the old saying has it, "Imitation is a form of flattery …"
Only Me
4/29/2014 02:49:08 pm
Then it's nice Scott is flattering real scientists and academics by aping their expertise with his pseudoscience.
Varika
4/29/2014 03:39:05 pm
Getting to the meat of the article, and ignoring the trolls, I would say, it is OK to discuss the past of ANY person who has published a work, so long as what you're discussing is a matter of public record. I mean, it's wrong to go digging in their trash to find out what they had for dinner and tweet about it--there ARE such things as stalking laws, after all, and they're there for a reason. But if someone is on record as being a pedophile, or on record as being a compulsive liar, then absolutely that is okay to discuss. We discuss how JK Rowling wrote most of at least the first book in the Harry Potter series sitting in a pub, and we discuss how Rev. Dodgson was a pastor who might or might not have had an inappropriate relationship with young Alice, and we discuss who Shakespeare left his second best bed to in his will. Why is it perfectly okay to talk about these things when it's fiction, but not if it's non-fiction? Sorry, but even the most high-brow academic works--and I've had to read my fair share of those--have a brief about the people who produced the study, and if there isn't a brief, then you're supposed to put the study into a pile marked "DUBIOUS CONTENT: DISCARD." And then discard it. Why? Because part of evaluating a scholarly work is evaluating the reliability of the authors. A study about the health impact that was performed by a drilling company is inherently less reliable than a study by an independent research facility or by the CDC.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
4/29/2014 04:11:37 pm
As I have ALWAYS understood and affirmed -- ALL ideas and claims and interpretations are entirely FAIR*Game for VIGOROUS discussion and heated debate …
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Only Me
4/29/2014 04:46:42 pm
When you can find a clear example of Jason engaging in character assassination/trial by innuendo on this blog, feel free to reject it.
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Max
4/30/2014 04:00:24 pm
Of course it's fair to discuss a person's background. "It goes to determine the credibility of the witness, your Honor."
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 02:36:46 pm
Yes … "Background" and "credentials" (and actual real world EXPERIENCE) do matter …
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Only Me
5/4/2014 03:18:50 pm
Then why are you practicing the very "rotten stinking fruits" you feel have no place? You've carried over this behavior on two newer blog posts that have nothing to do with Scott or Nazis.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 03:39:58 pm
Ummmm …
Only Me
5/4/2014 04:12:08 pm
Rehashing the same false argument demonstrates the weakness of your position.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 04:44:21 pm
Exactly …
Only Me
5/4/2014 05:08:46 pm
Once again, trying to distort what was said demonstrates your accusations are baseless.
Clint Knapp
5/5/2014 02:15:35 am
Scott Wolter's credentials: Bachelor's in Geology. Cup of coffee he pretended was an Honorary Masters.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/5/2014 03:03:32 am
Many archaeological teams routinely include a geologist, who is index called upon to examine materials/artifacts made of "stone" …
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 05:18:44 pm
My sparkling gem strategy is to continue to rise to defend the character of my friend and professional colleague whenever he is unfairly attacked …
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Only Me
5/4/2014 05:28:06 pm
Your friend was never unfairly attacked.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 05:34:39 pm
Yes … He has been ...
Only Me
5/4/2014 05:39:13 pm
No, he has not.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 05:45:11 pm
LOL …
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